Who Are The Palestinians? Part 2

[CMike]

Jordan/Palestine wouldn't have lost the land if it didn't attack Israel in 1967 for the purpose of annihilating it.

I doesn't get a redo now.

How can that be, the Israelis started the 1967 war. From the CIA website.

"Helms was awakened at 3:00 in the morning on 5 June by a call from the CIA Operations Center. The Foreign Broadcast Information Service had picked up reports that Israel had launched its attack. (OCI soon concluded that the Israelis— contrary to their claims—had fired first.) "

CIA Analysis of the 1967 Arab-Israeli War Central Intelligence Agency

Firing first does not mean they started the war, read about Operation Dawn and how the Russian ambassador woke Nasser in the early hours to tell him he was unable to support the attack on Israel planned for that day

Exactly right. Egypt was planning to attack Israel before Israel attacked in Operation Dawn. However, it was postponed.

One of my favorite parts was the US was neutral. They wouldn't even sell arms to Israel during this time.

Yet the arab countries after they got their butts kicked falsely accused the US of fighting alongside Israel.

 

[CMike]

I am not sure what your point is Rocco. By definition, the area that was geographically defined as Palestine by the text in the Mandate, is the area that is Palestine. The fact that a group of Europeans named a large part of it Israel doesn't change the borders of the Palestine described in the Mandate.

There never was an independent mulsim country names Palestine.

Actually the country of Palestine is called Jordan whose 60% of their population were from the British colony of Palestine.

 

[CMike]

montelatici, et al,

The territory to which the Mandate is applied.

No Rocco, The area for the territory of Trans-Jordanian was accounted for separately. A Mandate is a piece of paper not a territory.

"X.--TRANS-JORDANIA.

Included in the area of the Palestine Mandate is the territory of Trans-Jordania. It is bounded on the north by the frontier of Syria, placed under the mandate of France; on the south by the kingdom of the Hejaz; and on the west by the line of the Jordan and the Dead Sea; while on the east it stretches into the desert and ends--the boundary is not yet defined--where Mesopotamia begins. Trans-Jordania has a population of probably 350,000 people.

- See more at: Mandate for Palestine - Interim report of the Mandatory to the League of Nations Balfour Declaration text 30 July 1921

(CLARIFICATION)

M. ORTS quoted the end of the declaration of Lord Cushendun:

• • 
    "There should be no doubt at all in the minds of the members of the Council that my Government regards itself as responsible to the Council for the proper application in Trans-Jordan of all the provisions of the Palestine mandate, except those which have been excluded under Article 25."

- See more at: Mandate for Palestine - League of Nations 15th session - Minutes of the Permanent Mandates Commission 19 July 1929
​

Thus --- there should be no doubt in your mind.

Most Respectfully,
R

There should be no doubt in your mind that Trans-Jordania was accounted for as a separate territory with the mandate.

And that country is Palestine.

Obviously this has nothing to do with 1967 borders.

1) There was no call among the arabs for a "palestine" when Jordan controlled the territory

2) The arab countries wanted to kill all the Jews and destroy Israel before 1967.

 

[P F Tinmore]

montelatici, et al,

The territory to which the Mandate is applied.

No Rocco, The area for the territory of Trans-Jordanian was accounted for separately. A Mandate is a piece of paper not a territory.

"X.--TRANS-JORDANIA.

Included in the area of the Palestine Mandate is the territory of Trans-Jordania. It is bounded on the north by the frontier of Syria, placed under the mandate of France; on the south by the kingdom of the Hejaz; and on the west by the line of the Jordan and the Dead Sea; while on the east it stretches into the desert and ends--the boundary is not yet defined--where Mesopotamia begins. Trans-Jordania has a population of probably 350,000 people.

- See more at: Mandate for Palestine - Interim report of the Mandatory to the League of Nations Balfour Declaration text 30 July 1921

(CLARIFICATION)

M. ORTS quoted the end of the declaration of Lord Cushendun:

• • 
    "There should be no doubt at all in the minds of the members of the Council that my Government regards itself as responsible to the Council for the proper application in Trans-Jordan of all the provisions of the Palestine mandate, except those which have been excluded under Article 25."

