What would happen to the economy if minimum wages are raised?

[danielpalos]

Like when Trump gets his VP to pay $8,500 per worker to stay in the USA?

Well that wasn't exactly wage. Overpaying and underpaying workers are both dangerous.

management does it all the time.

 

[danielpalos]

why do you believe that?

Because it's true.

micromanaging our tax codes is similar; and, our legislators enjoy it.

Your point?

equilibrium could be, whatever a gramaton cleric says it is.

 

[danielpalos]

Minimum wage:

1) makes it illegal to employ people not worth minimum wage
2) raises prices for poor people who often shop where minimum wage folks work
3) speeds up automation and replacement of minimum wage jobs
4) teaches people that you get ahead with govt violence rather than being worth more
5) raises prices, reduces demand, and thus reduces employment
6) makes American workers even less competitive with foreign workers
7) makes a huge % of work force (42%) minimum age workers with no incentive to improve their skills.

7) makes a huge % of work force (42%) minimum age workers with no incentive to improve their skills.

In 2014, 77.2 million workers age 16 and older in the United States were paid at hourly rates, representing 58.7 percent of all wage and salary workers. Among those paid by the hour, 1.3 million earned exactly the prevailing federal minimum wage of $7.25 per hour. About 1.7 million had wages below the federal minimum.

https://www.bls.gov/opub/reports/mi...racteristics-of-minimum-wage-workers-2014.pdf

3 million workers is less than 2% of the labor force, not 42%.

it is all irrelevant. we don't need to keep wages lower, they need to outpace inflation. the rest of your points are just as obsolete.

 

[danielpalos]

Minimum wage:

1) makes it illegal to employ people not worth minimum wage
2) raises prices for poor people who often shop where minimum wage folks work
3) speeds up automation and replacement of minimum wage jobs
4) teaches people that you get ahead with govt violence rather than being worth more
5) raises prices, reduces demand, and thus reduces employment
6) makes American workers even less competitive with foreign workers
7) makes a huge % of work force (42%) minimum age workers with no incentive to improve their skills.

7) makes a huge % of work force (42%) minimum age workers with no incentive to improve their skills.

In 2014, 77.2 million workers age 16 and older in the United States were paid at hourly rates, representing 58.7 percent of all wage and salary workers. Among those paid by the hour, 1.3 million earned exactly the prevailing federal minimum wage of $7.25 per hour. About 1.7 million had wages below the federal minimum.

https://www.bls.gov/opub/reports/mi...racteristics-of-minimum-wage-workers-2014.pdf

3 million workers is less than 2% of the labor force, not 42%.

I guess I was thinking of the $15 MW campaign. If raised to that 42% of work force would be covered

it is why we need to improve our social skill sets and provide recourse to unemployment compensation at fourteen dollars an hour, so a work ethic can compete more effectively.

 

[danielpalos]

Jobs would be cut, investment diminished.

It's the value of the work that determines the pay.

BS, if the value of the job determined the pay, CEOs wouldn't be making several hundred times what their employees make and a man with a helmet defending a football wouldn't be making $millions while a man with a helmet defending our country barely makes a living.

Take a good CEO out of a company and the company fails. I saw it happen first hand at Circuit City, which went from a $10 billion company to nothing in a short period of time. As for entertainment figures making a lot of money, that's a function of the market too. When millions of people want to watch you or listen to you do something, you can make a lot of money charging them for the privilege. If millions of people wanted to watch soldiers living and fighting in a desert, soldiers would make a lot of money too.

The point is that the value of the work does not determine the pay.

some Persons can command their wage.

 

[Toddsterpatriot]

So no link? No proof? Thanks for admitting your error.

equal protection of the law is about Due Process.

Yes, your lack of proof is noted.

your ignorance of the law is duly noted.

why do you believe, equal protection of the law is not a part of Due Process?

Yes, your inability to post the law which states you deserve unemployment payments is noted.

there is no basis to deny unemployment in an at-will employment State if you are not employed.

employment at will, is simply that. it also, public policy.

there is no basis to deny unemployment in an at-will employment State if you are not employed.

There are several good reasons to deny unemployment.

 

[danielpalos]

equal protection of the law is about Due Process.

Yes, your lack of proof is noted.

your ignorance of the law is duly noted.

why do you believe, equal protection of the law is not a part of Due Process?

Yes, your inability to post the law which states you deserve unemployment payments is noted.

there is no basis to deny unemployment in an at-will employment State if you are not employed.

employment at will, is simply that. it also, public policy.

there is no basis to deny unemployment in an at-will employment State if you are not employed.

There are several good reasons to deny unemployment.

sure; when EDD can show for-Cause employment and breach of contract.

