We are a nation of laws......

[Sun Devil 92]

Roe was law in Texas.

The SCOTUS jumped in....and did what.....

After all.....we are a nation of laws.

Am I missing something, or are you really this dense?

Roe wasn't law until SCOTUS made it so. Let me know if you require further explanation.

No...there was an existing law in Texas.

There was no federal law to rule on.

It appears you miss a great deal.

 

[nat4900]

Then they came right back in!

....and here I thought that the border guards were all for backing right wingers.....Its not nice for a moron like you to claim that they don;t know how to do their jobs.

 

[BoSoxGal]

Roe was law in Texas.

The SCOTUS jumped in....and did what.....

After all.....we are a nation of laws.

Am I missing something, or are you really this dense?

Roe wasn't law until SCOTUS made it so. Let me know if you require further explanation.

No...there was an existing law in Texas.

There was no federal law to rule on.

It appears you miss a great deal.

It appears you don't understand how judicial review works.

I have a law degree; I do.

Here's a quick explanation: A state has a law, that law impacts a citizen, giving the citizen standing to challenge the law. The citizen sues in the state or federal courts, eventually through the appellate process the case makes its way to the biggest baddest court - where the buck stops - the SCOTUS. Whatever the SCOTUS decides, that ruling is binding on that state and that citizen - and in many cases, it is binding then also on EVERY state and EVERY citizen.

There are many nuances and some kinds of cases wherein the rulings are very limited, but I don't wish to confuse you. The above is basic civics you should have learned in junior high or high school.

 

[nat4900]

Actually the only thing the 9th circus proved is activist regressive judges don't give a flying fuck about the law. The law grants the president sole discretion on this. Now it's time to lobby congress to halt all immigration, refugees and student visas for at least 5 years.

I realize that you're royally pissed (dare i say "butt-hurt" as you morons like to say?)

BUT, what these courts have found is that what Trump tried to pull off is something that is UN-constitutional...period.

 

[Lakhota]

All kidding and bantering aside, the real IMPORTANCE of this 'smack down" to Trump's erratic and ill-advised policies is that he may (or not) begin to realize that running a country of laws like ours is NOT the same as running a real estate business where people who tell him he may be wrong get fired or don't get paid.

I agree. Wait until Trump sees the latest PPP polling due out tomorrow. Rachel Maddow had an exclusive on it earlier tonight. Most of the results are negative on Trump - but the most interesting part of the poll was that most Trump supporters don't believe he should abide by court decisions that don't go his way. In other words - they think Trump is above the law - and the Constitution. This is exactly the same shit we see from NaziCons each and every day on this board - including tonight.

 

[nat4900]

I agree. Wait until Trump sees the latest PPP polling due out tomorrow. Rachel Maddow had an exclusive on it earlier tonight. The most interesting part of the poll was that most Trump supporters don't believe he should abide by court decisions that don't go his way. In other words - they think Trump is above the law - and the Constitution.

....then....I believe, even main-stream republicans will turn on the Trumpster and some sane cabinet members and staffers would begin to quit.

 

[Steve_McGarrett]

Update:

www.thegatewaypundit.com/2017/02/liberal-ninth-circuit-court-overturned-average-80-time/

 

[BoSoxGal]

All kidding and bantering aside, the real IMPORTANCE of this 'smack down" to Trump's erratic and ill-advised policies is that he may (or not) begin to realize that running a country of laws like ours is NOT the same as running a real estate business where people who tell him he may be wrong get fired or don't get paid.

I agree. Wait until Trump sees the latest PPP polling due out tomorrow. Rachel Maddow had an exclusive on it earlier tonight. Most of the results are negative on Trump - but the most interesting part of the poll was that most Trump supporters don't believe he should abide by court decisions that don't go his way. In other words - they think Trump is above the law - and the Constitution. This is exactly the same shit we see from NaziCons each and every day on this board - including tonight.

That's sickening.

 

[Lakhota]

Update:

www.thegatewaypundit.com/2017/02/liberal-ninth-circuit-court-overturned-average-80-time/

Bullshit. Give us a "credible" source.

 

[OKTexas]

Actually the only thing the 9th circus proved is activist regressive judges don't give a flying fuck about the law. The law grants the president sole discretion on this. Now it's time to lobby congress to halt all immigration, refugees and student visas for at least 5 years.

I realize that you're royally pissed (dare i say "butt-hurt" as you morons like to say?)

BUT, what these courts have found is that what Trump tried to pull off is something that is UN-constitutional...period.

When the judges are determined to be wrong they should be impeached, they didn't reach their conclusion based on the law or the Constitution, it was pure politics.

