Why only a "progressive" income tax?

[Skull Pilot]

and 8.4% is currently lower than the lowest 10% bracket

And 8.4% wouldn't be revenue neutral. The top quintile pays 84% of income taxes. And pay at a rate of 21% on average.

How then does cutting their rate to roughly 1/3 or its current rate result in a revenue neutral position?

Explain the math to us. Using the *actual* tax distribution. Not the imaginary one you made up.

I didn't make up anything idiot I used the total income and the total tax collected under the current system to arrive at the rate on all income that would yield the same revenue as the current system did

it's not that complicated

for the year used in the graphic the total income was 13.7 Trillion the tax collected was 1.26 trillion or about 9% of all income

so for that year a flat tax of 9% would have resulted in the government collecting the exact same revenue as it did under the current system

IOW revenue neutral

With massive tax increases on people with children also.

SO what?

Why should a person with no kids and the exact same income as a person with kids pay more in taxes?

Well, I've been on the wrong end of that all my adult life so I have every personal reason imaginable to agree but I would say that as an argument for it, to some extent at least,

a household of, say, five, with one income coming in, with 4 legal dependents, could logically classify as one income divided by 5.
50,000 a year for 5 people translates to 10,000 each, which puts each in the lowest bracket.

No people who earn no income pay no income tax

Dependents earn no income only the parents do therefore only the parents pay any child who work part time while in school will pay the same flat income tax his parents pay

 

[Skull Pilot]

Let me ask. What's so bad about the current system ?

If you haven't figured that out yet then I can't help you

That's a non answer .

I'm being serious . What's wrong with the system now .? Cause everyone loves to float alternate versions that are quickly exposed as inadequate .

For one it's unfair to tax some dollars at a higher rate than others
The tax code is millions of words long and even the legislators in DC can't understand it
It's rife with loopholes and special treatment
It's been used a tool for social engineering by the idiots in DC shall I go on?

And the flat tax isn't inadequate it's the very definition of fair and it would require very little to enforce it we could get rid of that American Gestapo, the IRS, and realize billions more in savings every year

 

[Timmy]

Let me ask. What's so bad about the current system ?

If you haven't figured that out yet then I can't help you

That's a non answer .

I'm being serious . What's wrong with the system now .? Cause everyone loves to float alternate versions that are quickly exposed as inadequate .

For one it's unfair to tax some dollars at a higher rate than others
The tax code is millions of words long and even the legislators in DC can't understand it
It's rife with loopholes and special treatment
It's been used a tool for social engineering by the idiots in DC shall I go on?

And the flat tax isn't inadequate it's the very definition of fair and it would require very little to enforce it we could get rid of that American Gestapo, the IRS, and realize billions more in savings every year

Thanks for the answer. I don't disagree on the code .

Back to fairness . You make an assumption that we all get the same out of our tax dollars.

I contend that people wh more wealth , also benefit more from gov and should pay a higher rate .

 

[Skylar]

Let me ask. What's so bad about the current system ?

If you haven't figured that out yet then I can't help you

That's a non answer .

I'm being serious . What's wrong with the system now .? Cause everyone loves to float alternate versions that are quickly exposed as inadequate .

For one it's unfair to tax some dollars at a higher rate than others

Except that it isn't. As its a tax system based on one's ability to pay. Which is quite fair. That's why virtually every nation on earth uses progressive taxation.

It works. And its fair.

 

[NYcarbineer]

And 8.4% wouldn't be revenue neutral. The top quintile pays 84% of income taxes. And pay at a rate of 21% on average.

How then does cutting their rate to roughly 1/3 or its current rate result in a revenue neutral position?

Explain the math to us. Using the *actual* tax distribution. Not the imaginary one you made up.

I didn't make up anything idiot I used the total income and the total tax collected under the current system to arrive at the rate on all income that would yield the same revenue as the current system did

it's not that complicated

for the year used in the graphic the total income was 13.7 Trillion the tax collected was 1.26 trillion or about 9% of all income

so for that year a flat tax of 9% would have resulted in the government collecting the exact same revenue as it did under the current system

IOW revenue neutral

With massive tax increases on people with children also.

SO what?

Why should a person with no kids and the exact same income as a person with kids pay more in taxes?