 

[Toddsterpatriot]

But that's what it is. Means testing is just one way to ensure those who need help get it while those who don't, don't take advantage of the system. Look at it this way, would you demand that Donald Trump get welfare benefits?

it only requires it because it should be to help those for whom solving for a simple poverty of money, may not be enough. it is merely being misapplied and the right likes to complain about the Tax cost associated with that, misapplication.

Would you demand that Donald Trump get welfare benefits?

no one is requiring Mr. Trump to exercise a work ethic from the Age of Iron, either.

why value a work ethic in modern times?

You're dodging the question. Tell you what, don't have a work ethic and don't work. You have that freedom, you know. Of course, you have to handle the consequences of that decision, but that's what freedom is. So, for the third time, would you demand that Donald Trump get welfare benefits?

the consequences are recourse to the law. the law is employment at will. only the right wing, never gets it.

how is that relevant?

who cares how much Mr. Trump makes or how much he works for it? only nosey right wingers gossip about stuff like that.

the law is employment at will.

The law is not unemployment benefits at will.

 

[Toddsterpatriot]

Minimum wage:

1) makes it illegal to employ people not worth minimum wage
2) raises prices for poor people who often shop where minimum wage folks work
3) speeds up automation and replacement of minimum wage jobs
4) teaches people that you get ahead with govt violence rather than being worth more
5) raises prices, reduces demand, and thus reduces employment
6) makes American workers even less competitive with foreign workers
7) makes a huge % of work force (42%) minimum age workers with no incentive to improve their skills.

7) makes a huge % of work force (42%) minimum age workers with no incentive to improve their skills.

In 2014, 77.2 million workers age 16 and older in the United States were paid at hourly rates, representing 58.7 percent of all wage and salary workers. Among those paid by the hour, 1.3 million earned exactly the prevailing federal minimum wage of $7.25 per hour. About 1.7 million had wages below the federal minimum.

https://www.bls.gov/opub/reports/mi...racteristics-of-minimum-wage-workers-2014.pdf

3 million workers is less than 2% of the labor force, not 42%.

it is all irrelevant. we don't need to keep wages lower, they need to outpace inflation. the rest of your points are just as obsolete.

we don't need to keep wages lower, they need to outpace inflation.

Wages don't need to do anything.

 

[danielpalos]

it only requires it because it should be to help those for whom solving for a simple poverty of money, may not be enough. it is merely being misapplied and the right likes to complain about the Tax cost associated with that, misapplication.

Would you demand that Donald Trump get welfare benefits?

no one is requiring Mr. Trump to exercise a work ethic from the Age of Iron, either.

why value a work ethic in modern times?

You're dodging the question. Tell you what, don't have a work ethic and don't work. You have that freedom, you know. Of course, you have to handle the consequences of that decision, but that's what freedom is. So, for the third time, would you demand that Donald Trump get welfare benefits?

the consequences are recourse to the law. the law is employment at will. only the right wing, never gets it.

how is that relevant?

who cares how much Mr. Trump makes or how much he works for it? only nosey right wingers gossip about stuff like that.

the law is employment at will.

The law is not unemployment benefits at will.

that law is not Constitutional since it denies and disparages equal protection.

 

[danielpalos]

Minimum wage:

1) makes it illegal to employ people not worth minimum wage
2) raises prices for poor people who often shop where minimum wage folks work
3) speeds up automation and replacement of minimum wage jobs
4) teaches people that you get ahead with govt violence rather than being worth more
5) raises prices, reduces demand, and thus reduces employment
6) makes American workers even less competitive with foreign workers
7) makes a huge % of work force (42%) minimum age workers with no incentive to improve their skills.

7) makes a huge % of work force (42%) minimum age workers with no incentive to improve their skills.

In 2014, 77.2 million workers age 16 and older in the United States were paid at hourly rates, representing 58.7 percent of all wage and salary workers. Among those paid by the hour, 1.3 million earned exactly the prevailing federal minimum wage of $7.25 per hour. About 1.7 million had wages below the federal minimum.

https://www.bls.gov/opub/reports/mi...racteristics-of-minimum-wage-workers-2014.pdf

3 million workers is less than 2% of the labor force, not 42%.

it is all irrelevant. we don't need to keep wages lower, they need to outpace inflation. the rest of your points are just as obsolete.

we don't need to keep wages lower, they need to outpace inflation.

Wages don't need to do anything.

yes, they do. capital must work under any form of Capitalism, not fools or horses.

 

[Toddsterpatriot]

Would you demand that Donald Trump get welfare benefits?

no one is requiring Mr. Trump to exercise a work ethic from the Age of Iron, either.

why value a work ethic in modern times?