 

[nat4900]

Update:

www.thegatewaypundit.com/2017/02/liberal-ninth-circuit-court-overturned-average-80-time/

My parakeet LOVES to poop on copies of the Gateway Pundit.....

 

[BoSoxGal]

The 9th is the second most overturned circuit at @ 80%, the federal circuit is the most overturned at @ 83%.

To put it in context, the average rate of reversal at the SCOTUS for all the circuits is @ 68%.

I also want to point out that the lawyering usually gets better the further up the appellate process you go, such that it's not necessarily that the circuits made poor decisions but that they were operating within the context of poor arguments. There's more to it, of course - but I assure you that most lawyers on both sides of the ideological fence are not in any way shocked by the reversal rates nor do they lack confidence in our judiciary.

 

[BoSoxGal]

Actually the only thing the 9th circus proved is activist regressive judges don't give a flying fuck about the law. The law grants the president sole discretion on this. Now it's time to lobby congress to halt all immigration, refugees and student visas for at least 5 years.

I realize that you're royally pissed (dare i say "butt-hurt" as you morons like to say?)

BUT, what these courts have found is that what Trump tried to pull off is something that is UN-constitutional...period.

When the judges are determined to be wrong they should be impeached, they didn't reach their conclusion based on the law or the Constitution, it was pure politics.

Dear Lord, you are clueless about how judicial review works in this country, aren't you?

Is this the state of civics education in this country? No wonder so many people fell for Trump.

 

[OKTexas]

Update:

www.thegatewaypundit.com/2017/02/liberal-ninth-circuit-court-overturned-average-80-time/

That's why they're called the nutty 9th or the 9th circus.

 

[Indeependent]

Actually the only thing the 9th circus proved is activist regressive judges don't give a flying fuck about the law. The law grants the president sole discretion on this. Now it's time to lobby congress to halt all immigration, refugees and student visas for at least 5 years.

I realize that you're royally pissed (dare i say "butt-hurt" as you morons like to say?)

BUT, what these courts have found is that what Trump tried to pull off is something that is UN-constitutional...period.

When the judges are determined to be wrong they should be impeached, they didn't reach their conclusion based on the law or the Constitution, it was pure politics.

Dear Lord, you are clueless about how judicial review works in this country, aren't you?

Is this the state of civics education in this country? No wonder so many people fell for Trump.

The 9th Circus passed the buck by following precedent...since no one else ever ruled on this issue, neither will they.

 

[nat4900]

When the judges are determined to be wrong they should be impeached, they didn't reach their conclusion based on the law or the Constitution, it was pure politics.

Don't insist on being a moron.....In total FOUR judges have reviews the constitutionality of Trump's overreach with his EO......TWO were staunch republicans appointed and backed by republicans ...You claim that "its all politics" is your ulcers acting up.

 

[nat4900]

The 9th is the second most overturned circuit at @ 80%, the federal circuit is the most overturned at @ 83%.

To put it in context, the average rate of reversal at the SCOTUS for all the circuits is @ 68%.

I also want to point out that the lawyering usually gets better the further up the appellate process you go, such that it's not necessarily that the circuits made poor decisions but that they were operating within the context of poor arguments. There's more to it, of course - but I assure you that most lawyers on both sides of the ideological fence are not in any way shocked by the reversal rates nor do they lack confidence in our judiciary.

If I may....and based on your legal knowledge.....what are the chances that Trump's DOJ requests an en banc hearing from the 9th?

 

[Lakhota]

Seriously, Trump should scare the shit out of all of us.

 

[BoSoxGal]

I will add that lawyers are already talking about this decision and more than not believe that it will be upheld at SCOTUS, if it ever gets there. Republican lawyers as well as Democrat and Libertarian and Independent. It's about the law, not politics. Truly.

 

[OKTexas]

Actually the only thing the 9th circus proved is activist regressive judges don't give a flying fuck about the law. The law grants the president sole discretion on this. Now it's time to lobby congress to halt all immigration, refugees and student visas for at least 5 years.

I realize that you're royally pissed (dare i say "butt-hurt" as you morons like to say?)

BUT, what these courts have found is that what Trump tried to pull off is something that is UN-constitutional...period.

When the judges are determined to be wrong they should be impeached, they didn't reach their conclusion based on the law or the Constitution, it was pure politics.

Dear Lord, you are clueless about how judicial review works in this country, aren't you?

Is this the state of civics education in this country? No wonder so many people fell for Trump.

You might want to look up the meaning of Sole Discretion.

Show me in the law where the president has to justify his decision to ANYONE, no hurry I'll wait.