Why I Am Not A Christian

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Maybe some of the experts herecan both distinguish between the Catholic and Protestant Cross, and explain the meaning of each.

There is no difference my child. Christ died on the cross for all of us. The only way to Heaven and eternal life is through Jesus. If you fail to believe in Him then you will be cast out, there will be weeping and knashing of teeth for all of eternity.

Nice that you have interest in your vocation. What I was referring to was the Crucifix having the body of Christ on it, and the Protestant Cross not. One more focused on the cost or sacrifice. The other focused more on what was overcome.

 

[CurveLight]

Oh boy you are one dumb hick. This is your free tutor lesson of the day. If you require anymore you must first obtain paypal info and pay a sufficient amount. So. Please. Pay. Attention.

A masochist will subject him/herself to punishment/pain purely out of seeking that pain. They will often go to a place....house in the suburbs or a "massage" parlor in the city and they will pay money or be in a reciprocal relationship.

What Jesus did was accept the consequences of his actions. He accepted responsibility for his actions. That is not "subjecting yourself to pain" you dumb fucking hick. He did not run to the Roman/Temple rulers and say:

"Oh please beat the fuck out of me for the hell of it."

You really should not get your biblical knowledge from shitty snuff films made my anti-Semitic fuckwads like Gibson.

Do you see the difference yet? If not....get ready to paypal your way to another lesson you drowner.

Looks like you went to another dictionary to explain something for you, you copied and pasted the dumbed down version, and once again ignored all other definitions of the same word. "house in the suburbs"? Wow. As the previous definitions I posted specifically demonstrated, he did not need to go to anyone and ask or pay for the pain. He simply needed to allow it to be brought upon him. He was given chances to lessen the pain, and he refused. I couldn't help note that you didn't deny this. In fact you completely ignored it.

As for your entertaining paypal reference, I take this to mean you find yourself thoroughly beat on this topic, and you're trying to give yourself a way out of continuing it so as not to continue looking so foolish. Good effort, but too late.

I'm disgusted with punks like you because you're so dishonest.

Once again. He accepted the consequnces for his actions. If someone gets a speeding ticket and pays the fine does that make them an economic masochist? No. They accepted responsibility for their actions.

He "allowed" it because he accepted responsibility for his actions. Do you get that yet you fucking toxic ****? He even wanted to avoid it all together. I'm guessing you're ignorant of the weeping prayers he engaged just prior to his arrest begging for a way to avoid the Crucifixion.

Like I said, you're the kind of whiny bitch that focuses more on posters instead of the topic and that is why you cannot debate nor be honest so I don't give a fuck what you do because you aren't worthy of concern.

 

[CurveLight]

Maybe some of the experts herecan both distinguish between the Catholic and Protestant Cross, and explain the meaning of each.

Wow that could be a tome. There are so many variations within those two that a contrast requires a layered web of conceptual translators without compromising underlying theological contradictions. Basically, I don't have the first fucking clue where to begin.

 

[CurveLight]

It still represents a bloody, humiliating death.

To me it represents Pure Love. He broke many laws of the Temple and Roman Empire but he committed no real crime, except maybe the property destruction of the Temple. Yet he practiced what he preached and freely gave his life to improve and save the lives of many people he didn't even know. He even loved those who fucked him over. The real test of love is much like the test for defending free speech: if you don't stand up for the rights of your enemies you are never standing at all.

The humiliation does not fall on the one on the Cross. Only on the ones who put him there.

 

[Madeline]

I, Yukon, am a former priest of the Roman Catholic Church. I was, I am , and I will die CHRISTIAN.

PRAISE JEASUS for He is the only path to Heaven and Life Eternal.

Yukon, why are you misspelling "Jesus"? Is it something Canadian?

 

[Yukon.]

Madeline,

Even I make mistakes on occasion. Thank you for pointing it out to me.

p.s. I never buy cookies from the Girl Guides.

 

[del]

Madeline,

Even I make mistakes on occasion. Thank you for pointing it out to me.

p.s. I never buy cookies from the Girl Guides.

does your ankle bracelet give you a shock if you approach them?

perhaps you could buy them on the internet, eh, *father*?

 

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Maybe some of the experts herecan both distinguish between the Catholic and Protestant Cross, and explain the meaning of each.

Wow that could be a tome. There are so many variations within those two that a contrast requires a layered web of conceptual translators without compromising underlying theological contradictions. Basically, I don't have the first fucking clue where to begin.

The Catholic Encyclopedia
Archæology of the Cross and Crucifix

CATHOLIC ENCYCLOPEDIA: Archaeology of the Cross and Crucifix

 

[CurveLight]

I, Yukon, am a former priest of the Roman Catholic Church. I was, I am , and I will die CHRISTIAN.

PRAISE JEASUS for He is the only path to Heaven and Life Eternal.

Yukon, why are you misspelling "Jesus"? Is it something Canadian?

Maybe some of the experts herecan both distinguish between the Catholic and Protestant Cross, and explain the meaning of each.

