Why do the God-haters persist?

[GISMYS]

Your opinion is wrong.

According to your opinion...

Science and the scientific method is not a popularity contest.

There was a time not to too very long ago that the majority of human beings in the "known" world believed that if one sailed a boat out into the ocean that your craft would reach the edge of the world and fall off.

too bad those people did not read and believe God's word written over 3000 years ago saying the earth is a sphere===ISAIAH 40;22==

Do you not know? Have you not heard?
Has it not been declared to you from the beginning?
Have you not understood from the foundations of the earth?

22
It is He who sits above the circle of the earth,
And its inhabitants are like grasshoppers,
Who stretches out the heavens like a curtain
And spreads them out like a tent to dwell in.

 

[HUGGY]

According to your opinion...

Science and the scientific method is not a popularity contest.

There was a time not to too very long ago that the majority of human beings in the "known" world believed that if one sailed a boat out into the ocean that your craft would reach the edge of the world and fall off.

too bad those people did not read and believe God's word written over 3000 years ago saying the earth is a sphere===ISAIAH 40;22==

Do you not know? Have you not heard?
Has it not been declared to you from the beginning?
Have you not understood from the foundations of the earth?

22
It is He who sits above the circle of the earth,
And its inhabitants are like grasshoppers,
Who stretches out the heavens like a curtain
And spreads them out like a tent to dwell in.

A circle is NOT a sphere. Whn you gaze out towards the horizon and turn around you are seeing a circle of earth. When you are high enough from your point of view to see people as grasshoppers then your "circle" is just larger. There was no way to know that there was the remainder of a huge sphere beyond the view of ancient people.

More missinformation and lies from the godsquad.

In fact ancient man believed the sun and the moon and all the stars all revolved around the known earth.

If your scribes of the bible wanted you to see it written as a "sphere" it would be written as such. It IS a pretty important point don't you think?

 

[GISMYS]

Science and the scientific method is not a popularity contest.

There was a time not to too very long ago that the majority of human beings in the "known" world believed that if one sailed a boat out into the ocean that your craft would reach the edge of the world and fall off.

too bad those people did not read and believe God's word written over 3000 years ago saying the earth is a sphere===ISAIAH 40;22==

Do you not know? Have you not heard?
Has it not been declared to you from the beginning?
Have you not understood from the foundations of the earth?

22
It is He who sits above the circle of the earth,
And its inhabitants are like grasshoppers,
Who stretches out the heavens like a curtain
And spreads them out like a tent to dwell in.

A circle is NOT a sphere. Whn you gaze out towards the horizon and turn around you are seeing a circle of earth. When you are high enough from your point of view to see people as grasshoppers then your "circle" is just larger. There was no way to know that there was the remainder of a huge sphere beyond the view of ancient people.

More missinformation and lies from the godsquad.

In fact ancient man believed the sun and the moon and all the stars all revolved around the known earth.

If your scribes of the bible wanted you to see it written as a "sphere" it would be written as such. It IS a pretty important point don't you think?

Do some more research. God says when believers confess and repent our sins are buried as far as the east is from the west and how far is that? only on a round world would that scripture be true!!! think!

 

[HUGGY]

too bad those people did not read and believe God's word written over 3000 years ago saying the earth is a sphere===ISAIAH 40;22==

Do you not know? Have you not heard?
Has it not been declared to you from the beginning?
Have you not understood from the foundations of the earth?

22
It is He who sits above the circle of the earth,
And its inhabitants are like grasshoppers,
Who stretches out the heavens like a curtain
And spreads them out like a tent to dwell in.

A circle is NOT a sphere. Whn you gaze out towards the horizon and turn around you are seeing a circle of earth. When you are high enough from your point of view to see people as grasshoppers then your "circle" is just larger. There was no way to know that there was the remainder of a huge sphere beyond the view of ancient people.

More missinformation and lies from the godsquad.

In fact ancient man believed the sun and the moon and all the stars all revolved around the known earth.

If your scribes of the bible wanted you to see it written as a "sphere" it would be written as such. It IS a pretty important point don't you think?

