Why is Building the Wall Wrong?

[Wyatt earp]

Climb this wall



View attachment 236503

Do you really believe that wall couldn't be compromised?

The excuses for not having a wall has been debunked a hundred times on this thread and the dozen or so just like it.

It won't work. How do you know until it's built?

It will take away our freedoms. How? Name me one freedom I would lose by a wall a thousand miles away from me.

It will be too authoritative and promote dictatorship. HTF can a wall change a country and politics?

It's racist. Why, because the people who are constantly sneaking into our country have different color skin, and it it were white people, we would be okay with invaders?

It won't stop drugs. Most of the heroin coming into the US is from Mexico.

They will dig tunnels. They dig tunnels now! Do you know how many months it takes to dig tunnels?

You're not interested at all in actual border security, you're just trying to save Trump's legacy.

Redirect to a comment from a Republican House member whose district in Texas is 800 miles of the border. Click here to redirect to the post on this thread
Why is Building the Wall Wrong?

It's a deterrent to fat ass Mexicans


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I don't think there's too many fat Mexican's walking across deserts to climb walls and fences.

Yep no fat people.

Uhm because they can't climb it?.I see no old people or children either



Logic escapes you doesn't it ..


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If you would have actually read the article 2/3's of the illegals in this country flew in on visa's and overstayed their visas. And as you can see from the pictures, I really don't see a problem with bringing ropes and $2.00 dollar caribeaners to lift elderly, women and children up and over those fences & walls safely.

A couple drug mules here packing marijuana over a steel fence.

I see a woman in this one, and what looks like to be a couple of kids.

Look they built a platform on their side of the fence.

Just to keep in mind that every one of these type structures were designed specifically to keep people from getting over them. And we haven't even got to digging underneath them yet.

Which is explained at the end of this 2-1/2 minute video.


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Once again they are a deterrent, what do you want people to just walk across the border?.

And it's not expensive we just gave 10 billion dollars to Mexico and south American countries.




It's all about Trump's name and you all don't want to lose votes

 

[Wyatt earp]

Climb this wall



View attachment 236503

Do you really believe that wall couldn't be compromised?

The excuses for not having a wall has been debunked a hundred times on this thread and the dozen or so just like it.

It won't work. How do you know until it's built?

It will take away our freedoms. How? Name me one freedom I would lose by a wall a thousand miles away from me.

It will be too authoritative and promote dictatorship. HTF can a wall change a country and politics?

It's racist. Why, because the people who are constantly sneaking into our country have different color skin, and it it were white people, we would be okay with invaders?

It won't stop drugs. Most of the heroin coming into the US is from Mexico.

They will dig tunnels. They dig tunnels now! Do you know how many months it takes to dig tunnels?

You're not interested at all in actual border security, you're just trying to save Trump's legacy.

Redirect to a comment from a Republican House member whose district in Texas is 800 miles of the border. Click here to redirect to the post on this thread
Why is Building the Wall Wrong?

It's a deterrent to fat ass Mexicans


.

I don't think there's too many fat Mexican's walking across deserts to climb walls and fences.

Yep no fat people.

Uhm because they can't climb it?.I see no old people or children either



Logic escapes you doesn't it ..


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If you would have actually read the article 2/3's of the illegals in this country flew in on visa's and overstayed their visas. And as you can see from the pictures, I really don't see a problem with bringing ropes and $2.00 dollar caribeaners to lift elderly, women and children up and over those fences & walls safely.

A couple drug mules here packing marijuana over a steel fence.

I see a woman in this one, and what looks like to be a couple of kids.

Look they built a platform on their side of the fence.

Just to keep in mind that every one of these type structures were designed specifically to keep people from getting over them. And we haven't even got to digging underneath them yet.

Which is explained at the end of this 2-1/2 minute video.


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So say we don't have a wall and 60 illegals rush the border at one time, what's going to slow them down on border agent car? A drone .



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[Ray From Cleveland]

Well you have an option.

1. Spend 47 BILLION dollars on a wall or steel slates that we know doesn't work
2. Go with the recommendations of border security experts and use high technology to secure the border. Something that would be more effective and cost efficient.