- See more at: Mandate for Palestine - League of Nations 15th session - Minutes of the Permanent Mandates Commission 19 July 1929
​

Thus --- there should be no doubt in your mind.

Most Respectfully,
R

There should be no doubt in your mind that Trans-Jordania was accounted for as a separate territory with the mandate.

And that country is Palestine.

Obviously this has nothing to do with 1967 borders.

1) There was no call among the arabs for a "palestine" when Jordan controlled the territory

2) The arab countries wanted to kill all the Jews and destroy Israel before 1967.

1) There was no call among the arabs for a "palestine" when Jordan controlled the territory

Why would there be, or why should there be?

 

[CMike]

montelatici, et al,

The territory to which the Mandate is applied.

No Rocco, The area for the territory of Trans-Jordanian was accounted for separately. A Mandate is a piece of paper not a territory.

"X.--TRANS-JORDANIA.

Included in the area of the Palestine Mandate is the territory of Trans-Jordania. It is bounded on the north by the frontier of Syria, placed under the mandate of France; on the south by the kingdom of the Hejaz; and on the west by the line of the Jordan and the Dead Sea; while on the east it stretches into the desert and ends--the boundary is not yet defined--where Mesopotamia begins. Trans-Jordania has a population of probably 350,000 people.

- See more at: Mandate for Palestine - Interim report of the Mandatory to the League of Nations Balfour Declaration text 30 July 1921

(CLARIFICATION)

M. ORTS quoted the end of the declaration of Lord Cushendun:

• • 
    "There should be no doubt at all in the minds of the members of the Council that my Government regards itself as responsible to the Council for the proper application in Trans-Jordan of all the provisions of the Palestine mandate, except those which have been excluded under Article 25."

- See more at: Mandate for Palestine - League of Nations 15th session - Minutes of the Permanent Mandates Commission 19 July 1929
​

Thus --- there should be no doubt in your mind.

Most Respectfully,
R

There should be no doubt in your mind that Trans-Jordania was accounted for as a separate territory with the mandate.

And that country is Palestine.

Obviously this has nothing to do with 1967 borders.

1) There was no call among the arabs for a "palestine" when Jordan controlled the territory

2) The arab countries wanted to kill all the Jews and destroy Israel before 1967.

1) There was no call among the arabs for a "palestine" when Jordan controlled the territory

Why would there be, or why should there be?

Because the arabs supposedly consider that land palestine. Therefore under Jordanian rule they should also be demanding a free palestine.

But alas they didn't.

This shows that this was never about a land. It's about the arab government's refusal to recognize Israel in any form.

 

[ForeverYoung436]

montelatici, et al,

The territory to which the Mandate is applied.

No Rocco, The area for the territory of Trans-Jordanian was accounted for separately. A Mandate is a piece of paper not a territory.

"X.--TRANS-JORDANIA.

Included in the area of the Palestine Mandate is the territory of Trans-Jordania. It is bounded on the north by the frontier of Syria, placed under the mandate of France; on the south by the kingdom of the Hejaz; and on the west by the line of the Jordan and the Dead Sea; while on the east it stretches into the desert and ends--the boundary is not yet defined--where Mesopotamia begins. Trans-Jordania has a population of probably 350,000 people.

- See more at: Mandate for Palestine - Interim report of the Mandatory to the League of Nations Balfour Declaration text 30 July 1921

(CLARIFICATION)

M. ORTS quoted the end of the declaration of Lord Cushendun:

• • 
    "There should be no doubt at all in the minds of the members of the Council that my Government regards itself as responsible to the Council for the proper application in Trans-Jordan of all the provisions of the Palestine mandate, except those which have been excluded under Article 25."

- See more at: Mandate for Palestine - League of Nations 15th session - Minutes of the Permanent Mandates Commission 19 July 1929
​

Thus --- there should be no doubt in your mind.

Most Respectfully,
R

There should be no doubt in your mind that Trans-Jordania was accounted for as a separate territory with the mandate.

And that country is Palestine.

Obviously this has nothing to do with 1967 borders.

1) There was no call among the arabs for a "palestine" when Jordan controlled the territory

2) The arab countries wanted to kill all the Jews and destroy Israel before 1967.

