What is wrong with being gay exactly?

[Newby]

You asked why God would make gays but then want them to be unhappy in the post that I answered, and my response was to that question. God warns against sin, you're implying that a gay person could only be happy if in a gay relationship, which most Christians would see as 'sin'. Isn't your op questioning why God would make someone a certain way, but then condemn the way He made them? But God made us all, and we all sin, we all are tempted and fall short, gay or not gay, so it's not like God made gay people any differently than anyone else. Aren't we all then 'condemned'? We're all people, we're all tempted by sin, we all fall short? I'm not sure why you seem to have this special category for gay people when it comes to God?

I don't think being 'gay' is a sin either, it's your actions and what's in your heart that causes sin.

This was what particularly confused me, "Why do you think gays have a corner on the market when it comes to sin?" That contradicts everything I said, why would I think that?

Well, I'm confused too, because your op asked why God would make gays and then want them to be unhappy. That is a statement built upon multiple presumptions that may or may not be true. Who's to say that a gay person who accepts what God's word is and gives their lives over God would be unhappy? I assumed you were asking Christians that since they are for the most part against gay marriage, but believe in a loving God? My response is that we are all offered challenges and temptations in life, denying them doesn't necessarily lead to unhappiness. So if you are a Christian, you would see gay sex as a sin, i.e. sin outside of marriage, (same with two heterosexual people who are not married), and you wouldn't believe that God would advocate such a marriage, so you would see the gay person as someone who has challenges and temptations in life, same as everyone else, that they have to turn to God for in order to overcome. If you believe in God and what the Bible tells you, God can overcome anything, I just don't think you're looking at it from the perspective of a Christian.

I don't necessarily think it matters what the secular government/society does with regards to gay marriage, abortion has been legal for 40 years and God certainly wouldn't sanction that either. Jesus Christ is about salvation of the individual, not the society, and each individual will answer to Him for what they do or don't do, we can't control what society does.

Your question is basically the same as 'Why does God want single people to be unhappy?' Single people aren't supposed to have sex either, so if they follow God's word, will they be 'unhappy'? Is it an unreasonable expectation for humans to go without sex? And for the record, sex and love are two different things.

I think too many people think of God as being focused on being obsessed with tracking every mistake we make so he can nail us for it later, rather than God wanting us to learn and grow. Learning and growing involves making more mistakes. I'm a Red Wings fan, the Red Wings are known for continual rebuilding, we made the playoffs 24 straight seasons. Second is Pittsburgh with nine. The Wings are great obviously at developing young players.

You do that by letting them make mistakes and then learn from it, not by blasting them for mistakes and holding it against them You make mistakes and you may or may not go forward with the team depending how you learn and adapt. You play it safe and maybe you won't make any mistakes, but you will get cut for sure. I think God wants us to go for it. Just make sure you don't hurt people on purpose and you ... learn ... from them and I think you'll be fine. I don't think God thinks like us either, I think God puts it in our terms to help us. Too many people misunderstand that

Go Pens! Altho, we lost in freakin' overtime last night...

Everyone obviously has different perceptions of "God", but a Christian is using the Bible as their guide, which is supposed to contain His word. Jesus Christ preached against sin over and over, so you're either walking towards Him, or you're walking away from Him, I don't believe there is any middle ground. You're either genuinely trying to follow His word or you're not. And sure, everyone is going to mess up and make mistakes from time to time, but there is a difference between making a mistake, i.e. screwing up, and blatantly just choosing to go your own way in spite of what His word tells you. Regarding sexual activity, it's pretty clear what God intended, and if you're not following His word on that, then you're choosing to go your own way and not listen to His word. What are the consequences of that, if any? Only God knows, right? But He will be able to say to you that He told you what was sin, and you didn't listen, and there will be no denying it. If you are a Christian. And I think you're right, that you should be growing and learning in your walk with God, and that means to me that you're getting closer to Him, not further away. The Bible says many times that sin separates you from God, so I'm not sure how a person could continually decide to go against God's word, i.e. sin, and yet still insist that they're walking with Him?

