Yes, Bernie wants "free shit". Let's add it to the list of other "free shit"

[Slade3200]

Gov

The fact there are certain things the government is responsible for and need tax dollars to pay for is not and never has been in doubt. The problem with Sanders and others like him is they think everything a person wants but can't provide for themselves the government is supposed to do it for them.

It all exists on a continuum. The big mistake the current Right has made is in its absolutism - inferring, even saying, that all government is bad.

That has very helpfully allowed the Left to point at government services that most people want and say, "see, they're wrong."

The current Right is as responsible for any move to the Left as anyone else.
.

They say more government is bad or large bloated government is bad, not all..

But all the government programs show that government is it's own worst enemy!

Government programs leave much to be desired, but they service a need and an objective to serve and benefit the welfare of the people. In my opinion, they should be stimulated by government spending and transitioned over by the private sector in areas where the business model makes sense.

 

[Slade3200]

Perhaps you could be a little more specific.
.

For example, Obama can not boast of Guantanamo is still running.
What about health care? The basic idea was to make it affordable for the low earner. Is it now affordable?
Of course, Obama made a whole bunch of promises.
The Obameter: Tracking Obama's Campaign Promises | PolitiFact

I believe the goal was to get everybody insured, institute regulations for fair coverage, and to make it more affordable. They got two and now need some serious work to get the third done. Perhaps if all the wingnuts would stop bitching and obstructing, put their heads together and do their jobs then we can make some progress on that front. Saying they want to rip it to shreads isn't helping things and is a stupid suggestion. How about they propose ways to fix the problems and make it more affordable?

The goal has a huge obstacle: Many of those who were not insured or "under-insured" simply wanted to save their money. So, when the insurance does not earn enough from the "rich", it cannot provide enough for the "poor". Obama had to make a balancing act between "insurance propaganda" and an "insurance regime".

I think there is plenty of money in insurance... We need to open the markets up so competition and drive prices down and institute more incentives to get to where we need to go. This thread isn't about Obama care so I won't get too deep, but there are solutions out there if we can stop all the petty bickering

I am confident that health is not a commodity.

Meaning what?

 

[Mac1958]

It all exists on a continuum. The big mistake the current Right has made is in its absolutism - inferring, even saying, that all government is bad.

That has very helpfully allowed the Left to point at government services that most people want and say, "see, they're wrong."

The current Right is as responsible for any move to the Left as anyone else.
.

They say more government is bad or large bloated government is bad, not all..

But all the government programs show that government is it's own worst enemy!

Politics is mostly image, and the image of conservatism right now is that it is anti-government.

That's fine, but the other side of the spectrum is making its case, too.
.

How can it be "anti" government wanting to control the border?
How can it be "anti" government wanting to rebuild the military?
How can it be "anti" government wanting to change the tax system?
How can it be "anti" government wanting to let states handle their own business?

Politics is mostly image, and the image of conservatism right now is that it is anti-government.
.

Yes you say that, but have no real basis for that stance..

So where are the quotes that make you think that?

Just my opinion.

I do read the posts on this board. I do read right wing websites. I do listen to right wing talk radio.

Perhaps you could review posts 13, 25, 27 on this very thread.

Or even YOUR OWN POSTS on this very thread, such as 2, 6, 7, 9, 17 and 21.

Whether you realize it or not, that's exactly what I'm talking about. Image.
.

 

[Slade3200]

Perhaps you could be a little more specific.
.

For example, Obama can not boast of Guantanamo is still running.
What about health care? The basic idea was to make it affordable for the low earner. Is it now affordable?
Of course, Obama made a whole bunch of promises.
The Obameter: Tracking Obama's Campaign Promises | PolitiFact

I believe the goal was to get everybody insured, institute regulations for fair coverage, and to make it more affordable. They got two and now need some serious work to get the third done. Perhaps if all the wingnuts would stop bitching and obstructing, put their heads together and do their jobs then we can make some progress on that front. Saying they want to rip it to shreads isn't helping things and is a stupid suggestion. How about they propose ways to fix the problems and make it more affordable?

