We are in a Holy War ! like it or not 's its the truth !

[Pogo]

......

Well it can't mean that, since that doesn't work in the context of the content.

Atheism to religion is like silence to noise; the absence of something, not another something. Ideological entities have agendas; nonentities...... not so much. Nonexistence tends to have that noneffect. You can't very well "proselytize" when you're not in the bidness of selling anything.
Think about it.

ORs though are very much in the bidness of selling something, as is the OP here. And you can't wage a holy war without both.

Atheists are in the business of attracting comrades by trying to convince others that they are far more enlightened than the loyal parishioners and therefore worthy of joining. It's an illogical attempt to subvert that which holds myriads of people all over the world together and for the most part encourages (if not demands) civil behavior, compassion for others and an effort to respect those of common faith.

Touting the correctness of atheism is driven by insecurity. If you don't believe there is a higher being, then have it...not believing, that is. Just leave me and the billions of other believers to practice as we please. Stop the silly attacks on religious belief and the expression thereof.

Go pound sand!

Yyyyyeaaah, ummm... I haven't "tried to convince" or "attacked" anything but your specious logic.

Pound that.

 

[Carla_Danger]

We are in a Holy War ! like it or not 's its the truth !

No, we're not - the notion is idiocy.

You and others on the right are doing exactly what the terrorists want: panicking and overreacting.

I've never seen a bigger bunch of chicken shits in all my life! I guess fear sells.

It also gets them motivated to vote...

.

 

[asaratis]

many on the left will not admit or accept this but it is true ! Islam has declared war on Christians and Jews all over the world ! and it is not just the so called radicals that are waging this war ! they get much of their support and funding from so called no radical tolerant Mosque's Muslims,and Islamic countries ! we can only win by declaring war on Islam !

Back to the OP....

This is true.

Here's an article from 2002.
At War With Whom A short history of radical Islam Middle East Forum

At War With Whom?A short history of radical Islam

by Jonathan Schanzer
Doublethink
Spring 2002





……



To its credit, the Bush administration has made all the right moves so far. For the moment, radical Islam appears to be beating a retreat. But the battle is not yet won. The roots of militant Islam run deep and may take many years to eradicate. Accordingly, this country must prepare itself for future confrontations. More importantly, Americans must understand that this is not a war on terrorism. Indeed, terrorism is only a tactic. This struggle is against a radical, utopian ideology and those who carry out violence in its name.

The operative word here is eradicate!


Kill All radical Muslims...and their children!

 

[September]

The time as come to build a massive American Coliseum.

Then round up Christians and Muslims and Jews and make them fight each other to the death.

Perhaps if they come to respect each other and admit how religiously similar they are- even in worshipping the same God- might we consider setting the survivors free.

But only after they have slain all the Atheists that we managed to also round up into the Colliseum.

After this great, lengthy culling ceremony... Atheism should become a felony offense punishable by death.


​

 

[Mojo2]

many on the left will not admit or accept this but it is true ! Islam has declared war on Christians and Jews all over the world ! and it is not just the so called radicals that are waging this war ! they get much of their support and funding from so called no radicle tolerant Mosque's Muslims,and Islamic countries ! we can only win by declaring war on Islam !

The Kurds are Muslims. You're casting quite a large net here. Your attitude reminds me of the Inquisition.

What makes you think the Kurds are peaceful allies?

This?

Anyone who THANKS America these days has to be looked at with some favor.

 

[EverCurious]

Negative! The overly-sensitive atheists are "at war" with religion and the public display of religious symbols. They are insecure and seek agreement in their ridiculous posit that there is no higher being. Atheists are cry babies seeking comfort and confirmation from the general public for their unconfirmed disbelief, often depending upon sheer ridicule to convince others that religion is phony.

We have little trouble showing evidence that God exists, you atheists cannot prove that God does not exist.

Even Einstein said there must be God.

There have been numerous well known atheists that recanted on their death beds...just in case.

If atheists would just shut the fuck up and quit trying to proselytize for the cause, those people practicing various religions would respect them more. As it is, you're just a bunch of goddamned babies crying because someone else relishes something that you don't really want.

