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I've seen God every time I've been blessed to be humbled enough to recognize acts of compassion that would make Jesus say "I should have started my ministry much earlier than at 30 years of age."
Have you ever really contemplated God or does it too often get in the way of adding another notch to your cotton candy soapbox? Maddy roughly explained my position regarding anthropomorphism.
so
is your god going to burn billions of people in hell forever is they have sex outside of marriage?
or get divorced?
or are gay?
or are atheist?
and how do you manage to reconcile your belief that slavery is wrong while god insists that slavery is ok?
I assume, of course, that you do disagree with god on this issue....
how do you feel telling god he/she is wrong about slavery?
are you afraid of eternal punishment?
If you keep this up some government genius bureaucrat is going to find a way to make people get an operator's license for trolling like we have driver's licenses for cars.
All this boils down to one thing.
The arrogance of man.
Who's being irrational? This all boils down to, "If there was a God, he would do things MY WAY. But, since things aren't being done my way, there can't be a God."
Did it EVER occur to you, that just because things are out of YOUR control, it doesn't mean it's out of God's control?
Stop projecting. It cracks me up. People think they are being soooooooooooooo philosophical with these objections, when what they are really being is INFANTILE.
It's all about ME! Things aren't going as the great I ME MINE would like it, so there is no God.
The little secret here is these people think THEY should be God.
Boo hoo hoo. There's suffering in the world?
Well DUH!!!!!!!! Where did God (in the Bible) ever say there wouldn't be?
Unbelievable. Grow up!
teapartysamurai, anyone who believes they are God is mentally ill. The existence of evil in the world has fascinated every philospher since Man crawled out of the Primordial Ooze. I think NOT asking questions is a betrayal of the Divine every one of us carries within -- we are gifted with a consciousness, and we are expected to USE it.
I am bumfuddled by people like you who seem to believe that learning, knowledge and amareness are somehow anti-God. What is the value you perceive in ignorance?
Here is another example.
Making up an argument that I did not make.
Where did I say you cannot question??????
But you didn't question in the op. You MADE CONCLUSIONS and stated that you can closed your MIND to the possibility of God, because God wasn't doing things your way.
That's not questioning. That's closing your mind to questions.
You don't think I question suffering in this world?
The difference between you and me is, I haven't closed my mind off to the answers simply because I may not LIKE the answer.
Don't pretend otherwise. The title of your op and your entire op made it plain. You have closed your mind off to the existence of God, BECAUSE things aren't how you think they should be.
That's not questioning, that's narrowing and closing your mind.
Nice try.
teapartysamurai wrote:
Nice try but stating, "I am not a Christian" is saying you have closed your mind off to possible answers to your questions.
And I am "evil" because I question YOU??????
You really do think you're God, don't you? The arrogance gets worse by the moment.
Honey, I haven't misidentified you at all. Sure you believe in a "god." A little image of YOU that makes you feel comfortable, like all people that claim to be agnostic/atheist/I believe in god/gia/etc etc etc.
You can argue otherwise, but you let the truth slip out when you claimed I was "eeeeeeeeeeeeeevil" for simply questioning YOU.
Your the god in your mind, whether you directly recognize it or not.
I don't know much about your argument with that other person, nor do I want to get involved, but this sentence is hilariously ironic.
Yeah really? How dare anyone use their brain to think about stuff?! That's INFANTILE! If there is to be any philosophizing it should be about how awesome the bible is. That and cupcakes.
Cupcakes are also awesome, and similarly cannot be questioned.
No exceptions.
You know how you know you are winning a debate? When the other side fabricates you made an argument (that you never made) and then argues against that.
Where did I say you can't question the Bible? I didn't.
I simply pointed out what the op boiled down to is, "there can't be a God, because there is suffering."
But, I'm sorry, that really means "There can't be a God, because God would do things my way."
It's really is a statement that there can't be a God, because the universe doesn't revolve around what the great I, ME, MINE thinks should be right.
It's the reasoning of a three year old.
Just because I point out that the Bible makes it plain there will be suffering, does not mean you can't question that.
It just means I'll probably be able to easily counter that argument.
So, please don't make up arguments that don't exist. It just makes you look desperate.
Your reading comprehension skills suck, teapartsamurai. You have made the same mistake as Cecille -- you read "I am not a christain" to mean "I am an atheist". But there are OTHER religions, and each of them has a vision of God. There are even people who just don't know (agnostics).
I don't belong to any religion and yet I DO believe. I have ZERO doubt that God exists, just as I have ZERO doubt that irrational hatred like yours is Evil.
If you feel you can explain why Evil exists, then please do so. Believe me, I'd love to have an explanation. But so far, nothing you have written leads me to believe that I can learn much of anything from you.
so
is your god going to burn billions of people in hell forever is they have sex outside of marriage?
or get divorced?
or are gay?
or are atheist?
and how do you manage to reconcile your belief that slavery is wrong while god insists that slavery is ok?
I assume, of course, that you do disagree with god on this issue....
how do you feel telling god he/she is wrong about slavery?
are you afraid of eternal punishment?