Well, I've been on the wrong end of that all my adult life so I have every personal reason imaginable to agree but I would say that as an argument for it, to some extent at least,

a household of, say, five, with one income coming in, with 4 legal dependents, could logically classify as one income divided by 5.
50,000 a year for 5 people translates to 10,000 each, which puts each in the lowest bracket.

No people who earn no income pay no income tax

Dependents earn no income only the parents do therefore only the parents pay any child who work part time while in school will pay the same flat income tax his parents pay

So once again you admit your plan is a tax increase for many.

 

[Skull Pilot]

Let me ask. What's so bad about the current system ?

If you haven't figured that out yet then I can't help you

That's a non answer .

I'm being serious . What's wrong with the system now .? Cause everyone loves to float alternate versions that are quickly exposed as inadequate .

For one it's unfair to tax some dollars at a higher rate than others
The tax code is millions of words long and even the legislators in DC can't understand it
It's rife with loopholes and special treatment
It's been used a tool for social engineering by the idiots in DC shall I go on?

And the flat tax isn't inadequate it's the very definition of fair and it would require very little to enforce it we could get rid of that American Gestapo, the IRS, and realize billions more in savings every year

Thanks for the answer. I don't disagree on the code .

Back to fairness . You make an assumption that we all get the same out of our tax dollars.

I contend that people wh more wealth , also benefit more from gov and should pay a higher rate .

how to people with more money benefit more from government when they use less government services than people with less money?

And with a flat tax they would pay more if they make 10 times more than someone they pay ten times more why on earth should they pay 20 times more?

 

[Skull Pilot]

I didn't make up anything idiot I used the total income and the total tax collected under the current system to arrive at the rate on all income that would yield the same revenue as the current system did

it's not that complicated

for the year used in the graphic the total income was 13.7 Trillion the tax collected was 1.26 trillion or about 9% of all income

so for that year a flat tax of 9% would have resulted in the government collecting the exact same revenue as it did under the current system

IOW revenue neutral

With massive tax increases on people with children also.

SO what?

Why should a person with no kids and the exact same income as a person with kids pay more in taxes?

Well, I've been on the wrong end of that all my adult life so I have every personal reason imaginable to agree but I would say that as an argument for it, to some extent at least,

a household of, say, five, with one income coming in, with 4 legal dependents, could logically classify as one income divided by 5.
50,000 a year for 5 people translates to 10,000 each, which puts each in the lowest bracket.

No people who earn no income pay no income tax

Dependents earn no income only the parents do therefore only the parents pay any child who work part time while in school will pay the same flat income tax his parents pay

So once again you admit your plan is a tax increase for many.

SO what?

When moving from an unfair system to a fair system those benefiting from the unfair system will have to pay their share.

 

[Skull Pilot]

Let me ask. What's so bad about the current system ?

If you haven't figured that out yet then I can't help you

That's a non answer .

I'm being serious . What's wrong with the system now .? Cause everyone loves to float alternate versions that are quickly exposed as inadequate .

For one it's unfair to tax some dollars at a higher rate than others

Except that it isn't. As its a tax system based on one's ability to pay. Which is quite fair. That's why virtually every nation on earth uses progressive taxation.

It works. And its fair.

It doesn't work and it's not fair

And anyone with an income has the ability to pay income tax just like anyone who buys a gallon of gas has the ability to pay the gas tax

 

[Skylar]

Let me ask. What's so bad about the current system ?

If you haven't figured that out yet then I can't help you

That's a non answer .

I'm being serious . What's wrong with the system now .? Cause everyone loves to float alternate versions that are quickly exposed as inadequate .

For one it's unfair to tax some dollars at a higher rate than others
The tax code is millions of words long and even the legislators in DC can't understand it
It's rife with loopholes and special treatment
It's been used a tool for social engineering by the idiots in DC shall I go on?

And the flat tax isn't inadequate it's the very definition of fair and it would require very little to enforce it we could get rid of that American Gestapo, the IRS, and realize billions more in savings every year

Thanks for the answer. I don't disagree on the code .

Back to fairness . You make an assumption that we all get the same out of our tax dollars.

I contend that people wh more wealth , also benefit more from gov and should pay a higher rate .

how to people with more money benefit more from government when they use less government services than people with less money?

Its not what government services they use. Its what they can afford to pay. As a tax system based on one's capacity to pay is explicitly reasonable, sustainable and fair.

Which is why virtually every nation on earth uses it. Including us.

 

[Contumacious]

If you haven't figured that out yet then I can't help you

That's a non answer .

