We Have No Business in Syria

[Marion Morrison]

Tell me, what did Saddam and Gaddafi have in common?

US accusations of using chemical weapons prior to being assassinated, perhaps?

Yes, I am on who knows.

 

[Muhammed]

If AQ is in Syria then it's our business.

 

[KeiserC]

While what happened to those people in Syria is tragic, it is not our fight and never has been. Nowhere in the Constitution does it say our military is to be used as the guardian of the planet and a lot of people in this country are getting sick of it. Aside from Afghanistan, we haven't fought one war in the defense of our nation since WWII. Every other war we have entered into has been a choice to fight someone else's and countless lives have been lost over the years.

Furthermore, we have been interfering in the affairs of the Middle East for over 70 years and all we've done is make things worse. We are responsible for the rise of Khomeini in Iran. We are responsible for the existence of ISIS in Iraq and we will be responsible for which ever radical Muslim extremist takes over Syria if we depose Assad. These people have been slaughtering each other for 5,000 years and we aren't going to change it. All we have had done is made ourselves a terrorist target and watched our civil liberties and Constitutional rights erode as a result.

You have abdicated your responsibility to humanity.

I hope that makes you ever so proud.

Disagreed since there is nothing to stop you from personally participating in programs to help refugees, including sitting on your ass and just sending the Red Cross money.

OTOH, the Constitution of the United States of America clearly delineates the powers of our government. Being the "World Police" or the "World Charity" isn't among those powers. If it is, please quote me where: Constitution of the United States - We the People

If sending $5 to the Red Cross helps erase the memory of those children, then I would suggest you have no humanity at all.

If you believe that helping refugees or donating money to the Red Cross will stop the horrific attacks, then I would suggest you have no historical sense at all.

As for your nonsensical "it ain't in the Constitution" argument, it is apparent you have no useful education at all.

Your self aggrandizement, provincialism, and self-inflicted elitism sicken me. Do you seriously believe that, by some divine right, you are the rightful heir of freedom and others are not? Do you honestly think that you have no moral responsibility to assist your fellow man to gain what you have been gifted by the blood of others? By what measure do you believe you have the right to self determination and self fulfillment while actively denying it to others? What level of humanity allows you to look at the atrocities of the world and say "It's not my problem."? Why do you believe you were gifted with special privileges that others shouldn't be?

Oh, yes - the Constitution! I see in Article 1, Section 8, that the government shall "... provide for the common Defence and general Welfare of the United States ...".

Are you so naive as to believe that an uprising focused on the overthrow, and elimination, of the United States does NOT require a focused governmental reaction? Do you seriously believe that allowing radical Islam to take over the rest of the world would NOT constitute a threat to our general welfare? Do you seriously believe that the United States can isolate itself from all world activities? Do you seriously believe that the United States should NOT attempt to influence world evolution so as to place the United States in a safer and most advantageous position? Do you seriously believe ensuring that you have one more latte grande a week justifies the deaths of women and children at the hands of monsters and tyrants?

You are so inebriated off of the fumes of entitlement, welfare state, utopian ideology that I don't even want to wade in to sober you up at this point.... Quick tips though "donations" are a lot different that taxes and equating buying a latte with overtly condemning another to die for lack of $4.75 worth of medicine is a little far fetched... sleep off that stupor of sanctimony....

Struggling with that moral dilemma, huh? A kid's life or a latte grande.

You probably don't even realize how deleterious your words are to your cause... A shame because it is a commendable cause!!!

 

[Doc1]

If AQ is in Syria then it's our business.

AQ and ISIS are a large part of the "rebels" we are purporting to "support".

 

[KeiserC]

Tell me, what did Saddam and Gaddafi have in common?

Dead kids.

Nope, they were trying to change the way they bought and sold oil. The REALLY bad news is this, so are China, Russia and N. Korea.

Probably time we became a little more self sufficient...

 

[Spare_change]

While what happened to those people in Syria is tragic, it is not our fight and never has been. Nowhere in the Constitution does it say our military is to be used as the guardian of the planet and a lot of people in this country are getting sick of it. Aside from Afghanistan, we haven't fought one war in the defense of our nation since WWII. Every other war we have entered into has been a choice to fight someone else's and countless lives have been lost over the years.

