What is wrong with being gay exactly?

[Redfish]

There is nothing wrong with being gay. If you are gay, be gay and shut the fuck up about it.

Gays would shut up about a lot of it if you bigots would just shut up and grant them their rights.

gays have every right that straight people have. marriage is not a right.

That argument isn't playing so well in the courts. You are free to have any opinion you wish concerning marriage being a right or not but the courts have stated that marriage is in fact a right. Your opinion vs. the opinion of the Supreme Court? Yeah, I am going to have to side with the courts on this one instead of some random person on the internet.

Yeah, you do that. Let 9 unelected old farts in black robes decide how 330,000,000 people must live and think.

The gay mafia may very well win this one. But I would prefer that the people make those kinds of decisions.

The next case will be the polygamists and they will use the exact same arguments as the gays, and with the gay precedent, they will also win.

Is this really where you want our society to go?

I will do that b/c your opinion of "marriage isn't a right" has zero effect on what is or what isn't legal precedence. This upcoming ruling will have little, if any, impact on how you live or think. You will still be free to think whatever you wish about gays and live the life most suited to your ideals.

Polygamists will have every right to state their case before the courts and fight for their rights just like another American. And to be honest, I really do not have an issue with polygamists having access to recognized marriage so long all parties in the matter legally consent to the marriage.

your naivete is confirmed by your second paragraph.

 

[Newby]

We all struggle with sin, we're all human, why would God want any of us to struggle with that? Why do you think gays have a corner on the market when it comes to sin?

Um, I'm confused. Your last post was a direct response to my OP, now you seem not to have read the op. Are you the chick from 50 first dates?

I don't think gay is a sin, I think there's nothing wrong with it. What are you talking about?

You asked why God would make gays but then want them to be unhappy in the post that I answered, and my response was to that question. God warns against sin, you're implying that a gay person could only be happy if in a gay relationship, which most Christians would see as 'sin'. Isn't your op questioning why God would make someone a certain way, but then condemn the way He made them? But God made us all, and we all sin, we all are tempted and fall short, gay or not gay, so it's not like God made gay people any differently than anyone else. Aren't we all then 'condemned'? We're all people, we're all tempted by sin, we all fall short? I'm not sure why you seem to have this special category for gay people when it comes to God?

I don't think being 'gay' is a sin either, it's your actions and what's in your heart that causes sin.

This was what particularly confused me, "Why do you think gays have a corner on the market when it comes to sin?" That contradicts everything I said, why would I think that?

Well, I'm confused too, because your op asked why God would make gays and then want them to be unhappy. That is a statement built upon multiple presumptions that may or may not be true. Who's to say that a gay person who accepts what God's word is and gives their lives over God would be unhappy? I assumed you were asking Christians that since they are for the most part against gay marriage, but believe in a loving God? My response is that we are all offered challenges and temptations in life, denying them doesn't necessarily lead to unhappiness. So if you are a Christian, you would see gay sex as a sin, i.e. sin outside of marriage, (same with two heterosexual people who are not married), and you wouldn't believe that God would advocate such a marriage, so you would see the gay person as someone who has challenges and temptations in life, same as everyone else, that they have to turn to God for in order to overcome. If you believe in God and what the Bible tells you, God can overcome anything, I just don't think you're looking at it from the perspective of a Christian.

I don't necessarily think it matters what the secular government/society does with regards to gay marriage, abortion has been legal for 40 years and God certainly wouldn't sanction that either. Jesus Christ is about salvation of the individual, not the society, and each individual will answer to Him for what they do or don't do, we can't control what society does.

Your question is basically the same as 'Why does God want single people to be unhappy?' Single people aren't supposed to have sex either, so if they follow God's word, will they be 'unhappy'? Is it an unreasonable expectation for humans to go without sex? And for the record, sex and love are two different things.