The Bible is a guide, but it's not an instruction manual. You still have to think it through. Though shalt not kill. What if someone breaks into your home and threatens your family? I think that's clearly not applicable. What if someone says they are going to do it and you believe them? Wow, that's gray. Homosexuality doesn't harm anyone, not being gay when you are gay does harm you. I'm not saying your point's not valid, but it's not that simple

But for Christians it is that simple if they truly believe the Bible is the word of God. If you're not going to follow it and listen to what God is telling you, then why bother with it at all? You're not really a Christian then. How can you give any of it validity if you're going to just reassure yourself that God didn't really mean what He was saying when He said that particular thing, but He did in this circumstance. You might as well invalidate the entire thing then, because YOU are deciding what's valid or not, not God.

 

[NYcarbineer]

How is Homosexual harmful?

Examine the public profession of a homosexual, where the issue is a governor standing up for the natural standards of Marriage: One Man Joining with One Woman...

Of course he is....gay marriage will make him choose to be gay (openly).

(Reader, that is a classic demonstration of the reasoning which comes out of the Mental Disorder that presents as sexual deviancy. And THAT is how "Homosexual is Harmful". In this instance Homosexuality is ADVISING THE READERSHIP OF THIS BOARD, that EVERYONE is secretly a Sexual Deviant.)

No response is needed to this stupidity.

It's good to keep him talking. Normal people read USMB on a regular basis. It's good that they are exposed to what the mainstream of conservatism really believes.

ROFLMNAO!

A lovely concession...

Your concession is duly noted and summarily accepted.

Now Reader let's review:

How is Homosexual harmful?

Examine the public profession of a homosexual, where the issue is a governor standing up for the natural standards of Marriage: One Man Joining with One Woman...

Of course he is....gay marriage will make him choose to be gay (openly).

(Reader, that is a classic demonstration of the reasoning which comes out of the Mental Disorder that presents as sexual deviancy. And THAT is how "Homosexual is Harmful". In this instance Homosexuality is ADVISING THE READERSHIP OF THIS BOARD, that EVERYONE is secretly a Sexual Deviant.)

Homosexuality is as harmless as heterosexuality, all else being equal.

 

[Marxist]

How is Homosexual harmful?

Examine the public profession of a homosexual, where the issue is a governor standing up for the natural standards of Marriage: One Man Joining with One Woman...

Of course he is....gay marriage will make him choose to be gay (openly).

(Reader, that is a classic demonstration of the reasoning which comes out of the Mental Disorder that presents as sexual deviancy. And THAT is how "Homosexual is Harmful". In this instance Homosexuality is ADVISING THE READERSHIP OF THIS BOARD, that EVERYONE is secretly a Sexual Deviant.)

No response is needed to this stupidity.

It's good to keep him talking. Normal people read USMB on a regular basis. It's good that they are exposed to what the mainstream of conservatism really believes.

ROFLMNAO!

A lovely concession...

Your concession is duly noted and summarily accepted.

Now Reader let's review:

How is Homosexual harmful?

Examine the public profession of a homosexual, where the issue is a governor standing up for the natural standards of Marriage: One Man Joining with One Woman...

Of course he is....gay marriage will make him choose to be gay (openly).

(Reader, that is a classic demonstration of the reasoning which comes out of the Mental Disorder that presents as sexual deviancy. And THAT is how "Homosexual is Harmful". In this instance Homosexuality is ADVISING THE READERSHIP OF THIS BOARD, that EVERYONE is secretly a Sexual Deviant.)

Homosexuality is as harmless as heterosexuality, all else being equal.

Hell, rams are more evolved then those against homosexuality, they bang it out all the time.

 

[NYcarbineer]

How is Homosexual harmful?

Examine the public profession of a homosexual, where the issue is a governor standing up for the natural standards of Marriage: One Man Joining with One Woman...

Of course he is....gay marriage will make him choose to be gay (openly).

(Reader, that is a classic demonstration of the reasoning which comes out of the Mental Disorder that presents as sexual deviancy. And THAT is how "Homosexual is Harmful". In this instance Homosexuality is ADVISING THE READERSHIP OF THIS BOARD, that EVERYONE is secretly a Sexual Deviant.)

No response is needed to this stupidity.

It's good to keep him talking. Normal people read USMB on a regular basis. It's good that they are exposed to what the mainstream of conservatism really believes.

ROFLMNAO!

A lovely concession...

Your concession is duly noted and summarily accepted.

Now Reader let's review:

How is Homosexual harmful?

Examine the public profession of a homosexual, where the issue is a governor standing up for the natural standards of Marriage: One Man Joining with One Woman...