Wow that could be a tome. There are so many variations within those two that a contrast requires a layered web of conceptual translators without compromising underlying theological contradictions. Basically, I don't have the first fucking clue where to begin.

The Catholic Encyclopedia
Archæology of the Cross and Crucifix

CATHOLIC ENCYCLOPEDIA: Archaeology of the Cross and Crucifix

I'm familiar with the textbook approach but I was speaking more on the dynamics of the theological evolutions regarding the symbol of the Cross.

Personally, I abhor all Crosses worn as jewelry and especially the gold/jeweled Crosses because it's basically pissing all over what Christ did while people try to shower themselves in self righteous costumes.

 

[Madeline]

Madeline,

Even I make mistakes on occasion. Thank you for pointing it out to me.

p.s. I never buy cookies from the Girl Guides.

No worries, Yukon. If you had said it was Canadian, I'd have believed you.

Please lose the mass murderer avatar; it is creeping me out.

 

[JW Frogen]

Note to self;

Never serve Ms. Madeline fava beans and nice Chianti on a first date.

 

[CurveLight]

"Frogen, confess. What is this divine looking amuse bouche?"


"I'm afraid if I tell you, you won't even try it."

 

[SmarterThanHick]

There are many interpretations of the cross or crucifix. You point to one of many. We agree on that one.

Yes, we do agree that it is an interpretation. CurveLight however says such cannot be an interpretation.

Once again. He accepted the consequnces for his actions. If someone gets a speeding ticket and pays the fine does that make them an economic masochist?

Well, yes. If someone knowingly speeds over a prolonged period of time, accumulating and paying off tickets, it can similarly be said to be a financially masochistic tendency. Masochism has nothing to do with accepting consequences for ones actions. It's clear you STILL don't understand the actual meaning of the word. And look! People who speed don't even need to "go to a house in the suburbs" to pay for sexual gratification! Hey, you're starting to catch on now.

He "allowed" it because he accepted responsibility for his actions. Do you get that yet you fucking toxic ****? He even wanted to avoid it all together. I'm guessing you're ignorant of the weeping prayers he engaged just prior to his arrest begging for a way to avoid the Crucifixion.

Like I said, you're the kind of whiny bitch that focuses more on posters instead of the topic and that is why you cannot debate nor be honest so I don't give a fuck what you do because you aren't worthy of concern.

And as usual, you wrap up your lack of a supported point with more useless name calling. It's clear to me you take any opinion that differs from your own personally, which makes you incapable of discussion, or seeing another point of view. There's a word for that you may want to look up in your fail-dictionary: blind.

 

[CurveLight]

There are many interpretations of the cross or crucifix. You point to one of many. We agree on that one.

Yes, we do agree that it is an interpretation. CurveLight however says such cannot be an interpretation.

Once again. He accepted the consequnces for his actions. If someone gets a speeding ticket and pays the fine does that make them an economic masochist?

Well, yes. If someone knowingly speeds over a prolonged period of time, accumulating and paying off tickets, it can similarly be said to be a financially masochistic tendency. Masochism has nothing to do with accepting consequences for ones actions. It's clear you STILL don't understand the actual meaning of the word. And look! People who speed don't even need to "go to a house in the suburbs" to pay for sexual gratification! Hey, you're starting to catch on now.

He "allowed" it because he accepted responsibility for his actions. Do you get that yet you fucking toxic ****? He even wanted to avoid it all together. I'm guessing you're ignorant of the weeping prayers he engaged just prior to his arrest begging for a way to avoid the Crucifixion.

Like I said, you're the kind of whiny bitch that focuses more on posters instead of the topic and that is why you cannot debate nor be honest so I don't give a fuck what you do because you aren't worthy of concern.

And as usual, you wrap up your lack of a supported point with more useless name calling. It's clear to me you take any opinion that differs from your own personally, which makes you incapable of discussion, or seeing another point of view. There's a word for that you may want to look up in your fail-dictionary: blind.

"He even wanted to avoid it all together. I'm guessing you're ignorant of the weeping prayers he engaged just prior to his arrest begging for a way to avoid the Crucifixion."

You ignored that because you're a dishonest fuck.

 

[SmarterThanHick]

Again, you claim everything is dishonest whenever I don't address your useless unrelated ramblings. I can shoot down every single sentence of yours but what's the point? In this case, he did NOT avoid the pain when offered a numbing drug. He could have lessened it but instead willingly took the full brunt of it. You continue to exhibit your incapacity to understand the actual meaning of this word.

Let me know if there are any other useless noncontributory sentences of yours you wish me to shoot down. In the meantime, stop whining everytime I don't address every letter.

 

[CurveLight]

Again, you claim everything is dishonest whenever I don't address your useless unrelated ramblings. I can shoot down every single sentence of yours but what's the point? In this case, he did NOT avoid the pain when offered a numbing drug. He could have lessened it but instead willingly took the full brunt of it. You continue to exhibit your incapacity to understand the actual meaning of this word.

Let me know if there are any other useless noncontributory sentences of yours you wish me to shoot down. In the meantime, stop whining everytime I don't address every letter.

Pointing out Jesus begged to avoid being Crucified is "non-contributory?" Rotfl!