1) There was no call among the arabs for a "palestine" when Jordan controlled the territory

Why would there be, or why should there be?

Umm, according to you Jordanians and Palestinians aren't the same people. In fact, I remember you saying that the Jordanians occupied part of Palestine at one point. So what are you talking about now? Have you changed your view and now agree with us that there is no difference between Jordanians and Palestinians?

 

[P F Tinmore]

montelatici, et al,

The territory to which the Mandate is applied.

No Rocco, The area for the territory of Trans-Jordanian was accounted for separately. A Mandate is a piece of paper not a territory.

"X.--TRANS-JORDANIA.

Included in the area of the Palestine Mandate is the territory of Trans-Jordania. It is bounded on the north by the frontier of Syria, placed under the mandate of France; on the south by the kingdom of the Hejaz; and on the west by the line of the Jordan and the Dead Sea; while on the east it stretches into the desert and ends--the boundary is not yet defined--where Mesopotamia begins. Trans-Jordania has a population of probably 350,000 people.

- See more at: Mandate for Palestine - Interim report of the Mandatory to the League of Nations Balfour Declaration text 30 July 1921

(CLARIFICATION)

M. ORTS quoted the end of the declaration of Lord Cushendun:

• • 
    "There should be no doubt at all in the minds of the members of the Council that my Government regards itself as responsible to the Council for the proper application in Trans-Jordan of all the provisions of the Palestine mandate, except those which have been excluded under Article 25."

- See more at: Mandate for Palestine - League of Nations 15th session - Minutes of the Permanent Mandates Commission 19 July 1929
​

Thus --- there should be no doubt in your mind.

Most Respectfully,
R

There should be no doubt in your mind that Trans-Jordania was accounted for as a separate territory with the mandate.

And that country is Palestine.

Obviously this has nothing to do with 1967 borders.

1) There was no call among the arabs for a "palestine" when Jordan controlled the territory

2) The arab countries wanted to kill all the Jews and destroy Israel before 1967.

1) There was no call among the arabs for a "palestine" when Jordan controlled the territory

Why would there be, or why should there be?

Because the arabs supposedly consider that land palestine. Therefore under Jordanian rule they should also be demanding a free palestine.

But alas they didn't.

This shows that this was never about a land. It's about the arab government's refusal to recognize Israel in any form.

But they did. They declared independence in 1948.

 

[CMike]

montelatici, et al,

The territory to which the Mandate is applied.

(CLARIFICATION)

M. ORTS quoted the end of the declaration of Lord Cushendun:

• • 
    "There should be no doubt at all in the minds of the members of the Council that my Government regards itself as responsible to the Council for the proper application in Trans-Jordan of all the provisions of the Palestine mandate, except those which have been excluded under Article 25."

- See more at: Mandate for Palestine - League of Nations 15th session - Minutes of the Permanent Mandates Commission 19 July 1929
​

Thus --- there should be no doubt in your mind.

Most Respectfully,
R

There should be no doubt in your mind that Trans-Jordania was accounted for as a separate territory with the mandate.

And that country is Palestine.

Obviously this has nothing to do with 1967 borders.

1) There was no call among the arabs for a "palestine" when Jordan controlled the territory

2) The arab countries wanted to kill all the Jews and destroy Israel before 1967.

1) There was no call among the arabs for a "palestine" when Jordan controlled the territory

Why would there be, or why should there be?

Because the arabs supposedly consider that land palestine. Therefore under Jordanian rule they should also be demanding a free palestine.

But alas they didn't.

This shows that this was never about a land. It's about the arab government's refusal to recognize Israel in any form.

But they did. They declared independence in 1948.

Which the arabs didn't recognize.

They attacked Israel the day Israel declared it's independence.

If they didn't recognize it when it occurred. It's too late to recognize it after they invaded and lost.

 

[P F Tinmore]

There should be no doubt in your mind that Trans-Jordania was accounted for as a separate territory with the mandate.

And that country is Palestine.

Obviously this has nothing to do with 1967 borders.

1) There was no call among the arabs for a "palestine" when Jordan controlled the territory

2) The arab countries wanted to kill all the Jews and destroy Israel before 1967.

1) There was no call among the arabs for a "palestine" when Jordan controlled the territory

Why would there be, or why should there be?