Do some more research. God says when believers confess and repent our sins are buried as far as the east is from the west and how far is that? only on a round world would that scripture be true!!! think!

You have officially lost your mind. It is painfull to watch an adult struggle so poorly with truly basic material. It might be endearing from a 5 year old... an adult...not so much.

 

[GISMYS]

A circle is NOT a sphere. Whn you gaze out towards the horizon and turn around you are seeing a circle of earth. When you are high enough from your point of view to see people as grasshoppers then your "circle" is just larger. There was no way to know that there was the remainder of a huge sphere beyond the view of ancient people.

More missinformation and lies from the godsquad.

In fact ancient man believed the sun and the moon and all the stars all revolved around the known earth.

If your scribes of the bible wanted you to see it written as a "sphere" it would be written as such. It IS a pretty important point don't you think?

Do some more research. God says when believers confess and repent our sins are buried as far as the east is from the west and how far is that? only on a round world would that scripture be true!!! think!

You have officially lost your mind.

SIMPLE! On a flat world you could know the distance from east to west but on a round world you cannot!!!! duh!!! God said that truth over 3000 years ago!

 

[HUGGY]

too bad those people did not read and believe God's word written over 3000 years ago saying the earth is a sphere===ISAIAH 40;22==

Do you not know? Have you not heard?
Has it not been declared to you from the beginning?
Have you not understood from the foundations of the earth?

22
It is He who sits above the circle of the earth,
And its inhabitants are like grasshoppers,
Who stretches out the heavens like a curtain
And spreads them out like a tent to dwell in.

A circle is NOT a sphere. Whn you gaze out towards the horizon and turn around you are seeing a circle of earth. When you are high enough from your point of view to see people as grasshoppers then your "circle" is just larger. There was no way to know that there was the remainder of a huge sphere beyond the view of ancient people.

More missinformation and lies from the godsquad.

In fact ancient man believed the sun and the moon and all the stars all revolved around the known earth.

If your scribes of the bible wanted you to see it written as a "sphere" it would be written as such. It IS a pretty important point don't you think?

Do some more research. God says when believers confess and repent our sins are buried as far as the east is from the west and how far is that? only on a round world would that scripture be true!!! think!

If you are not standing on a hill or a mountain...around 40 miles. Most people cannot see more than 20 miles in any one direction without the aid of elevation. You would do better to find a passage that gives you a distance for the surface of the earth. Of course there is none in your bible...game over.

 

[GISMYS]

A circle is NOT a sphere. Whn you gaze out towards the horizon and turn around you are seeing a circle of earth. When you are high enough from your point of view to see people as grasshoppers then your "circle" is just larger. There was no way to know that there was the remainder of a huge sphere beyond the view of ancient people.

More missinformation and lies from the godsquad.

In fact ancient man believed the sun and the moon and all the stars all revolved around the known earth.

If your scribes of the bible wanted you to see it written as a "sphere" it would be written as such. It IS a pretty important point don't you think?

Do some more research. God says when believers confess and repent our sins are buried as far as the east is from the west and how far is that? only on a round world would that scripture be true!!! think!

If you are not standing on a hill or a mountain...around 40 miles. Most people cannot see more than 20 miles in any one direction without the aid of elevation. You would do better to find a passage that gives you a distance for the surface of the earth. Of course there is none in your bible...game over.

LOL!!! If the earth was flat you could see much futher!!! huh????

 

[GISMYS]

◄ Psalm 103:12 ►
As far as the east is from the west, so far has he removed our transgressions from us.
Can't you understand what God is saying here???? you should if you know the earth is round as the creator would know!!

 

[HUGGY]

Do some more research. God says when believers confess and repent our sins are buried as far as the east is from the west and how far is that? only on a round world would that scripture be true!!! think!

If you are not standing on a hill or a mountain...around 40 miles. Most people cannot see more than 20 miles in any one direction without the aid of elevation. You would do better to find a passage that gives you a distance for the surface of the earth. Of course there is none in your bible...game over.

LOL!!! If the earth was flat you could see much futher!!! huh????

A point lost on ancient man. What few theorized a spherical earth were usually executed.

