Was The Iraq War All About Oil?

[candycorn]

So why didnt Bush simply lift sanctions and buy oil like everyone else?

It would show weakness. He thinks war is the the first option; not the last (as long as he's not fighting it).
This is why McCain lost (partially). This is why your boy Rick Perry who wanted to go back into Iraq got laughed off the stage.

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If it were for WMDs, China has them...why didn't Bush invade China? Russia has them...why not invade Russia. Hezbollah (sp?) has--or had--thosuands of missiles and is a puppet of Iran--you remember Iran; located there on the good old "axis of evil"--but Bush didn't even give invading their hideouts and outposts a second thought.
Hezbollah wasn't a threat to our neighbor Israel? Don't tell Israel that.

Oil was the reason we were there. The only reason? Likely not. There was the political need to get something done quickly and we still had intel from the first gulf war his dad fought. There was some evidence of WMD manufacture when you tilt the prism a certain way...they had labs. But the UN said they didn't have them and history bears it out.

It would show weakness? Seriously? How old are you? So you think it was better to devote billions of dollars and thousands of lives to something rather than show weakness?

No Shirley, I was explaining Bush's "thinking" to you.

If you answer Yes you are projecting your own bad thought patterns on the president.

No, Bush projected his own bad "thoughts" onto our country, costing thousands of Americans and tens of thousands (if not hundreds of thousands) of Iraqis their lives.

Rick Perry got lauighed off the stage for suggesting what Obama is actually doing at this very minute. Irony!

Factually incorrect.

Rick Perry got laughed off the stage because he was (and is) an intellectual lightweight even as far as the GOP goes.

What your President is doing right now is in no way remotely close to what Perry and McCain wanted to do; occupy Iraq for the foreseeable future.

 

[The Rabbi]

He is a lot closer to what libertarians want than anything neo con.

You are so full of it

Full of truth, you mean.
The narcos want a foreign policy that is disengaged from the rest of the world. That's pretty much where Obama is.

 

[The Rabbi]

It would show weakness. He thinks war is the the first option; not the last (as long as he's not fighting it).
This is why McCain lost (partially). This is why your boy Rick Perry who wanted to go back into Iraq got laughed off the stage.

----

If it were for WMDs, China has them...why didn't Bush invade China? Russia has them...why not invade Russia. Hezbollah (sp?) has--or had--thosuands of missiles and is a puppet of Iran--you remember Iran; located there on the good old "axis of evil"--but Bush didn't even give invading their hideouts and outposts a second thought.
Hezbollah wasn't a threat to our neighbor Israel? Don't tell Israel that.

Oil was the reason we were there. The only reason? Likely not. There was the political need to get something done quickly and we still had intel from the first gulf war his dad fought. There was some evidence of WMD manufacture when you tilt the prism a certain way...they had labs. But the UN said they didn't have them and history bears it out.

It would show weakness? Seriously? How old are you? So you think it was better to devote billions of dollars and thousands of lives to something rather than show weakness?

No Shirley, I was explaining Bush's "thinking" to you.

If you answer Yes you are projecting your own bad thought patterns on the president.

No, Bush projected his own bad "thoughts" onto our country, costing thousands of Americans and tens of thousands (if not hundreds of thousands) of Iraqis their lives.

Rick Perry got lauighed off the stage for suggesting what Obama is actually doing at this very minute. Irony!

Factually incorrect.

Rick Perry got laughed off the stage because he was (and is) an intellectual lightweight even as far as the GOP goes.

What your President is doing right now is in no way remotely close to what Perry and McCain wanted to do; occupy Iraq for the foreseeable future.

Ansd you know what Bush was thinking how? You talk to him often? Don't make us laugh.
Had Obama listened to Perry, McCain, or Romney he wouldnt be facing the biggest humanitarian crisis of the last 20 years.

 

[candycorn]

It would show weakness? Seriously? How old are you? So you think it was better to devote billions of dollars and thousands of lives to something rather than show weakness?

No Shirley, I was explaining Bush's "thinking" to you.