I think too many people think of God as being focused on being obsessed with tracking every mistake we make so he can nail us for it later, rather than God wanting us to learn and grow. Learning and growing involves making more mistakes. I'm a Red Wings fan, the Red Wings are known for continual rebuilding, we made the playoffs 24 straight seasons. Second is Pittsburgh with nine. The Wings are great obviously at developing young players.

You do that by letting them make mistakes and then learn from it, not by blasting them for mistakes and holding it against them You make mistakes and you may or may not go forward with the team depending how you learn and adapt. You play it safe and maybe you won't make any mistakes, but you will get cut for sure. I think God wants us to go for it. Just make sure you don't hurt people on purpose and you ... learn ... from them and I think you'll be fine. I don't think God thinks like us either, I think God puts it in our terms to help us. Too many people misunderstand that

Go Pens! Altho, we lost in freakin' overtime last night...

Everyone obviously has different perceptions of "God", but a Christian is using the Bible as their guide, which is supposed to contain His word. Jesus Christ preached against sin over and over, so you're either walking towards Him, or you're walking away from Him, I don't believe there is any middle ground. You're either genuinely trying to follow His word or you're not. And sure, everyone is going to mess up and make mistakes from time to time, but there is a difference between making a mistake, i.e. screwing up, and blatantly just choosing to go your own way in spite of what His word tells you. Regarding sexual activity, it's pretty clear what God intended, and if you're not following His word on that, then you're choosing to go your own way and not listen to His word. What are the consequences of that, if any? Only God knows, right? But He will be able to say to you that He told you what was sin, and you didn't listen, and there will be no denying it. If you are a Christian. And I think you're right, that you should be growing and learning in your walk with God, and that means to me that you're getting closer to Him, not further away. The Bible says many times that sin separates you from God, so I'm not sure how a person could continually decide to go against God's word, i.e. sin, and yet still insist that they're walking with Him?

 

[mdk]

Gays would shut up about a lot of it if you bigots would just shut up and grant them their rights.

gays have every right that straight people have. marriage is not a right.

That argument isn't playing so well in the courts. You are free to have any opinion you wish concerning marriage being a right or not but the courts have stated that marriage is in fact a right. Your opinion vs. the opinion of the Supreme Court? Yeah, I am going to have to side with the courts on this one instead of some random person on the internet.

Yeah, you do that. Let 9 unelected old farts in black robes decide how 330,000,000 people must live and think.

The gay mafia may very well win this one. But I would prefer that the people make those kinds of decisions.

The next case will be the polygamists and they will use the exact same arguments as the gays, and with the gay precedent, they will also win.

Is this really where you want our society to go?

I will do that b/c your opinion of "marriage isn't a right" has zero effect on what is or what isn't legal precedence. This upcoming ruling will have little, if any, impact on how you live or think. You will still be free to think whatever you wish about gays and live the life most suited to your ideals.

Polygamists will have every right to state their case before the courts and fight for their rights just like another American. And to be honest, I really do not have an issue with polygamists having access to recognized marriage so long all parties in the matter legally consent to the marriage.

your naivete is confirmed by your second paragraph.

Again, that is your opinion.

 

[mudwhistle]

Many righties don't care, I'm not saying this is all of them. And I don't care about giving gays perks straights don't get. But there are a lot of comments personally about gays in those discussions I don't understand. So my question is this:

If two people:

- are gay
- are both consenting adults
- aren't in any other way harming anyone

Why do you care? Why would God care? There is no victim, why should they be unhappily with someone of the opposite sex instead of happily with someone who loves them and wants to be with them?

Makes no sense to me. Particularly explain why God would be against that. He made them that way, was he just screwing with them?

Would think that especially in a time when overpopulation is causing greater and greater problems non-breeders would be encouraged. Shouldn't conservatives be their biggest fans being all about conserving?

If overpopulation is a problem...wtf is Obama opening our borders?

 

[Redfish]

gays have every right that straight people have. marriage is not a right.

