What is moral truth and who gets to decide what it is?

[Mikeoxenormous]

there is two things we live in, on, by and around and that is love - everyone wants love and with it comes certainbehaviors that keep it or make it go away

To those on the right, we all want to feel loved. To those on the left, this is what they feel.

How to spot a sociopath - 10 red flags that could save you from being swept under the influence of a charismatic nut job

#7) Sociopaths are incapable of love and are entirely self-serving. They may feign love or compassion in order to get what they want, but they don't actually FEEL love in the way that you or I do.

Why Bill Clinton, Anthony Weiner, Harvey Weinstein and the liberal Hollywood elites cheat on their spouses.

#3) Sociopaths are incapable of feeling shame, guilt or remorse.

Their brains simply lack the circuitry to process such emotions. This allows them to betray people, threaten people or harm people without giving it a second thought. They pursue any action that serves their own self interest even if it seriously harms others.

Which is why 4 US citizens were left to die by Al Qaeda, and why women get raped by Bill Clinton and Harvey Weinstein. The liberals on this board, many fall into both categories, but there are a few who are so misguided, they just don't know better...

 

[daisiesRwild]

there is two things we live in, on, by and around and that is love - everyone wants love and with it comes certainbehaviors that keep it or make it go away

To those on the right, we all want to feel loved. To those on the left, this is what they feel.

How to spot a sociopath - 10 red flags that could save you from being swept under the influence of a charismatic nut job

#7) Sociopaths are incapable of love and are entirely self-serving. They may feign love or compassion in order to get what they want, but they don't actually FEEL love in the way that you or I do.

Why Bill Clinton, Anthony Weiner, Harvey Weinstein and the liberal Hollywood elites cheat on their spouses.

#3) Sociopaths are incapable of feeling shame, guilt or remorse.

Their brains simply lack the circuitry to process such emotions. This allows them to betray people, threaten people or harm people without giving it a second thought. They pursue any action that serves their own self interest even if it seriously harms others.

Which is why 4 US citizens were left to die by Al Qaeda, and why women get raped by Bill Clinton and Harvey Weinstein. The liberals on this board, many fall into both categories, but there are a few who are so misguided, they just don't know better...

well put and that is the oppostie of love for sure

 

[daisiesRwild]

there is two things we live in, on, by and around and that is love - everyone wants love and with it comes certainbehaviors that keep it or make it go away

You mean unconditional love..

i believe i do ty

 

[Mikeoxenormous]

there is two things we live in, on, by and around and that is love - everyone wants love and with it comes certainbehaviors that keep it or make it go away

You mean unconditional love..

i believe i do ty

Something Moonglow and every other liberal will never feel. They don't have the intellectual ability to feel LOVE, because when they were born, they hated their parents, but most of all themselves. That is why they are such miserable wretches, and worse, hate US for our love, and do whatever they can to FORCE their immoral ways upon US yet we still can love.. That really pisses them off when their hatred doesn't work.

 

[daisiesRwild]

there is two things we live in, on, by and around and that is love - everyone wants love and with it comes certainbehaviors that keep it or make it go away

You mean unconditional love..

i believe i do ty

Something Moonglow and every other liberal will never feel. They don't have the intellectual ability to feel LOVE, because when they were born, they hated their parents, but most of all themselves. That is why they are such miserable wretches, and worse, hate US for our love, and do whatever they can to FORCE their immoral ways upon US yet we still can love.. That really pisses them off when their hatred doesn't work.

sp true it is sad really that they have fallen right into satans trap yet think they have not

 

[BS Filter]

Since we will all be judged by the One True Living God, only He has the right to determine what is Truth.

 

[BS Filter]

there is two things we live in, on, by and around and that is love - everyone wants love and with it comes certainbehaviors that keep it or make it go away

You mean unconditional love..

i believe i do ty

Something Moonglow and every other liberal will never feel. They don't have the intellectual ability to feel LOVE, because when they were born, they hated their parents, but most of all themselves. That is why they are such miserable wretches, and worse, hate US for our love, and do whatever they can to FORCE their immoral ways upon US yet we still can love.. That really pisses them off when their hatred doesn't work.

It's an old cliché, but so true....."Misery loves company". That's the only love they know.

 

[daisiesRwild]

there is two things we live in, on, by and around and that is love - everyone wants love and with it comes certainbehaviors that keep it or make it go away

You mean unconditional love..

i believe i do ty

Something Moonglow and every other liberal will never feel. They don't have the intellectual ability to feel LOVE, because when they were born, they hated their parents, but most of all themselves. That is why they are such miserable wretches, and worse, hate US for our love, and do whatever they can to FORCE their immoral ways upon US yet we still can love.. That really pisses them off when their hatred doesn't work.

