What would happen to the economy if minimum wages are raised?

[danielpalos]

why Any distinction? employment is at the will of either party, not just th employer for unemployment compensation purpose. only the right wing likes to "stack the deck" against Individuals, and claim they are just plain lazy.

why Any distinction?

Incentives. Trust funds. Economics.

employment is at the will of either party

Yup. You can quit anytime you want. In your case, you'd have to get a job first.

not just th employer for unemployment compensation purpose.

The employer can't deny you unemployment payments you deserve just as you can't collect unemployment payments you don't deserve. See how that works? Equal protection under the law.

our natural rights are not subject to a profit motive for the right. it is about socialism, the law, and our form of social Government; not, capitalism. In any case, correcting for that market based inefficiency can only engender a positive multiplier effect on our economy, since that money will be spent sooner, rather than later.

our natural rights are not subject to a profit motive for the right.

I agree. And they don't include unemployment benefits for quitting or never working.

engender a positive multiplier effect on our economy, since that money will be spent sooner, rather than later.

Handing free money to stoners is never going to be positive for our economy.

equality is a Social concept not a Capital concept; no wonder, the right, never gets it.

under truer forms of Capitalism, only Capital has to work, not fools or horses.

DUDE!

thanks for ceding the point, so we can move on.

 

[Toddsterpatriot]

why Any distinction?

Incentives. Trust funds. Economics.

employment is at the will of either party

Yup. You can quit anytime you want. In your case, you'd have to get a job first.

not just th employer for unemployment compensation purpose.

The employer can't deny you unemployment payments you deserve just as you can't collect unemployment payments you don't deserve. See how that works? Equal protection under the law.

our natural rights are not subject to a profit motive for the right. it is about socialism, the law, and our form of social Government; not, capitalism. In any case, correcting for that market based inefficiency can only engender a positive multiplier effect on our economy, since that money will be spent sooner, rather than later.

our natural rights are not subject to a profit motive for the right.

I agree. And they don't include unemployment benefits for quitting or never working.

engender a positive multiplier effect on our economy, since that money will be spent sooner, rather than later.

Handing free money to stoners is never going to be positive for our economy.

equality is a Social concept not a Capital concept; no wonder, the right, never gets it.

under truer forms of Capitalism, only Capital has to work, not fools or horses.

DUDE!

thanks for ceding the point, so we can move on.

I agree, you're a clown with no understanding of economics.
Or law. Or rights. Or incentives.

 

[danielpalos]

our natural rights are not subject to a profit motive for the right. it is about socialism, the law, and our form of social Government; not, capitalism. In any case, correcting for that market based inefficiency can only engender a positive multiplier effect on our economy, since that money will be spent sooner, rather than later.

our natural rights are not subject to a profit motive for the right.

I agree. And they don't include unemployment benefits for quitting or never working.

engender a positive multiplier effect on our economy, since that money will be spent sooner, rather than later.

Handing free money to stoners is never going to be positive for our economy.

equality is a Social concept not a Capital concept; no wonder, the right, never gets it.

under truer forms of Capitalism, only Capital has to work, not fools or horses.

DUDE!

thanks for ceding the point, so we can move on.

I agree, you're a clown with no understanding of economics.
Or law. Or rights. Or incentives.

dude; this is an example of why no one takes the right seriously about economics or the law.

engender a positive multiplier effect on our economy, since that money will be spent sooner, rather than later.

can you explain how that will not happen; ceteris paribus?

 

[hadit]

List the extra protections workers have compared to the unemployed.

unemployment compensation.

You said protection under law.
List the extra protections workers have compared to the unemployed.

unemployment compensation. Labor should be able to quit or not work, and collect unemployment compensation.

They can. It's called welfare.

that is not what welfare is for, or, it would not require means testing. Only the right wing, never gets it.

But that's what it is. Means testing is just one way to ensure those who need help get it while those who don't, don't take advantage of the system. Look at it this way, would you demand that Donald Trump get welfare benefits?

 

[danielpalos]

unemployment compensation.

You said protection under law.
List the extra protections workers have compared to the unemployed.

unemployment compensation. Labor should be able to quit or not work, and collect unemployment compensation.

They can. It's called welfare.

that is not what welfare is for, or, it would not require means testing. Only the right wing, never gets it.

But that's what it is. Means testing is just one way to ensure those who need help get it while those who don't, don't take advantage of the system. Look at it this way, would you demand that Donald Trump get welfare benefits?

it only requires it because it should be to help those for whom solving for a simple poverty of money, may not be enough. it is merely being misapplied and the right likes to complain about the Tax cost associated with that, misapplication.

