Why Libertarianism Is So Dangerous...

[dblack]

IMO those who believe taxes are theft have a duty to bring the offender - the thief - to justice. Each one of you who so believes needs to stop paying taxes. I suggest they singularly or in mass go to a big box store and put that $2,000 big screen on a cart, give the cashier the exact amount of money at which the TV was advertised and leave.

Doing so would make them a real member of the Tea Party, and then do as one of the first Libertarians - Henry David Thoreau - suggests in On the Duty of Civil Disobedience, go to jail on principle.


Postscript: Actually Libertarians have another choice. Leave the United States which you seem so displeased with and go to a nation wherein you can live free and unencumbered. I'm sure there is a nation where no taxes are stolen from the population, there is no gun control, public schools or other trappings of American Society.


Somalia comes to mind.

Using that logic, anybody being robbed at gunpoint has a duty to refuse the thief and be killed instead.

Your call. But I see little point in responding to any criticism of libertarianism that includes a reference to Somalia. It's about as meaningful as screeds against Obama claiming he is a socialist.

 

[Spoonman]

Link to follow:

PREAMBLE

As Libertarians, we seek a world of liberty; a world in which all individuals are sovereign over their own lives and no one is forced to sacrifice his or her values for the benefit of others.

We believe that respect for individual rights is the essential precondition for a free and prosperous world, that force and fraud must be banished from human relationships, and that only through freedom can peace and prosperity be realized.

How does one ban "forece and fraud ... from human relationships"?

Consequently, we defend each person's right to engage in any activity that is peaceful and honest, and welcome the diversity that freedom brings. The world we seek to build is one where individuals are free to follow their own dreams in their own ways, without interference from government or any authoritarian power.

In the following pages we have set forth our basic principles and enumerated various policy stands derived from those principles.

These specific policies are not our goal, however. Our goal is nothing more nor less than a world set free in our lifetime, and it is to this end that we take these stands.

IMO the Libertarian Platform is little different than that of Utopian Socialists in terms of practicality; Human Nature cannot be changed by platitudes.

Platform | Libertarian Party

said as he screams to remove individuals constitutional rights and ban guns. damn you are a master at slinging the bullshit

And you are dumb as a box of rocks.

oh great comeback. yea, that will get you that A on your paper

 

[Kevin_Kennedy]

IMO those who believe taxes are theft have a duty to bring the offender - the thief - to justice. Each one of you who so believes needs to stop paying taxes. I suggest they singularly or in mass go to a big box store and put that $2,000 big screen on a cart, give the cashier the exact amount of money at which the TV was advertised and leave.

Doing so would make them a real member of the Tea Party, and then do as one of the first Libertarians - Henry David Thoreau - suggests in On the Duty of Civil Disobedience, go to jail on principle.


Postscript: Actually Libertarians have another choice. Leave the United States which you seem so displeased with and go to a nation wherein you can live free and unencumbered. I'm sure there is a nation where no taxes are stolen from the population, there is no gun control, public schools or other trappings of American Society.


Somalia comes to mind.

Using that logic, anybody being robbed at gunpoint has a duty to refuse the thief and be killed instead.

Your call. But I see little point in responding to any criticism of libertarianism that includes a reference to Somalia. It's about as meaningful as screeds against Obama claiming he is a socialist.

I'm in general agreement regarding your policy on Somalia, and have mostly adopted it myself I think. However, I thought the rest of the post required some kind of response.

 

[Contumacious]

I don't think it is. Taxation may share some qualities with theft, but when contained to it's legitimate purpose - to fund government - it's hard to see it in the same category is arbitrary stealing. When it steps outside that purpose, and becomes a general tool to bully and manipulate society, it's worse than theft.

Well, that will work if and when we are governed by Angels.

It will work to the extent we maintain constitutionally limited government. That's what protects us from the fact that our leaders aren't angels.

Nope.

Presently 50-55% of the population belong to the parasitic faction. They vote early and often.

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[TakeAStepBack]

IMO those who believe taxes are theft have a duty to bring the offender - the thief - to justice. Each one of you who so believes needs to stop paying taxes. I suggest they singularly or in mass go to a big box store and put that $2,000 big screen on a cart, give the cashier the exact amount of money at which the TV was advertised and leave.