The goal has a huge obstacle: Many of those who were not insured or "under-insured" simply wanted to save their money. So, when the insurance does not earn enough from the "rich", it cannot provide enough for the "poor". Obama had to make a balancing act between "insurance propaganda" and an "insurance regime".

I think there is plenty of money in insurance... We need to open the markets up so competition and drive prices down and institute more incentives to get to where we need to go. This thread isn't about Obama care so I won't get too deep, but there are solutions out there if we can stop all the petty bickering

Yes the only solution from the far left is "single" payer..

Why are you still talking? You forgot to say drone

 

[Kosh]

Gov

The fact there are certain things the government is responsible for and need tax dollars to pay for is not and never has been in doubt. The problem with Sanders and others like him is they think everything a person wants but can't provide for themselves the government is supposed to do it for them.

It all exists on a continuum. The big mistake the current Right has made is in its absolutism - inferring, even saying, that all government is bad.

That has very helpfully allowed the Left to point at government services that most people want and say, "see, they're wrong."

The current Right is as responsible for any move to the Left as anyone else.
.

They say more government is bad or large bloated government is bad, not all..

But all the government programs show that government is it's own worst enemy!

Government programs leave much to be desired, but they service a need and an objective to serve and benefit the welfare of the people. In my opinion, they should be stimulated by government spending and transitioned over by the private sector in areas where the business model makes sense.

Exactly you are a far left drone and Obama supporter..

The only Constitutional spending the government does is in the defense of this nation..

 

[Kosh]

For example, Obama can not boast of Guantanamo is still running.
What about health care? The basic idea was to make it affordable for the low earner. Is it now affordable?
Of course, Obama made a whole bunch of promises.
The Obameter: Tracking Obama's Campaign Promises | PolitiFact

I believe the goal was to get everybody insured, institute regulations for fair coverage, and to make it more affordable. They got two and now need some serious work to get the third done. Perhaps if all the wingnuts would stop bitching and obstructing, put their heads together and do their jobs then we can make some progress on that front. Saying they want to rip it to shreads isn't helping things and is a stupid suggestion. How about they propose ways to fix the problems and make it more affordable?

The goal has a huge obstacle: Many of those who were not insured or "under-insured" simply wanted to save their money. So, when the insurance does not earn enough from the "rich", it cannot provide enough for the "poor". Obama had to make a balancing act between "insurance propaganda" and an "insurance regime".

I think there is plenty of money in insurance... We need to open the markets up so competition and drive prices down and institute more incentives to get to where we need to go. This thread isn't about Obama care so I won't get too deep, but there are solutions out there if we can stop all the petty bickering

Yes the only solution from the far left is "single" payer..

Why are you still talking? You forgot to say drone

I said far left, but you are a far left drone!

 

[Kosh]

They say more government is bad or large bloated government is bad, not all..

But all the government programs show that government is it's own worst enemy!

Politics is mostly image, and the image of conservatism right now is that it is anti-government.

That's fine, but the other side of the spectrum is making its case, too.
.

How can it be "anti" government wanting to control the border?
How can it be "anti" government wanting to rebuild the military?
How can it be "anti" government wanting to change the tax system?
How can it be "anti" government wanting to let states handle their own business?

Politics is mostly image, and the image of conservatism right now is that it is anti-government.
.

Yes you say that, but have no real basis for that stance..

So where are the quotes that make you think that?

Just my opinion.

I do read the posts on this board. I do read right wing websites. I do listen to right wing talk radio.

Perhaps you could review posts 13, 25, 27 on this very thread.

Or even YOUR OWN POSTS on this very thread, such as 2, 6, 7, 9, 17 and 21.

Whether you realize it or not, that's exactly what I'm talking about. Image.
.

Again I do not see where it says ALL government is bad..

If you are reading things that are not there, that is on you..

I say that the far left option is very bad for everyone..