 

[Toddsterpatriot]

our natural rights are not subject to a profit motive for the right.

I agree. And they don't include unemployment benefits for quitting or never working.

engender a positive multiplier effect on our economy, since that money will be spent sooner, rather than later.

Handing free money to stoners is never going to be positive for our economy.

equality is a Social concept not a Capital concept; no wonder, the right, never gets it.

under truer forms of Capitalism, only Capital has to work, not fools or horses.

DUDE!

thanks for ceding the point, so we can move on.

I agree, you're a clown with no understanding of economics.
Or law. Or rights. Or incentives.

dude; this is an example of why no one takes the right seriously about economics or the law.

engender a positive multiplier effect on our economy, since that money will be spent sooner, rather than later.

can you explain how that will not happen; ceteris paribus?

Taking money from productive members of society, to hand to stoners to spend, will not increase our economic output.

 

[hadit]

You said protection under law.
List the extra protections workers have compared to the unemployed.

unemployment compensation. Labor should be able to quit or not work, and collect unemployment compensation.

They can. It's called welfare.

that is not what welfare is for, or, it would not require means testing. Only the right wing, never gets it.

But that's what it is. Means testing is just one way to ensure those who need help get it while those who don't, don't take advantage of the system. Look at it this way, would you demand that Donald Trump get welfare benefits?

it only requires it because it should be to help those for whom solving for a simple poverty of money, may not be enough. it is merely being misapplied and the right likes to complain about the Tax cost associated with that, misapplication.

Would you demand that Donald Trump get welfare benefits?

 

[danielpalos]

equality is a Social concept not a Capital concept; no wonder, the right, never gets it.

under truer forms of Capitalism, only Capital has to work, not fools or horses.

DUDE!

thanks for ceding the point, so we can move on.

I agree, you're a clown with no understanding of economics.
Or law. Or rights. Or incentives.

dude; this is an example of why no one takes the right seriously about economics or the law.

engender a positive multiplier effect on our economy, since that money will be spent sooner, rather than later.

can you explain how that will not happen; ceteris paribus?

Taking money from productive members of society, to hand to stoners to spend, will not increase our economic output.

only the right, never gets it. money does not determine any form of social worth.

only Capital has to work under Any form of Capitalism.

 

[danielpalos]

unemployment compensation. Labor should be able to quit or not work, and collect unemployment compensation.

They can. It's called welfare.

that is not what welfare is for, or, it would not require means testing. Only the right wing, never gets it.

But that's what it is. Means testing is just one way to ensure those who need help get it while those who don't, don't take advantage of the system. Look at it this way, would you demand that Donald Trump get welfare benefits?

it only requires it because it should be to help those for whom solving for a simple poverty of money, may not be enough. it is merely being misapplied and the right likes to complain about the Tax cost associated with that, misapplication.

Would you demand that Donald Trump get welfare benefits?

no one is requiring Mr. Trump to exercise a work ethic from the Age of Iron, either.

why value a work ethic in modern times?

 

[Toddsterpatriot]

DUDE!

thanks for ceding the point, so we can move on.

I agree, you're a clown with no understanding of economics.
Or law. Or rights. Or incentives.

dude; this is an example of why no one takes the right seriously about economics or the law.

engender a positive multiplier effect on our economy, since that money will be spent sooner, rather than later.

can you explain how that will not happen; ceteris paribus?

Taking money from productive members of society, to hand to stoners to spend, will not increase our economic output.

only the right, never gets it. money does not determine any form of social worth.

only Capital has to work under Any form of Capitalism.

money does not determine any form of social worth.

You bet. And members of society have no inherent, unearned right to unemployment payments.

only Capital has to work under Any form of Capitalism.

Wrong. If you want a paycheck, you need to work.

 

[danielpalos]

thanks for ceding the point, so we can move on.

I agree, you're a clown with no understanding of economics.
Or law. Or rights. Or incentives.

dude; this is an example of why no one takes the right seriously about economics or the law.

engender a positive multiplier effect on our economy, since that money will be spent sooner, rather than later.

can you explain how that will not happen; ceteris paribus?

Taking money from productive members of society, to hand to stoners to spend, will not increase our economic output.

only the right, never gets it. money does not determine any form of social worth.

only Capital has to work under Any form of Capitalism.

money does not determine any form of social worth.

