Where do you stand on State succession?

[Nosmo King]

Running away isn't a good indication that you're winning the argument.

I lack the will to educate you after your inculcation of right wing propaganda. It's the intellectual equivalent of pushing back the incoming tide with a whisk broom.

You mean you realize that I'm not susceptible to left-wing bullshit.

You're susceptible to any and all bullshit. Facts and truths are where your acceptance levels drop like the stock market in 1929. Telling you anything like the truth is a fool's errand.

 

[Contumacious]

For most of my life, I could not have contemplated the idea that I would support such a thing. But the curve of the country towards socialism and away from liberty is so steep that I would now not only embrace the idea, but move to a State that secession. What say you?

I support the STATES' ABSOLUTE RIGHT TO SECEDE.

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[NYcarbineer]

That argument has been shot down 1000 times.



Only so long as it remains part of the union.

I'm a resident of New York State, but I'm a citizen of the United States. No state government has the right to revoke my U.S. citizenship,

and everything that comes with that.

Who says they are going to revoke your citizenship? However, that doesn't stop them from seceding. Anyone who wants to remain a citizen of the USA is free to do so.

And if the new 'country' does not protect my rights guaranteed under the US Constitution?

 

[freedombecki]

For most of my life, I could not have contemplated the idea that I would support such a thing. But the curve of the country towards socialism and away from liberty is so steep that I would now not only embrace the idea, but move to a State that secession. What say you?

We could swap out Texas for Puerto Rico and never have to change the flag.

I think California and New York should just take over things and say unless you want to starve or go back to the dark ages, step in line and do as we say.

I nominate hazlnut to be the first rickshaw slave in the new world order that has no electric lights and no cars, to save energy.

 

[NYcarbineer]

If a state seceded, the US government would not recognize it. The fed could simply declare the state to be in rebellion, and,

For starters, the US government could abolish every federal government job in that state,

cancel every government contract going to businesses in that state, close every federal building and installation,

including all military bases in that state,

and then suspend all federal government payments to residents of that state,

not the least of which would be Social Security and Medicare.

Actually, it can't do the later if they retain their US citizenship. As for the rest, go right ahead. So long as they are free of the yoke of the federal government.

Sure they could. Social Security and Medicare would not have to paid to people living in a state in rebellion.

Besides, who would enforce the requirement to make those payments if the federal government suspended them?

 

[bendog]

It's interesting that the arguments for are not really any different from those in 1860. Progressives are disenfranchising " conservatives", (i.e. rebels, and taking economic rights and political power from them are the radicals' grievances.

It's completely different. In 1860, the secessionists wanted to maintain slavery. Today, we want freedom from it. What you call progressives in 1860 where not socialists like the progressives are today.

No in 1860, we in the South did not want progressives to interfer with our right to our private property, e.g. our slaves. We did not want an influx of immigrants from europe, diluting our political power in terms of apportionment of senators, and we demanded an legal right to retain a 1-1 ratio of southern/northern senators.

It's the same.

 

[Contumacious]

I'm a resident of New York State, but I'm a citizen of the United States. No state government has the right to revoke my U.S. citizenship,

and everything that comes with that.

Who says they are going to revoke your citizenship? However, that doesn't stop them from seceding. Anyone who wants to remain a citizen of the USA is free to do so.

And if the new 'country' does not protect my rights guaranteed under the US Constitution?

The present US does NOT protect your rights under the Constitution. If by rights you mean life, liberty, property and to pursue happiness.

If by rights you mean the "right" to steal , loot and plunder your neighbor's wealth in order for the state to feed and insure you then hopefully your will remain in the socialist paradise where you reside.

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[KNB]

This matter was settled in the 1860s. The Confederacy lost. We're a Union. Get used to it.

 

[bripat9643]

I'm a resident of New York State, but I'm a citizen of the United States. No state government has the right to revoke my U.S. citizenship,

and everything that comes with that.

Who says they are going to revoke your citizenship? However, that doesn't stop them from seceding. Anyone who wants to remain a citizen of the USA is free to do so.