[ame=http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4RiU2T4Psyc]"Galileo" Indigo Girls - YouTube[/ame]

 

[GISMYS]

If you are not standing on a hill or a mountain...around 40 miles. Most people cannot see more than 20 miles in any one direction without the aid of elevation. You would do better to find a passage that gives you a distance for the surface of the earth. Of course there is none in your bible...game over.

LOL!!! If the earth was flat you could see much futher!!! huh????

A point lost on ancient man. What few theorized a spherical earth were usually executed.

[ame=http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4RiU2T4Psyc]"Galileo" Indigo Girls - YouTube[/ame]

yes!! many ancient men did not believe GOD'S Word just as many are fools today!!!

 

[Montrovant]

Well I thought I had defined it way back in the OP or at least the first page, but let me do it again for clarification. Human spirituality is the intrinsic awareness humans have of something greater than self which can't be physically defined. So that's what it means and that's what it is. Because it's not physical in nature, humans have a hard time grasping it or comprehending it completely, so they create incarnations of "god" or various religions to help them better understand this thing they are connecting with.

Yes, I very much do believe that we may one day be able to observe, test and define things that are "spiritual" through physical science. In fact, haven't we already done so in many instances? (Movement of the Sun and Moon, heliocentricity, rain, etc.) Currently, scientist are working on quantum physics and string theory, which involve the possibility of other universes and dimensions where our laws of physics and nature may not apply. Could be that "spiritual nature" is simply another dimension hovering just above our own plane of reality that we can't see or confirm physically?



But I did. Our most advanced and sophisticated species has not very likely adopted some superficial and imaginary belief in something that isn't real for all of our existence, by which it has garnered inspiration and courage to do the otherwise impossible and achieve the things man has accomplished. If we have, it's the most exceptional and extraordinary mind fuck in the history of nature. Since we don't observe other species adopting similar superficial attributes which have no meaning yet cause great benefits, we have to conclude that's probably not what's happening with humans and spiritual connection. All I did was point out that even the Darwinian theories of natural selection can't support this argument of an 'imagined' spiritual connection without reason or fundamental purpose.

What is the sense we use to come by this awareness? Is there a physical organ which provides our ability to sense the spiritual? You say people have this inherent awareness despite the fact that the awareness takes many different forms and some don't seem to have it at all.

The sense is awareness of spiritual nature. The physical organ involved is the brain, or more specifically, the conscious mind. The awareness itself doesn't take many different forms, the awareness causes creation of many various incarnations. Every human has it, some simply do not use it. Some humans can swim while others can't, but it doesn't mean they lack some attribute the swimmers have, it's just they have never learned how to swim.



You're taking my argument out of context again. I mentioned our advancement because you wouldn't expect to find something as advanced over all other living things, doing something totally irrational and without reason.



I think you are wrong about a lot of this. Lots of animals have complex language and there are examples of ritual behavior as well. Even something as small as a lab rat understands and ascribes meaning to things. And let me clarify, I don't know if other animals have spiritual connection, they may have. If they do, it appears they deal with comprehending it much better than humans who feel compelled to create all kinds of religions and means of worshiping it. Perhaps the other animals are different from humans in humbleness and 'know what side the bread is buttered on' with regard to spiritual nature, and don't arrogantly think they know more than God?

You've agreed that humans can think and reason in ways no other animal can, yet fail to see that our imagination is tied to our intelligence and, as such, leaves the possibility of creating meaning where none exists. Since you have as much as said that religions are created by man, and since religion has existed for a large majority of our history, that strikes me as incongruous. If man can imagine religion in such numbers, for so long, why could we not do the same for spiritual nature? Again, I'm not even attempting to argue that spiritual nature doesn't exist, merely that the possibility that humanity has invented the various spiritual beliefs it has held is not contradicted by science or logic.

I've never said we can't create meaning where none exists through imagination. However, it is very unlikely this is what we did with spiritual connection. The example I can relate this to for comparison is superstitions. While there are still people who are superstitious, most of us know that it's a novelty and not something profoundly fundamental. Once upon a time, superstitions were a very serious thing, people really believed and lived by them. As science advanced and dispelled the superstitions, fewer and fewer people took them seriously. With human spirituality, we don't see this happening. Humans remain devoutly connected spiritually to something greater than self. Humans continue to report tremendous benefit from inspiration and courage derived through their spiritual connection.