So WTF are you getting this 47 billion dollar figure from? Trump is asking for 5.8.

We know a wall will work because of the many other places around the world (and in the US) where they do work.

We need a wall because it's a permanent object; something the Democrats can't remove like they can with , laws and technology. We all know Democrats want as many illegals in this country as possible, and a wall will stop their attempts should they regain total control over the federal government. It's why they fill your heads with this crap that a wall won't work. Democrats are scared to death of a wall not because it won't work, but because it will. If they really believed what they told you, they wouldn't give the slightest fight over it. They would be able to use it's failure for the next couple of generations.

The wall is life or death to Democrats. That's why they are willing to shutdown the government over it. No matter what it costs, they are not going to allow it to be built because it's success would ruin their entire plot.

 

[Dragonlady]

A- Cost prohibitive
B- Won't work
C- It's racist
D- It would reduce those successfully crossing the border
E- None of the Above

The machine benefits by not having a wall. Business (Republicans) get their cheap labor and (Democrats) get the votes

You scratch my back, I'll scratch yours

There is no excuse for the Republicans not funding the wall.

-Geaux

What is wrong with building the wall? I voted for Trump. Trump is wrong, like the liberals. We need to tear down the border wall. What we really need make a national identity card. Linked to fingerprints. You don't get a job if you can't prove your identity linked to your real immigration status . Why Replicratrats are so opposed to that, boggles my mind.

Well, let me help you unboggle your mind. Why not start by reading Orwell's book 1984. It was a warning in the form of a novel.

The government big enough to give you all you want is big enough to take all you have... a quote by a famous Republican

Nobody on the right is asking the government to "give" us anything. We are asking the government to stop something that we citizens cannot stop by ourselves. Big difference.

You are asking taxpayers to pay more than $25 billion for something that doesn’t work and that Trump promised Mexico would pay for. Furthermore, Trump is putting tens of thousands of people into custody in tent cities at a cost of hundreds of millions of dollars.

Trump is spending millions and millions and just making the situation worse.

 

[Dragonlady]

Well you have an option.

1. Spend 47 BILLION dollars on a wall or steel slates that we know doesn't work
2. Go with the recommendations of border security experts and use high technology to secure the border. Something that would be more effective and cost efficient.

So WTF are you getting this 47 billion dollar figure from? Trump is asking for 5.8.

We know a wall will work because of the many other places around the world (and in the US) where they do work.

We need a wall because it's a permanent object; something the Democrats can't remove like they can with , laws and technology. We all know Democrats want as many illegals in this country as possible, and a wall will stop their attempts should they regain total control over the federal government. It's why they fill your heads with this crap that a wall won't work. Democrats are scared to death of a wall not because it won't work, but because it will. If they really believed what they told you, they wouldn't give the slightest fight over it. They would be able to use it's failure for the next couple of generations.

The wall is life or death to Democrats. That's why they are willing to shutdown the government over it. No matter what it costs, they are not going to allow it to be built because it's success would ruin their entire plot.

The $5 billion isn’t to pay for the wall. It’s to start construction. The wall will cost at least $25 billion and probably closer to $40 billion. And then there’s another $200 million contract for the fir profit prison people to run the tent cities.

 

[Flopper]

Do you really believe that wall couldn't be compromised?

Sure it could. So can prison fences. So can jails. It happens now and then. But the point is it makes it much more difficult for those that are hell bent on trying. For the rest, they will realize the efforts and risks are too great, and they payoff (if any) not worthy. Because even if they could draw the attention by getting past a wall, it likely won't be long until a border agent on the other side arrests them and sends them back to the other side.

Keep in mind the wall is really an unknown factor. It may be solid or slats. It may have barbed wire, electric wire, or nothing on top. Once it's built it becomes a known factor and can not easily be changed. That means coyotes will figure out the fastest method of crossing which maybe ladders, climbing carabiners, or some type power lift. However, you can be sure once the fence is built people are going to cross it. You can't stop them No wall can keep people out if they have access to the right equipment. It can only delay crossing. People who have crossed existing border walls estimated that the delay would only be 1 to 2 minutes over current reinforced fencing. That might be useful in densely populated area but in remote ares which are 85% of the border a couple of minutes delay would be meaningless.