It's an old cliché, but so true....."Misery loves company". That's the only love they know.

i like your tagline btw

 

[Moonglow]

there is two things we live in, on, by and around and that is love - everyone wants love and with it comes certainbehaviors that keep it or make it go away

You mean unconditional love..

i believe i do ty

Something Moonglow and every other liberal will never feel. They don't have the intellectual ability to feel LOVE, because when they were born, they hated their parents, but most of all themselves. That is why they are such miserable wretches, and worse, hate US for our love, and do whatever they can to FORCE their immoral ways upon US yet we still can love.. That really pisses them off when their hatred doesn't work.

you heartless bastard you're the one corrupted with love of money...

 

[Mikeoxenormous]

there is two things we live in, on, by and around and that is love - everyone wants love and with it comes certainbehaviors that keep it or make it go away

You mean unconditional love..

i believe i do ty

Something Moonglow and every other liberal will never feel. They don't have the intellectual ability to feel LOVE, because when they were born, they hated their parents, but most of all themselves. That is why they are such miserable wretches, and worse, hate US for our love, and do whatever they can to FORCE their immoral ways upon US yet we still can love.. That really pisses them off when their hatred doesn't work.

you heartless bastard you're the one corrupted with love of money...

Heartless bastards don't keep the blacks and latinos enslaved to the government. If you don't belong in this country, whether European, Asian, African or Hispanic, get the fuck out and take our Anchors with you. Get in the back of the line and apply for citizenship like the law abiding people do. Take the liberal moonglow with you, as the fucker has more liberal compassion for criminals than he does for his own citizens. Shame on you tard, it is people like you who make me hate people like you.

 

[ding]

"Moral truth" is a construct of human thought and language. Any individual decides, though usually the choice(s) of his/her society are docilely accepted.

I disagree. Moral truth is a construct of nature. The moral law is written into the hearts of men. We did not put it there and we can not get rid of it. When we violate it, rather than abandoning it, we rationalize that we didn't violate it. Surely this ought to arouse our suspicions.

 

[there4eyeM]

Natural law is an animals eats and drinks or it dies. It steps off a cliff and it falls. It is an ineffective law of nature that can be violated. Where was moral truth when Genghis Khan was running around?
Your answers so far have not looked beyond the human perceptual limitations, but remain totally immersed in them. This may be because it is a difficult area for humans to comprehend and what I have expressed is not clear enough. What I have been putting forward, however, is not religious or even philosophical. It is the reporting of scientific examination of our sensory apparatus and the 'physical' universe, quantum science saying that there is no "physical", only information.

 

[there4eyeM]

"What is moral truth and who gets to decide what it is?"

I do, obviously.

Ironically perhaps, this is essentially true. As anyone who believes in truth or moral truth does so by some kind of choice, that person is, indeed, deciding what it is. This fact seems to make many people uncomfortable, to the point that they deny it strenuously. That would leave them in the position of being "choiceless" slaves.

 

[there4eyeM]

If you are a believer in God, I suppose your moral code comes from whatever God you believe in or worship.

That being said, most of us have an instinctive idea of what is right or wrong. Or perhaps it's born out of what our parents taught us when we were young. Not sure.

Ravi in the Flame Zone posted something about how babies are hard wired with some sort of moral code. I have not read the article... so...

All that being said, I do believe we all know what is right or wrong deep down.
We do "wrong" when we feel like we have an excuse or some justifiable reason for it that we keep telling ourselves.

It is quite possible that, similarly to linguistic capabilities, there is "hard wiring" implicated in the human sense of at least some morals.

 

[ding]

Natural law is an animals eats and drinks or it dies. It steps off a cliff and it falls. It is an ineffective law of nature that can be violated. Where was moral truth when Genghis Khan was running around?
Your answers so far have not looked beyond the human perceptual limitations, but remain totally immersed in them. This may be because it is a difficult area for humans to comprehend and what I have expressed is not clear enough. What I have been putting forward, however, is not religious or even philosophical. It is the reporting of scientific examination of our sensory apparatus and the 'physical' universe, quantum science saying that there is no "physical", only information.

I've addressed this like a thousand times already. Man does not do evil for the sake of evil. Man does evil for the sake of his own good, but rather than abandon the concept of good and evil, he rationalizes that he didn't do evil.

Genghis Khan did not do evil for evil's sake. Genghis Khan did evil for the sake of his own good and those he loved. Therefore, Genghis Khan did not believe he did evil at all. He rationalized that he did good.

The fact that Genghis Khan did not create the moral law and that he can't get rid of (i.e. abandon) the moral law ought to raise your suspicion that the moral law is hardwired into man and that the moral law came from nature.

I am not putting forward a religious or philosophical argument. I am making an argument based upon observation. One that was recognized over 6,000 years ago and was recorded in the account of Genesis and can be confirmed at any point since then including today.

You speak of human perceptual limitations but what you are really saying is that man is subjective. Yes, man is subjective, but he doesn't have to be subjective. He can die to self and see objective truth. We do it all the time. Just not usually for ourselves or for things that we have a preference for an outcome.