There may be some kind of spiritual connection shared by all humanity, there may not. Until and unless the spiritual can be clearly defined and understood, perhaps observed, that existence is as open to question as any incarnation of god.

I agree that various incarnations of God are subject to disbelief. That humans are connecting to something greater than self, which we've defined as "spiritual" for now, is without question. Things simply do not have to be observed to be true or exist. I offer again, my Jupiter example... Did the planet Jupiter not exist until we observed it and confirmed it? Our inability to observe and confirm spiritual nature is insignificant, we have an intrinsic hard-wired connection to it.

Awareness of spiritual connection is a sense? That's kind of like me asking what sense you use for the awareness of your skin being in contact with an object, and instead of saying the sense of touch, you say that awareness of being in contact with an object is the sense.

What portion of the brain is used in this sense, what sort of signals does it receive?

Can someone lose or be born without this sense, as you can be blind or deaf?

Do animals often do anything for rational or irrational reasons in their own minds, or do they mostly run on instinct? An ant may never act irrationally, but it also isn't thinking through it's actions.

Lots of animals have complex languages? I'd like to see some examples of these which come anywhere near human language. I'm not talking about simple communication through sounds, I mean true complex language such as we use.

How do you have any idea if a lab rat ascribes meaning to anything? How could you possibly know that without some form of complex communication between the two species?

You seem to assume that many animals operate on a similar intellectual level as humans, despite the evidence to the contrary (and, if I remember correctly, an admission by you previously that they do not).

Is superstition not a manifestation of spiritual connection, like religion? If not, why not?

Jupiter existed before we observed it. The spiritual may as well. However, the idea that that is not in question is simply ludicrous. Of course it is, and should be, in question, especially if it is like your example of Jupiter. Why should anyone have simply taken someone's word for the existence of Jupiter before there was evidence for it? Before man could do more than look into the sky with his naked eye?

 

[HUGGY]

LOL!!! If the earth was flat you could see much futher!!! huh????

A point lost on ancient man. What few theorized a spherical earth were usually executed.

[ame=http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4RiU2T4Psyc]"Galileo" Indigo Girls - YouTube[/ame]

yes!! many ancient men did not believe GOD'S Word just as many are fools today!!!

UMMmmm.... The man that threatened to execute Galileo was the then current Pope of Rome.

You would think he might have known the "words of god" better than you...

 

[GISMYS]

A point lost on ancient man. What few theorized a spherical earth were usually executed.

"Galileo" Indigo Girls - YouTube

yes!! many ancient men did not believe GOD'S Word just as many are fools today!!!

UMMmmm.... The man that threatened to execute Galileo was the then current Pope of Rome.

You would think he might have known the "words of god" better than you...

DUH!!! SO YOU THINK ALL POPES WERE GOOD BELIEVERS???? dream on and do some research. Being a church leader or church member does not mean you are a believer,or saved. WISE UP!!!

 

[HUGGY]

yes!! many ancient men did not believe GOD'S Word just as many are fools today!!!

UMMmmm.... The man that threatened to execute Galileo was the then current Pope of Rome.

You would think he might have known the "words of god" better than you...

DUH!!! SO YOU THINK ALL POPES WERE GOOD BELIEVERS???? dream on and do some research. Being a church leader or church member does not mean you are a believer,or saved. WISE UP!!!

Impressive...Interesting ... Fascinating...that you feel you know god's words better than any one pope in history. Does the Vatican have you on speed dial when they need to clear anything up?

 

[GISMYS]

UMMmmm.... The man that threatened to execute Galileo was the then current Pope of Rome.

You would think he might have known the "words of god" better than you...

DUH!!! SO YOU THINK ALL POPES WERE GOOD BELIEVERS???? dream on and do some research. Being a church leader or church member does not mean you are a believer,or saved. WISE UP!!!

Impressive...Interesting ... Fascinating...that you feel you know god's words better than any one pope in history. Does the Vatican have you on speed dial when they need to clear anything up?