He didn't drink the wine because he chose to accept full responsibility for his actions. Hmmmm...how many more times you need that spelled out?

Even people who think I'm a complete asshole can see you're doing nothing but embarrassing yourself.

 

[Intense]

John Chapter 17

17:1 These words spake Jesus, and lifted up his eyes to heaven, and said, Father, the hour is come; glorify thy Son, that thy Son also may glorify thee:

17:2 As thou hast given him power over all flesh, that he should give eternal life to as many as thou hast given him.

17:3 And this is life eternal, that they might know thee the only true God, and Jesus Christ, whom thou hast sent.

17:4 I have glorified thee on the earth: I have finished the work which thou gavest me to do.

17:5 And now, O Father, glorify thou me with thine own self with the glory which I had with thee before the world was.

17:6 I have manifested thy name unto the men which thou gavest me out of the world: thine they were, and thou gavest them me; and they have kept thy word.

17:7 Now they have known that all things whatsoever thou hast given me are of thee.

17:8 For I have given unto them the words which thou gavest me; and they have received them, and have known surely that I came out from thee, and they have believed that thou didst send me.

17:9 I pray for them: I pray not for the world, but for them which thou hast given me; for they are thine.

17:10 And all mine are thine, and thine are mine; and I am glorified in them.

17:11 And now I am no more in the world, but these are in the world, and I come to thee. Holy Father, keep through thine own name those whom thou hast given me, that they may be one, as we are.

17:12 While I was with them in the world, I kept them in thy name: those that thou gavest me I have kept, and none of them is lost, but the son of perdition; that the scripture might be fulfilled.

17:13 And now come I to thee; and these things I speak in the world, that they might have my joy fulfilled in themselves.

17:14 I have given them thy word; and the world hath hated them, because they are not of the world, even as I am not of the world.

17:15 I pray not that thou shouldest take them out of the world, but that thou shouldest keep them from the evil.

17:16 They are not of the world, even as I am not of the world.

17:17 Sanctify them through thy truth: thy word is truth.

17:18 As thou hast sent me into the world, even so have I also sent them into the world.

17:19 And for their sakes I sanctify myself, that they also might be sanctified through the truth.

17:20 Neither pray I for these alone, but for them also which shall believe on me through their word;

17:21 That they all may be one; as thou, Father, art in me, and I in thee, that they also may be one in us: that the world may believe that thou hast sent me.

17:22 And the glory which thou gavest me I have given them; that they may be one, even as we are one:

17:23 I in them, and thou in me, that they may be made perfect in one; and that the world may know that thou hast sent me, and hast loved them, as thou hast loved me.

17:24 Father, I will that they also, whom thou hast given me, be with me where I am; that they may behold my glory, which thou hast given me: for thou lovedst me before the foundation of the world.

17:25 O righteous Father, the world hath not known thee: but I have known thee, and these have known that thou hast sent me.

17:26 And I have declared unto them thy name, and will declare it: that the love wherewith thou hast loved me may be in them, and I in them.


The Holy Bible

 

[SmarterThanHick]

He didn't drink the wine because he chose to accept full responsibility for his actions. Hmmmm...how many more times you need that spelled out?

Which still has nothing to do with the concept of masochism. This is going in circles. I continually return to the actual point being made, and you continually return to irrelevant or preceding moments that don't actually have anything to do with the concept of the point. It's sad you keep looking for excuses, but pain and responsibility are not inherently linked. Pain and masochism is. Further, people finding joy in the telling of this brutal story similarly holds masochistic overtones.

Even other Christians who appear to know the bible better than you agree that it is a valid interpretation. Stop being all butt-hurt and taking it as a personal insult and just accept it.

 

[Intense]

He didn't drink the wine because he chose to accept full responsibility for his actions. Hmmmm...how many more times you need that spelled out?

Which still has nothing to do with the concept of masochism. This is going in circles. I continually return to the actual point being made, and you continually return to irrelevant or preceding moments that don't actually have anything to do with the concept of the point. It's sad you keep looking for excuses, but pain and responsibility are not inherently linked. Pain and masochism is. Further, people finding joy in the telling of this brutal story similarly holds masochistic overtones.

Even other Christians who appear to know the bible better than you agree that it is a valid interpretation. Stop being all butt-hurt and taking it as a personal insult and just accept it.

It is you that refuse to see what is before you so that you can go on chasing your tail. Don't let reality stand in the way of you bigotry. You are about as objective on Christianity as a Klansman at a MLKing rally. Real main stream.

 

[SmarterThanHick]

It is you that refuse to see what is before you so that you can go on chasing your tail. Don't let reality stand in the way of you bigotry. You are about as objective on Christianity as a Klansman at a MLKing rally. Real main stream.

What bigotry? You yourself already agreed with me that one interpretation suggests masochistic overtones. So it appears my objectivity is doing just fine. So please point out this bigotry you mention.

There are many interpretations of the cross or crucifix. You point to one of many. We agree on that one.

Were you mistaken then or are you mistaken now? Is it a valid interpretation or not?