 

[Bleipriester]

For example, Obama can not boast of Guantanamo is still running.
What about health care? The basic idea was to make it affordable for the low earner. Is it now affordable?
Of course, Obama made a whole bunch of promises.
The Obameter: Tracking Obama's Campaign Promises | PolitiFact

I believe the goal was to get everybody insured, institute regulations for fair coverage, and to make it more affordable. They got two and now need some serious work to get the third done. Perhaps if all the wingnuts would stop bitching and obstructing, put their heads together and do their jobs then we can make some progress on that front. Saying they want to rip it to shreads isn't helping things and is a stupid suggestion. How about they propose ways to fix the problems and make it more affordable?

The goal has a huge obstacle: Many of those who were not insured or "under-insured" simply wanted to save their money. So, when the insurance does not earn enough from the "rich", it cannot provide enough for the "poor". Obama had to make a balancing act between "insurance propaganda" and an "insurance regime".

I think there is plenty of money in insurance... We need to open the markets up so competition and drive prices down and institute more incentives to get to where we need to go. This thread isn't about Obama care so I won't get too deep, but there are solutions out there if we can stop all the petty bickering

I am confident that health is not a commodity.

Meaning what?

The full catalog of health services must be available to everyone, regardless of if the insurance system produces a surplus or not.

 

[Slade3200]

Gov

The fact there are certain things the government is responsible for and need tax dollars to pay for is not and never has been in doubt. The problem with Sanders and others like him is they think everything a person wants but can't provide for themselves the government is supposed to do it for them.

It all exists on a continuum. The big mistake the current Right has made is in its absolutism - inferring, even saying, that all government is bad.

That has very helpfully allowed the Left to point at government services that most people want and say, "see, they're wrong."

The current Right is as responsible for any move to the Left as anyone else.
.

They say more government is bad or large bloated government is bad, not all..

But all the government programs show that government is it's own worst enemy!

Government programs leave much to be desired, but they service a need and an objective to serve and benefit the welfare of the people. In my opinion, they should be stimulated by government spending and transitioned over by the private sector in areas where the business model makes sense.

Exactly you are a far left drone and Obama supporter..

The only Constitutional spending the government does is in the defense of this nation..

Thanks for explaining that for me and defining my political views. How does one get so drunk this early?

 

[Slade3200]

I believe the goal was to get everybody insured, institute regulations for fair coverage, and to make it more affordable. They got two and now need some serious work to get the third done. Perhaps if all the wingnuts would stop bitching and obstructing, put their heads together and do their jobs then we can make some progress on that front. Saying they want to rip it to shreads isn't helping things and is a stupid suggestion. How about they propose ways to fix the problems and make it more affordable?

The goal has a huge obstacle: Many of those who were not insured or "under-insured" simply wanted to save their money. So, when the insurance does not earn enough from the "rich", it cannot provide enough for the "poor". Obama had to make a balancing act between "insurance propaganda" and an "insurance regime".

I think there is plenty of money in insurance... We need to open the markets up so competition and drive prices down and institute more incentives to get to where we need to go. This thread isn't about Obama care so I won't get too deep, but there are solutions out there if we can stop all the petty bickering

I am confident that health is not a commodity.

Meaning what?

The full catalog of health services must be available to everyone, regardless of if the insurance system produces a surplus or not.

True but there is still a real element in the healthcare and insurance world that would benefit with more competition

 

[Kosh]

Gov

The fact there are certain things the government is responsible for and need tax dollars to pay for is not and never has been in doubt. The problem with Sanders and others like him is they think everything a person wants but can't provide for themselves the government is supposed to do it for them.

It all exists on a continuum. The big mistake the current Right has made is in its absolutism - inferring, even saying, that all government is bad.

That has very helpfully allowed the Left to point at government services that most people want and say, "see, they're wrong."

The current Right is as responsible for any move to the Left as anyone else.
.

They say more government is bad or large bloated government is bad, not all..

But all the government programs show that government is it's own worst enemy!

Government programs leave much to be desired, but they service a need and an objective to serve and benefit the welfare of the people. In my opinion, they should be stimulated by government spending and transitioned over by the private sector in areas where the business model makes sense.