It doesn't take a brilliant mind to figure you people out.

Huh? I consider myself an Atheist. I think organized religion is nothing more than a method to control people who have an innate need to be guided.

That said, I've never once gave a shit about the display of religious symbols or who folks who want to believe in God/Gods. At most I just see folks getting fleeced by their churches, but that's their right and faith to do so.

Could you provide some basis for this claim about other atheists 'crying' cause I honestly can't say I've heard anything about this matter. Except 'maybe' the pledge of allegiance at schools, but that's a bit of a stretch cause it was my understanding the angst was actually more about that was schools suspending kids because they don't want to say it (aka kids being forced into pledging something they don't actually believe in.)

 

[Mojo2]

Of course we're in a holy war. Whether we like it or not. Muslims are in a holy war against us. By default we are dragged into a holy war with them. AS WELL as a race war within our own borders.

Race war with/against whom?

 

[Pogo]

......

Well it can't mean that, since that doesn't work in the context of the content.

Atheism to religion is like silence to noise; the absence of something, not another something. Ideological entities have agendas; nonentities...... not so much. Nonexistence tends to have that noneffect. You can't very well "proselytize" when you're not in the bidness of selling anything.
Think about it.

ORs though are very much in the bidness of selling something, as is the OP here. And you can't wage a holy war without both.

Atheists are in the business of attracting comrades by trying to convince others that they are far more enlightened than the loyal parishioners and therefore worthy of joining. It's an illogical attempt to subvert that which holds myriads of people all over the world together and for the most part encourages (if not demands) civil behavior, compassion for others and an effort to respect those of common faith.

Touting the correctness of atheism is driven by insecurity. If you don't believe there is a higher being, then have it...not believing, that is. Just leave me and the billions of other believers to practice as we please. Stop the silly attacks on religious belief and the expression thereof.

Go pound sand!

That explains why so many atheist are knocking on my door to leave their literature. Oh wait, that was the Jehovah Witness and Mormons. My bad.

Been searching all afternoon through Da Googles for evidence of atheist missionaries shipping out to bring the "good news" to the naked savages -- or standing on the corner with a bullhorn proclaiming you non-sinners are going to non-hell - or building monstrous megamedia churches to sell on late night TV - or waging a war against the nonblasphemous "fidels". Been lookin' and lookin' for where the atheists, waving their holy non-book aloft, set people to the stake or chopped off heads or invented bizarre torture devices to punish those who have nothing to do with "witchcraft".

So far --- nuttin'.

 

[Mojo2]

We are in a Holy War ! like it or not 's its the truth !

No, we're not - the notion is idiocy.

You and others on the right are doing exactly what the terrorists want: panicking and overreacting.

I've never seen a bigger bunch of chicken shits in all my life! I guess fear sells.

It also gets them motivated to vote...

.

You sound like a silly young thing.

Or are you actually a silly middle aged thing?

 

[asaratis]

......

Well it can't mean that, since that doesn't work in the context of the content.

Atheism to religion is like silence to noise; the absence of something, not another something. Ideological entities have agendas; nonentities...... not so much. Nonexistence tends to have that noneffect. You can't very well "proselytize" when you're not in the bidness of selling anything.
Think about it.

ORs though are very much in the bidness of selling something, as is the OP here. And you can't wage a holy war without both.

Atheists are in the business of attracting comrades by trying to convince others that they are far more enlightened than the loyal parishioners and therefore worthy of joining. It's an illogical attempt to subvert that which holds myriads of people all over the world together and for the most part encourages (if not demands) civil behavior, compassion for others and an effort to respect those of common faith.

Touting the correctness of atheism is driven by insecurity. If you don't believe there is a higher being, then have it...not believing, that is. Just leave me and the billions of other believers to practice as we please. Stop the silly attacks on religious belief and the expression thereof.

Go pound sand!

That explains why so many atheist are knocking on my door to leave their literature. Oh wait, that was the Jehovah Witness and Mormons. My bad.