 

[Markle]

You said, "Italians, Germans, Asians and now Latinos all cost the first year. All subsequent years they contribute way more than our old white farts here sucking off their socialist benefits"

You obviously are unaware that social security was paid for with taking out 7.5% of wages with employer requirements matching to the government for a lifetime of work--12 times a year or 52 times a year depending on whether we received monthly or weekly wages. The cruel part is that we were promised interest payments would be returned into Social Security right up until the time politicians got greedy and decided to "borrow" the interest and sometimes the principals for their pet rock projects. Call us what you will, but we paid for our retirement benefits way ahead of time and with no choice and no say in the investments which were expropriated by very evil people who used it to get higher salaries for themselves and the people who pleasured them. One thing about taxes and promises. What it buys is not only never good enough, it also is not what was intended when we agreed to pay it. I paid my fair share always, regardless of what foul name you care to call other people than yourself who receive the benefits every one of us has to pay from our earnings..

Your post is 100% WRONG.

At the turn of the century, immigrants cost us nothing.

Employees now pay 15.3%. The smoke and mirrors want you to believe your employer pays. Nonsense, otherwise that money would go to you.

We were never promised a return of the money we paid into Social Security plus interest. That's just foolish.

There has never been a separate, Social Security Trust Account. Any and all money paid into Social Security by workers has been used to pay current recipients. Any surplus is invested in Treasury Bills which puts the money into the General Fund and is spent.

Next time you post, please do some basic research. Your rant just looks foolish.

Common knowledge of business practices before you were born never came to your attention, did they, grade school?

Your problem is your severe failure to keep either current events you don't like on the back burner or you just never bothered to learn what was going on. Thanks to my dear parents, I have been reading (and remembering) news stories since I was six years old, the first of which was an unusually good picture of Ike Eisenhower winning his first term presidency. And you either have a reading comprehension problem, or you were unaware that following the Great Depression of the 1930s, Social Security came with the understanding those paying into it would have a retirement income and that any interest earned on the money Americans paid into the system would be funneled back into the system for the benefit of the security of the people who paid into it.

Go stand in the corner, kiddo. And listen well to the tone.

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So, once again, you have nothing. Good to see that at least you deny nothing I posted.

 

[Wyatt earp]

A- Cost prohibitive
B- Won't work
C- It's racist
D- It would reduce those successfully crossing the border
E- None of the Above

The machine benefits by not having a wall. Business (Republicans) get their cheap labor and (Democrats) get the votes

You scratch my back, I'll scratch yours

There is no excuse for the Republicans not funding the wall.

-Geaux

What is wrong with building the wall? I voted for Trump. Trump is wrong, like the liberals. We need to tear down the border wall. What we really need make a national identity card. Linked to fingerprints. You don't get a job if you can't prove your identity linked to your real immigration status . Why Replicratrats are so opposed to that, boggles my mind.

Well, let me help you unboggle your mind. Why not start by reading Orwell's book 1984. It was a warning in the form of a novel.

The government big enough to give you all you want is big enough to take all you have... a quote by a famous Republican

Nobody on the right is asking the government to "give" us anything. We are asking the government to stop something that we citizens cannot stop by ourselves. Big difference.

You are asking taxpayers to pay more than $25 billion for something that doesn’t work and that Trump promised Mexico would pay for. Furthermore, Trump is putting tens of thousands of people into custody in tent cities at a cost of hundreds of millions of dollars.

Trump is spending millions and millions and just making the situation worse.

If we had a wall we wouldn't have all those people in tent cities, they just walked over .

 

[Markle]

ou are asking taxpayers to pay more than $25 billion for something that doesn’t work and that Trump promised Mexico would pay for. Furthermore, Trump is putting tens of thousands of people into custody in tent cities at a cost of hundreds of millions of dollars.

Trump is spending millions and millions and just making the situation worse.

You know the wall will not work because?

Concerning the wall Israel built between themselves and the Palestinians.

Where ever it is deployed, apprehension stands at 100%.