That argument isn't playing so well in the courts. You are free to have any opinion you wish concerning marriage being a right or not but the courts have stated that marriage is in fact a right. Your opinion vs. the opinion of the Supreme Court? Yeah, I am going to have to side with the courts on this one instead of some random person on the internet.

Yeah, you do that. Let 9 unelected old farts in black robes decide how 330,000,000 people must live and think.

The gay mafia may very well win this one. But I would prefer that the people make those kinds of decisions.

The next case will be the polygamists and they will use the exact same arguments as the gays, and with the gay precedent, they will also win.

Is this really where you want our society to go?

I will do that b/c your opinion of "marriage isn't a right" has zero effect on what is or what isn't legal precedence. This upcoming ruling will have little, if any, impact on how you live or think. You will still be free to think whatever you wish about gays and live the life most suited to your ideals.

Polygamists will have every right to state their case before the courts and fight for their rights just like another American. And to be honest, I really do not have an issue with polygamists having access to recognized marriage so long all parties in the matter legally consent to the marriage.

your naivete is confirmed by your second paragraph.

Again, that is your opinion.

yes, and my opinion is supported by your naive postings.

 

[mudwhistle]

Many righties don't care, I'm not saying this is all of them. And I don't care about giving gays perks straights don't get. But there are a lot of comments personally about gays in those discussions I don't understand. So my question is this:

If two people:

- are gay
- are both consenting adults
- aren't in any other way harming anyone

Why do you care? Why would God care? There is no victim, why should they be unhappily with someone of the opposite sex instead of happily with someone who loves them and wants to be with them?

Makes no sense to me. Particularly explain why God would be against that. He made them that way, was he just screwing with them?

God made bacon too but forbade that. Trouble with that particular arguement.

He also made poisonous mushrooms and rattlesnakes.

Didn't forbid them though.

That would have been too easy.

"To show your fidelity to me, don't eat poisonous stuff."

Easy peasy!

"To show your fidelity to me, don't eat bacon."

HEY NOW WAIT A MINUTE!!!

Bacon is the Devil!!!!

 

[PredFan]

There is nothing wrong with being gay. If you are gay, be gay and shut the fuck up about it.

Gays would shut up about a lot of it if you bigots would just shut up and grant them their rights.

gays have every right that straight people have. marriage is not a right.

That argument isn't playing so well in the courts. You are free to have any opinion you wish concerning marriage being a right or not but the courts have stated that marriage is in fact a right. Your opinion vs. the opinion of the Supreme Court? Yeah, I am going to have to side with the courts on this one instead of some random person on the internet.

Wrong, the SCOTUS determined that it was wrong to ban gay marriage, they did not say it was a right. It is not.

 

[Redfish]

Many righties don't care, I'm not saying this is all of them. And I don't care about giving gays perks straights don't get. But there are a lot of comments personally about gays in those discussions I don't understand. So my question is this:

If two people:

- are gay
- are both consenting adults
- aren't in any other way harming anyone

Why do you care? Why would God care? There is no victim, why should they be unhappily with someone of the opposite sex instead of happily with someone who loves them and wants to be with them?

Makes no sense to me. Particularly explain why God would be against that. He made them that way, was he just screwing with them?

Would think that especially in a time when overpopulation is causing greater and greater problems non-breeders would be encouraged. Shouldn't conservatives be their biggest fans being all about conserving?

If overpopulation is a problem...wtf is Obama opening our borders?

its all part of his plan to punish the USA for slavery and financial success.

 

[High_Gravity]

Many righties don't care, I'm not saying this is all of them. And I don't care about giving gays perks straights don't get. But there are a lot of comments personally about gays in those discussions I don't understand. So my question is this:

If two people:

- are gay
- are both consenting adults
- aren't in any other way harming anyone

Why do you care? Why would God care? There is no victim, why should they be unhappily with someone of the opposite sex instead of happily with someone who loves them and wants to be with them?