There are substantial differences between trying to convince others that your religion is worthy of membership and trying to convince others that their god doesn't exist. The latter utilizes ridicule more than concern for the soul.

 

[Carla_Danger]

Why are these Ding Dongs talking about a holy war? Where are they hearing this nonsense? Where do they get their news?

 

[Carla_Danger]

many on the left will not admit or accept this but it is true ! Islam has declared war on Christians and Jews all over the world ! and it is not just the so called radicals that are waging this war ! they get much of their support and funding from so called no radical tolerant Mosque's Muslims,and Islamic countries ! we can only win by declaring war on Islam !

Back to the OP....

This is true.

Here's an article from 2002.
At War With Whom A short history of radical Islam Middle East Forum

At War With Whom?A short history of radical Islam

by Jonathan Schanzer
Doublethink
Spring 2002





……



To its credit, the Bush administration has made all the right moves so far. For the moment, radical Islam appears to be beating a retreat. But the battle is not yet won. The roots of militant Islam run deep and may take many years to eradicate. Accordingly, this country must prepare itself for future confrontations. More importantly, Americans must understand that this is not a war on terrorism. Indeed, terrorism is only a tactic. This struggle is against a radical, utopian ideology and those who carry out violence in its name.

The operative word here is eradicate!


Kill All radical Muslims...and their children!

Oh goody, another nutty keyboard warrior.

.

 

[asaratis]

Negative! The overly-sensitive atheists are "at war" with religion and the public display of religious symbols. They are insecure and seek agreement in their ridiculous posit that there is no higher being. Atheists are cry babies seeking comfort and confirmation from the general public for their unconfirmed disbelief, often depending upon sheer ridicule to convince others that religion is phony.

We have little trouble showing evidence that God exists, you atheists cannot prove that God does not exist.

Even Einstein said there must be God.

There have been numerous well known atheists that recanted on their death beds...just in case.

If atheists would just shut the fuck up and quit trying to proselytize for the cause, those people practicing various religions would respect them more. As it is, you're just a bunch of goddamned babies crying because someone else relishes something that you don't really want.

It doesn't take a brilliant mind to figure you people out.

Huh? I consider myself an Atheist. I think organized religion is nothing more than a method to control people who have an innate need to be guided.

That said, I've never once gave a shit about the display of religious symbols or who folks who want to believe in God/Gods. At most I just see folks getting fleeced by their churches, but that's their right and faith to do so.

Could you provide some basis for this claim about other atheists 'crying' cause I honestly can't say I've heard anything about this matter. Except 'maybe' the pledge of allegiance at schools, but that's a bit of a stretch cause it was my understanding the angst was actually more about that was schools suspending kids because they don't want to say it (aka kids being forced into pledging something they don't actually believe in.)

A bell shaped curve can be applied to any large sample...concerning any one characteristic of objects being sampled. That you are not among the cry babies within the sampling of atheists does not mean they do not exist.

You seem able to live and let live.

Here is just one example of those whom I consider cry babies...insecure proponents of atheism.

Rules for Atheist Radicals - Ideas Tactics for Atheist Activism Politics - Saul Alinsky s Rules for Radicals Can Teach a lot to Atheist Activists

....

6. Use Ridicule and Mockery
"Ridicule is man's most potent weapon."
The tactic that people seem to complain most about is also one that can be most effective... if used well. First, satirists have known for centuries that humor, satire, and mockery can cut through a lot of BS and reveal truths that would otherwise be covered over by needlessly complex arguments. Getting your message across quickly and simply counts for a lot. Second, the more you encourage people to laugh derisively at some organization or institution, the less they will take it seriously. This will reduce that group's social, political, and cultural power over time. Third, it's difficult to effectively counter ridicule. It's not amenable to logical counter-arguments. Finally, ridicule might make your opponent lose their cool, scoring you sympathy points in the court of public opinion. Key in all of this, though, is that the ridicule be done well. Poorly executed, it will backfire (and that's admittedly a risk even under the best of circumstances).

....

Read the whole article.

Any claim that there is no organized war on religion being waged by atheists can be easily debunked.

