What Robert Frost Reveals About Libersals

[NYcarbineer]

You know why we're seeing so much bitterness, vitriole, anger, etc. spewing from the Right on this forum?

Because they all realize that even though the GOP has the presidency and the House and the Senate,

it's GW Bush 2001 all over again. Nothing of consequence on the conservative agenda of rolling back the clock is going to get done.

The Republicans are just placeholders until the next round of Progress takes over,

and the RWnuts on this forum know it.

 

[PoliticalChic]

Once upon a time it was a compliment to be a Liberal...you know, when they supported the first amendment, and America.....

The current crop, sadly, has found the road marked 'Fascist' more to their liking.

Once upon a time people understood what "Liberal" meant. You know, when they wrote the First Amendment, the entire Bill of Rights, the Constitution, and invented the United States, if not "America".

Indeed.

Those honored gentlemen had nothing in common with the current crop of twisted, moronic totalitarians who have requisitioned the name.

Nobody gets to requisition a name. Adjectives are for third-party observers, like us.
Some such as the OP are so wallowed in their own ignorance that they insist on pointing to a doughnut and calling it an "aardvark". Nothing we can do about self-delusion.

You insist on forcing me to prove you are a low-life lying scum?

Well....OK:

"How Socialist John Dewey Switched Labels
by Jim Peron

1. Pity the poor liberal. And I mean the real liberal. Not the modern watered-down socialist who calls himself a liberal but a real, honest, classical liberal. There is so much confusion over the term and real liberals have allowed fake liberals to get away with this subtle destruction of the language.
2. The classical liberals proposed laissez faire and this led to prosperity. The economics of 19th century liberalism brought about a major increase in the standard of living of all people. Thus real liberalism produced the effects which socialists dreamed their system would provide.
   1. Many socialists wanted prosperity and thought socialism would lead to such results faster than classical liberalism. But at the same time many socialists saw their ideology as a means of grabbing power for themselves and it was the power, not the promised prosperity, which attracted them.
3. [Socialists] knew that liberalism had a good reputation with the working classes — the very audience which they were targeting. The idea was to adopt the name liberal to describe socialism. Socialism, as socialism, was harder to sell. But by taking a name they did not deserve they felt they could make political gains on the backs of classical liberalism. And they did.
4. In the United States, where liberalism most clearly reversed its meaning, in common parlance, it was the socialist John Dewey who openly promoted the idea of stealing the liberal label. Dewey, in his book Individualism Old and New argued that liberal individualism had in fact disappeared and been replaced by state capitalism and that collectivism already existed in America.
   1. But he noted the collectivism of that day was a “collectivism of profit” and not a “collectivism of planning”. He said the only way liberalism could return to its true meaning was to adopt socialism as the means by which liberal goals would be achieved. As he put it central economic planning was “the sole method of social action by which liberalism can realize its professed aims.”
5. Peter Witonski, in his essay The Historical Roots of American Planning said: “Dewey was the first to argue that the world ‘liberal’—which once stood for liberal, free-market capitalism—could better serve the needs of social democracy in America than the world ‘socialism’.
   1. The liberalism of Adam Smith was out-of-date Dewey argued.” In his book Liberalism and Social Action, Dewey suggested that the goals of a free society could best be obtained “only by a reversal of the means to which early liberalism was committed.” But the means of liberalism were fundamentally connected to the basic premises of liberalism. A reversal of means, while keeping similar goals in mind, also changed the premises of liberalism. The “new wisdom” of Keynes with the “reversal of means” of Dewey really meant stealing the name of liberalism and applying it to another very different species. The famed economist Joseph Schumpeter noted that “the enemies of private enterprise have thought it wise to appropriate its label.”
6. Today a great deal of confusion reigns because socialists decided to deceptively call their own ideology liberal. And, to a very large degree, the academics who wrote the recent texts on liberalism were socialists. Hence they were quite willing to pretend that socialism was a modern form of classical liberalism.
7. [Classical] liberal describes individuals supporting free markets, private property, profit management and limited governments. o-called “liberals” support socialism, state ownership, bureaucratic management and statism. "

http://orlingrabbe.com/lfetimes/liberal_confusion.htm

Democracy & free markets vs socialism

Right wing Hollywood - Rotten Tomatoes Forum

 

[PoliticalChic]

Once upon a time it was a compliment to be a Liberal...you know, when they supported the first amendment, and America.....