Makes no sense to me. Particularly explain why God would be against that. He made them that way, was he just screwing with them?

Its icky.

 

[Delta4Embassy]

Many righties don't care, I'm not saying this is all of them. And I don't care about giving gays perks straights don't get. But there are a lot of comments personally about gays in those discussions I don't understand. So my question is this:

If two people:

- are gay
- are both consenting adults
- aren't in any other way harming anyone

Why do you care? Why would God care? There is no victim, why should they be unhappily with someone of the opposite sex instead of happily with someone who loves them and wants to be with them?

Makes no sense to me. Particularly explain why God would be against that. He made them that way, was he just screwing with them?

Would think that especially in a time when overpopulation is causing greater and greater problems non-breeders would be encouraged. Shouldn't conservatives be their biggest fans being all about conserving?

If overpopulation is a problem...wtf is Obama opening our borders?

In a gay discussion thread your mind goes to sweaty Latinos and powerful black men? K...

 

[mudwhistle]

Many righties don't care, I'm not saying this is all of them. And I don't care about giving gays perks straights don't get. But there are a lot of comments personally about gays in those discussions I don't understand. So my question is this:

If two people:

- are gay
- are both consenting adults
- aren't in any other way harming anyone

Why do you care? Why would God care? There is no victim, why should they be unhappily with someone of the opposite sex instead of happily with someone who loves them and wants to be with them?

Makes no sense to me. Particularly explain why God would be against that. He made them that way, was he just screwing with them?

Would think that especially in a time when overpopulation is causing greater and greater problems non-breeders would be encouraged. Shouldn't conservatives be their biggest fans being all about conserving?

If overpopulation is a problem...wtf is Obama opening our borders?

its all part of his plan to punish the USA for slavery and financial success.

He feels there comes a time that a person has made enough money......and his job is to spread it out amongst Brown-skinned people that don't have any. This is an attack on, what the left calls "income concentrations".
Income-inequality.

He, of course, is exempt....cuz he's black.

 

[mdk]

There is nothing wrong with being gay. If you are gay, be gay and shut the fuck up about it.

Gays would shut up about a lot of it if you bigots would just shut up and grant them their rights.

gays have every right that straight people have. marriage is not a right.

That argument isn't playing so well in the courts. You are free to have any opinion you wish concerning marriage being a right or not but the courts have stated that marriage is in fact a right. Your opinion vs. the opinion of the Supreme Court? Yeah, I am going to have to side with the courts on this one instead of some random person on the internet.

Wrong, the SCOTUS determined that it was wrong to ban gay marriage, they did not say it was a right. It is not.

Redfish claimed married wasn't a right. The courts have ruled on numerous occasions that marriage is a right. Whether that right will be expanded to include gays is what the courts will be ruling on very recently. It is likely they will not rule in your favor.

 

[Where_r_my_Keys]

Polygamists will have every right to state their case before the courts and fight for their rights just like another American. And to be honest, I really do not have an issue with polygamists having access to recognized marriage so long all parties in the matter legally consent to the marriage.

Thank you...

(Reader, I've been debating this issue on the web, on a daily basis for well over twenty years. And I've watched the Left go from the total denial of any intent for sexual deviancy to claim the right to marry to where we're at now... and I've watched the same cult go from wide eye'd outrage at the suggestion that the legalization of Adult/child sex is the goal of their crusade; wherein they would demand that "Children are NOT CAPABLE OF CONSENTING to a sexual relationship with an adult", to "it's illegal", to 'some children may actually benefit from a loving sexual relationship with a caring adult'.

The simple fact is that the Cult doesn't give a happy dam' if Polygamy is legalized, as long as it serves their 'needs'.

This is the consequence of a species of reasoning known as "Relativism" and it is the underlying species of reason which manifest as the 'mental disorder' which presents as Sexual Deviancy.