No, Bush projected his own bad "thoughts" onto our country, costing thousands of Americans and tens of thousands (if not hundreds of thousands) of Iraqis their lives.

Rick Perry got lauighed off the stage for suggesting what Obama is actually doing at this very minute. Irony!

Factually incorrect.

Rick Perry got laughed off the stage because he was (and is) an intellectual lightweight even as far as the GOP goes.

What your President is doing right now is in no way remotely close to what Perry and McCain wanted to do; occupy Iraq for the foreseeable future.

Ansd you know what Bush was thinking how? You talk to him often?

Anyone watching it could tell the entire Iraqi misadventure was a vanity play by Bush and the neocons. They had nothing to do with 9/11 or supporting terror outside of the middle east. And there were no WMDs...

Save the "yes there were" nonsense. The CIA made it up, they listened to a source that admits he lied to get the US involved, and the intel experts admits that they were had and issued a burn notice for the source.

This is ground that has been covered time and again.

Don't make us laugh.

No that's your job and when you disrobe at night, I'm sure Princess has a good chuckle too.

Had Obama listened to Perry, McCain, or Romney he wouldnt be facing the biggest humanitarian crisis of the last 20 years.

Had we not gone to Iraq in the first place, we wouldn't have lost 4,000 soldiers, killed tens of thousands of Iraqis, stoked the fires of hatred that will burn for another century or two, had a president lie to the faces of Pat Tillman's grieving mom and dad, could still trust the CIA to be an honest broker instead of a tool of the politics, etc...

All of that was Bush's idea. The UN told him there was no WMDs...they were right.

 

[dilloduck]

He is a lot closer to what libertarians want than anything neo con.

You are so full of it

Full of truth, you mean.
The narcos want a foreign policy that is disengaged from the rest of the world. That's pretty much where Obama is.

: a conservative who advocates the assertive promotion of democracy and United States national interest in international affairs including through military means

Neoconservative - Definition and More from the Free Merriam-Webster Dictionary

 

[kaz]

He is a lot closer to what libertarians want than anything neo con.

You are so full of it

Full of truth, you mean.
The narcos want a foreign policy that is disengaged from the rest of the world. That's pretty much where Obama is.

Obama's like libertarians? You're beyond full of it.

 

[kaz]

You are so full of it

Full of truth, you mean.
The narcos want a foreign policy that is disengaged from the rest of the world. That's pretty much where Obama is.

: a conservative who advocates the assertive promotion of democracy and United States national interest in international affairs including through military means

Neoconservative - Definition and More from the Free Merriam-Webster Dictionary

That's only half the definition, and you didn't distinguish "neo" conservative from conservative. They are "new" conservatives, not conservatives.

The difference is they are tax and spend liberals who want to do that. Hence the "new" in new conservative.

That is why calling Laura Ingram a "neo" conservative was idiotic. She is a conservative, the traditional kind, there is nothing "new" in her conservatism.

 

[The Rabbi]

You are so full of it

Full of truth, you mean.
The narcos want a foreign policy that is disengaged from the rest of the world. That's pretty much where Obama is.

Obama's like libertarians? You're beyond full of it.

Making general assertions is really the way to demonstrate a solid mastery of facts and theory. Oh, no. It's a way to get yourself dismissed as a featherweight.

Obama's MO has been to avoid engagement, to kick the problem to some other forum, to offer minimal engagement when absolutely necessary.
That is the narco libertarian stance, at least as played by someone who has actual responsibility and not a bunch of wookie-suiters mouthing off on the internet.

 

[The Rabbi]

Full of truth, you mean.
The narcos want a foreign policy that is disengaged from the rest of the world. That's pretty much where Obama is.

: a conservative who advocates the assertive promotion of democracy and United States national interest in international affairs including through military means

Neoconservative - Definition and More from the Free Merriam-Webster Dictionary

That's only half the definition, and you didn't distinguish "neo" conservative from conservative. They are "new" conservatives, not conservatives.