Furthermore, we have been interfering in the affairs of the Middle East for over 70 years and all we've done is make things worse. We are responsible for the rise of Khomeini in Iran. We are responsible for the existence of ISIS in Iraq and we will be responsible for which ever radical Muslim extremist takes over Syria if we depose Assad. These people have been slaughtering each other for 5,000 years and we aren't going to change it. All we have had done is made ourselves a terrorist target and watched our civil liberties and Constitutional rights erode as a result.

You have abdicated your responsibility to humanity.

I hope that makes you ever so proud.

We won't feed the poor in our own nation but we can afford $110 million to fire 59 Tomahawk Missiles at an airport? Tomahawk (missile) - Wikipedia

Each Missile cost $1.85 million.

Tell me again about this dedication to humanity. I need a good laugh.

What self-serving bullshit. You want to degrade the value of those children to dollars and cents? Seriously?

You dare to compare the plight of our poor (with all the concordant social programs available to them) with being gassed to death? You compare a single mother having to work three jobs to feed her kids to watching the baby in your arms die an agonizing and horrific death?

"Congress allocated almost $717 billion in federal funds in 2010 plus $210 billion was allocated in state funds ($927 billion total) for means tested welfare programs in the United States, of which half was for medical care and roughly 40% for cash, food and housing assistance. " Social programs in the United States - Wikipedia

That's $1 trillion for our kids, and you begrudge 1% of that for Syrian children? Does it get any more inhumane than that?

At what point is it too expensive to feed our poor? At what point is it too expensive to protect them? Why are those Syrian children less deserving than ours?

I see you brought God into this... Mark 14:7 and Mathew 26:11 etc. etc. There always has been, is, and will be poor and suffering among us... It is out of the goodness of God's grace in OUR lives that He leads us to reach out to those in need for His name sake... This means on an individual level NOT by mandating that your friends, family, countrymen or other nations do likewise... The only Biblical mandate above and beyond this is that we are to "render onto Cesar what is Caesar's" meaning pay your damn taxes... Orchestrating how others use their resources is none of your business unless they specifically ask you to do so...

How convenient of you to intentionally misinterpret the Bible so you can pretend to hide behind it.

Are you seriously suggesting that God is opposed to collective charity? I suppose that means that Catholic Charities is doing the devil's work, huh? Maybe all those who support the Ecumenical Charities are going to Hell, too?

Read and heed your own words ... "It is out of the goodness of God's grace in OUR lives that He leads us to reach out to those in need".

Frankly, if you are looking for some weak-ass excuse to avoid your responsibility to humanity, this is as good as any. Just beware the price.

 

[Spare_change]

Tell me, what did Saddam and Gaddafi have in common?

Dead kids.

Nope, they were trying to change the way they bought and sold oil. The REALLY bad news is this, so are China, Russia and N. Korea.

No dead kids? That's interesting ...

China, Russia, and N Korea are trying too?

And, we have those who propose that to involve ourselves in that process is NOT in the interest of our general welfare? Seriously? Reality has fled the building, cloaked in selfishness and inhumanity.

 

[Godboy]

While what happened to those people in Syria is tragic, it is not our fight and never has been. Nowhere in the Constitution does it say our military is to be used as the guardian of the planet and a lot of people in this country are getting sick of it. Aside from Afghanistan, we haven't fought one war in the defense of our nation since WWII. Every other war we have entered into has been a choice to fight someone else's and countless lives have been lost over the years.

Furthermore, we have been interfering in the affairs of the Middle East for over 70 years and all we've done is make things worse. We are responsible for the rise of Khomeini in Iran. We are responsible for the existence of ISIS in Iraq and we will be responsible for which ever radical Muslim extremist takes over Syria if we depose Assad. These people have been slaughtering each other for 5,000 years and we aren't going to change it. All we have had done is made ourselves a terrorist target and watched our civil liberties and Constitutional rights erode as a result.

The other day I saw a kid getting snatched off the street. He was SCREAMING at the top of his lungs, "HELP ME, HELP ME". The guy who snatched him started putting him in the van, but it was a struggle. I thought about helping the kid out, but I decided that it wasn't any of my business so I just went and got something to eat instead. I mean who am i to interfere? It wasnt my fight.

 

[KeiserC]

While what happened to those people in Syria is tragic, it is not our fight and never has been. Nowhere in the Constitution does it say our military is to be used as the guardian of the planet and a lot of people in this country are getting sick of it. Aside from Afghanistan, we haven't fought one war in the defense of our nation since WWII. Every other war we have entered into has been a choice to fight someone else's and countless lives have been lost over the years.