So yes... Relativism is the intellectual equivalent to HIV... the virus that causes Cultural Immunity Deficiency Syndrome, OKA: CIDS.)

 

[hazlnut]

Many righties don't care, I'm not saying this is all of them. And I don't care about giving gays perks straights don't get. But there are a lot of comments personally about gays in those discussions I don't understand. So my question is this:

If two people:

- are gay
- are both consenting adults
- aren't in any other way harming anyone

Why do you care? Why would God care? There is no victim, why should they be unhappily with someone of the opposite sex instead of happily with someone who loves them and wants to be with them?

Makes no sense to me. Particularly explain why God would be against that. He made them that way, was he just screwing with them?

Well, there's an archaic book of Tribal Laws call Leviticus filled will all kinds of rules and laws that were of the culture of that time. Some people read that book as if the laws were applicable to today. They read the phrase "word of God" as literal and not as an indication of how people 4000 years ago saw their deity.

 

[mdk]

That argument isn't playing so well in the courts. You are free to have any opinion you wish concerning marriage being a right or not but the courts have stated that marriage is in fact a right. Your opinion vs. the opinion of the Supreme Court? Yeah, I am going to have to side with the courts on this one instead of some random person on the internet.

Yeah, you do that. Let 9 unelected old farts in black robes decide how 330,000,000 people must live and think.

The gay mafia may very well win this one. But I would prefer that the people make those kinds of decisions.

The next case will be the polygamists and they will use the exact same arguments as the gays, and with the gay precedent, they will also win.

Is this really where you want our society to go?

I will do that b/c your opinion of "marriage isn't a right" has zero effect on what is or what isn't legal precedence. This upcoming ruling will have little, if any, impact on how you live or think. You will still be free to think whatever you wish about gays and live the life most suited to your ideals.

Polygamists will have every right to state their case before the courts and fight for their rights just like another American. And to be honest, I really do not have an issue with polygamists having access to recognized marriage so long all parties in the matter legally consent to the marriage.

your naivete is confirmed by your second paragraph.

Again, that is your opinion.

yes, and my opinion is supported by your naive postings.

Sorry, I don't care if polygamists get access to marriage.

 

[Where_r_my_Keys]

There is nothing wrong with being gay. If you are gay, be gay and shut the fuck up about it.

Gays would shut up about a lot of it if you bigots would just shut up and grant them their rights.

gays have every right that straight people have. marriage is not a right.

That argument isn't playing so well in the courts. You are free to have any opinion you wish concerning marriage being a right or not but the courts have stated that marriage is in fact a right. Your opinion vs. the opinion of the Supreme Court? Yeah, I am going to have to side with the courts on this one instead of some random person on the internet.

Wrong, the SCOTUS determined that it was wrong to ban gay marriage, they did not say it was a right. It is not.

Redfish claimed married wasn't a right. The courts have ruled on numerous occasions that marriage is a right. Whether that right will be expanded to include gays is what the courts will be ruling on very recently. It is likely they will not rule in your favor.

LOL! Marriage is a right, wherein One Man Joins with One Woman.

As a result, there is no means for THAT right to be extended to a man and a goat, or a man and a car or a man and a man.

Let's Review: Marriage is the Joining of ONE MAN and ONE WOMAN.

(See how that works?)

 

[mdk]

Polygamists will have every right to state their case before the courts and fight for their rights just like another American. And to be honest, I really do not have an issue with polygamists having access to recognized marriage so long all parties in the matter legally consent to the marriage.

Thank you...

(Reader, I've been debating this issue on the web, on a daily basis for well over twenty years. And I've watched the Left go from the total denial of any intent for sexual deviancy to claim the right to marry to where we're at now... and I've watched the same cult go from wide eye'd outrage at the suggestion that the legalization of Adult/child sex is the goal of their crusade; wherein they would demand that "Children are NOT CAPABLE OF CONSENTING to a sexual relationship with an adult", to "it's illegal", to 'some children may actually benefit from a loving sexual relationship with a caring adult'.