Common tactics and goals of atheism Sun Shield

Common tactics and goals of atheism
August 15, 2012 / Harry A. Gaylord

It’s good for us to know some basic atheist tactics and goals to prepare ourselves in the war they rage against us. Here are a few:

♦ Lie & deny. In July, Janet Parshall spoke with William Murray, son of the late atheist Madelyn Murray O’hair who is now a Christian. In that broadcast, Murray said his mom taught him growing up that it was okay to lie whenever a lie served to further their atheist cause. So never assume an atheist is truthful. When they claim “we can be good without God,” they just lied, so they’re not really good. When they deny that murderers like Mao Tsetung, Pol Pot, and Josef Stalin killed as a result of their atheism, this is one of their favorite lies.

♦ Wherever Christians gather, invade their camp and attack. This is done because they want to weaken churches to the point of winning converts and to totally wipe Christianity from the earth. I prefer to call it the “misery loves company” tactic since atheists are really miserable inside. You will find atheists attending church and bombarding Christian websites with comments based on this mentality.

♦ Pretend to be Christians. This is used to further the tactic mentioned above. They are wolves in sheep’s clothing who gather at Christian assemblies to learn the proper religious language and sometimes seek leadership roles. They pretend to be nice, sweet, and caring before they move in with the goal of causing divisions and doubts, like the claim that the Bible never speaks against homosexuality. Incidentally, new agers, witches, and freemasons use these same tactics. I’ll tell you why they are so similar in my next post. The gay rights movement, socialism, and atheism all go hand-in-hand when promoted in church and society.

♦ Quote scripture out of context. Since most Christians are Biblically illiterate and atheists know this, they see misquoting the Bible as an easy way to dupe Christians into doubting because they think of themselves as superior to Christians in every way. This is why they say the Bible has contradictions and call God a “psychopathic” murderer. Additionally, Satan has blinded their minds to recognizing truth.

♦ Rid the educational system and public forums of everything resembling the God of the Bible. This is done to convert young minds to their way of thinking so they can rid society of everything that places boundaries on what they desire to do. Christianity resists their sinful wishes so they want to kill it off.

♦ Toss out all laws regarding sex and sexuality. This is what I learned from an atheist gay rights professor I had in college. He felt that everyone should be free to have sex with whatever and whoever they wanted, whether animal, child, married adult, or unmarried adult of either gender. On the one hand, he argued science and human advances did away with the need for religion, while on the other hand he wanted society to practice barbaric, debauched, corrupt ways of less advanced ancient civilizations. That’s what many atheists want and if they claim differently, refer to my first point above.

♦ Misrepresent extra-biblical facts that prove the Bible true. There is a lot of scientific, historical, and spiritual proof (including miraculous healings and accounts like the book “Heaven is for Real”) that backs what the Bible says. When presented with the facts, atheists will argue against them and try to tear them down any way they can. Don’t let them get away with it. Stand firm on those facts because they have been verified by even non-Christian experts who are most likely more educated than the atheist. Therefore, their disputing such facts, if anything, shows they are full of themselves. If they are full of themselves, how can they really be good, like they say they are?

 

[Carla_Danger]

......

Well it can't mean that, since that doesn't work in the context of the content.

Atheism to religion is like silence to noise; the absence of something, not another something. Ideological entities have agendas; nonentities...... not so much. Nonexistence tends to have that noneffect. You can't very well "proselytize" when you're not in the bidness of selling anything.
Think about it.

ORs though are very much in the bidness of selling something, as is the OP here. And you can't wage a holy war without both.

Atheists are in the business of attracting comrades by trying to convince others that they are far more enlightened than the loyal parishioners and therefore worthy of joining. It's an illogical attempt to subvert that which holds myriads of people all over the world together and for the most part encourages (if not demands) civil behavior, compassion for others and an effort to respect those of common faith.

Touting the correctness of atheism is driven by insecurity. If you don't believe there is a higher being, then have it...not believing, that is. Just leave me and the billions of other believers to practice as we please. Stop the silly attacks on religious belief and the expression thereof.