Yes - 100% success rate at apprehending infiltrators.

If you want further data, it is available through another case study, the more veteran array around Gaza. Same numbers.

In fact, it is the ultimate success of this defensive array which led the Hamas and others, to move to a focus on artillery attacks against Israeli civilians.

Now - these are awful as well, but I'll take this threat over suicide bomber blowing up in shopping malls any day of the week.

https://www.quora.com/Has-the-Israeli-barrier-in-the-West-Bank-been-effective-in-protecting-Israel

 

[Flopper]

Your personal attacks are indicative of the FEAR you have that your arguments aren't working. I accept your concession of defeat.

You attacked me first , now answer my questions propaganda boi..



Tell us are fences and walls on people's property , in effective and should be outlawed In your free society?

There are fences in my neighborhood. A "crew" recently went through the place and got six of my neighbors, stealing all their valuables. My fence is down. I did not get hit. My methods provided a greater deterrent with less imposition and not having this mistaken notion than walls or fences prevented those guys from attempting to take what I own.

You have an asinine analogy that does not apply anyway. The wall will require ninja clad, machine gun toting mercenaries wanting more and more power, taking ALL your Liberties under the pretext of maintaining this wall. You seem to be one talking skeet and promoting propaganda. And, no sir, I have NOT started any name calling with you or anyone else. I might attack your ideas and poke fun at the low IQ people you hang with, but like it or not, you may have to rely on me to defend your Rights one day - IF you have a change of heart and decide that you NEVER give up essential Liberty for the promise of Temporary Safety.

What liberties am I giving up if the wall is built?

I've answered that twice in this thread. READ IT. This repetitive stuff is for people that are too stupid to read OR cannot understand that the excuses for the wall have been refuted hundreds of times on this thread.

The excuses for not having a wall has been debunked a hundred times on this thread and the dozen or so just like it.

It won't work. How do you know until it's built?

It will take away our freedoms. How? Name me one freedom I would lose by a wall a thousand miles away from me.

It will be too authoritative and promote dictatorship. HTF can a wall change a country and politics?

It's racist. Why, because the people who are constantly sneaking into our country have different color skin, and it it were white people, we would be okay with invaders?

It won't stop drugs. Most of the heroin coming into the US is from Mexico.

They will dig tunnels. They dig tunnels now! Do you know how many months it takes to dig tunnels?

The wall in Israel like the Berlin Wall worked because the guards could be at any attempted crossing in minutes. That is not the case with our 2000 mile border. Unless we have thousands of miles of monitoring and border guards, migrants will stream across the remote areas of the border. However, if we had that degree of monitoring and border guards there would be no reason for the wall.

 

[Wyatt earp]

You attacked me first , now answer my questions propaganda boi..



Tell us are fences and walls on people's property , in effective and should be outlawed In your free society?

There are fences in my neighborhood. A "crew" recently went through the place and got six of my neighbors, stealing all their valuables. My fence is down. I did not get hit. My methods provided a greater deterrent with less imposition and not having this mistaken notion than walls or fences prevented those guys from attempting to take what I own.

You have an asinine analogy that does not apply anyway. The wall will require ninja clad, machine gun toting mercenaries wanting more and more power, taking ALL your Liberties under the pretext of maintaining this wall. You seem to be one talking skeet and promoting propaganda. And, no sir, I have NOT started any name calling with you or anyone else. I might attack your ideas and poke fun at the low IQ people you hang with, but like it or not, you may have to rely on me to defend your Rights one day - IF you have a change of heart and decide that you NEVER give up essential Liberty for the promise of Temporary Safety.

What liberties am I giving up if the wall is built?

I've answered that twice in this thread. READ IT. This repetitive stuff is for people that are too stupid to read OR cannot understand that the excuses for the wall have been refuted hundreds of times on this thread.

The excuses for not having a wall has been debunked a hundred times on this thread and the dozen or so just like it.

It won't work. How do you know until it's built?

It will take away our freedoms. How? Name me one freedom I would lose by a wall a thousand miles away from me.

It will be too authoritative and promote dictatorship. HTF can a wall change a country and politics?