If you keep this up some government genius bureaucrat is going to find a way to make people get an operator's license for trolling like we have driver's licenses for cars.
trolling?
I am not trolling
I am asking reasonable questions that you are obviously either too stupid to understand or afraid to answer
is your god going to burn billions of people in hell forever is they have sex outside of marriage?
or get divorced?
or are gay?
or are atheist?
and how do you manage to reconcile your belief that slavery is wrong while god insists that slavery is ok?
If you keep this up some government genius bureaucrat is going to find a way to make people get an operator's license for trolling like we have driver's licenses for cars.
trolling?
I am not trolling
I am asking reasonable questions that you are obviously either too stupid to understand or afraid to answer
is your god going to burn billions of people in hell forever is they have sex outside of marriage?
or get divorced?
or are gay?
or are atheist?
and how do you manage to reconcile your belief that slavery is wrong while god insists that slavery is ok?
You asked a list of questions based on premises I have not stated nor accept yet demand an explanation. That's trolling.
God doesn't condemn us for sinning.
He condemns us for not being repentant, and for refusing to accept him and his Son.
False. Hebrews 8 states a new covenant was needed with a new people because the old one was no longer being upheld. It does not state why laws were changed. In fact it states "I will put my laws into their mind" in the new covenant. It does not say why such laws would change. You may want to know your own bible a bit better.Your question is answered in Heb. 8.
Where did I say you can't question the bible? I didn't. Now what were you saying about fabricating arguments? Oopsies!You know how you know you are winning a debate? When the other side fabricates you made an argument (that you never made) and then argues against that.
Where did I say you can't question the Bible? I didn't.
Did you read the same thing as me and everyone else? It appeared to say quite a bit more. Don't get me wrong, Mad can ramble on for a while, but my interpretation extended beyond your one-liner.I simply pointed out what the op boiled down to is, "there can't be a God, because there is suffering."
False. Hebrews 8 states a new covenant was needed with a new people because the old one was no longer being upheld. It does not state why laws were changed. In fact it states "I will put my laws into their mind" in the new covenant. It does not say why such laws would change. You may want to know your own bible a bit better.Your question is answered in Heb. 8.
Where did I say you can't question the bible? I didn't. Now what were you saying about fabricating arguments? Oopsies!You know how you know you are winning a debate? When the other side fabricates you made an argument (that you never made) and then argues against that.
Where did I say you can't question the Bible? I didn't.
Did you read the same thing as me and everyone else? It appeared to say quite a bit more. Don't get me wrong, Mad can ramble on for a while, but my interpretation extended beyond your one-liner.I simply pointed out what the op boiled down to is, "there can't be a God, because there is suffering."
Perhaps you should try again.
teapartysamurai wrote:
1. You need to define "Evil" before I can offer theories.
2. Are you asking for an explanation of evil or are you looking for a solution to evil?
False. Hebrews 8 states a new covenant was needed with a new people because the old one was no longer being upheld. It does not state why laws were changed. In fact it states "I will put my laws into their mind" in the new covenant. It does not say why such laws would change. You may want to know your own bible a bit better.Your question is answered in Heb. 8.
Where did I say you can't question the bible? I didn't. Now what were you saying about fabricating arguments? Oopsies!
Did you read the same thing as me and everyone else? It appeared to say quite a bit more. Don't get me wrong, Mad can ramble on for a while, but my interpretation extended beyond your one-liner.I simply pointed out what the op boiled down to is, "there can't be a God, because there is suffering."
Perhaps you should try again.
You asked why the laws were changed and Heb 8 states why. You may claim it is insufficient to your taste but don't add more layers of dishonesty to you bag of crybaby tears.
"For if there had been nothing wrong with that first covenant, no place would have been sought for another. But God found fault with the people and said..."
Hebrews 8 - PassageLookup - New International Version - BibleGateway.com
False. Hebrews 8 states a new covenant was needed with a new people because the old one was no longer being upheld. It does not state why laws were changed. In fact it states "I will put my laws into their mind" in the new covenant. It does not say why such laws would change. You may want to know your own bible a bit better.Your question is answered in Heb. 8.
Where did I say you can't question the bible? I didn't. Now what were you saying about fabricating arguments? Oopsies!
Did you read the same thing as me and everyone else? It appeared to say quite a bit more. Don't get me wrong, Mad can ramble on for a while, but my interpretation extended beyond your one-liner.I simply pointed out what the op boiled down to is, "there can't be a God, because there is suffering."
Perhaps you should try again.
You asked why the laws were changed and Heb 8 states why. You may claim it is insufficient to your taste but don't add more layers of dishonesty to you bag of crybaby tears.
"For if there had been nothing wrong with that first covenant, no place would have been sought for another. But God found fault with the people and said..."
Hebrews 8 - PassageLookup - New International Version - BibleGateway.com
There are many reasons why I am not a Christian. One of them is because I am thoroughly repulsed by the masochistic overtones of the Crucifixion story and the whole glorification of martyrdom that goes with it. The cross has to be one of the most creepy religious symbols ever.
trolling?