Furthermore, we have been interfering in the affairs of the Middle East for over 70 years and all we've done is make things worse. We are responsible for the rise of Khomeini in Iran. We are responsible for the existence of ISIS in Iraq and we will be responsible for which ever radical Muslim extremist takes over Syria if we depose Assad. These people have been slaughtering each other for 5,000 years and we aren't going to change it. All we have had done is made ourselves a terrorist target and watched our civil liberties and Constitutional rights erode as a result.

You have abdicated your responsibility to humanity.

I hope that makes you ever so proud.

We won't feed the poor in our own nation but we can afford $110 million to fire 59 Tomahawk Missiles at an airport? Tomahawk (missile) - Wikipedia

Each Missile cost $1.85 million.

Tell me again about this dedication to humanity. I need a good laugh.

What self-serving bullshit. You want to degrade the value of those children to dollars and cents? Seriously?

You dare to compare the plight of our poor (with all the concordant social programs available to them) with being gassed to death? You compare a single mother having to work three jobs to feed her kids to watching the baby in your arms die an agonizing and horrific death?

"Congress allocated almost $717 billion in federal funds in 2010 plus $210 billion was allocated in state funds ($927 billion total) for means tested welfare programs in the United States, of which half was for medical care and roughly 40% for cash, food and housing assistance. " Social programs in the United States - Wikipedia

That's $1 trillion for our kids, and you begrudge 1% of that for Syrian children? Does it get any more inhumane than that?

At what point is it too expensive to feed our poor? At what point is it too expensive to protect them? Why are those Syrian children less deserving than ours?

I see you brought God into this... Mark 14:7 and Mathew 26:11 etc. etc. There always has been, is, and will be poor and suffering among us... It is out of the goodness of God's grace in OUR lives that He leads us to reach out to those in need for His name sake... This means on an individual level NOT by mandating that your friends, family, countrymen or other nations do likewise... The only Biblical mandate above and beyond this is that we are to "render onto Cesar what is Caesar's" meaning pay your damn taxes... Orchestrating how others use their resources is none of your business unless they specifically ask you to do so...

How convenient of you to intentionally misinterpret the Bible so you can pretend to hide behind it.

Are you seriously suggesting that God is opposed to collective charity? I suppose that means that Catholic Charities is doing the devil's work, huh? Maybe all those who support the Ecumenical Charities are going to Hell, too?

Read and heed your own words ... "It is out of the goodness of God's grace in OUR lives that He leads us to reach out to those in need".

Frankly, if you are looking for some weak-ass excuse to avoid your responsibility to humanity, this is as good as any. Just beware the price.

You're making my point for me by using the words "collective charity" i.e. individuals take it upon themselves to give of what they have... (Charity is the key word here)... "not take it upon themselves to give of what others have"... It's an important individual choice one that you seem to be inserting yourself into!

 

[Markle]

no, I did think about it. There's nothing there that is worth one American life.

Specifically, why do you want more barbaric dictators to use chemical weapons, as horrid as the Sarin gas in their countries or against other countries?

 

[Doc1]

Tell me, what did Saddam and Gaddafi have in common?

Dead kids.

Nope, they were trying to change the way they bought and sold oil. The REALLY bad news is this, so are China, Russia and N. Korea.

No dead kids? That's interesting ...

China, Russia, and N Korea are trying too?

And, we have those who propose that to involve ourselves in that process is NOT in the interest of our general welfare? Seriously? Reality has fled the building, cloaked in selfishness and inhumanity.

"Dead Kids" weren't the reason, they never are. They are nothing more than a pretext. You are operating under a paradigm that unfortunately isn't real. I don't blame you though, I really don't. Very few people ever wake up to the truth.

 

[eagle1462010]

From the archives: What a sarin gas attack looks like

Watch the video and decide if military action was a proper response. Sarin gas is banned for a good reason........it is a horrible way to die...........so the strike was to send a message to not use them again.............

 

[P F Tinmore]

 

[boedicca]

The U.S.' business in Syria > Assad's business to exterminate people with Chemical Weapons

 

[Markle]

What's more preplexing is that there is no evidence... no reason... no nothing.

 

[Spare_change]

You have abdicated your responsibility to humanity.

I hope that makes you ever so proud.

We won't feed the poor in our own nation but we can afford $110 million to fire 59 Tomahawk Missiles at an airport? Tomahawk (missile) - Wikipedia

Each Missile cost $1.85 million.

Tell me again about this dedication to humanity. I need a good laugh.