You're dodging the question. Tell you what, don't have a work ethic and don't work. You have that freedom, you know. Of course, you have to handle the consequences of that decision, but that's what freedom is. So, for the third time, would you demand that Donald Trump get welfare benefits?

the consequences are recourse to the law. the law is employment at will. only the right wing, never gets it.

how is that relevant?

who cares how much Mr. Trump makes or how much he works for it? only nosey right wingers gossip about stuff like that.

the law is employment at will.

The law is not unemployment benefits at will.

that law is not Constitutional since it denies and disparages equal protection.

The Constitution does not mandate unemployment payments for people who quit or never worked.

 

[Toddsterpatriot]

Minimum wage:

1) makes it illegal to employ people not worth minimum wage
2) raises prices for poor people who often shop where minimum wage folks work
3) speeds up automation and replacement of minimum wage jobs
4) teaches people that you get ahead with govt violence rather than being worth more
5) raises prices, reduces demand, and thus reduces employment
6) makes American workers even less competitive with foreign workers
7) makes a huge % of work force (42%) minimum age workers with no incentive to improve their skills.

7) makes a huge % of work force (42%) minimum age workers with no incentive to improve their skills.

In 2014, 77.2 million workers age 16 and older in the United States were paid at hourly rates, representing 58.7 percent of all wage and salary workers. Among those paid by the hour, 1.3 million earned exactly the prevailing federal minimum wage of $7.25 per hour. About 1.7 million had wages below the federal minimum.

https://www.bls.gov/opub/reports/mi...racteristics-of-minimum-wage-workers-2014.pdf

3 million workers is less than 2% of the labor force, not 42%.

it is all irrelevant. we don't need to keep wages lower, they need to outpace inflation. the rest of your points are just as obsolete.

we don't need to keep wages lower, they need to outpace inflation.

Wages don't need to do anything.

yes, they do. capital must work under any form of Capitalism, not fools or horses.

Nope. You have to work, under capitalism. We're not going to hand you money for your dope.

 

[danielpalos]

no one is requiring Mr. Trump to exercise a work ethic from the Age of Iron, either.

why value a work ethic in modern times?

You're dodging the question. Tell you what, don't have a work ethic and don't work. You have that freedom, you know. Of course, you have to handle the consequences of that decision, but that's what freedom is. So, for the third time, would you demand that Donald Trump get welfare benefits?

the consequences are recourse to the law. the law is employment at will. only the right wing, never gets it.

how is that relevant?

who cares how much Mr. Trump makes or how much he works for it? only nosey right wingers gossip about stuff like that.

the law is employment at will.

The law is not unemployment benefits at will.

that law is not Constitutional since it denies and disparages equal protection.

The Constitution does not mandate unemployment payments for people who quit or never worked.

Our Constitution secures equal protection of the law. the is employment at will.

 

[danielpalos]

Minimum wage:

1) makes it illegal to employ people not worth minimum wage
2) raises prices for poor people who often shop where minimum wage folks work
3) speeds up automation and replacement of minimum wage jobs
4) teaches people that you get ahead with govt violence rather than being worth more
5) raises prices, reduces demand, and thus reduces employment
6) makes American workers even less competitive with foreign workers
7) makes a huge % of work force (42%) minimum age workers with no incentive to improve their skills.

7) makes a huge % of work force (42%) minimum age workers with no incentive to improve their skills.

In 2014, 77.2 million workers age 16 and older in the United States were paid at hourly rates, representing 58.7 percent of all wage and salary workers. Among those paid by the hour, 1.3 million earned exactly the prevailing federal minimum wage of $7.25 per hour. About 1.7 million had wages below the federal minimum.

https://www.bls.gov/opub/reports/mi...racteristics-of-minimum-wage-workers-2014.pdf

3 million workers is less than 2% of the labor force, not 42%.

it is all irrelevant. we don't need to keep wages lower, they need to outpace inflation. the rest of your points are just as obsolete.

we don't need to keep wages lower, they need to outpace inflation.

Wages don't need to do anything.

yes, they do. capital must work under any form of Capitalism, not fools or horses.

Nope. You have to work, under capitalism. We're not going to hand you money for your dope.

that is why no one takes the right seriously about economics. Only Capital has to work under Any form of Capitalism.

 

[Toddsterpatriot]

You're dodging the question. Tell you what, don't have a work ethic and don't work. You have that freedom, you know. Of course, you have to handle the consequences of that decision, but that's what freedom is. So, for the third time, would you demand that Donald Trump get welfare benefits?

the consequences are recourse to the law. the law is employment at will. only the right wing, never gets it.

how is that relevant?

who cares how much Mr. Trump makes or how much he works for it? only nosey right wingers gossip about stuff like that.

the law is employment at will.