I am not trolling
I am asking reasonable questions that you are obviously either too stupid to understand or afraid to answer
is your god going to burn billions of people in hell forever is they have sex outside of marriage?
or get divorced?
or are gay?
or are atheist?
and how do you manage to reconcile your belief that slavery is wrong while god insists that slavery is ok?
You asked a list of questions based on premises I have not stated nor accept yet demand an explanation. That's trolling.
do you or do you not agree with god on slavery?
is your god going to condemn decent people to eternal hell for having sex outside of marriage?
or being gay?
or getting divorced?
are you afraid to answer these questions?
I was raised (in my early years) by two pinkos with VERY independent minds, and taught such things as how to read. When the folks were gone, I was raised in a Catholic orphanage. All religion, all the time, 24/7. I said the rosary every night and went to Confession every Saturday. I had Religious Instruction every day at school. So why didn't it stick?
The first thing I objected to was this need some folks seemed to have to have their asses kissed because they were Clergy. It didn't help that they were, almost to a person, sadistic, uncaring, evil fuckwhits. Ass kissing has just never been part of my skill set. I had a checkmark for "fails to show proper respect to Clergy" on my report card even single time for a decade -- and every time I would think "seems like the proper amount of respect to me -- ZERO."
So in no special order of importance, here's a list of the reasons I am not a Christian. I am hoping someone who is can address any of them and we can dialogue.
1. If God is Omnipotent, then why is there evil in the world? I have heard every single justification for this, from free will to the "evil is necessary so goodness an show up by contrast" one. None of them wash with me.
2. If Christ is the Messiah, then why didn't humanity enjoy a better life after he was here? There were still wars, and poverty, and suffering. I don't think most Christians understand the Jewish concept of a "Messiah". That person is supposed to SAVE us. I'm not feeling the saving bit so much.
3. I don't get what the Holy Spirit is about. A Supreme Being that seems not to have existed before God wanted to knock Mary up and now has no purpose at all.
4. The notion of a Trinity seems to contradict the first of the Ten Commandments: monotheism. If there is only one God, there cannot be three. It just isn't rational.
5. Speaking of rational, thanks for the condemnation of abortion, birth control, sex for Clergy (that paid off so well, didn't it?), people who are not Catholic (or whatever flavor you may be), etc. A special thanks to the "Creationism" nutters who've brought a new age of enlightenment into the classroom.
6. How is it "Christian" to deny food or medical care to a child if their parents won't first agree to convert to your religion? If your religion is so great, won't the people whom you serve eventually get curious about it? Why's it okay to coerce people into relinquishing their culture and their beliefs in favor of yours because you have the economic upper hand?
7. If prayer actually works, and God actually listens, isn't it evil to pray for the defeat of a high school football team or the results of a test? Doesn't God expect that you'll only pray for stuff that brings you closer to him?
8. How is it possible to reconcile, in your own mind, all the hatred and aggression undertaken in the name of religion with any message of any major religion? You know that it is wrong. How is it okay to commit Major Evil as long as you invoke God's name?
9. How can you seriously believe that a man in a red jump suit "tempts" you? Why can't you just accept responsibility for the evil you do? You're human -- no one has to tempt you. You're full of evil, selfish impulses and can only control them through the wonders of social conditioning, like the rest of us.
10. Why do you need a "promise of Heaven" to do what you know is right? Don't you have a conscience? When you do the wrong thing, don't you feel that?
By the way, I don't belong to any organized religion but I singled out Christians because I have been treated to their irrationality somewhat more often. No Muslim or Jew or Buddist, etc. has ever prosletized to me.
All this boils down to one thing.
The arrogance of man.
Who's being irrational? This all boils down to, "If there was a God, he would do things MY WAY. But, since things aren't being done my way, there can't be a God."
Did it EVER occur to you, that just because things are out of YOUR control, it doesn't mean it's out of God's control?
Stop projecting. It cracks me up. People think they are being soooooooooooooo philosophical with these objections, when what they are really being is INFANTILE.
It's all about ME! Things aren't going as the great I ME MINE would like it, so there is no God.
The little secret here is these people think THEY should be God.
Boo hoo hoo. There's suffering in the world?
Well DUH!!!!!!!! Where did God (in the Bible) ever say there wouldn't be?
Unbelievable. Grow up!
Better thread title:
Why would anybody care why Madmutt is or isn't a Christian or a Jew or a Muslim or a Druid . . . .
so
is your god going to burn billions of people in hell forever is they have sex outside of marriage?
or get divorced?
or are gay?
or are atheist?
and how do you manage to reconcile your belief that slavery is wrong while god insists that slavery is ok?
I assume, of course, that you do disagree with god on this issue....
how do you feel telling god he/she is wrong about slavery?
are you afraid of eternal punishment?
If you keep this up some government genius bureaucrat is going to find a way to make people get an operator's license for trolling like we have driver's licenses for cars.
trolling?
I am not trolling
I am asking reasonable questions that you are obviously either too stupid to understand or afraid to answer
is your god going to burn billions of people in hell forever is they have sex outside of marriage?
or get divorced?
or are gay?
or are atheist?
and how do you manage to reconcile your belief that slavery is wrong while god insists that slavery is ok?