Doing so would make them a real member of the Tea Party, and then do as one of the first Libertarians - Henry David Thoreau - suggests in On the Duty of Civil Disobedience, go to jail on principle.


Postscript: Actually Libertarians have another choice. Leave the United States which you seem so displeased with and go to a nation wherein you can live free and unencumbered. I'm sure there is a nation where no taxes are stolen from the population, there is no gun control, public schools or other trappings of American Society.


Somalia comes to mind.

I knew the "if you dont like it, leave" argument would show up. And what better a poster than this one to bring it forth!

 

[JakeStarkey]

You wannabee libertarians (not the KevinKennedy and the other real libertarians) are getting your asses handed to you here.

 

[TakeAStepBack]

Uh huh.

 

[RKMBrown]

Erand7899 argues that "What we do need is a party where conservative and libertarian principles are merged to form a winning combination that can satisfy both", not understanding conservatism does believe in government of, by, and for the people, and that taxation is a legitimate function of a conservative government of We the People.

Conservatism believes in limited government, and believes in reasonable taxation to support necessary government functions. Conservatism also believes that government should always be exercised by the lowest level of government consistant with efficiency and effectiveness.

I pay taxes to the county and state to provide police and fire protection, public schools, and local infrastructure. I do not need, and I do not desire any of these services from the federal government, and do not wish to pay federal taxes to support federal takeover of local and state functions.

I pay federal taxes to support the federal government in the scope set down by the United States Constitution. I do not need, and I do not desire the federal government to extend itself into any functions not specified as its responsibility by that Constitution.

 

[RKMBrown]

Once again, libertarians, you have not yet come up with a consistent philosophy other than you hate taxes and at least one of you harbors less honorable motives than that.

WHAT YOU FAIL TO UNDERSTAND, AND PROBABLY NEVER WILL, IS THAT THIS IS A FREE COUNTRY AND THAT US FREE FOLK ARE NOT BEHOLDING TO YOUR DEMANDS FOR JUSTIFICATION FOR OUR CHOICES AND BELIEFS.

You sit on your pillar of power and demand free thinkers to defend their livelihood, their thoughts, their right to raise a family as they see fit?

Anger will not help you, and neither will deliberate misunderstanding.

If you want voters to elect your candidates, you better come up with something worthy. huh?

Something worthy????????????

The right to one's means for livelihood, the right to keep one's own thoughts, and the right to raise a family as one sees fit are not "WORTHY?"

WOW just WOW

 

[JakeStarkey]

WHAT YOU FAIL TO UNDERSTAND, AND PROBABLY NEVER WILL, IS THAT THIS IS A FREE COUNTRY AND THAT US FREE FOLK ARE NOT BEHOLDING TO YOUR DEMANDS FOR JUSTIFICATION FOR OUR CHOICES AND BELIEFS.

You sit on your pillar of power and demand free thinkers to defend their livelihood, their thoughts, their right to raise a family as they see fit?

Anger will not help you, and neither will deliberate misunderstanding.

If you want voters to elect your candidates, you better come up with something worthy. huh?

Something worthy????????????

The right to one's means for livelihood, the right to keep one's own thoughts, and the right to raise a family as one sees fit are not "WORTHY?"

WOW just WOW

That's different how than the two main parties: that's your contenders, bub, not me.

 

[RKMBrown]

Anger will not help you, and neither will deliberate misunderstanding.

If you want voters to elect your candidates, you better come up with something worthy. huh?

Something worthy????????????

The right to one's means for livelihood, the right to keep one's own thoughts, and the right to raise a family as one sees fit are not "WORTHY?"

WOW just WOW

That's different how than the two main parties: that's your contenders, bub, not me.

The two main parties are focused on "saving" us from having our own livelihood, see H1b visas, see support for income taxation which is taking a portion of our livelihood, see support for offshoring, see support for illegal immigration, see support for...

The two main parties are also focused on stealing our thoughts via the so called Patriot Act which allows the government to read our email, our private messages, even scan our bodies at will. No warrant required.