The law is not unemployment benefits at will.

that law is not Constitutional since it denies and disparages equal protection.

The Constitution does not mandate unemployment payments for people who quit or never worked.

Our Constitution secures equal protection of the law. the is employment at will.

Our Constitution secures equal protection of the law.

Yup.
Employed people who are laid off have earned and are eligible for unemployment compensation, under law.
Employed people who quit are not eligible for unemployment compensation, under law.
People who never worked are not eligible for unemployment compensation, under law.

the is employment at will.

Employment at will simply means "the employer does not have to have good cause to terminate your employment. Most employers take advantage of this protection. Unless you signed some sort of employment contract that states you cannot be terminated without good cause, it is assumed that you are an at-will employee"

At-Will Employee FAQ's - FindLaw

 

[Toddsterpatriot]

7) makes a huge % of work force (42%) minimum age workers with no incentive to improve their skills.

In 2014, 77.2 million workers age 16 and older in the United States were paid at hourly rates, representing 58.7 percent of all wage and salary workers. Among those paid by the hour, 1.3 million earned exactly the prevailing federal minimum wage of $7.25 per hour. About 1.7 million had wages below the federal minimum.

https://www.bls.gov/opub/reports/mi...racteristics-of-minimum-wage-workers-2014.pdf

3 million workers is less than 2% of the labor force, not 42%.

it is all irrelevant. we don't need to keep wages lower, they need to outpace inflation. the rest of your points are just as obsolete.

we don't need to keep wages lower, they need to outpace inflation.

Wages don't need to do anything.

yes, they do. capital must work under any form of Capitalism, not fools or horses.

Nope. You have to work, under capitalism. We're not going to hand you money for your dope.

that is why no one takes the right seriously about economics. Only Capital has to work under Any form of Capitalism.

that is why no one takes the right seriously about economics.

No one takes you seriously about economics, because it's clear you have no understanding of the issue.
No one takes you seriously about the law, because it's clear you have no understanding of the issue.
No one takes you seriously about capitalism, because it's clear you have no understanding of the issue.

 

[danielpalos]

the consequences are recourse to the law. the law is employment at will. only the right wing, never gets it.

how is that relevant?

who cares how much Mr. Trump makes or how much he works for it? only nosey right wingers gossip about stuff like that.

the law is employment at will.

The law is not unemployment benefits at will.

that law is not Constitutional since it denies and disparages equal protection.

The Constitution does not mandate unemployment payments for people who quit or never worked.

Our Constitution secures equal protection of the law. the is employment at will.

Our Constitution secures equal protection of the law.

Yup.
Employed people who are laid off have earned and are eligible for unemployment compensation, under law.
Employed people who quit are not eligible for unemployment compensation, under law.
People who never worked are not eligible for unemployment compensation, under law.

the is employment at will.

Employment at will simply means "the employer does not have to have good cause to terminate your employment. Most employers take advantage of this protection. Unless you signed some sort of employment contract that states you cannot be terminated without good cause, it is assumed that you are an at-will employee"

At-Will Employee FAQ's - FindLaw

equal protection of the law is not negotiable.

 

[danielpalos]

it is all irrelevant. we don't need to keep wages lower, they need to outpace inflation. the rest of your points are just as obsolete.

we don't need to keep wages lower, they need to outpace inflation.

Wages don't need to do anything.

yes, they do. capital must work under any form of Capitalism, not fools or horses.

Nope. You have to work, under capitalism. We're not going to hand you money for your dope.

that is why no one takes the right seriously about economics. Only Capital has to work under Any form of Capitalism.

that is why no one takes the right seriously about economics.

No one takes you seriously about economics, because it's clear you have no understanding of the issue.
No one takes you seriously about the law, because it's clear you have no understanding of the issue.
No one takes you seriously about capitalism, because it's clear you have no understanding of the issue.

you have nothing but diversion.

 

[Toddsterpatriot]

the law is employment at will.

The law is not unemployment benefits at will.

that law is not Constitutional since it denies and disparages equal protection.

The Constitution does not mandate unemployment payments for people who quit or never worked.

Our Constitution secures equal protection of the law. the is employment at will.

Our Constitution secures equal protection of the law.

Yup.
Employed people who are laid off have earned and are eligible for unemployment compensation, under law.
Employed people who quit are not eligible for unemployment compensation, under law.
People who never worked are not eligible for unemployment compensation, under law.

the is employment at will.

Employment at will simply means "the employer does not have to have good cause to terminate your employment. Most employers take advantage of this protection. Unless you signed some sort of employment contract that states you cannot be terminated without good cause, it is assumed that you are an at-will employee"

At-Will Employee FAQ's - FindLaw

equal protection of the law is not negotiable.

And it's not violated by unemployment benefits.