The current crop, sadly, has found the road marked 'Fascist' more to their liking.

Once upon a time people understood what "Liberal" meant. You know, when they wrote the First Amendment, the entire Bill of Rights, the Constitution, and invented the United States, if not "America".

Indeed.

Those honored gentlemen had nothing in common with the current crop of twisted, moronic totalitarians who have requisitioned the name.

Nobody gets to requisition a name. Adjectives are for third-party observers, like us.
Some such as the OP are so wallowed in their own ignorance that they insist on pointing to a doughnut and calling it an "aardvark". Nothing we can do about self-delusion.

Gads, your insistence on lying is sickening.



"...six-time Socialist Party candidate for President [Norman Thomas] stated:

"The American people will never knowingly adopt socialism. But, under the name of 'liberalism,' they will adopt every fragment of the socialist program, until one day America will be a socialist nation, without knowing how it happened.... I no longer need to run as a Presidential Candidate for the Socialist Party. The Democratic Party has adopted our platform."

Democratic Party (DP) - Discover the Networks

 

[PoliticalChic]

"....a conservative solution. Go forth and take responsibility for making your own life better. In fact, the very reason that conservative minorities like Ben Carson, Ted Cruz and Herman Cain are hated by liberals is because they’re living examples of that message.


Meanwhile, how do liberals “help” minority Americans? How’s Compton looking these days? How about Chicago? Flint, Michigan? Liberal “help” means living in poverty in terrible neighborhoods, but always having someone else to blame for your failed life. It means feeling angry, victimized and hated by people who’ve never thought twice about you while liberals promise to help you by tearing down statues of Confederate generals."
It’s Better to be Hated by Liberals Than Have Their “Help.”



Gee.....no Liberal able to argue with Hawkins' thesis.

Must be true, huh?

 

[PoliticalChic]

"Transsexual men, you don’t have a mental illness! Mutilate yourself through surgery and libs will claim that the guys who don’t want to date you and the women who don’t want to share a bathroom with you are bigots! "
It’s Better to be Hated by Liberals Than Have Their “Help.”





✔@ZJemptv
I don't see a problem with telling straight guys who are exclusionary of trans women partners that they should try to work through that

6:51 PM - 1 Jul 2017


And
Zinnia Jones

✔@ZJemptv
Being exclusionary of trans women partners should be an outlier and marginal position for straight men, not some commonplace expectation

6:52 PM - 1 Jul 2017


and....

Zinnia Jones

✔@ZJemptv
These angry declarations that they have some absolute right to not want to be with trans women are just misplaced and inappropriate

6:53 PM - 1 Jul 2017

and....

Zinnia Jones

✔@ZJemptv
I also don't believe the blanket claim of "straight men don't want to be with someone who has a dick!"

6:56 PM - 1 Jul 2017

 

[Billy_Kinetta]

Once upon a time it was a compliment to be a Liberal...you know, when they supported the first amendment, and America.....

The current crop, sadly, has found the road marked 'Fascist' more to their liking.

Once upon a time people understood what "Liberal" meant. You know, when they wrote the First Amendment, the entire Bill of Rights, the Constitution, and invented the United States, if not "America".

Indeed.

Those honored gentlemen had nothing in common with the current crop of twisted, moronic totalitarians who have requisitioned the name.

Who gets more bitter AFTER they win an election?

hint: you people.

Bitter? Au contraire!

When in a street fight, kick your attacker until he stays on the ground.

 

[eddiew37]

Once upon a time it was a compliment to be a Liberal...you know, when they supported the first amendment, and America.....

The current crop, sadly, has found the road marked 'Fascist' more to their liking.

Once upon a time people understood what "Liberal" meant. You know, when they wrote the First Amendment, the entire Bill of Rights, the Constitution, and invented the United States, if not "America".

Indeed.

Those honored gentlemen had nothing in common with the current crop of twisted, moronic totalitarians who have requisitioned the name.

Who gets more bitter AFTER they win an election?

hint: you people.

Bitter? Au contraire!

When in a street fight, kick your attacker until he stays on the ground.

is your president dump kicking all those republicans blaming them for the mess he's made?