Go pound sand!

That explains why so many atheist are knocking on my door to leave their literature. Oh wait, that was the Jehovah Witness and Mormons. My bad.

Been searching all afternoon through Da Googles for evidence of atheist missionaries shipping out to bring the "good news" to the naked savages -- or standing on the corner with a bullhorn proclaiming you non-sinners are going to non-hell - or building monstrous megamedia churches to sell on late night TV - or waging a war against the nonblasphemous "fidels". Been lookin' and lookin' for where the atheists, waving their holy non-book aloft, set people to the stake or chopped off heads or invented bizarre torture devices to punish those who have nothing to do with "witchcraft".

So far --- nuttin'.

Nope, and you won't see them on TV begging for money either.

 

[EverCurious]

A bell shaped curve can be applied to any large sample...concerning any one characteristic of objects being sampled. That you are not among the cry babies within the sampling of atheists does not mean they do not exist.

You seem able to live and let live.

Here is just one example of those whom I consider cry babies...insecure proponents of atheism.

Rules for Atheist Radicals - Ideas Tactics for Atheist Activism Politics - Saul Alinsky s Rules for Radicals Can Teach a lot to Atheist Activists

Wait, wait, wait... Did you really just argue bell curve application then provide the opinion of one atheists opinion on how to be a radical?

 

[asaratis]

A bell shaped curve can be applied to any large sample...concerning any one characteristic of objects being sampled. That you are not among the cry babies within the sampling of atheists does not mean they do not exist.

You seem able to live and let live.

Here is just one example of those whom I consider cry babies...insecure proponents of atheism.

Rules for Atheist Radicals - Ideas Tactics for Atheist Activism Politics - Saul Alinsky s Rules for Radicals Can Teach a lot to Atheist Activists

Wait, wait, wait... Did you really just argue bell curve application then provide the opinion of one atheists opinion on how to be a radical?

Apparently, you do not understand the concept of bell shaped curves. The cited opinion of a leader among atheists shows that there are atheists that do not share the live-and-let live philosophy espoused by yourself. You appeared to be on the opposite side of the bell shaped curve that applies to the degree to which atheists promote their beliefs. That is all.

 

[Genevieve]

many on the left will not admit or accept this but it is true ! Islam has declared war on Christians and Jews all over the world ! and it is not just the so called radicals that are waging this war ! they get much of their support and funding from so called no radicle tolerant Mosque's Muslims,and Islamic countries ! we can only win by declaring war on Islam !

It doesn't matter who or how many times it is said that we are not in a Holy War........
We are in one.
No doubt here.

 

[hazlnut]

many on the left will not admit or accept this but it is true ! Islam has declared war on Christians and Jews all over the world ! and it is not just the so called radicals that are waging this war ! they get much of their support and funding from so called no radicle tolerant Mosque's Muslims,and Islamic countries ! we can only win by declaring war on Islam !

Move this shit to conspiracy theory.

There is no Holy War. We are a Nation of many religious and spiritual beliefs.

Our way of life is periodically attacked by both Muslim and Christian extremists (Tea Party.)

 

[EverCurious]

Apparently, you do not understand the concept of bell shaped curves. The cited opinion of a leader among atheists shows that there are atheists that do not share the live and let live philosophy espoused by yourself. You appeared to be on the opposite side of the bell shaped curve that applies to the degree to which atheists promote their beliefs. That is all.

Right, but your argument relied on the other extreme end of the bell curve, not the majority. If you can summarily dismiss my live and let live view as not applicable because of the bell curve, then you should also dismiss the other far end of it (the radical view)

 

[C_Clayton_Jones]

asaratis said: ↑

Apparently, you do not understand the concept of bell shaped curves. The cited opinion of a leader among atheists shows that there are atheists that do not share the live and let live philosophy espoused by yourself. You appeared to be on the opposite side of the bell shaped curve that applies to the degree to which atheists promote their beliefs. That is all.

Apparently you don't understand what a hasty generalization fallacy is, your 'argument' is an example of one, and it fails accordingly.