You bet. And members of society have no inherent, unearned right to unemployment payments.

only Capital has to work under Any form of Capitalism.

Wrong. If you want a paycheck, you need to work.

it is earned simply by being unemployed on an at-wil basis in any at-will employment State. why does the right condone trampling natural rights and Individual Liberty; and claim they are not really like that, when it is about guns?

 

[Toddsterpatriot]

I agree, you're a clown with no understanding of economics.
Or law. Or rights. Or incentives.

dude; this is an example of why no one takes the right seriously about economics or the law.

engender a positive multiplier effect on our economy, since that money will be spent sooner, rather than later.

can you explain how that will not happen; ceteris paribus?

Taking money from productive members of society, to hand to stoners to spend, will not increase our economic output.

only the right, never gets it. money does not determine any form of social worth.

only Capital has to work under Any form of Capitalism.

money does not determine any form of social worth.

You bet. And members of society have no inherent, unearned right to unemployment payments.

only Capital has to work under Any form of Capitalism.

Wrong. If you want a paycheck, you need to work.

it is earned simply by being unemployed on an at-wil basis in any at-will employment State. why does the right condone trampling natural rights and Individual Liberty; and claim they are not really like that, when it is about guns?

it is earned simply by being unemployed

BZZZZZT.....so sorry, thanks for playing.

 

[danielpalos]

dude; this is an example of why no one takes the right seriously about economics or the law.

engender a positive multiplier effect on our economy, since that money will be spent sooner, rather than later.

can you explain how that will not happen; ceteris paribus?

Taking money from productive members of society, to hand to stoners to spend, will not increase our economic output.

only the right, never gets it. money does not determine any form of social worth.

only Capital has to work under Any form of Capitalism.

money does not determine any form of social worth.

You bet. And members of society have no inherent, unearned right to unemployment payments.

only Capital has to work under Any form of Capitalism.

Wrong. If you want a paycheck, you need to work.

it is earned simply by being unemployed on an at-wil basis in any at-will employment State. why does the right condone trampling natural rights and Individual Liberty; and claim they are not really like that, when it is about guns?

it is earned simply by being unemployed

BZZZZZT.....so sorry, thanks for playing.

employment is at will. only the right, never gets it.

do you prefer crony capitalism over equal protection of the law?

 

[Toddsterpatriot]

Taking money from productive members of society, to hand to stoners to spend, will not increase our economic output.

only the right, never gets it. money does not determine any form of social worth.

only Capital has to work under Any form of Capitalism.

money does not determine any form of social worth.

You bet. And members of society have no inherent, unearned right to unemployment payments.

only Capital has to work under Any form of Capitalism.

Wrong. If you want a paycheck, you need to work.

it is earned simply by being unemployed on an at-wil basis in any at-will employment State. why does the right condone trampling natural rights and Individual Liberty; and claim they are not really like that, when it is about guns?

it is earned simply by being unemployed

BZZZZZT.....so sorry, thanks for playing.

employment is at will. only the right, never gets it.

do you prefer crony capitalism over equal protection of the law?

I just looked at the Bill of Rights, no mention of unemployment checks.
Where are you getting your info? Link?

 

[danielpalos]

only the right, never gets it. money does not determine any form of social worth.

only Capital has to work under Any form of Capitalism.

money does not determine any form of social worth.

You bet. And members of society have no inherent, unearned right to unemployment payments.

only Capital has to work under Any form of Capitalism.

Wrong. If you want a paycheck, you need to work.

it is earned simply by being unemployed on an at-wil basis in any at-will employment State. why does the right condone trampling natural rights and Individual Liberty; and claim they are not really like that, when it is about guns?

it is earned simply by being unemployed

BZZZZZT.....so sorry, thanks for playing.

employment is at will. only the right, never gets it.

do you prefer crony capitalism over equal protection of the law?

I just looked at the Bill of Rights, no mention of unemployment checks.
Where are you getting your info? Link?

equal protection of the law is part of Due Process. Only the right wing, never gets it.

 

[RodISHI]

With the exception of degree professionals/certificate/licensed, every job is low tech. Greed is why workers make crap today.

Skilled labor like plumbers welders and electricians are arguably more technical than a barista which is where most people with worthless degrees end up

But Baristas make more revenue for their employer. Besides, any corn hole can do all three jobs......Even you!

Really? You can wire and plumb a house to code?

I know I can because I wired and plumbed my own house you on the other hand I don't think you can

With a minimal amount of instruction, anyone can do what you did.