I'm being serious . What's wrong with the system now .? Cause everyone loves to float alternate versions that are quickly exposed as inadequate .

For one it's unfair to tax some dollars at a higher rate than others
The tax code is millions of words long and even the legislators in DC can't understand it
It's rife with loopholes and special treatment
It's been used a tool for social engineering by the idiots in DC shall I go on?

And the flat tax isn't inadequate it's the very definition of fair and it would require very little to enforce it we could get rid of that American Gestapo, the IRS, and realize billions more in savings every year

Thanks for the answer. I don't disagree on the code .

Back to fairness . You make an assumption that we all get the same out of our tax dollars.

I contend that people wh more wealth , also benefit more from gov and should pay a higher rate .

how to people with more money benefit more from government when they use less government services than people with less money?

Its not what government services they use. Its what they can afford to pay. As a tax system based on one's capacity to pay is explicitly reasonable, sustainable and fair.

Which is why virtually every nation on earth uses it. Including us.

Socialists like yourself like to incite violence.


Someday soon taxpayers will use violence to let your ilk know that the marxist "heavy graduated "income" tax is unreasonable, unsustainable and unfair.


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[Skull Pilot]

If you haven't figured that out yet then I can't help you

That's a non answer .

I'm being serious . What's wrong with the system now .? Cause everyone loves to float alternate versions that are quickly exposed as inadequate .

For one it's unfair to tax some dollars at a higher rate than others
The tax code is millions of words long and even the legislators in DC can't understand it
It's rife with loopholes and special treatment
It's been used a tool for social engineering by the idiots in DC shall I go on?

And the flat tax isn't inadequate it's the very definition of fair and it would require very little to enforce it we could get rid of that American Gestapo, the IRS, and realize billions more in savings every year

Thanks for the answer. I don't disagree on the code .

Back to fairness . You make an assumption that we all get the same out of our tax dollars.

I contend that people wh more wealth , also benefit more from gov and should pay a higher rate .

how to people with more money benefit more from government when they use less government services than people with less money?

Its not what government services they use. Its what they can afford to pay. As a tax system based on one's capacity to pay is explicitly reasonable, sustainable and fair.

Which is why virtually every nation on earth uses it. Including us.

Except no other tax is based on ability to pay
if they were then every tax schedule on everything would have multiple brackets

And the just because everyone is doing it reason isn't a reason at all

 

[Skylar]

That's a non answer .

I'm being serious . What's wrong with the system now .? Cause everyone loves to float alternate versions that are quickly exposed as inadequate .

For one it's unfair to tax some dollars at a higher rate than others
The tax code is millions of words long and even the legislators in DC can't understand it
It's rife with loopholes and special treatment
It's been used a tool for social engineering by the idiots in DC shall I go on?

And the flat tax isn't inadequate it's the very definition of fair and it would require very little to enforce it we could get rid of that American Gestapo, the IRS, and realize billions more in savings every year

Thanks for the answer. I don't disagree on the code .

Back to fairness . You make an assumption that we all get the same out of our tax dollars.

I contend that people wh more wealth , also benefit more from gov and should pay a higher rate .

how to people with more money benefit more from government when they use less government services than people with less money?

Its not what government services they use. Its what they can afford to pay. As a tax system based on one's capacity to pay is explicitly reasonable, sustainable and fair.

Which is why virtually every nation on earth uses it. Including us.

Except no other tax is based on ability to pay

Irrelevant. As no other tax needs to. Income taxes work, are fair, reasonable, and sustainable. Which is why we use them and why we make them progressive.

if they were then every tax schedule on everything would have multiple brackets

And the just because everyone is doing it reason isn't a reason at all

We're part of 'everyone'. We and everyone use them because they work. If you want fish, fish where the fish are.

And if its the capacity to pay taxes, go where there's far more money.

 

[Skull Pilot]

For one it's unfair to tax some dollars at a higher rate than others
The tax code is millions of words long and even the legislators in DC can't understand it
It's rife with loopholes and special treatment
It's been used a tool for social engineering by the idiots in DC shall I go on?

And the flat tax isn't inadequate it's the very definition of fair and it would require very little to enforce it we could get rid of that American Gestapo, the IRS, and realize billions more in savings every year

Thanks for the answer. I don't disagree on the code .

Back to fairness . You make an assumption that we all get the same out of our tax dollars.