It's racist. Why, because the people who are constantly sneaking into our country have different color skin, and it it were white people, we would be okay with invaders?

It won't stop drugs. Most of the heroin coming into the US is from Mexico.

They will dig tunnels. They dig tunnels now! Do you know how many months it takes to dig tunnels?

The wall in Israel like the Berlin Wall worked because the guards could be at any attempted crossing in minutes. That is not the case with our 2000 mile border. Unless we have thousands of miles of monitoring and border guards, migrants will stream across the remote areas of the border. However, if we had that degree of monitoring and border guards there would be no reason for the wall.

So they going to walk 500 miles out of there way to scale a wall ? Wouldn't the gaurds spot them and just drive over there?


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[Wyatt earp]

A- Cost prohibitive
B- Won't work
C- It's racist
D- It would reduce those successfully crossing the border
E- None of the Above

The machine benefits by not having a wall. Business (Republicans) get their cheap labor and (Democrats) get the votes

You scratch my back, I'll scratch yours

There is no excuse for the Republicans not funding the wall.

-Geaux

What is wrong with building the wall? I voted for Trump. Trump is wrong, like the liberals. We need to tear down the border wall. What we really need make a national identity card. Linked to fingerprints. You don't get a job if you can't prove your identity linked to your real immigration status . Why Replicratrats are so opposed to that, boggles my mind.

Well, let me help you unboggle your mind. Why not start by reading Orwell's book 1984. It was a warning in the form of a novel.

The government big enough to give you all you want is big enough to take all you have... a quote by a famous Republican

Nobody on the right is asking the government to "give" us anything. We are asking the government to stop something that we citizens cannot stop by ourselves. Big difference.

You are asking taxpayers to pay more than $25 billion for something that doesn’t work and that Trump promised Mexico would pay for. Furthermore, Trump is putting tens of thousands of people into custody in tent cities at a cost of hundreds of millions of dollars.

Trump is spending millions and millions and just making the situation worse.

If walls don't work, why have there been so many walls throughout history; why are there so many gated communities and resorts all over the rest of the world with walls; why do gated communities in the US have walls; why do the Vatican and Israel have walls; why do so many wealthy and/or famous US residents have walls around their homes; why do prisons have walls, why do military installations have walls; why are there walls or high fences around electrical installations, missile silos and panoply of other places?



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As far as ladders go, how is a would-be illegal immigrant going to trek all the way to our border carrying a 30-foot ladder? (Oh, I forgot, you wackos are going to aid and abet.) Do you opponents of the wall know how clumsy and heavy a 30-foot ladder is or how much one costs? Have any of you ever tried to pull one up to the top of a tall wall with razorwire or barbed wire on its top, get the ladder and yourself over the top of such a barrier, then lower the ladder down the other side and climb down? Then, how does one get that ladder back over thesaid wall and down the other side for someone else to use? Haveany of you ever carried one, erected one, and used one? Even with climbing gear, if would-be illegal immigrants could get it to the border, it would still be a feat to get over and down the other side of such a wall. Let’s assume, for the sake of argument, that some incredibly fit, determined, equipped, and experiencedperson could get over such a wall with his belongings, how manymight that be out of say 5,000 people?





Are wall opponents so blinded by their ulterior motives that they refuse to or can't see that walls always have and still do deter the movement of people? Have they lost all sense of historical perspective, common sense,powers of observation, and reality? If they are delusional or in a state of deep denial, I hope they get help for Heaven’s sake.

 

[Porter Rockwell]

OMG. You force those who agree with you that problem exists to play the devil's advocate and not let you get away with that LIE.

The ONLY tax that so - called illegals can be accused of not paying is the federal income tax. That is graduated tax - a plank from the Communist Manifesto. You should help repeal that Amendment IF that is your beef.

But, wait... the CHIEF ACTUARY OF THE SSA says 75 percent of those without papers DO pay that tax. EVERYBODY who works under the table, denying to the commies that tribute are doing all of us a public service.

My highlight above.

Liar.