And if the new 'country' does not protect my rights guaranteed under the US Constitution?

What happens when Saudi Arabia doesn't protect your rights guaranteed under the US Constitution?

 

[Seawytch]

Of course states should succeed whenever they can, secede never. Succeeding is good seceding is treason.

 

[Contumacious]

This matter was settled in the 1860s. The Confederacy lost. We're a Union. Get used to it.

I believe that they are demanding a rematch.

More advanced weapons, IED's , the conviction to be free, now Texas is a powerhouse which can easily defeat any of the sissified states in Yankeeland.

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[bripat9643]

If a state seceded, the US government would not recognize it. The fed could simply declare the state to be in rebellion, and,

For starters, the US government could abolish every federal government job in that state,

cancel every government contract going to businesses in that state, close every federal building and installation,

including all military bases in that state,

and then suspend all federal government payments to residents of that state,

not the least of which would be Social Security and Medicare.

Actually, it can't do the later if they retain their US citizenship. As for the rest, go right ahead. So long as they are free of the yoke of the federal government.

Sure they could. Social Security and Medicare would not have to paid to people living in a state in rebellion.

Nope. That would violate their Constitutional rights. Expatriates living in Panama are still entitled to collect their social security. However, so long as you are a U.S. citizen, you are still obligated to pay U.S. income taxes.

Besides, who would enforce the requirement to make those payments if the federal government suspended them?

Good question. Who enforces them now?

 

[Seawytch]

This matter was settled in the 1860s. The Confederacy lost. We're a Union. Get used to it.

I believe that they are demanding a rematch.



More advanced weapons, IED's , the conviction to be free, now Texas is a powerhouse which can easily defeat any of the sissified states in Yankeeland.



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The Feds own the big guns. If you secede, you don't get to keep them.

 

[Contumacious]

This matter was settled in the 1860s. The Confederacy lost. We're a Union. Get used to it.

I believe that they are demanding a rematch.



More advanced weapons, IED's , the conviction to be free, now Texas is a powerhouse which can easily defeat any of the sissified states in Yankeeland.



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The Feds own the big guns. If you secede, you don't get to keep them.

We can use Texas Petrodollars to buy weapons from the Russkies and the Mexican Mafia. They are not going to use nuclear power against us.

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[candycorn]

I support people who think a state should secede from the United States, gather up their belongings and leave the United States.

Somehow, they never seem to actually leave

 

[007]

For most of my life, I could not have contemplated the idea that I would support such a thing. But the curve of the country towards socialism and away from liberty is so steep that I would now not only embrace the idea, but move to a State that secession. What say you?

We could swap out Texas for Puerto Rico and never have to change the flag.

I think California and New York should just take over things and say unless you want to starve or go back to the dark ages, step in line and do as we say.

Really? Just how many FARMS and CATTLE RANCHES are IN CHICAGO? Where in the FUCK do you think FOOD COMES FROM you ignorant fucking SHIT STAIN?

YOU, get it, YOU filthy LIBTARD morons in the CITY will be the ones that STARVE.

Holy SHIT man, get a fucking CLUE!

 

[blackhawk]

I find the whole idea extremely silly.

 

[Uncensored2008]

All states should succeed!

All people in all states should succeed!

Work hard, play smart, and you'll succeed!

 

[007]

I support people who think a state should secede from the United States, gather up their belongings and leave the United States.

Somehow, they never seem to actually leave

You could have said the same about the founding fathers before the Revolutionary War.... "somehow, they never seem to fight back," but they eventually did, didn't they, idiot.

 

[Contumacious]

For most of my life, I could not have contemplated the idea that I would support such a thing. But the curve of the country towards socialism and away from liberty is so steep that I would now not only embrace the idea, but move to a State that secession. What say you?

We could swap out Texas for Puerto Rico and never have to change the flag.

Puerto Rico

Texas

I think California and New York should just take over things and say unless you want to starve or go back to the dark ages, step in line and do as we say.

California and New York are the reasons they are seceding. Most of their citizens are moving to Texas. So you do the math.

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