Of course he is....gay marriage will make him choose to be gay (openly).

(Reader, that is a classic demonstration of the reasoning which comes out of the Mental Disorder that presents as sexual deviancy. And THAT is how "Homosexual is Harmful". In this instance Homosexuality is ADVISING THE READERSHIP OF THIS BOARD, that EVERYONE is secretly a Sexual Deviant.)

State your opinion on the issue you insist on dodging.

Jesus was celibate. Was he abnormal? Was he perverted?

 

[Seawytch]

There is nothing wrong with being gay. If you are gay, be gay and shut the fuck up about it.

Gays would shut up about a lot of it if you bigots would just shut up and grant them their rights.

gays have every right that straight people have. marriage is not a right.

Marriage is indeed a right in the United States. You may disagree- you may pretend that it isn't but the Supreme Court says otherwise- and the Supreme Court actually has authority- and you do not.


Loving v Virginia

"The freedom to marry has long been recognized as one of the vital personal rights essential to the orderly pursuit of happiness by free men."

"Marriage is one of the 'basic civil rights of man,' fundamental to our very existence and survival."

Zablocki v. Rehail

Although Loving arose in the context of racial discrimination, prior and subsequent decisions of this Court confirm that the right to marry is of fundamental importance for all individuals.

Maynard v. Hill,125 U. S. 190(1888), the Court characterized marriage as "the most important relation in life,"id.at125 U. S. 205, and as "the foundation of the family and of society, without which there would be neither civilization nor progress,"

InMeyer v. Nebraska,262 U. S. 390(1923), the Court recognized that the right "to marry, establish a home and bring up children" is a central part of the liberty protected by the Due Process Clause,

InGriswold v. Connecticut,381 U. S. 479(1965), the Court observed:

"We deal with a right of privacy older than the Bill of Rights -- older than our political parties, older than our school system. Marriage is a coming together for better or for worse, hopefully enduring, and intimate to the degree of being sacred. It is an association that promotes a way of life, not causes; a harmony in living, not political faiths; a bilateral loyalty, not commercial or social projects. Yet it is an association for as noble a purpose as any involved in our prior decisions."

Carey v. Population Services International,431 U. S. 678(1977)

"While the outer limits of [the right of personal privacy] have not been marked by the Court, it is clear that among the decisions that an individual may make without unjustified government interference are personal decisions 'relating to marriage,

Cleveland Board of Education v. LaFleur

"This Court has long recognized that freedom of personal choice in matters of marriage and family life is one of the liberties protected by the Due Process Clause of the Fourteenth Amendment"

Due Process, Liberty, not a right. If it was a right no one would have to be single, they could demand their right.

Single people aren't denied civil marriage. Your argument falls apart on its face.

I'm not "denied" the private airplane tax break.

 

[Where_r_my_Keys]

What more do ya need? The HIV?

Then there's on the straight side the syphilis

LOL! Good idea! Hetero-Sexual deviants suffer syphilis, therefore AIDS is less a problem for Homosexuals.

Hmm... LOL! Are you sure? Doesn't seem valid to me. Be sure to let me know if ya come up with a soild equivocation.

The Higher Rates of Depression and Suicide?

Never heard this...

Ok. It remains a fact.

The Child Molestation Charges

Irrelevant to the discussion

Oh! So you want to strip from the discussion of the harm done by homosexuals, harmful behavior by homosexuals.

Sounds about right for this sort of thread.

the certain death for having molested the child of a parent who doesn't consider the government as an authority relevant to his children, who simply goes to work carving up the respective deviant? The extended harm to the culture, wherein delusion becomes normalized?

What?

I wouldn't worry about it, it is just an example of harm done to people by homosexuals. Clearly not relevant to your would-be reasoning.

Man if you can read any of these tens of thousands of threads, wherein the same species of reasoning that presents sexual deviancy in some and intellectual perversion in other with some being subjected to the unenviable COMBO... and not see 'the harm'... then I honestly don't see what there is to discuss.

Loaded question.

Yep... that's the reality.

The harm is being demonstrated everywhere ya LOOK! For God's sake man, the same perverse reasoning is being used to license Iran with nuclear weapons

What?

I was pointing to the self-evident harm that is ever present throughout the culture, by the disordered reasoning that presents as sexual deviancy in some people and irrational political perspective in others... Don't sweat it, it's common sense, thus no everyone gets it.