About 6.1 Million Illegals Filed Taxes in US – Many Didn't Pay, Received Refunds


By James Agresti | November 7, 2016 | 2:57 PM EST
[...]
Nonetheless, the contrast between tax returns filed with and without ITINs in 2010 is enlightening. As documented above, 72 percent of ITIN filers paid no income tax and received cash payments through child tax credits. In comparison, only 14 percent of people who filed regular tax returns (with a Social Security number instead of an ITIN) paid no income tax and received these payments.
[...]
About 6.1 Million Illegals Filed Taxes in US – Many Didn't Pay, Received Refunds

"There is also a myth that undocumented immigrants don’t pay any taxes. It is estimated that at least 70 percent of undocumented immigrants work “on the table” through IRS assigned numbers or fake documents. Moreover, Stephen Goss, Social Security’s chief actuary, says that “our assumption is that about three-quarters of other-than- legal pay payroll taxes.” Immigrants do pay taxes, lots of taxes! A 2012 study Massachusetts Immigrants by the Numbers: Demographic characteristics and Economic Footprint found that: • Immigrants comprised 16.7 percent of the state income tax filers in 2009, higher than their 14.0 percent share of population and showed a significant propensity to pay income taxes. • They paid $1.4 billion in Massachusetts state income taxes in 2009. • Immigrant-headed households in Massachusetts paid $1.3 billion in local property taxes in 2009. • Immigrants paid $338 million in sales and excise taxes in 2009 or 14.3 percent of the total. • Low rates of incarceration and institutionalization among immigrants balance costs associated with educating immigrant children. • Immigrants’ reliance on public assistance income is about the same as for natives. 442 Main Street, Malden, MA 02148 Tel (781) 322-9777 Fax (781) 321-1963 www.ilctr.org Diane Portnoy President and CEO 2 • Adult immigrants must wait five years to be eligible for public assistance, while undocumented immigrants cannot receive any transfer payments. • Undocumented immigrants do not receive credit toward future Social Security payments even though they may pay into the system. The IRS estimates that 70 to 75 percent of the undocumented population pays Social Security taxes and those payments are anet benefit to the system estimated at $7 billion annually.(1)"

http://www.ilctr.org/wp-content/uploads/2012/01/immigrants_taxes_use_of_welfare2012.pdf

 

[Porter Rockwell]

Your personal attacks are indicative of the FEAR you have that your arguments aren't working. I accept your concession of defeat.

You attacked me first , now answer my questions propaganda boi..



Tell us are fences and walls on people's property , in effective and should be outlawed In your free society?

There are fences in my neighborhood. A "crew" recently went through the place and got six of my neighbors, stealing all their valuables. My fence is down. I did not get hit. My methods provided a greater deterrent with less imposition and not having this mistaken notion than walls or fences prevented those guys from attempting to take what I own.

You have an asinine analogy that does not apply anyway. The wall will require ninja clad, machine gun toting mercenaries wanting more and more power, taking ALL your Liberties under the pretext of maintaining this wall. You seem to be one talking skeet and promoting propaganda. And, no sir, I have NOT started any name calling with you or anyone else. I might attack your ideas and poke fun at the low IQ people you hang with, but like it or not, you may have to rely on me to defend your Rights one day - IF you have a change of heart and decide that you NEVER give up essential Liberty for the promise of Temporary Safety.

What liberties am I giving up if the wall is built?

I've answered that twice in this thread. READ IT. This repetitive stuff is for people that are too stupid to read OR cannot understand that the excuses for the wall have been refuted hundreds of times on this thread.

The excuses for not having a wall has been debunked a hundred times on this thread and the dozen or so just like it.

It won't work. How do you know until it's built?

It will take away our freedoms. How? Name me one freedom I would lose by a wall a thousand miles away from me.

It will be too authoritative and promote dictatorship. HTF can a wall change a country and politics?

It's racist. Why, because the people who are constantly sneaking into our country have different color skin, and it it were white people, we would be okay with invaders?

It won't stop drugs. Most of the heroin coming into the US is from Mexico.

They will dig tunnels. They dig tunnels now! Do you know how many months it takes to dig tunnels?

The FACT that you are making the idiotic and erroneous claim that you have debunked the facts disproving your claims adds to that body of evidence that you don't understand how the nutty wall idea is going to destroy YOUR Liberty.