I contend that people wh more wealth , also benefit more from gov and should pay a higher rate .

how to people with more money benefit more from government when they use less government services than people with less money?

Its not what government services they use. Its what they can afford to pay. As a tax system based on one's capacity to pay is explicitly reasonable, sustainable and fair.

Which is why virtually every nation on earth uses it. Including us.

Except no other tax is based on ability to pay

Irrelevant. As no other tax needs to. Income taxes work, are fair, reasonable, and sustainable. Which is why we use them and why we make them progressive.

if they were then every tax schedule on everything would have multiple brackets

And the just because everyone is doing it reason isn't a reason at all

We're part of 'everyone'. We and everyone use them because they work. If you want fish, fish where the fish are.

And if its the capacity to pay taxes, go where there's far more money.

Anyone with an income has the ability to pay income tax just as anyone who buys a gallon of gas has the ability to pay the gas tax

 

[Skylar]

Thanks for the answer. I don't disagree on the code .

Back to fairness . You make an assumption that we all get the same out of our tax dollars.

I contend that people wh more wealth , also benefit more from gov and should pay a higher rate .

how to people with more money benefit more from government when they use less government services than people with less money?

Its not what government services they use. Its what they can afford to pay. As a tax system based on one's capacity to pay is explicitly reasonable, sustainable and fair.

Which is why virtually every nation on earth uses it. Including us.

Except no other tax is based on ability to pay

Irrelevant. As no other tax needs to. Income taxes work, are fair, reasonable, and sustainable. Which is why we use them and why we make them progressive.

if they were then every tax schedule on everything would have multiple brackets

And the just because everyone is doing it reason isn't a reason at all

We're part of 'everyone'. We and everyone use them because they work. If you want fish, fish where the fish are.

And if its the capacity to pay taxes, go where there's far more money.

Anyone with an income has the ability to pay income tax just as anyone who buys a gallon of gas has the ability to pay the gas tax

But not nearly as much as someone with an unusually large income. The more you make, the more you can pay.

Again, if you want fish, go where the fish are. And the top quintile, especially the top 1% is where there's plenty of capacity to pay. The bottom quintile, not so much.

 

[NYcarbineer]

Thanks for the answer. I don't disagree on the code .

Back to fairness . You make an assumption that we all get the same out of our tax dollars.

I contend that people wh more wealth , also benefit more from gov and should pay a higher rate .

how to people with more money benefit more from government when they use less government services than people with less money?

Its not what government services they use. Its what they can afford to pay. As a tax system based on one's capacity to pay is explicitly reasonable, sustainable and fair.

Which is why virtually every nation on earth uses it. Including us.

Except no other tax is based on ability to pay

Irrelevant. As no other tax needs to. Income taxes work, are fair, reasonable, and sustainable. Which is why we use them and why we make them progressive.

if they were then every tax schedule on everything would have multiple brackets

And the just because everyone is doing it reason isn't a reason at all

We're part of 'everyone'. We and everyone use them because they work. If you want fish, fish where the fish are.

And if its the capacity to pay taxes, go where there's far more money.

Anyone with an income has the ability to pay income tax just as anyone who buys a gallon of gas has the ability to pay the gas tax

Are America's rich suffering?

 

[NYcarbineer]

That's a non answer .

I'm being serious . What's wrong with the system now .? Cause everyone loves to float alternate versions that are quickly exposed as inadequate .

For one it's unfair to tax some dollars at a higher rate than others
The tax code is millions of words long and even the legislators in DC can't understand it
It's rife with loopholes and special treatment
It's been used a tool for social engineering by the idiots in DC shall I go on?

And the flat tax isn't inadequate it's the very definition of fair and it would require very little to enforce it we could get rid of that American Gestapo, the IRS, and realize billions more in savings every year

Thanks for the answer. I don't disagree on the code .

Back to fairness . You make an assumption that we all get the same out of our tax dollars.

I contend that people wh more wealth , also benefit more from gov and should pay a higher rate .

how to people with more money benefit more from government when they use less government services than people with less money?

Its not what government services they use. Its what they can afford to pay. As a tax system based on one's capacity to pay is explicitly reasonable, sustainable and fair.

Which is why virtually every nation on earth uses it. Including us.

Except no other tax is based on ability to pay
if they were then every tax schedule on everything would have multiple brackets

And the just because everyone is doing it reason isn't a reason at all

Then why shouldn't everyone pay the same for public school?

