Why do you hate

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You do realize that a house is property, right?

Do you believe it is wise to treat human lives as property?

Of course not. Neither is it wise to treat property as a human life. The equivocation from you folks is tiresome.

There is no equivocation. It isn’t a matter of conjecture. It has been empirically proven that at conception a new genetically distinct human being has come into existence.

Doesn't make bit of difference. Whatever you think it is, it's inside another person's body and none of your business.

IT becomes our business when she wants to kill a child at tear it from her body,,,

That's your claim. If you try to act on it, you're asking for trouble. The mess will take decades to clean up, but in the end, you'll fade away just like the Temperance movement did after Prohibition ended. The bottom line is, government can't control people the way you want.

Have you been paying attention to what is happening around the country?

 

[dblack]

Of course not. Neither is it wise to treat property as a human life. The equivocation from you folks is tiresome.

There is no equivocation. It isn’t a matter of conjecture. It has been empirically proven that at conception a new genetically distinct human being has come into existence.

Doesn't make bit of difference. Whatever you think it is, it's inside another person's body and none of your business.

IT becomes our business when she wants to kill a child at tear it from her body,,,

That's your claim. If you try to act on it, you're asking for trouble. The mess will take decades to clean up, but in the end, you'll fade away just like the Temperance movement did after Prohibition ended. The bottom line is, government can't control people the way you want.

Have you been paying attention to what is happening around the country?

In what regard?

 

[ding]

There is no equivocation. It isn’t a matter of conjecture. It has been empirically proven that at conception a new genetically distinct human being has come into existence.

Doesn't make bit of difference. Whatever you think it is, it's inside another person's body and none of your business.

IT becomes our business when she wants to kill a child at tear it from her body,,,

It’s not “our” business. You and the Ayatollah at your madrassah are not the “our” who need to be involved.

We live in a shared society with shared consequences. It’s everyone’s business. That’s how societies work.

Nope. That's how overbearing intrusive government works. It's how the nanny state works. It's how socialism works. It's NOT how society works.

Give me a break. Read some Locke would you.

Governments exist as a necessary evil, but that doesn’t mean everything they do is evil.

Societies establish and enforce values through laws. This is exactly the kind of thing they should look into. Each state should decide for itself.

 

[ding]

There is no equivocation. It isn’t a matter of conjecture. It has been empirically proven that at conception a new genetically distinct human being has come into existence.

Doesn't make bit of difference. Whatever you think it is, it's inside another person's body and none of your business.

IT becomes our business when she wants to kill a child at tear it from her body,,,

That's your claim. If you try to act on it, you're asking for trouble. The mess will take decades to clean up, but in the end, you'll fade away just like the Temperance movement did after Prohibition ended. The bottom line is, government can't control people the way you want.

Have you been paying attention to what is happening around the country?

In what regard?

The string of new laws on restricting when one can have an abortion.

 

[dblack]

Doesn't make bit of difference. Whatever you think it is, it's inside another person's body and none of your business.

IT becomes our business when she wants to kill a child at tear it from her body,,,

That's your claim. If you try to act on it, you're asking for trouble. The mess will take decades to clean up, but in the end, you'll fade away just like the Temperance movement did after Prohibition ended. The bottom line is, government can't control people the way you want.

Have you been paying attention to what is happening around the country?

In what regard?

The string of new laws on restricting when one can have an abortion.

Oh yeah. I know. That's why I'm here posting. I usually try to avoid arguing religion. What's your point?

 

[alang1216]

At any point along the continuum from conception to death he or she is fully human and has the appropriate attributes he or she should have at that point in the life cycle. That isn’t conjecture. That is scientific fact based on evidence.

We only get one shot as we are each genetically distinct. Never again will that person be created.

A building begins with a blueprint, then a hole in the ground, etc. At any point along the continuum from planning to completion, that building and has the appropriate attributes it should have at that point in the life cycle. Would you consider that blueprint to be the same as a finished house? Could you live in that hole in the ground? That blueprint (DNA) may have all the information needed to assemble a house but it is not a house.

As for uniqueness, you seem more fixated than even God. Miscarriages and infant mortality were very common throughout much of human history.

thats just stupid,,,a building requires outside intervention where as a child needs only to be left alone to live,,,

I wonder what the next excuse/analogy will be,,,

A building requires builders, building supplies, and a proper site. A fetus requires a provider of nutrients. It also requires the mother to eschew cigarettes, alcohol, many drugs, and many activities.

 

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I don’t think you people realize how similar abortion and slavery are. Abortion is the modern day slavery so to speak. The parallels are eerie. Republican vs Democrat. Treating some human life as property to be disposed of at the will of its owner. And right versus wrong.

So I can tell you exactly how this will turn out.


A 150 years from now people will look back at us like we look back at those filthy Democrats who promoted slavery, segregation, racism and bigotry.

 

[alang1216]

What motivations would make killing not murder? Does it matter if it is abortion or euthanasia?

Mercy versus selfishness.