 

[Wyatt earp]

You attacked me first , now answer my questions propaganda boi..



Tell us are fences and walls on people's property , in effective and should be outlawed In your free society?

There are fences in my neighborhood. A "crew" recently went through the place and got six of my neighbors, stealing all their valuables. My fence is down. I did not get hit. My methods provided a greater deterrent with less imposition and not having this mistaken notion than walls or fences prevented those guys from attempting to take what I own.

You have an asinine analogy that does not apply anyway. The wall will require ninja clad, machine gun toting mercenaries wanting more and more power, taking ALL your Liberties under the pretext of maintaining this wall. You seem to be one talking skeet and promoting propaganda. And, no sir, I have NOT started any name calling with you or anyone else. I might attack your ideas and poke fun at the low IQ people you hang with, but like it or not, you may have to rely on me to defend your Rights one day - IF you have a change of heart and decide that you NEVER give up essential Liberty for the promise of Temporary Safety.

What liberties am I giving up if the wall is built?

I've answered that twice in this thread. READ IT. This repetitive stuff is for people that are too stupid to read OR cannot understand that the excuses for the wall have been refuted hundreds of times on this thread.

The excuses for not having a wall has been debunked a hundred times on this thread and the dozen or so just like it.

It won't work. How do you know until it's built?

It will take away our freedoms. How? Name me one freedom I would lose by a wall a thousand miles away from me.

It will be too authoritative and promote dictatorship. HTF can a wall change a country and politics?

It's racist. Why, because the people who are constantly sneaking into our country have different color skin, and it it were white people, we would be okay with invaders?

It won't stop drugs. Most of the heroin coming into the US is from Mexico.

They will dig tunnels. They dig tunnels now! Do you know how many months it takes to dig tunnels?

The FACT that you are making the idiotic and erroneous claim that you have debunked the facts disproving your claims adds to that body of evidence that you don't understand how the nutty wall idea is going to destroy YOUR Liberty.

How the heck does protecting our borders so we can have liberty from 3 Rd world shit holes like Mexico, destroy our libertys?

.

 

[Porter Rockwell]

You sound like a parakeet, always rehashing what Hush Bimbo said.

What your sources are not revealing is that they took OTHER precautions - which you conveniently ignore.

What's that gibberish?


I bet you go to a plumber to get an enema , instead of going to a doctor right?

.

Your personal attacks are indicative of the FEAR you have that your arguments aren't working. I accept your concession of defeat.

You attacked me first , now answer my questions propaganda boi..



Tell us are fences and walls on people's property , in effective and should be outlawed In your free society?

There are fences in my neighborhood. A "crew" recently went through the place and got six of my neighbors, stealing all their valuables. My fence is down. I did not get hit. My methods provided a greater deterrent with less imposition and not having this mistaken notion than walls or fences prevented those guys from attempting to take what I own.

You have an asinine analogy that does not apply anyway. The wall will require ninja clad, machine gun toting mercenaries wanting more and more power, taking ALL your Liberties under the pretext of maintaining this wall. You seem to be one talking skeet and promoting propaganda. And, no sir, I have NOT started any name calling with you or anyone else. I might attack your ideas and poke fun at the low IQ people you hang with, but like it or not, you may have to rely on me to defend your Rights one day - IF you have a change of heart and decide that you NEVER give up essential Liberty for the promise of Temporary Safety.

Government providing safety does not take away liberty. I don't know how you can't see it can be one without the other.

Will a wall take away freedoms? Yes it will; freedoms illegals have coming over now. It won't take any freedom away from Americans because the wall is not to keep us from leaving, it's to keep them from entering our country.

What kind of mental midgetry is that? You genuinely need to think about getting back on your meds. Under the right government, the wall can and will be used to keep you in. Trump is not God. He's going to leave office at some point and the infringements you are making possible are treasonous. They WILL bite you in the arse.

 

[Porter Rockwell]

A- Cost prohibitive
B- Won't work
C- It's racist
D- It would reduce those successfully crossing the border
E- None of the Above

The machine benefits by not having a wall. Business (Republicans) get their cheap labor and (Democrats) get the votes

You scratch my back, I'll scratch yours

There is no excuse for the Republicans not funding the wall.