It's not even a debatable point.

Clearly it is

LOL! Now isn't that precious? You feel that your need to debate something, determines that such is actually debatable.

Adorable!

 

[dilloduck]

[ Wherein nature requires that Marriage IS: The Joining of One Man and One Woman.

Says who?

Where does Nature (whatever you are referring to) reject polygamy amongst humans?

Nature as nothing to do with marriage. Why gays want to be s unnatural

 

[Marxist]

What more do ya need? The HIV?

Then there's on the straight side the syphilis

LOL! Good idea! Hetero-Sexual deviants suffer syphilis, therefore AIDS is less a problem for Homosexuals.

Hmm... LOL! Are you sure? Doesn't seem valid to me. Be sure to let me know if ya come up with a soild equivocation.

The Higher Rates of Depression and Suicide?

Never heard this...

Ok. It remains a fact.

The Child Molestation Charges

Irrelevant to the discussion[/quote]

Oh! So you want to strip from the discussion of the harm done by homosexuals, harmful behavior by homosexuals.

Sounds about right for this sort of thread.

the certain death for having molested the child of a parent who doesn't consider the government as an authority relevant to his children, who simply goes to work carving up the respective deviant? The extended harm to the culture, wherein delusion becomes normalized?

What?[/quote]

I wouldn't worry about it, it is just an example of harm done to people by homosexuals. Clearly not relevant to your would-be reasoning.

Man if you can read any of these tens of thousands of threads, wherein the same species of reasoning that presents sexual deviancy in some and intellectual perversion in other with some being subjected to the unenviable COMBO... and not see 'the harm'... then I honestly don't see what there is to discuss.

Loaded question.[/quote] Yep... that's the reality.

The harm is being demonstrated everywhere ya LOOK! For God's sake man, the same perverse reasoning is being used to license Iran with nuclear weapons

What?[/quote]

I was pointing to the self-evident harm that is ever present throughout the culture, by the disordered reasoning that presents as sexual deviancy in some people and irrational political perspective in others... Don't sweat it, it's common sense, thus no everyone gets it.

It's not even a debatable point.

Clearly it is[/QUOTE]

LOL! Now isn't that precious? You feel that your need to debate something, determines that such is actually debatable.

Adorable![/QUOTE]
Those who consider themselves conservative should feel worried about this nut ^

 

[kaz]

Many righties don't care, I'm not saying this is all of them. And I don't care about giving gays perks straights don't get. But there are a lot of comments personally about gays in those discussions I don't understand. So my question is this:

If two people:

- are gay
- are both consenting adults
- aren't in any other way harming anyone

Why do you care? Why would God care? There is no victim, why should they be unhappily with someone of the opposite sex instead of happily with someone who loves them and wants to be with them?

Makes no sense to me. Particularly explain why God would be against that. He made them that way, was he just screwing with them?

God made bacon too but forbade that. Trouble with that particular arguement.

He also made poisonous mushrooms and rattlesnakes.

And ticks, fleas and cockroaches.

No, I don't mean the radical, fundie RW kind.

Really, I can't think of even one reason why people should be so invested in harming gays. Live and let live, MYOB and all that.

So you have no problem with NAMBLA????

Irrelevant to the discussion, which is referring specifically to gay sex between consenting adults

 

[Where_r_my_Keys]

State your opinion on the issue you insist on dodging.

Jesus was celibate. Was he abnormal? Was he perverted?

Celibacy is what? It's a BEHAVIOR isn't it? Does that behavior conflict with the human physiological Standard? (No.. it doesn't.)

So.. while the BEHAVIOR is distinct from what is typical, OKA: Normality, it does not deviate from the human physiological norm; thus such is not a perversion of human sexuality.

But hey... in fairness to you, as a imbecile, there was NO WAY you could have known that.

 

[Marxist]

[ Wherein nature requires that Marriage IS: The Joining of One Man and One Woman.

Says who?

Where does Nature (whatever you are referring to) reject polygamy amongst humans?

Nature as nothing to do with marriage. Why gays want to be s unnatural

How the hell are you defining natural? Your own biased, christian perspective?

 

[NYcarbineer]

What more do ya need? The HIV?