Because the arabs supposedly consider that land palestine. Therefore under Jordanian rule they should also be demanding a free palestine.

But alas they didn't.

This shows that this was never about a land. It's about the arab government's refusal to recognize Israel in any form.

But they did. They declared independence in 1948.

Which the arabs didn't recognize.

They attacked Israel the day Israel declared it's independence.

If they didn't recognize it when it occurred. It's too late to recognize it after they invaded and lost.

Five states recognized Palestine in 1948. Not that it matters. A state exists separate from recognition.

Israel wasn't attacked. The Arabs fought Israeli forces inside Palestine.

You need to read up.

 

[CMike]

And that country is Palestine.

Obviously this has nothing to do with 1967 borders.

1) There was no call among the arabs for a "palestine" when Jordan controlled the territory

2) The arab countries wanted to kill all the Jews and destroy Israel before 1967.

1) There was no call among the arabs for a "palestine" when Jordan controlled the territory

Why would there be, or why should there be?

Because the arabs supposedly consider that land palestine. Therefore under Jordanian rule they should also be demanding a free palestine.

But alas they didn't.

This shows that this was never about a land. It's about the arab government's refusal to recognize Israel in any form.

But they did. They declared independence in 1948.

Which the arabs didn't recognize.

They attacked Israel the day Israel declared it's independence.

If they didn't recognize it when it occurred. It's too late to recognize it after they invaded and lost.

Five states recognized Palestine in 1948. Not that it matters. A state exists separate from recognition.

Israel wasn't attacked. The Arabs fought Israeli forces inside Palestine.

You need to read up.

I am well read up.

The five armies invaded and attacked Israel for the sole purpose of annihilating her.

 

[RoccoR]

P F Tinmore, et al,

That is a misrepresentation of the facts.

And that country is Palestine.

Obviously this has nothing to do with 1967 borders.

1) There was no call among the arabs for a "palestine" when Jordan controlled the territory

2) The arab countries wanted to kill all the Jews and destroy Israel before 1967.

1) There was no call among the arabs for a "palestine" when Jordan controlled the territory

Why would there be, or why should there be?

Because the arabs supposedly consider that land palestine. Therefore under Jordanian rule they should also be demanding a free palestine.

But alas they didn't.

This shows that this was never about a land. It's about the arab government's refusal to recognize Israel in any form.

But they did. They declared independence in 1948.

Which the arabs didn't recognize.

They attacked Israel the day Israel declared it's independence.

If they didn't recognize it when it occurred. It's too late to recognize it after they invaded and lost.

Five states recognized Palestine in 1948. Not that it matters. A state exists separate from recognition.

Israel wasn't attacked. The Arabs fought Israeli forces inside Palestine.

You need to read up.

(COMMENT)

Israel, after the declaration -- but before the attack, conformed to the allocation derived from Resolution 181(II). Yes it was an allocated portion of the territory to which the Mandate applied. And it was not sovereign Arab territory. Once the Provisional Government exercised their right to self-determination, in accordance with the instructions under the Partition Plan, that territory was no longer the former territory to which the Mandate for Palestine applied, but became the Jewish State pursuant to the Partition Plan.

The multination Arab Force was attacking the Newly Established State of Israel, and not Palestine --- not matter how it is framed.

Most Respectfully,
R

 

[P F Tinmore]

1) There was no call among the arabs for a "palestine" when Jordan controlled the territory

Why would there be, or why should there be?

Because the arabs supposedly consider that land palestine. Therefore under Jordanian rule they should also be demanding a free palestine.

But alas they didn't.

This shows that this was never about a land. It's about the arab government's refusal to recognize Israel in any form.

But they did. They declared independence in 1948.

Which the arabs didn't recognize.

They attacked Israel the day Israel declared it's independence.

If they didn't recognize it when it occurred. It's too late to recognize it after they invaded and lost.

Five states recognized Palestine in 1948. Not that it matters. A state exists separate from recognition.

Israel wasn't attacked. The Arabs fought Israeli forces inside Palestine.

You need to read up.

I am well read up.

The five armies invaded and attacked Israel for the sole purpose of annihilating her.