-Geaux

What is wrong with building the wall? I voted for Trump. Trump is wrong, like the liberals. We need to tear down the border wall. What we really need make a national identity card. Linked to fingerprints. You don't get a job if you can't prove your identity linked to your real immigration status . Why Replicratrats are so opposed to that, boggles my mind.

Well, let me help you unboggle your mind. Why not start by reading Orwell's book 1984. It was a warning in the form of a novel.

The government big enough to give you all you want is big enough to take all you have... a quote by a famous Republican

Nobody on the right is asking the government to "give" us anything. We are asking the government to stop something that we citizens cannot stop by ourselves. Big difference.

You want the government to give you a wall for whatever reason you can conjure up as the discussion proceeds. You don't really know why you want it, other than you think Trump is God and you have to move the goalposts accordingly. But, you want him to give you a wall.

 

[Porter Rockwell]

Do you really believe that wall couldn't be compromised?

Sure it could. So can prison fences. So can jails. It happens now and then. But the point is it makes it much more difficult for those that are hell bent on trying. For the rest, they will realize the efforts and risks are too great, and they payoff (if any) not worthy. Because even if they could draw the attention by getting past a wall, it likely won't be long until a border agent on the other side arrests them and sends them back to the other side.

And now the truth comes out. You fantasize about living in a prison. Keep pointing that gun in your avatar. When the wall debate is over and you have, the left is going to take that gun and stick it up your arse under the pretext of making you safe.

 

[basquebromance]

Mulvaney: DHS 'can’t actually' make Mexico pay for border wall

I'm not a math whiz like Mick Mulvaney. How come I know that tax remittances would "make" Mexicans pay for the wall

IN ONE SHORT YEAR? 2017 Mexicans sent $26,167,00,000 to Mexico.

 

[Porter Rockwell]

There are fences in my neighborhood. A "crew" recently went through the place and got six of my neighbors, stealing all their valuables. My fence is down. I did not get hit. My methods provided a greater deterrent with less imposition and not having this mistaken notion than walls or fences prevented those guys from attempting to take what I own.

You have an asinine analogy that does not apply anyway. The wall will require ninja clad, machine gun toting mercenaries wanting more and more power, taking ALL your Liberties under the pretext of maintaining this wall. You seem to be one talking skeet and promoting propaganda. And, no sir, I have NOT started any name calling with you or anyone else. I might attack your ideas and poke fun at the low IQ people you hang with, but like it or not, you may have to rely on me to defend your Rights one day - IF you have a change of heart and decide that you NEVER give up essential Liberty for the promise of Temporary Safety.

What liberties am I giving up if the wall is built?

I've answered that twice in this thread. READ IT. This repetitive stuff is for people that are too stupid to read OR cannot understand that the excuses for the wall have been refuted hundreds of times on this thread.

The excuses for not having a wall has been debunked a hundred times on this thread and the dozen or so just like it.

It won't work. How do you know until it's built?

It will take away our freedoms. How? Name me one freedom I would lose by a wall a thousand miles away from me.

It will be too authoritative and promote dictatorship. HTF can a wall change a country and politics?

It's racist. Why, because the people who are constantly sneaking into our country have different color skin, and it it were white people, we would be okay with invaders?

It won't stop drugs. Most of the heroin coming into the US is from Mexico.

They will dig tunnels. They dig tunnels now! Do you know how many months it takes to dig tunnels?

The FACT that you are making the idiotic and erroneous claim that you have debunked the facts disproving your claims adds to that body of evidence that you don't understand how the nutty wall idea is going to destroy YOUR Liberty.

How the heck does protecting our borders so we can have liberty from 3 Rd world shit holes like Mexico, destroy our libertys?

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Let's see if we can put this in language that even you can understand.

With the wall will come the enforcement. There will be things both seen and UNSEEN. For example, the Constitution Free Zone will be vigorously enforced. There go your constitutional Liberties within 100 miles of the border. And there will be more.

If you would go off the attack, STFU and quit posting every five minutes, I would explain it to you.