The simple fact is that the Cult doesn't give a happy dam' if Polygamy is legalized, as long as it serves their 'needs'.

This is the consequence of a species of reasoning known as "Relativism" and it is the underlying species of reason which manifest as the 'mental disorder' which presents as Sexual Deviancy.

So yes... Relativism is the intellectual equivalent to HIV... the virus that causes Cultural Immunity Deficiency Syndrome, OKA: CIDS.)

One of the biggest relativists on this site gassing on about the evils of relativism. Such sweet irony.

I thought you had me on ignore crybaby?

 

[mudwhistle]

Many righties don't care, I'm not saying this is all of them. And I don't care about giving gays perks straights don't get. But there are a lot of comments personally about gays in those discussions I don't understand. So my question is this:

If two people:

- are gay
- are both consenting adults
- aren't in any other way harming anyone

Why do you care? Why would God care? There is no victim, why should they be unhappily with someone of the opposite sex instead of happily with someone who loves them and wants to be with them?

Makes no sense to me. Particularly explain why God would be against that. He made them that way, was he just screwing with them?

Would think that especially in a time when overpopulation is causing greater and greater problems non-breeders would be encouraged. Shouldn't conservatives be their biggest fans being all about conserving?

If overpopulation is a problem...wtf is Obama opening our borders?

In a gay discussion thread your mind goes to sweaty Latinos and powerful black men? K...

Nope. Your's maybe....but I was offering a little sanity to your comment. If there are too many motherfuckers on the planet...why in the fuck do we keep rolling out the red carpet for them to come here, being overcrowded and all????

 

[mdk]

Gays would shut up about a lot of it if you bigots would just shut up and grant them their rights.

gays have every right that straight people have. marriage is not a right.

That argument isn't playing so well in the courts. You are free to have any opinion you wish concerning marriage being a right or not but the courts have stated that marriage is in fact a right. Your opinion vs. the opinion of the Supreme Court? Yeah, I am going to have to side with the courts on this one instead of some random person on the internet.

Wrong, the SCOTUS determined that it was wrong to ban gay marriage, they did not say it was a right. It is not.

Redfish claimed married wasn't a right. The courts have ruled on numerous occasions that marriage is a right. Whether that right will be expanded to include gays is what the courts will be ruling on very recently. It is likely they will not rule in your favor.

LOL! Marriage is a right, wherein One Man Joins with One Woman.

As a result, there is no means for THAT right to be extended to a man and a goat, or a man and a car or a man and a man.

Let's Review: Marriage is the Joining of ONE MAN and ONE WOMAN.

(See how that works?)

And in 37 states; likely to be all 50, marriage is the joining of two consenting adults regardless of their gender. See how that works?

 

[Delta4Embassy]

Many righties don't care, I'm not saying this is all of them. And I don't care about giving gays perks straights don't get. But there are a lot of comments personally about gays in those discussions I don't understand. So my question is this:

If two people:

- are gay
- are both consenting adults
- aren't in any other way harming anyone

Why do you care? Why would God care? There is no victim, why should they be unhappily with someone of the opposite sex instead of happily with someone who loves them and wants to be with them?

Makes no sense to me. Particularly explain why God would be against that. He made them that way, was he just screwing with them?

Would think that especially in a time when overpopulation is causing greater and greater problems non-breeders would be encouraged. Shouldn't conservatives be their biggest fans being all about conserving?

If overpopulation is a problem...wtf is Obama opening our borders?

In a gay discussion thread your mind goes to sweaty Latinos and powerful black men? K...

Nope. Your's maybe....but I was offering a little sanity to your comment. If there are too many motherfuckers on the planet...why in the fuck do we keep rolling out the red carpet for them to come here, being overcrowded and all????

Sooner you come out, if only to yourself, sooner you'll be happier.