 

[Billy_Kinetta]

Once upon a time it was a compliment to be a Liberal...you know, when they supported the first amendment, and America.....

The current crop, sadly, has found the road marked 'Fascist' more to their liking.

Once upon a time people understood what "Liberal" meant. You know, when they wrote the First Amendment, the entire Bill of Rights, the Constitution, and invented the United States, if not "America".

Indeed.

Those honored gentlemen had nothing in common with the current crop of twisted, moronic totalitarians who have requisitioned the name.

Nobody gets to requisition a name.

Adjectives are for third-party observers, like us.

In the case of modern Democrats, it's a noun, and you people did. Now you are running from it. Funny, that.

 

[Billy_Kinetta]

Once upon a time it was a compliment to be a Liberal...you know, when they supported the first amendment, and America.....

The current crop, sadly, has found the road marked 'Fascist' more to their liking.

Once upon a time people understood what "Liberal" meant. You know, when they wrote the First Amendment, the entire Bill of Rights, the Constitution, and invented the United States, if not "America".

Indeed.

Those honored gentlemen had nothing in common with the current crop of twisted, moronic totalitarians who have requisitioned the name.

Who gets more bitter AFTER they win an election?

hint: you people.

Bitter? Au contraire!

When in a street fight, kick your attacker until he stays on the ground.

is your president dump kicking all those republicans blaming them for the mess he's made?

It seems he's kicking them for the mess they've made.

 

[eddiew37]

Once upon a time people understood what "Liberal" meant. You know, when they wrote the First Amendment, the entire Bill of Rights, the Constitution, and invented the United States, if not "America".

Indeed.

Those honored gentlemen had nothing in common with the current crop of twisted, moronic totalitarians who have requisitioned the name.

Who gets more bitter AFTER they win an election?

hint: you people.

Bitter? Au contraire!

When in a street fight, kick your attacker until he stays on the ground.

is your president dump kicking all those republicans blaming them for the mess he's made?

It seems he's kicking them for the mess they've made.

billy a degenerate liar like trump can never be trusted he blames everyone else for his mistakes

 

[PoliticalChic]

Apparently there are Liberals who tack closer to what they were before radicals assumed control:

Any who claim to be Liberals read this?

Or....is Coulter on target here:

"Liberals don't read books – they don't read anything … That's why they're liberals. They watch TV, absorb the propaganda, and vote on the basis of urges."

 

[PoliticalChic]

"Liberals will hand you welfare, food stamps and public housing.
You just have to give up your pride and self-reliance in exchange.

It’s like that scene from 300, where Xerxes says to Ephialtes, “Unlike the cruel Leonidas, who demanded that you stand, I require only that you kneel.”

It’s conservatives who want people to stand on their own two feet and liberals who need their adoration in return for their pathetic “help.”
It’s Better to be Hated by Liberals Than Have Their “Help.”



“I thought of what Daddy had said when I asked him why he’d never gone on public assistance. ‘Because they take away your manhood,’ he said.” – Clarence Thomas

 

[eddiew37]

Apparently there are Liberals who tack closer to what they were before radicals assumed control:

Any who claim to be Liberals read this?

Or....is Coulter on target here:

"Liberals don't read books – they don't read anything … That's why they're liberals. They watch TV, absorb the propaganda, and vote on the basis of urges."

Is there a bull shit emogi here?

 

[PoliticalChic]

Apparently there are Liberals who tack closer to what they were before radicals assumed control:

Any who claim to be Liberals read this?

Or....is Coulter on target here:

"Liberals don't read books – they don't read anything … That's why they're liberals. They watch TV, absorb the propaganda, and vote on the basis of urges."

Is there a bull shit emogi here?

Answer the question, so we can prove that I....and Coulter....are always right.


Did you read the book?

 

[Uncensored2008]

Once upon a time it was a compliment to be a Liberal...you know, when they supported the first amendment, and America.....

The current crop, sadly, has found the road marked 'Fascist' more to their liking.

Once upon a time people understood what "Liberal" meant. You know, when they wrote the First Amendment, the entire Bill of Rights, the Constitution, and invented the United States, if not "America".