The difference is they are tax and spend liberals who want to do that. Hence the "new" in new conservative.

That is why calling Laura Ingram a "neo" conservative was idiotic. She is a conservative, the traditional kind, there is nothing "new" in her conservatism.

Another bald assertion without substance. Neo-conservatives are small government types.

 

[kaz]

Full of truth, you mean.
The narcos want a foreign policy that is disengaged from the rest of the world. That's pretty much where Obama is.

Obama's like libertarians? You're beyond full of it.

Making general assertions is really the way to demonstrate a solid mastery of facts and theory. Oh, no. It's a way to get yourself dismissed as a featherweight.

Obama's MO has been to avoid engagement, to kick the problem to some other forum, to offer minimal engagement when absolutely necessary.
That is the narco libertarian stance, at least as played by someone who has actual responsibility and not a bunch of wookie-suiters mouthing off on the internet.

You mean general assumptions like saying Obama's like libertarians? You're a featherweight. Obama has used the military and been in people's shit diplomatically across the world. Your examples of his not using military where when he was getting his way already, why would he? Libertarians would not have been involved in those either militarily or telling people their business, we would have stayed out of them. You're full of crap.

 

[dilloduck]

Full of truth, you mean.
The narcos want a foreign policy that is disengaged from the rest of the world. That's pretty much where Obama is.

: a conservative who advocates the assertive promotion of democracy and United States national interest in international affairs including through military means

Neoconservative - Definition and More from the Free Merriam-Webster Dictionary

That's only half the definition, and you didn't distinguish "neo" conservative from conservative. They are "new" conservatives, not conservatives.

The difference is they are tax and spend liberals who want to do that. Hence the "new" in new conservative.

That is why calling Laura Ingram a "neo" conservative was idiotic. She is a conservative, the traditional kind, there is nothing "new" in her conservatism.

It was the only half I needed to refute Rabbis claim.

 

[kaz]

Neoconservative - Definition and More from the Free Merriam-Webster Dictionary

That's only half the definition, and you didn't distinguish "neo" conservative from conservative. They are "new" conservatives, not conservatives.

The difference is they are tax and spend liberals who want to do that. Hence the "new" in new conservative.

That is why calling Laura Ingram a "neo" conservative was idiotic. She is a conservative, the traditional kind, there is nothing "new" in her conservatism.

Another bald assertion without substance. Neo-conservatives are small government types.

Small government? Two things you don't know, what a neoconservative is or what a proximate cause is. Educate yourself, or at least stop advertising your ignorance.

 

[kaz]

Neoconservative - Definition and More from the Free Merriam-Webster Dictionary

That's only half the definition, and you didn't distinguish "neo" conservative from conservative. They are "new" conservatives, not conservatives.

The difference is they are tax and spend liberals who want to do that. Hence the "new" in new conservative.

That is why calling Laura Ingram a "neo" conservative was idiotic. She is a conservative, the traditional kind, there is nothing "new" in her conservatism.

It was the only half I needed to refute Rabbis claim.

You didn't need to use the term at all much less incorrectly to refute his claim.

 

[C_Clayton_Jones]

Was The Iraq War All About Oil?

It was about oil, it was about Bush administration officials fearful of not winning reelection in the wake of 9/11, and it was about the desire to expand the power and influence of an American presence in the Middle East.

We also know what the Iraq war wasn't about:

It wasn't about WMDs, as there were none.

It wasn't about Saddam’s ‘involvement’ in 9/11, as there was no ‘involvement.’

And it wasn't about Saddam posing a ‘threat’ to his people or neighbors, as no such ‘threat’ existed.

 

[dilloduck]

Was The Iraq War All About Oil?

It was about oil, it was about Bush administration officials fearful of not winning reelection in the wake of 9/11, and it was about the desire to expand the power and influence of an American presence in the Middle East.

We also know what the Iraq war wasn't about:

It wasn't about WMDs, as there were none.

It wasn't about Saddam’s ‘involvement’ in 9/11, as there was no ‘involvement.’