 

[Skull Pilot]

how to people with more money benefit more from government when they use less government services than people with less money?

Its not what government services they use. Its what they can afford to pay. As a tax system based on one's capacity to pay is explicitly reasonable, sustainable and fair.

Which is why virtually every nation on earth uses it. Including us.

Except no other tax is based on ability to pay

Irrelevant. As no other tax needs to. Income taxes work, are fair, reasonable, and sustainable. Which is why we use them and why we make them progressive.

if they were then every tax schedule on everything would have multiple brackets

And the just because everyone is doing it reason isn't a reason at all

We're part of 'everyone'. We and everyone use them because they work. If you want fish, fish where the fish are.

And if its the capacity to pay taxes, go where there's far more money.

Anyone with an income has the ability to pay income tax just as anyone who buys a gallon of gas has the ability to pay the gas tax

But not nearly as much as someone with an unusually large income. The more you make, the more you can pay.

Again, if you want fish, go where the fish are. And the top quintile, especially the top 1% is where there's plenty of capacity to pay. The bottom quintile, not so much.

With a flat tax the more you make the more you pay

 

[Skull Pilot]

For one it's unfair to tax some dollars at a higher rate than others
The tax code is millions of words long and even the legislators in DC can't understand it
It's rife with loopholes and special treatment
It's been used a tool for social engineering by the idiots in DC shall I go on?

And the flat tax isn't inadequate it's the very definition of fair and it would require very little to enforce it we could get rid of that American Gestapo, the IRS, and realize billions more in savings every year

Thanks for the answer. I don't disagree on the code .

Back to fairness . You make an assumption that we all get the same out of our tax dollars.

I contend that people wh more wealth , also benefit more from gov and should pay a higher rate .

how to people with more money benefit more from government when they use less government services than people with less money?

Its not what government services they use. Its what they can afford to pay. As a tax system based on one's capacity to pay is explicitly reasonable, sustainable and fair.

Which is why virtually every nation on earth uses it. Including us.

Except no other tax is based on ability to pay
if they were then every tax schedule on everything would have multiple brackets

And the just because everyone is doing it reason isn't a reason at all

Then why shouldn't everyone pay the same for public school?

That's a state not a federal issue and has nothing to do with the income tax

 

[Skull Pilot]

how to people with more money benefit more from government when they use less government services than people with less money?

Its not what government services they use. Its what they can afford to pay. As a tax system based on one's capacity to pay is explicitly reasonable, sustainable and fair.

Which is why virtually every nation on earth uses it. Including us.

Except no other tax is based on ability to pay

Irrelevant. As no other tax needs to. Income taxes work, are fair, reasonable, and sustainable. Which is why we use them and why we make them progressive.

if they were then every tax schedule on everything would have multiple brackets

And the just because everyone is doing it reason isn't a reason at all

We're part of 'everyone'. We and everyone use them because they work. If you want fish, fish where the fish are.

And if its the capacity to pay taxes, go where there's far more money.

Anyone with an income has the ability to pay income tax just as anyone who buys a gallon of gas has the ability to pay the gas tax

Are America's rich suffering?

Irrelevant

 

[Contumacious]

That's a non answer .

I'm being serious . What's wrong with the system now .? Cause everyone loves to float alternate versions that are quickly exposed as inadequate .

For one it's unfair to tax some dollars at a higher rate than others
The tax code is millions of words long and even the legislators in DC can't understand it
It's rife with loopholes and special treatment
It's been used a tool for social engineering by the idiots in DC shall I go on?

And the flat tax isn't inadequate it's the very definition of fair and it would require very little to enforce it we could get rid of that American Gestapo, the IRS, and realize billions more in savings every year

Thanks for the answer. I don't disagree on the code .

Back to fairness . You make an assumption that we all get the same out of our tax dollars.

I contend that people wh more wealth , also benefit more from gov and should pay a higher rate .

how to people with more money benefit more from government when they use less government services than people with less money?

Its not what government services they use. Its what they can afford to pay. As a tax system based on one's capacity to pay is explicitly reasonable, sustainable and fair.

Which is why virtually every nation on earth uses it. Including us.

Except no other tax is based on ability to pay
if they were then every tax schedule on everything would have multiple brackets

And the just because everyone is doing it reason isn't a reason at all

It is fucking unbelievable that parasitic welfare recipients get to describe that marxist income tax as "reasonable, sustainable and fair".



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