On 15 May 1948 the ongoing civil war transformed into an inter-state conflict between Israel and the Arab states, following the Israeli Declaration of Independence the previous day. A combined invasion by Egypt, Jordan and Syria, together with expeditionary forces from Iraq, entered Palestine -

1948 Arab Israeli War - Wikipedia the free encyclopedia

 

[P F Tinmore]

P F Tinmore, et al,

That is a misrepresentation of the facts.

1) There was no call among the arabs for a "palestine" when Jordan controlled the territory

Why would there be, or why should there be?

Because the arabs supposedly consider that land palestine. Therefore under Jordanian rule they should also be demanding a free palestine.

But alas they didn't.

This shows that this was never about a land. It's about the arab government's refusal to recognize Israel in any form.

But they did. They declared independence in 1948.

Which the arabs didn't recognize.

They attacked Israel the day Israel declared it's independence.

If they didn't recognize it when it occurred. It's too late to recognize it after they invaded and lost.

Five states recognized Palestine in 1948. Not that it matters. A state exists separate from recognition.

Israel wasn't attacked. The Arabs fought Israeli forces inside Palestine.

You need to read up.

(COMMENT)

Israel, after the declaration -- but before the attack, conformed to the allocation derived from Resolution 181(II). Yes it was an allocated portion of the territory to which the Mandate applied. And it was not sovereign Arab territory. Once the Provisional Government exercised their right to self-determination, in accordance with the instructions under the Partition Plan, that territory was no longer the former territory to which the Mandate for Palestine applied, but became the Jewish State pursuant to the Partition Plan.

The multination Arab Force was attacking the Newly Established State of Israel, and not Palestine --- not matter how it is framed.

Most Respectfully,
R

Load of crap, Rocco. You know the Security Council never implemented that plan. No territory was given to Israel.

 

[RoccoR]

P F Tinmore,

Again, a misrepresentation of the facts.

P F Tinmore, et al,

That is a misrepresentation of the facts.

Because the arabs supposedly consider that land palestine. Therefore under Jordanian rule they should also be demanding a free palestine.

But alas they didn't.

This shows that this was never about a land. It's about the arab government's refusal to recognize Israel in any form.

But they did. They declared independence in 1948.

Which the arabs didn't recognize.

They attacked Israel the day Israel declared it's independence.

If they didn't recognize it when it occurred. It's too late to recognize it after they invaded and lost.

Five states recognized Palestine in 1948. Not that it matters. A state exists separate from recognition.

Israel wasn't attacked. The Arabs fought Israeli forces inside Palestine.

You need to read up.

(COMMENT)

Israel, after the declaration -- but before the attack, conformed to the allocation derived from Resolution 181(II). Yes it was an allocated portion of the territory to which the Mandate applied. And it was not sovereign Arab territory. Once the Provisional Government exercised their right to self-determination, in accordance with the instructions under the Partition Plan, that territory was no longer the former territory to which the Mandate for Palestine applied, but became the Jewish State pursuant to the Partition Plan.

The multination Arab Force was attacking the Newly Established State of Israel, and not Palestine --- not matter how it is framed.

Most Respectfully,
R

Load of crap, Rocco. You know the Security Council never implemented that plan. No territory was given to Israel.

(COMMENT)

United Nations Palestine Commission (UNPC), the successor government, was charged with the implementation of the Resolution 181(II) per Part I --- Section B --- Paragraph 14.

14. The Commission shall be guided in its activities by the recommendations of the General Assembly and by such instructions as the Security Council may consider necessary to issue.

The measures taken by the Commission, within the recommendations of the General Assembly, shall become immediately effective unless the Commission has previously received contrary instructions from the Security Council.​

The UN Press and Publications Bureau, released an official announcement (Press Release PAL/169 17 May 1948) pertaining to the implementation of the resolution, as part of the official record, on behalf of the United Nations Palestine Commission (UNPC). In part it said:

During today's brief meeting, Dr. Eduardo Morgan (Panama) said that this resolution of the Assembly merely "relieves responsibility. The Commission has not been dissolved. In fact the resolution of last November 29 has been implemented."​

Most Respectfully,
R

 

[Phoenall]

montelatici, et al,

The territory to which the Mandate is applied.