Then why is there a shortage of skilled labor? If it's soooo easy why bother to get a worthless BS in Psych and work as a counter schlep at Starbucks?

I do not think it is as much a shortage of 'skilled labor' as much as those with skills will not give away the talents that they already own to dickheads. Corporatism of allowing top board and ceo's to make multiple millions per year for doing nothing more than figuring out ways how to fuck someone else out of their money has the top ready to topple.

What most people that work for someone else do not realize is that when their paycheck goes up so goes the employers cost in taxes, insurance, etc...

What most managers do not understand is decent people that know what their labor is worth will tell them to go fuck themselves if they want that person to sign some bs contract that demands total loyalty for some shitty lil job.

 

[danielpalos]

Skilled labor like plumbers welders and electricians are arguably more technical than a barista which is where most people with worthless degrees end up

But Baristas make more revenue for their employer. Besides, any corn hole can do all three jobs......Even you!

Really? You can wire and plumb a house to code?

I know I can because I wired and plumbed my own house you on the other hand I don't think you can

With a minimal amount of instruction, anyone can do what you did.

Then why is there a shortage of skilled labor? If it's soooo easy why bother to get a worthless BS in Psych and work as a counter schlep at Starbucks?

I do not think it is as much a shortage of 'skilled labor' as much as those with skills will not give away the talents that they already own to dickheads. Corporatism of allowing top board and ceo's to make multiple millions per year for doing nothing more than figuring out ways how to fuck someone else out of their money has the top ready to topple.

What most people that work for someone else do not realize is that when their paycheck goes up so goes the employers cost in taxes, insurance, etc...

What most managers do not understand is decent people that know what their labor is worth will tell them to go fuck themselves if they want that person to sign some bs contract that demands total loyalty for some shitty lil job.

only wage slaves should have to do that. we have laws regarding employment at will; why be unequal in their application regarding the least wealthy under our form of Capitalism.

 

[Toddsterpatriot]

money does not determine any form of social worth.

You bet. And members of society have no inherent, unearned right to unemployment payments.

only Capital has to work under Any form of Capitalism.

Wrong. If you want a paycheck, you need to work.

it is earned simply by being unemployed on an at-wil basis in any at-will employment State. why does the right condone trampling natural rights and Individual Liberty; and claim they are not really like that, when it is about guns?

it is earned simply by being unemployed

BZZZZZT.....so sorry, thanks for playing.

employment is at will. only the right, never gets it.

do you prefer crony capitalism over equal protection of the law?

I just looked at the Bill of Rights, no mention of unemployment checks.
Where are you getting your info? Link?

equal protection of the law is part of Due Process. Only the right wing, never gets it.

So no link? No proof? Thanks for admitting your error.

 

[RodISHI]

But Baristas make more revenue for their employer. Besides, any corn hole can do all three jobs......Even you!

Really? You can wire and plumb a house to code?

I know I can because I wired and plumbed my own house you on the other hand I don't think you can

With a minimal amount of instruction, anyone can do what you did.

Then why is there a shortage of skilled labor? If it's soooo easy why bother to get a worthless BS in Psych and work as a counter schlep at Starbucks?

I do not think it is as much a shortage of 'skilled labor' as much as those with skills will not give away the talents that they already own to dickheads. Corporatism of allowing top board and ceo's to make multiple millions per year for doing nothing more than figuring out ways how to fuck someone else out of their money has the top ready to topple.

What most people that work for someone else do not realize is that when their paycheck goes up so goes the employers cost in taxes, insurance, etc...

What most managers do not understand is decent people that know what their labor is worth will tell them to go fuck themselves if they want that person to sign some bs contract that demands total loyalty for some shitty lil job.

only wage slaves should have to do that. we have laws regarding employment at will; why be unequal in their application regarding the least wealthy under our form of Capitalism.

Depending on which state one lives and works in in many cases state agencies that are suppose to protect the workers obviously are not always doing their jobs in protecting workers. I know hard to fathom but that is the way it is.

Personally I rarely worked for someone else over the years but those few experiences and knowing family and friends that do work for others and owning several businesses (small and mid size) over the years kind of puts those things into perspective. Corporatism and cronyism puts people into positions where they are clueless and then they wonder how things get f'd up.

 

[GHook93]

Jobs would be cut, investment diminished.

It's the value of the work that determines the pay.

Employees make all of the monies for employers. If you cut employees you make less money.

Spoken like a minimum wage worker who doesn't know a thing about business


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