LOL!!! TOO LAZY TO DO rsearch!!!huh?? yes! there has been many evil popes over the last 2000 years some burned JEWS at the stake!!! ps. JESUS IS A JEW!!!

 

[HUGGY]

DUH!!! SO YOU THINK ALL POPES WERE GOOD BELIEVERS???? dream on and do some research. Being a church leader or church member does not mean you are a believer,or saved. WISE UP!!!

Impressive...Interesting ... Fascinating...that you feel you know god's words better than any one pope in history. Does the Vatican have you on speed dial when they need to clear anything up?

LOL!!! TOO LAZY TO DO rsearch!!!huh?? yes! there has been many evil popes over the last 2000 years some burned JEWS at the stake!!! ps. JESUS IS A JEW!!!

Not everyone is cut out to be a super sleuth for the jeebus. It takes a very "special" person to walk YOUR path.

 

[GISMYS]

Impressive...Interesting ... Fascinating...that you feel you know god's words better than any one pope in history. Does the Vatican have you on speed dial when they need to clear anything up?

LOL!!! TOO LAZY TO DO rsearch!!!huh?? yes! there has been many evil popes over the last 2000 years some burned JEWS at the stake!!! ps. JESUS IS A JEW!!!

Not everyone is cut out to be a super sleuth for the jeebus. It takes a very "special" person to walk YOUR path.

YES!!! I am a son of GOD,You too can join the family.======================================HOW TO BE SAVED(BORN AGAIN) AND JOIN THE FAMILY OF GOD!!! Romans: Chapter 10 verse 9-10-13 GOD SAYS=
That if thou shalt confess with thy mouth the Lord Jesus,
and shalt believe in your heart that God hath raised him
from the dead, thou shalt be Saved. For with the heart man
believeth unto righteousness; and with the mouth confession
is made unto Salvation. For whosoever shall call upon the
name of the Lord shall be Saved....................

---------------------------------------------------------- ----------------------

AN EXAMPLE PRAYER IF YOU HAVE NEVER BEFORE TALKED TO GOD!.........................
Heavenly Father:........................................... ...............................
I come to you in prayer asking for the forgiveness of
my Sins. I confess with my mouth and believe with my
heart that Jesus is your Son, And that he died on the
Cross at Calvary that I might be forgiven and have
Eternal Life in the Kingdom of Heaven. Father, I believe
that Jesus rose from the dead and I ask you right now
to come in to my life and be my personal Lord and
Savior. I repent of my Sins and will Worship you all the
day's of my Life!. Because your word is truth, I confess
with my mouth that I am Born Again and Cleansed
by the Blood of Jesus! In Jesus Name, Amen

 

[HUGGY]

LOL!!! TOO LAZY TO DO rsearch!!!huh?? yes! there has been many evil popes over the last 2000 years some burned JEWS at the stake!!! ps. JESUS IS A JEW!!!

Not everyone is cut out to be a super sleuth for the jeebus. It takes a very "special" person to walk YOUR path.

YES!!! I am a son of GOD,You too can join the family.======================================HOW TO BE SAVED(BORN AGAIN) AND JOIN THE FAMILY OF GOD!!! Romans: Chapter 10 verse 9-10-13 GOD SAYS=
That if thou shalt confess with thy mouth the Lord Jesus,
and shalt believe in your heart that God hath raised him
from the dead, thou shalt be Saved. For with the heart man
believeth unto righteousness; and with the mouth confession
is made unto Salvation. For whosoever shall call upon the
name of the Lord shall be Saved....................

---------------------------------------------------------- ----------------------

AN EXAMPLE PRAYER IF YOU HAVE NEVER BEFORE TALKED TO GOD!.........................
Heavenly Father:........................................... ...............................
I come to you in prayer asking for the forgiveness of
my Sins. I confess with my mouth and believe with my
heart that Jesus is your Son, And that he died on the
Cross at Calvary that I might be forgiven and have
Eternal Life in the Kingdom of Heaven. Father, I believe
that Jesus rose from the dead and I ask you right now
to come in to my life and be my personal Lord and
Savior. I repent of my Sins and will Worship you all the
day's of my Life!. Because your word is truth, I confess
with my mouth that I am Born Again and Cleansed
by the Blood of Jesus! In Jesus Name, Amen

Ya.. Sure... I'll get right on that... I want you to know that I'm not easy though.