No Rocco, The area for the territory of Trans-Jordanian was accounted for separately. A Mandate is a piece of paper not a territory.

"X.--TRANS-JORDANIA.

Included in the area of the Palestine Mandate is the territory of Trans-Jordania. It is bounded on the north by the frontier of Syria, placed under the mandate of France; on the south by the kingdom of the Hejaz; and on the west by the line of the Jordan and the Dead Sea; while on the east it stretches into the desert and ends--the boundary is not yet defined--where Mesopotamia begins. Trans-Jordania has a population of probably 350,000 people.

- See more at: Mandate for Palestine - Interim report of the Mandatory to the League of Nations Balfour Declaration text 30 July 1921

(CLARIFICATION)

M. ORTS quoted the end of the declaration of Lord Cushendun:

• • 
    "There should be no doubt at all in the minds of the members of the Council that my Government regards itself as responsible to the Council for the proper application in Trans-Jordan of all the provisions of the Palestine mandate, except those which have been excluded under Article 25."

- See more at: Mandate for Palestine - League of Nations 15th session - Minutes of the Permanent Mandates Commission 19 July 1929
​

Thus --- there should be no doubt in your mind.

Most Respectfully,
R

There should be no doubt in your mind that Trans-Jordania was accounted for as a separate territory with the mandate.

And that country is Palestine.

Obviously this has nothing to do with 1967 borders.

1) There was no call among the arabs for a "palestine" when Jordan controlled the territory

2) The arab countries wanted to kill all the Jews and destroy Israel before 1967.

1) There was no call among the arabs for a "palestine" when Jordan controlled the territory

Why would there be, or why should there be?

Then why the sudden clamour for a Palestine when Israel occupied the land, and then the sudden stop when they realised they stood to lose all their hand outs

 

[Phoenall]

montelatici, et al,

The territory to which the Mandate is applied.

(CLARIFICATION)

M. ORTS quoted the end of the declaration of Lord Cushendun:

• • 
    "There should be no doubt at all in the minds of the members of the Council that my Government regards itself as responsible to the Council for the proper application in Trans-Jordan of all the provisions of the Palestine mandate, except those which have been excluded under Article 25."

- See more at: Mandate for Palestine - League of Nations 15th session - Minutes of the Permanent Mandates Commission 19 July 1929
​

Thus --- there should be no doubt in your mind.

Most Respectfully,
R

There should be no doubt in your mind that Trans-Jordania was accounted for as a separate territory with the mandate.

And that country is Palestine.

Obviously this has nothing to do with 1967 borders.

1) There was no call among the arabs for a "palestine" when Jordan controlled the territory

2) The arab countries wanted to kill all the Jews and destroy Israel before 1967.

1) There was no call among the arabs for a "palestine" when Jordan controlled the territory

Why would there be, or why should there be?

Because the arabs supposedly consider that land palestine. Therefore under Jordanian rule they should also be demanding a free palestine.

But alas they didn't.

This shows that this was never about a land. It's about the arab government's refusal to recognize Israel in any form.

But they did. They declared independence in 1948.

Nope as it was not all of Palestine just the gaza strip and it was done by Egyptians from Cairo and not palestinians

 

[Phoenall]

And that country is Palestine.

Obviously this has nothing to do with 1967 borders.

1) There was no call among the arabs for a "palestine" when Jordan controlled the territory

2) The arab countries wanted to kill all the Jews and destroy Israel before 1967.

1) There was no call among the arabs for a "palestine" when Jordan controlled the territory

Why would there be, or why should there be?

Because the arabs supposedly consider that land palestine. Therefore under Jordanian rule they should also be demanding a free palestine.

But alas they didn't.

This shows that this was never about a land. It's about the arab government's refusal to recognize Israel in any form.

But they did. They declared independence in 1948.

Which the arabs didn't recognize.

They attacked Israel the day Israel declared it's independence.

If they didn't recognize it when it occurred. It's too late to recognize it after they invaded and lost.

Five states recognized Palestine in 1948. Not that it matters. A state exists separate from recognition.

Israel wasn't attacked. The Arabs fought Israeli forces inside Palestine.

You need to read up.