So if a fetus is deformed and would endure a life of pain, abortion is a mercy and is OK?

let us know when that happens and we can talk about it then,,,for now 95% of abortions dont have that issue,,,

So those 5% are OK?

which one,,,[please be specific,,,

How about a fetus that is deformed and would endure a life of pain?

 

[dblack]

That's your claim. If you try to act on it, you're asking for trouble. The mess will take decades to clean up, but in the end, you'll fade away just like the Temperance movement did after Prohibition ended. The bottom line is, government can't control people the way you want.

Have you been paying attention to what is happening around the country?

In what regard?

The string of new laws on restricting when one can have an abortion.

Oh yeah. I know. That's why I'm here posting. I usually try to avoid arguing religion. What's your point?

That’s not exactly what the new laws say.

What's not exactly what the new laws say??

 

[ding]

Mercy versus selfishness.

So if a fetus is deformed and would endure a life of pain, abortion is a mercy and is OK?

let us know when that happens and we can talk about it then,,,for now 95% of abortions dont have that issue,,,

So those 5% are OK?

which one,,,[please be specific,,,

How about a fetus that is deformed and would endure a life of pain?

Do you have anymore fringe arguments you want to trot out?

 

[ding]

Have you been paying attention to what is happening around the country?

In what regard?

The string of new laws on restricting when one can have an abortion.

Oh yeah. I know. That's why I'm here posting. I usually try to avoid arguing religion. What's your point?

That’s not exactly what the new laws say.

What's not exactly what the new laws say??

I misread you intent.

 

[ding]

Mercy versus selfishness.

So if a fetus is deformed and would endure a life of pain, abortion is a mercy and is OK?

let us know when that happens and we can talk about it then,,,for now 95% of abortions dont have that issue,,,

So those 5% are OK?

which one,,,[please be specific,,,

How about a fetus that is deformed and would endure a life of pain?

So if that fetus were born you’d kill it. Because the outcome would be exactly the same.

So would you kill it?

 

[ding]

IT becomes our business when she wants to kill a child at tear it from her body,,,

That's your claim. If you try to act on it, you're asking for trouble. The mess will take decades to clean up, but in the end, you'll fade away just like the Temperance movement did after Prohibition ended. The bottom line is, government can't control people the way you want.

Have you been paying attention to what is happening around the country?

In what regard?

The string of new laws on restricting when one can have an abortion.

Oh yeah. I know. That's why I'm here posting. I usually try to avoid arguing religion. What's your point?

My point is that the pendulum has started swinging the other way.

 

[alang1216]

Do you have anymore fringe arguments you want to trot out?

You say fringe, I say central.

 

[dblack]

That's your claim. If you try to act on it, you're asking for trouble. The mess will take decades to clean up, but in the end, you'll fade away just like the Temperance movement did after Prohibition ended. The bottom line is, government can't control people the way you want.

Have you been paying attention to what is happening around the country?

In what regard?

The string of new laws on restricting when one can have an abortion.

Oh yeah. I know. That's why I'm here posting. I usually try to avoid arguing religion. What's your point?

My point is that the pendulum has started swing the other way.

Yeah, I know. Maybe I wasn't clear in my post. When I say government can't control people the way you want, I not saying you can't try. I'm saying it won't work and will be a clusterfuck that will take us a long time to correct.

 

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Seriously... is there no one here that is willing to say the hell with your invisible code of common decency. I know it’s wrong and I don’t care. I still support a woman’s choice to end the life of her baby - that she didn’t even know she had until it looked more like a baby than a clump of tissue. I don’t care.

How about it? Any takers?

 

[ding]

Have you been paying attention to what is happening around the country?

In what regard?

The string of new laws on restricting when one can have an abortion.

Oh yeah. I know. That's why I'm here posting. I usually try to avoid arguing religion. What's your point?

My point is that the pendulum has started swing the other way.

Yeah, I know. Maybe I wasn't clear in my post. When I say government can't control people the way you want, I not saying you can't try. I'm saying it won't work and will be a clusterfuck that will take us a long time to correct.

It all depends.

 

[ding]

Do you have anymore fringe arguments you want to trot out?

You say fringe, I say central.

Do you even statistics?

Do you understand the concept of distributions?

 

[dblack]

Seriously... is there no one here that is willing to say the hell with your invisible code of common decency. I know it’s wrong and I don’t care. I still support a woman’s choice to end the life of her baby - that she didn’t even know she had until it looked more like a baby than a clump of tissue. I don’t care.

How about it? Any takers?

All except for the "I don't care" part. I see abortion as real tragedy - much like suicide. But, like suicide, it's stupid to make it illegal and doing so causes more harm than good. Government can't solve every problem.

 

[ding]

Do you have anymore fringe arguments you want to trot out?

You say fringe, I say central.

How about you? Are you willing to say... the hell with your invisible code of common decency. I know it’s wrong and I don’t care. I still support a woman’s choice to end the life of her baby - that she didn’t even know she had until it looked more like a baby than a clump of tissue. I don’t care.

Are you willing to say that? If not, why not?