The current crop of message board wags, sadly, has found mendacious disingenuousness more to their liking. Apparently they think it's a way they can disguise their own fascism and slip it in the back door, the first step being to demonize what got you here. Via a bizarre Doublethink wherein the term becomes its own opposite.

Been trying to do that since McCarthy, they have. And still getting the same results he did. They have, as an Army General put it, no sense of decency.


/thread

But YOU are NOT a liberal, you are a leftist, a Stalinist.

/thread

 

[PoliticalChic]

Once upon a time it was a compliment to be a Liberal...you know, when they supported the first amendment, and America.....

The current crop, sadly, has found the road marked 'Fascist' more to their liking.

Once upon a time people understood what "Liberal" meant. You know, when they wrote the First Amendment, the entire Bill of Rights, the Constitution, and invented the United States, if not "America".

The current crop of message board wags, sadly, has found mendacious disingenuousness more to their liking. Apparently they think it's a way they can disguise their own fascism and slip it in the back door, the first step being to demonize what got you here. Via a bizarre Doublethink wherein the term becomes its own opposite.

Been trying to do that since McCarthy, they have. And still getting the same results he did. They have, as an Army General put it, no sense of decency.


/thread

But YOU are NOT a liberal, you are a leftist, a Stalinist.

/thread

Do you have room to fit 'low-life lying Liberal scum' in that sentence?

 

[Uncensored2008]

Apparently there are Liberals who tack closer to what they were before radicals assumed control:

Any who claim to be Liberals read this?

Or....is Coulter on target here:

"Liberals don't read books – they don't read anything … That's why they're liberals. They watch TV, absorb the propaganda, and vote on the basis of urges."

Is there a bull shit emogi here?

Answer the question, so we can prove that I....and Coulter....are always right.


Did you read the book?

Eddie never finished "See Spot Run."

Reading is not the forte of the left. These are NOT smart people we are dealing with.

 

[PoliticalChic]

Apparently there are Liberals who tack closer to what they were before radicals assumed control:

Any who claim to be Liberals read this?

Or....is Coulter on target here:

"Liberals don't read books – they don't read anything … That's why they're liberals. They watch TV, absorb the propaganda, and vote on the basis of urges."

Is there a bull shit emogi here?

eddie......you didn't answer.

Now, don't slither off.....just admit that I had to put you in your place.....
.....again.

 

[PoliticalChic]

Apparently there are Liberals who tack closer to what they were before radicals assumed control:

Any who claim to be Liberals read this?

Or....is Coulter on target here:

"Liberals don't read books – they don't read anything … That's why they're liberals. They watch TV, absorb the propaganda, and vote on the basis of urges."

Is there a bull shit emogi here?

Answer the question, so we can prove that I....and Coulter....are always right.


Did you read the book?

Eddie never finished "See Spot Run."

Reading is not the forte of the left. These are NOT smart people we are dealing with.

I don't believe eddie....or many of the Liberals.....are really stupid.

Rather, they have turned over their ability to think, to disagree with, to confront, what Tocqueville referred to as “an immense, tutelary power, which takes sole charge of assuring their enjoyment and of watching over their fate,"......big government.



Alexis de Tocqueville, writing “Democracy in America” in the 1830’s, described “an immense, tutelary power, which takes sole charge of assuring their enjoyment and of watching over their fate.”

As he predicted, this power is “absolute, attentive to detail, regular, provident, and gentle,” and it “works willingly for their happiness, but it wishes to be the only agent and the sole arbiter of that happiness. It provides for their security, foresees and supplies their needs, guides them in their principal affairs, directs their industry, regulates their testaments, divides their inheritances.”

It is entirely proper to ask, as he asked, whether it can “relieve them entirely of the trouble of thinking and of the effort associated with living.”



I bet “Democracy in America” is yet another tome that eddie hasn't read.

 

[eddiew37]

Apparently there are Liberals who tack closer to what they were before radicals assumed control:

Any who claim to be Liberals read this?

Or....is Coulter on target here:

"Liberals don't read books – they don't read anything … That's why they're liberals. They watch TV, absorb the propaganda, and vote on the basis of urges."

Is there a bull shit emogi here?

Answer the question, so we can prove that I....and Coulter....are always right.


Did you read the book?

No can't say I did but shes crazier than a fruit cake