Then there's on the straight side the syphilis

LOL! Good idea! Hetero-Sexual deviants suffer syphilis, therefore AIDS is less a problem for Homosexuals.

Hmm... LOL! Are you sure? Doesn't seem valid to me. Be sure to let me know if ya come up with a soild equivocation.

The Higher Rates of Depression and Suicide?

Never heard this...

Ok. It remains a fact.

The Child Molestation Charges

Irrelevant to the discussion[/quote]

Oh! So you want to strip from the discussion of the harm done by homosexuals, harmful behavior by homosexuals.

Sounds about right for this sort of thread.

the certain death for having molested the child of a parent who doesn't consider the government as an authority relevant to his children, who simply goes to work carving up the respective deviant? The extended harm to the culture, wherein delusion becomes normalized?

What?[/quote]

I wouldn't worry about it, it is just an example of harm done to people by homosexuals. Clearly not relevant to your would-be reasoning.

Man if you can read any of these tens of thousands of threads, wherein the same species of reasoning that presents sexual deviancy in some and intellectual perversion in other with some being subjected to the unenviable COMBO... and not see 'the harm'... then I honestly don't see what there is to discuss.

Loaded question.[/quote] Yep... that's the reality.

The harm is being demonstrated everywhere ya LOOK! For God's sake man, the same perverse reasoning is being used to license Iran with nuclear weapons

What?[/quote]

I was pointing to the self-evident harm that is ever present throughout the culture, by the disordered reasoning that presents as sexual deviancy in some people and irrational political perspective in others... Don't sweat it, it's common sense, thus no everyone gets it.

It's not even a debatable point.

Clearly it is[/QUOTE]

LOL! Now isn't that precious? You feel that your need to debate something, determines that such is actually debatable.

Adorable![/QUOTE]

What's the HIV rate among married homosexuals?

 

[kaz]

you want to alter the NUCLEUS of CIVILIZATION to accommodate those presenting mental disorder

Strawman. How do 2% of the population having sex alter the nucleus of civilization exactly?

 

[Marxist]

you want to alter the NUCLEUS of CIVILIZATION to accommodate those presenting mental disorder

Strawman. How do 2% of the population having sex alter the nucleus of civilization exactly?

No Idea, it's quite disturbing that lunatics like keys exist.

 

[Where_r_my_Keys]

you want to alter the NUCLEUS of CIVILIZATION to accommodate those presenting mental disorder

Strawman. How do 2% of the population having sex alter the nucleus of civilization exactly?

So you feel that noting the IRREFUTABLE FACT: That the Human Family is the NUCLEUS OF CIVILIZATION... is a fabrication being represented as fact? And in so doing you offer straw reasoning as the construct of your contest?

LOL!

Kaz... go home. You're drunk.

 

[kaz]

Many righties don't care, I'm not saying this is all of them. And I don't care about giving gays perks straights don't get. But there are a lot of comments personally about gays in those discussions I don't understand. So my question is this:

If two people:

- are gay
- are both consenting adults
- aren't in any other way harming anyone

Why do you care? Why would God care? There is no victim, why should they be unhappily with someone of the opposite sex instead of happily with someone who loves them and wants to be with them?

Makes no sense to me. Particularly explain why God would be against that. He made them that way, was he just screwing with them?

Good question Kaz...
Loving someone and wanting to spend the rest of your life with them is a beautiful thing. I've always lived and let live for my whole life... if you're happy then I think it's great. However as I've aged I've been able to differentiate between a healthy existence and one that is not so healthy for body and soul.

I think it's important to be kind to others no matter how they choose to live their life but I also have come to believe that gay sex is one of those not so healthy things for one's body and more importantly one's soul.

I don't come to this conclusion from a religious aspect and I am not a member of any church. I don't think God is against two men or two women living with and loving each other. But I do think when sex enters in to the equation God would not be supportive of that endeavor.

I don't think Homosexuals will be sent to hell but I believe when we die we all will see our life's scorecard. We will see our mistakes and our successes. We will see our wrong turns and our smart moves.

In short, I believe at the time of death we will be able to seriously scrutinize our life. I feel the less we have to feel bad about, and the less pain we have dished out not only to others but to ourselves the better your soul can rest. Love is forever...sex is over in minuets. I believe it is a mistake to confuse the two...Sex is not love and love is not sex.