So do you as Palestine was a mandate and not a nation, and the arab league fought the Jews inside the mandate and then inside Israel. AND THEY LOST THE WAR AND EVERY ONE SINCE

 

[Phoenall]

And that country is Palestine.

Obviously this has nothing to do with 1967 borders.

1) There was no call among the arabs for a "palestine" when Jordan controlled the territory

2) The arab countries wanted to kill all the Jews and destroy Israel before 1967.

1) There was no call among the arabs for a "palestine" when Jordan controlled the territory

Why would there be, or why should there be?

Because the arabs supposedly consider that land palestine. Therefore under Jordanian rule they should also be demanding a free palestine.

But alas they didn't.

This shows that this was never about a land. It's about the arab government's refusal to recognize Israel in any form.

But they did. They declared independence in 1948.

Which the arabs didn't recognize.

They attacked Israel the day Israel declared it's independence.

If they didn't recognize it when it occurred. It's too late to recognize it after they invaded and lost.

Five states recognized Palestine in 1948. Not that it matters. A state exists separate from recognition.

Israel wasn't attacked. The Arabs fought Israeli forces inside Palestine.

You need to read up.

When was Israel accepted as a state by the Mandate/UN then when was Palestine accepted as a state by the mandate/UN. If Israel was accepted in May 1948 then how could Palestine claim the same land at a later date. The way you are talking Israel could now claim Saudi, Jordan, Egypt, Syria and Lebanon and the world would be forced to accept their ownership and help them to rid their country of undesirables

 

[Phoenall]

P F Tinmore, et al,

That is a misrepresentation of the facts.

Because the arabs supposedly consider that land palestine. Therefore under Jordanian rule they should also be demanding a free palestine.

But alas they didn't.

This shows that this was never about a land. It's about the arab government's refusal to recognize Israel in any form.

But they did. They declared independence in 1948.

Which the arabs didn't recognize.

They attacked Israel the day Israel declared it's independence.

If they didn't recognize it when it occurred. It's too late to recognize it after they invaded and lost.

Five states recognized Palestine in 1948. Not that it matters. A state exists separate from recognition.

Israel wasn't attacked. The Arabs fought Israeli forces inside Palestine.

You need to read up.

(COMMENT)

Israel, after the declaration -- but before the attack, conformed to the allocation derived from Resolution 181(II). Yes it was an allocated portion of the territory to which the Mandate applied. And it was not sovereign Arab territory. Once the Provisional Government exercised their right to self-determination, in accordance with the instructions under the Partition Plan, that territory was no longer the former territory to which the Mandate for Palestine applied, but became the Jewish State pursuant to the Partition Plan.

The multination Arab Force was attacking the Newly Established State of Israel, and not Palestine --- not matter how it is framed.

Most Respectfully,
R

Load of crap, Rocco. You know the Security Council never implemented that plan. No territory was given to Israel.

Beside the point as the Mandate then came into force and as the mandatory the UN had to accept the declaration. The land had been given in 1923 under the mandate of Palestine, just as trans Jordan was given under the same mandate.

 

[Phoenall]

Because the arabs supposedly consider that land palestine. Therefore under Jordanian rule they should also be demanding a free palestine.

But alas they didn't.

This shows that this was never about a land. It's about the arab government's refusal to recognize Israel in any form.

But they did. They declared independence in 1948.

Which the arabs didn't recognize.

They attacked Israel the day Israel declared it's independence.

If they didn't recognize it when it occurred. It's too late to recognize it after they invaded and lost.

Five states recognized Palestine in 1948. Not that it matters. A state exists separate from recognition.

Israel wasn't attacked. The Arabs fought Israeli forces inside Palestine.

You need to read up.

I am well read up.

The five armies invaded and attacked Israel for the sole purpose of annihilating her.

On 15 May 1948 the ongoing civil war transformed into an inter-state conflict between Israel and the Arab states, following the Israeli Declaration of Independence the previous day. A combined invasion by Egypt, Jordan and Syria, together with expeditionary forces from Iraq, entered Palestine -

1948 Arab Israeli War - Wikipedia the free encyclopedia

Yes Palestine as in Mandate of Palestine and not nation of Palestine. No nation of Palestine existed until 1988 under International law.