And it wasn't about Saddam posing a ‘threat’ to his people or neighbors, as no such ‘threat’ existed.

Saddam had Scuds to hit Israel and Saudi Arabia and eventually used them but American REALLY went in because Perle convinced Bush that the neocons plan of action was the way to go. Protect Israel, oil flow and expand power all with the same plan.

 

[The Rabbi]

That's only half the definition, and you didn't distinguish "neo" conservative from conservative. They are "new" conservatives, not conservatives.

The difference is they are tax and spend liberals who want to do that. Hence the "new" in new conservative.

That is why calling Laura Ingram a "neo" conservative was idiotic. She is a conservative, the traditional kind, there is nothing "new" in her conservatism.

Another bald assertion without substance. Neo-conservatives are small government types.

Small government? Two things you don't know, what a neoconservative is or what a proximate cause is. Educate yourself, or at least stop advertising your ignorance.

Bald assertions without substance, again. You're batting zero.

 

[The Rabbi]

Obama's like libertarians? You're beyond full of it.

Making general assertions is really the way to demonstrate a solid mastery of facts and theory. Oh, no. It's a way to get yourself dismissed as a featherweight.

Obama's MO has been to avoid engagement, to kick the problem to some other forum, to offer minimal engagement when absolutely necessary.
That is the narco libertarian stance, at least as played by someone who has actual responsibility and not a bunch of wookie-suiters mouthing off on the internet.

You mean general assumptions like saying Obama's like libertarians? You're a featherweight. Obama has used the military and been in people's shit diplomatically across the world. Your examples of his not using military where when he was getting his way already, why would he? Libertarians would not have been involved in those either militarily or telling people their business, we would have stayed out of them. You're full of crap.

You clearly dont understand the difference between flapping your gums on the internet and having to make decisions based on reality.
Obama had many opportunities to become involved in issues that a neocon certainly would have supported, and a libertarian certainly would have opposed. He did not become involved in those issues. Ergo he is closer to what a libertarian looks like than a neocon.

 

[The Rabbi]

Was The Iraq War All About Oil?

It was about oil, it was about Bush administration officials fearful of not winning reelection in the wake of 9/11, and it was about the desire to expand the power and influence of an American presence in the Middle East.

We also know what the Iraq war wasn't about:

It wasn't about WMDs, as there were none.

It wasn't about Saddam’s ‘involvement’ in 9/11, as there was no ‘involvement.’

And it wasn't about Saddam posing a ‘threat’ to his people or neighbors, as no such ‘threat’ existed.

Total bullshit.
For starters, Bush had just assumed office. Why would they be worried about reelection at that point?
The Saddam was part of 9/11 strawman has refuted time and time again. Go read the Iraq Resolution. Those were the reasons, valid reasons, for the war.

 

[kaz]

Making general assertions is really the way to demonstrate a solid mastery of facts and theory. Oh, no. It's a way to get yourself dismissed as a featherweight.

Obama's MO has been to avoid engagement, to kick the problem to some other forum, to offer minimal engagement when absolutely necessary.
That is the narco libertarian stance, at least as played by someone who has actual responsibility and not a bunch of wookie-suiters mouthing off on the internet.

You mean general assumptions like saying Obama's like libertarians? You're a featherweight. Obama has used the military and been in people's shit diplomatically across the world. Your examples of his not using military where when he was getting his way already, why would he? Libertarians would not have been involved in those either militarily or telling people their business, we would have stayed out of them. You're full of crap.

You clearly dont understand the difference between flapping your gums on the internet and having to make decisions based on reality.
Obama had many opportunities to become involved in issues that a neocon certainly would have supported, and a libertarian certainly would have opposed. He did not become involved in those issues. Ergo he is closer to what a libertarian looks like than a neocon.

Whatever, I'm not going to debate definitions you insist on making up for words.

 

[kaz]

It wasn't about WMDs, as there were none

Riiiiggghttttt, he used them, repeatedly, but he didn't have them. Liar. Grow a pair and debate reality.