If you PM me a bank account # with $1,000,000 transferable to my account I'll say anything you want... With Conviction !!! For REALS !!!!

 

[GISMYS]

Not everyone is cut out to be a super sleuth for the jeebus. It takes a very "special" person to walk YOUR path.

YES!!! I am a son of GOD,You too can join the family.======================================HOW TO BE SAVED(BORN AGAIN) AND JOIN THE FAMILY OF GOD!!! Romans: Chapter 10 verse 9-10-13 GOD SAYS=
That if thou shalt confess with thy mouth the Lord Jesus,
and shalt believe in your heart that God hath raised him
from the dead, thou shalt be Saved. For with the heart man
believeth unto righteousness; and with the mouth confession
is made unto Salvation. For whosoever shall call upon the
name of the Lord shall be Saved....................

---------------------------------------------------------- ----------------------

AN EXAMPLE PRAYER IF YOU HAVE NEVER BEFORE TALKED TO GOD!.........................
Heavenly Father:........................................... ...............................
I come to you in prayer asking for the forgiveness of
my Sins. I confess with my mouth and believe with my
heart that Jesus is your Son, And that he died on the
Cross at Calvary that I might be forgiven and have
Eternal Life in the Kingdom of Heaven. Father, I believe
that Jesus rose from the dead and I ask you right now
to come in to my life and be my personal Lord and
Savior. I repent of my Sins and will Worship you all the
day's of my Life!. Because your word is truth, I confess
with my mouth that I am Born Again and Cleansed
by the Blood of Jesus! In Jesus Name, Amen

Ya.. Sure... I'll get right on that... I want you to know that I'm not easy though.

If you PM me a bank account # with $1,000,000 transferable to my account I'll say anything you want... With Conviction !!! For REALS !!!!

HEY!!! little guy if you want to choose to go to hell=go for it!!! no skin off my nose! I did my duty and gave you truth!!

 

[HUGGY]

YES!!! I am a son of GOD,You too can join the family.======================================HOW TO BE SAVED(BORN AGAIN) AND JOIN THE FAMILY OF GOD!!! Romans: Chapter 10 verse 9-10-13 GOD SAYS=
That if thou shalt confess with thy mouth the Lord Jesus,
and shalt believe in your heart that God hath raised him
from the dead, thou shalt be Saved. For with the heart man
believeth unto righteousness; and with the mouth confession
is made unto Salvation. For whosoever shall call upon the
name of the Lord shall be Saved....................

---------------------------------------------------------- ----------------------

AN EXAMPLE PRAYER IF YOU HAVE NEVER BEFORE TALKED TO GOD!.........................
Heavenly Father:........................................... ...............................
I come to you in prayer asking for the forgiveness of
my Sins. I confess with my mouth and believe with my
heart that Jesus is your Son, And that he died on the
Cross at Calvary that I might be forgiven and have
Eternal Life in the Kingdom of Heaven. Father, I believe
that Jesus rose from the dead and I ask you right now
to come in to my life and be my personal Lord and
Savior. I repent of my Sins and will Worship you all the
day's of my Life!. Because your word is truth, I confess
with my mouth that I am Born Again and Cleansed
by the Blood of Jesus! In Jesus Name, Amen

Ya.. Sure... I'll get right on that... I want you to know that I'm not easy though.

If you PM me a bank account # with $1,000,000 transferable to my account I'll say anything you want... With Conviction !!! For REALS !!!!

HEY!!! little guy if you want to choose to go to hell=go for it!!! no skin off my nose! I did my duty and gave you truth!!

Nonsense. You gave up without venturing one thin dime. If you REALLY wanted to save me what is stopping you? A few measly bucks? And don't hand me that hogwash that the lord can't be bought.. Ask the mormans and the catholics.. A million is just chump change to those guys... Put a million on the table or quit wasting my time.