What self-serving bullshit. You want to degrade the value of those children to dollars and cents? Seriously?

You dare to compare the plight of our poor (with all the concordant social programs available to them) with being gassed to death? You compare a single mother having to work three jobs to feed her kids to watching the baby in your arms die an agonizing and horrific death?

"Congress allocated almost $717 billion in federal funds in 2010 plus $210 billion was allocated in state funds ($927 billion total) for means tested welfare programs in the United States, of which half was for medical care and roughly 40% for cash, food and housing assistance. " Social programs in the United States - Wikipedia

That's $1 trillion for our kids, and you begrudge 1% of that for Syrian children? Does it get any more inhumane than that?

At what point is it too expensive to feed our poor? At what point is it too expensive to protect them? Why are those Syrian children less deserving than ours?

I see you brought God into this... Mark 14:7 and Mathew 26:11 etc. etc. There always has been, is, and will be poor and suffering among us... It is out of the goodness of God's grace in OUR lives that He leads us to reach out to those in need for His name sake... This means on an individual level NOT by mandating that your friends, family, countrymen or other nations do likewise... The only Biblical mandate above and beyond this is that we are to "render onto Cesar what is Caesar's" meaning pay your damn taxes... Orchestrating how others use their resources is none of your business unless they specifically ask you to do so...

How convenient of you to intentionally misinterpret the Bible so you can pretend to hide behind it.

Are you seriously suggesting that God is opposed to collective charity? I suppose that means that Catholic Charities is doing the devil's work, huh? Maybe all those who support the Ecumenical Charities are going to Hell, too?

Read and heed your own words ... "It is out of the goodness of God's grace in OUR lives that He leads us to reach out to those in need".

Frankly, if you are looking for some weak-ass excuse to avoid your responsibility to humanity, this is as good as any. Just beware the price.

You're making my point for me by using the words "collective charity" i.e. individuals take it upon themselves to give of what they have... (Charity is the key word here)... "not take it upon themselves to give of what others have"... It's an important individual choice one that you seem to be inserting yourself into!

Whatever it takes to help you sleep at night ... while little kids die horrifying deaths at the hands of despots and tyrants.

Sleep well.

 

[KeiserC]

Tell me, what did Saddam and Gaddafi have in common?

Dead kids.

Nope, they were trying to change the way they bought and sold oil. The REALLY bad news is this, so are China, Russia and N. Korea.

No dead kids? That's interesting ...

China, Russia, and N Korea are trying too?

And, we have those who propose that to involve ourselves in that process is NOT in the interest of our general welfare? Seriously? Reality has fled the building, cloaked in selfishness and inhumanity.

"Dead Kids" weren't the reason, they never are. They are nothing more than a pretext. You are operating under a paradigm that unfortunately isn't real. I don't blame you though, I really don't. Very few people ever wake up to the truth.

Seems to me like the opportune 'false flag' excuse to send the message how they wanted to send it and incidentally perfect timing with Xi sitting with Trump while the Tomahawks were in the air....

 

[Spare_change]

Tell me, what did Saddam and Gaddafi have in common?

Dead kids.

Nope, they were trying to change the way they bought and sold oil. The REALLY bad news is this, so are China, Russia and N. Korea.

No dead kids? That's interesting ...

China, Russia, and N Korea are trying too?

And, we have those who propose that to involve ourselves in that process is NOT in the interest of our general welfare? Seriously? Reality has fled the building, cloaked in selfishness and inhumanity.

"Dead Kids" weren't the reason, they never are. They are nothing more than a pretext. You are operating under a paradigm that unfortunately isn't real. I don't blame you though, I really don't. Very few people ever wake up to the truth.

Got some news for you ... I WALKED in that fuckin' truth. Don't even pretend I don't understand it.

 

[Marion Morrison]

You should be hunted down and executed for spreading propaganda.

If anyone messed those children up, it was AL-Nusra, ISIS, or Syrian rebels. Shit like this pisses me off.

It's not like I've never shot a Banty in the neck @ 100 yards. Your post is bullshit, and I'm calling it the bullshit that it is.

 

[eagle1462010]

Thinking that this will end through diplomacy is the ranting of an idiot. The decision to hit the Assad military was in direct response to the use of chemical weapons which are banned in the international community. Nothing more and nothing less.

A message to Assad..........don't fing do it again.............Gunboat diplomacy.........to avoid more use of a nerve agent that causes those exposed a horrible death.