Yes, moral laws are not like physical laws. The effect of violating a physical law is immediate and deterministic. The effect of violating a moral law is not necessarily immediate, all though it can be at times. Violating a moral law is more probabilistic.

You need to think about moral laws as standards which exist for a reason and that when we lower these standards and normalize our deviance from these standards the probability of a negative consequence (i.e. predictable surprises) will increase. This is why it is hard for some to see that moral laws (i.e. standards of conduct) really do exist. But the existence of these laws is real and is outside of man. The existence of these laws is dictated by nature. There are successful behaviors (i.e. standards) which naturally lead to success. There are failed behaviors (i.e. deviance from the standard) which naturally lead to failure. We can see this principles in societies which behave with virtue where they are peaceful, orderly and harmonious. And in societies which are devoid of virtue where they are disorderly and chaotic. These outcomes are not dictated by men, they are dictated by nature because these are natural laws.

Furthermore, these laws existed before space and time itself. Everything which exists or is capable of existing was a potentiality before space and time because the laws of nature existed before space and time. We know this because space and time were created according to the laws of nature which had to be in place before space and time itself.

I agree that the physical universe is made up of mind stuff. That before space and time there was only mind stuff that created space and time such that beings that know and can create would eventually arise.

 

[TroglocratsRdumb]

The purpose of morality is the survival of society.
Morality comes from the human experience of what hurts society.
Amoral societies eventually self destruct.

 

[Jessica123]

As long as it doesn't negatively effect another person. Well, the individual should decide it!

 

[there4eyeM]

We (humanity in its grandest manifestation) have outgrown morality, religion and restraints on the human spirit. The masses remain in the mud with the troglodytes, but the new species rises above the fray.

 

[Mikeoxenormous]

Natural law is an animals eats and drinks or it dies. It steps off a cliff and it falls. It is an ineffective law of nature that can be violated. Where was moral truth when Genghis Khan was running around?
Your answers so far have not looked beyond the human perceptual limitations, but remain totally immersed in them. This may be because it is a difficult area for humans to comprehend and what I have expressed is not clear enough. What I have been putting forward, however, is not religious or even philosophical. It is the reporting of scientific examination of our sensory apparatus and the 'physical' universe, quantum science saying that there is no "physical", only information.

I've addressed this like a thousand times already. Man does not do evil for the sake of evil. Man does evil for the sake of his own good, but rather than abandon the concept of good and evil, he rationalizes that he didn't do evil.

Genghis Khan did not do evil for evil's sake. Genghis Khan did evil for the sake of his own good and those he loved. Therefore, Genghis Khan did not believe he did evil at all. He rationalized that he did good.

The fact that Genghis Khan did not create the moral law and that he can't get rid of (i.e. abandon) the moral law ought to raise your suspicion that the moral law is hardwired into man and that the moral law came from nature.

I am not putting forward a religious or philosophical argument. I am making an argument based upon observation. One that was recognized over 6,000 years ago and was recorded in the account of Genesis and can be confirmed at any point since then including today.

You speak of human perceptual limitations but what you are really saying is that man is subjective. Yes, man is subjective, but he doesn't have to be subjective. He can die to self and see objective truth. We do it all the time. Just not usually for ourselves or for things that we have a preference for an outcome.

Yes, moral laws are not like physical laws. The effect of violating a physical law is immediate and deterministic. The effect of violating a moral law is not necessarily immediate, all though it can be at times. Violating a moral law is more probabilistic.

You need to think about moral laws as standards which exist for a reason and that when we lower these standards and normalize our deviance from these standards the probability of a negative consequence (i.e. predictable surprises) will increase. This is why it is hard for some to see that moral laws (i.e. standards of conduct) really do exist. But the existence of these laws is real and is outside of man. The existence of these laws is dictated by nature. There are successful behaviors (i.e. standards) which naturally lead to success. There are failed behaviors (i.e. deviance from the standard) which naturally lead to failure. We can see this principles in societies which behave with virtue where they are peaceful, orderly and harmonious. And in societies which are devoid of virtue where they are disorderly and chaotic. These outcomes are not dictated by men, they are dictated by nature because these are natural laws.

Furthermore, these laws existed before space and time itself. Everything which exists or is capable of existing was a potentiality before space and time because the laws of nature existed before space and time. We know this because space and time were created according to the laws of nature which had to be in place before space and time itself.

I agree that the physical universe is made up of mind stuff. That before space and time there was only mind stuff that created space and time such that beings that know and can create would eventually arise.

Man does not do evil for the sake of evil. Man does evil for the sake of his own good, but rather than abandon the concept of good and evil, he rationalizes that he didn't do evil.

And this is the reason why we have raving lunatics running around shooting up children, and voting for Socialism. Both are EVIL, but marginalized as this statement makes it.

 

[there4eyeM]

Morals, all, are human constructs made of words. Of course they exist, in the only way anything 'exists'; we identify it.