The two main parties are further focused on telling us what religions are allowed and what a-religious morals we have to adhere to in our schools, in our public places, on the internet, and even in our private abodes. Really? The federal government being used to pick and choose which religions are to be funded and which are not to be funded and which are to be sued and which are to be forced into some ungodly government defined set of morals?

 

[bripat9643]

And if we leave it to the Rule of Men we all will get screwed far worse.

That's precisely what you endorse. What else can you mean when you insist that a political philosophy must be "popular?"

As in popular government, as earlier defined as constitutional republican democracy.

You always lose if you have to face the entire statement, bootlicker.

Oh puhleeze. We weren't discussing the process. You were talking about the result.

You put the "wee" in weasel.

 

[bripat9643]

Once again, libertarians, you have not yet come up with a consistent philosophy other than you hate taxes and at least one of you harbors less honorable motives than that.

By "consistent" you mean "popular." When are you going to give up flogging this reducto absurdum?

 

[bripat9643]

Once again, libertarians, you have not yet come up with a consistent philosophy other than you hate taxes and at least one of you harbors less honorable motives than that.

WHAT YOU FAIL TO UNDERSTAND, AND PROBABLY NEVER WILL, IS THAT THIS IS A FREE COUNTRY AND THAT US FREE FOLK ARE NOT BEHOLDING TO YOUR DEMANDS FOR JUSTIFICATION FOR OUR CHOICES AND BELIEFS.

You sit on your pillar of power and demand free thinkers to defend their livelihood, their thoughts, their right to raise a family as they see fit?

Anger will not help you, and neither will deliberate misunderstanding.

If you want voters to elect your candidates, you better come up with something worthy. huh?

You mean come up with something popular? At least you're not trying to call it something "consistent" any longer. In 1932 persecuting Jews was very popular. Is that the kind of thing you're talking about?

 

[TakeAStepBack]

You must spread reputation around before giving it to bripat9643 again.

 

[JakeStarkey]

WHAT YOU FAIL TO UNDERSTAND, AND PROBABLY NEVER WILL, IS THAT THIS IS A FREE COUNTRY AND THAT US FREE FOLK ARE NOT BEHOLDING TO YOUR DEMANDS FOR JUSTIFICATION FOR OUR CHOICES AND BELIEFS.

You sit on your pillar of power and demand free thinkers to defend their livelihood, their thoughts, their right to raise a family as they see fit?

Anger will not help you, and neither will deliberate misunderstanding.

If you want voters to elect your candidates, you better come up with something worthy. huh?

You mean come up with something popular? At least you're not trying to call it something "consistent" any longer. In 1932 persecuting Jews was very popular. Is that the kind of thing you're talking about?

Misapplication of definition and false derivative analogy does not help you at all, bripat.

Consistency and worthiness will lead you to the popular vote. Since you have failed repeatedly, then, yes, you are not ready for democracy, and I guarantee you democratic and republican America wants nothing to do with your silliness.

 

[bripat9643]

Anger will not help you, and neither will deliberate misunderstanding.

If you want voters to elect your candidates, you better come up with something worthy. huh?

You mean come up with something popular? At least you're not trying to call it something "consistent" any longer. In 1932 persecuting Jews was very popular. Is that the kind of thing you're talking about?

Misapplication of definition and false derivative analogy does not help you at all, bripat.

Consistency and worthiness will lead you to the popular vote. Since you have failed repeatedly, then, yes, you are not ready for democracy, and I guarantee you democratic and republican America wants nothing to do with your silliness.

I haven't "defined" anything, Fakey. I simply note that you have used "popular" and "consistent" as synonyms. If you have a problem with that practice, then stop doing it. In 1932, persecuting Jews and re-arming Germany led to the popular vote. I take it you approve.

 

[paulitician]

This video really makes you think. Even if you don't subscribe to Libertarian beliefs, it still makes you think. It's definitely worth taking the time to watch the entire video.

 

[paulitician]

It's all just an illusion of Freedom & Liberty at this point. And that's all the gang will ever allow.

 

[Skull Pilot]

If libertarianism is dangerous then count me in

Those who dream by night in the dusty recesses of their minds wake in the day to find that all was vanity; but the dreamers of the day are dangerous men, for they may act their dream with open eyes, and make it possible.

T. E. Lawrence
(Lawrence of Arabia)