When it comes down to cross gender issues where surgical procedures are utilized to change one's sexual appearance. I feel that is a very bad thing for the same reasons I stated above. I feel that it is physical mutilation so that would put it squarely in the bad for one's body and soul category.

Thank you for the thoughtful reply. I have to say though the gay couples I know seem pretty happy, I don't see how they are doing anything unhealthy for their soul

 

[deltex1]

Many righties don't care, I'm not saying this is all of them. And I don't care about giving gays perks straights don't get. But there are a lot of comments personally about gays in those discussions I don't understand. So my question is this:

If two people:

- are gay
- are both consenting adults
- aren't in any other way harming anyone

Why do you care? Why would God care? There is no victim, why should they be unhappily with someone of the opposite sex instead of happily with someone who loves them and wants to be with them?

Makes no sense to me. Particularly explain why God would be against that. He made them that way, was he just screwing with them?

Muslims ask the same question about screwing goats.

 

[NYcarbineer]

State your opinion on the issue you insist on dodging.

Jesus was celibate. Was he abnormal? Was he perverted?

Celibacy is what? It's a BEHAVIOR isn't it? Does that behavior conflict with the human physiological Standard? (No.. it doesn't.)

So.. while the BEHAVIOR is distinct from what is typical, OKA: Normality, it does not deviate from the human physiological norm; thus such is not a perversion of human sexuality.

But hey... in fairness to you, as a imbecile, there was NO WAY you could have known that.

Celibacy by your very own standards, which you're now trying to run away from, is abnormal.

Universal celibacy would put an end to the human race.

 

[Where_r_my_Keys]

What more do ya need? The HIV?

Then there's on the straight side the syphilis

LOL! Good idea! Hetero-Sexual deviants suffer syphilis, therefore AIDS is less a problem for Homosexuals.

Hmm... LOL! Are you sure? Doesn't seem valid to me. Be sure to let me know if ya come up with a soild equivocation.

The Higher Rates of Depression and Suicide?

Never heard this...

Ok. It remains a fact.

The Child Molestation Charges

Irrelevant to the discussion

Oh! So you want to strip from the discussion of the harm done by homosexuals, harmful behavior by homosexuals.

Sounds about right for this sort of thread.

the certain death for having molested the child of a parent who doesn't consider the government as an authority relevant to his children, who simply goes to work carving up the respective deviant? The extended harm to the culture, wherein delusion becomes normalized?

What?[/quote]

I wouldn't worry about it, it is just an example of harm done to people by homosexuals. Clearly not relevant to your would-be reasoning.

Man if you can read any of these tens of thousands of threads, wherein the same species of reasoning that presents sexual deviancy in some and intellectual perversion in other with some being subjected to the unenviable COMBO... and not see 'the harm'... then I honestly don't see what there is to discuss.

Loaded question.[/quote] Yep... that's the reality.

The harm is being demonstrated everywhere ya LOOK! For God's sake man, the same perverse reasoning is being used to license Iran with nuclear weapons

What?[/quote]

I was pointing to the self-evident harm that is ever present throughout the culture, by the disordered reasoning that presents as sexual deviancy in some people and irrational political perspective in others... Don't sweat it, it's common sense, thus no everyone gets it.

It's not even a debatable point.

Clearly it is[/QUOTE]

LOL! Now isn't that precious? You feel that your need to debate something, determines that such is actually debatable.

Adorable![/QUOTE]

What's the HIV rate among married homosexuals?[/QUOTE]

The same as the HIV rate among non-married Homosexuals.

 

[PredFan]

There is nothing wrong with being gay. If you are gay, be gay and shut the fuck up about it.

Gays would shut up about a lot of it if you bigots would just shut up and grant them their rights.

gays have every right that straight people have. marriage is not a right.

That argument isn't playing so well in the courts. You are free to have any opinion you wish concerning marriage being a right or not but the courts have stated that marriage is in fact a right. Your opinion vs. the opinion of the Supreme Court? Yeah, I am going to have to side with the courts on this one instead of some random person on the internet.

Wrong, the SCOTUS determined that it was wrong to ban gay marriage, they did not say it was a right. It is not.

Actually the Supreme Court is considering that issue- it has not ruled on the constitutionality of 'gay marriage bans'

However the Supreme Court has ruled repeatedly that marriage is a right.

If it was a right then people could just demand to get married when they wanted to.