Exactly you are a far left drone and Obama supporter..

The only Constitutional spending the government does is in the defense of this nation..

Thanks for explaining that for me and defining my political views. How does one get so drunk this early?

Yes you want the government to pick winners and losers!

Don't like being a far left drone, then do not be one!

 

[Kosh]

The goal has a huge obstacle: Many of those who were not insured or "under-insured" simply wanted to save their money. So, when the insurance does not earn enough from the "rich", it cannot provide enough for the "poor". Obama had to make a balancing act between "insurance propaganda" and an "insurance regime".

I think there is plenty of money in insurance... We need to open the markets up so competition and drive prices down and institute more incentives to get to where we need to go. This thread isn't about Obama care so I won't get too deep, but there are solutions out there if we can stop all the petty bickering

I am confident that health is not a commodity.

Meaning what?

The full catalog of health services must be available to everyone, regardless of if the insurance system produces a surplus or not.

True but there is still a real element in the healthcare and insurance world that would benefit with more competition

That is what they claimed Obamcare would do and reduce the cost of insurance..

You know the marketplace?

Silly far left drones..

 

[LordBrownTrout]

Bernie world:

Yellow Water, Dirty Air, Power Outages: Venezuela Hits a New Low

 

[LordBrownTrout]

Police, fire, public schools, military protection, highways etc.

Face it: America has always already embraced socialism. No nation on earth can function without socialism. Without it, you have places like Somalia. I don't understand why RWs struggle with this so much. Socialism in an economic system does not necessarily mean the absence of a private market. The US is a mixed economy. Anything funded by tax payers is socialism. Period.

No, we haven't always embraced socialism. Unfortunately, the millenials want the govt to wipe their ass but our govt is broke because they kept promising free shit and couldn't deliver.

 

[Slade3200]

Police, fire, public schools, military protection, highways etc.

Face it: America has always already embraced socialism. No nation on earth can function without socialism. Without it, you have places like Somalia. I don't understand why RWs struggle with this so much. Socialism in an economic system does not necessarily mean the absence of a private market. The US is a mixed economy. Anything funded by tax payers is socialism. Period.

No, we haven't always embraced socialism. Unfortunately, the millenials want the govt to wipe their ass but our govt is broke because they kept promising free shit and couldn't deliver.

GDP last year was what? 19T? How are we broke?

 

[The Rabbi]

Police, fire, public schools, military protection, highways etc.

Face it: America has always already embraced socialism. No nation on earth bedsides can function without socialism. Without it, you have places like Somalia. I don't understand why RWs struggle with this so much. Anything funded by tax payers is socialism. Period.

Another far left drone failed thread!

See even the far left does not understand what the definition of socialism is, much less the definition of the word "is"..

So far left drone when are you going to give all your money to the government so they can tell you what you are worth?

He's a failure BECAUSE he is Billy Triple Fail, worst poster on USMB.
Hey, Billy. Fire, public schools, hgihways etc arent free. That's why we pay taxes. But they are "public goods" where everyone benefits, unlike free healthcare or free college.

 

[Bleipriester]

The goal has a huge obstacle: Many of those who were not insured or "under-insured" simply wanted to save their money. So, when the insurance does not earn enough from the "rich", it cannot provide enough for the "poor". Obama had to make a balancing act between "insurance propaganda" and an "insurance regime".

I think there is plenty of money in insurance... We need to open the markets up so competition and drive prices down and institute more incentives to get to where we need to go. This thread isn't about Obama care so I won't get too deep, but there are solutions out there if we can stop all the petty bickering

I am confident that health is not a commodity.

Meaning what?

The full catalog of health services must be available to everyone, regardless of if the insurance system produces a surplus or not.

True but there is still a real element in the healthcare and insurance world that would benefit with more competition

The characteristics of the market economy do more harm to the insurance system than they can benefit it. Prices can go down and services can go up due to competition, of course, no doubt. But there will be collusion! And what health care insurance can a 72 year old geezer with plenty of bodily defects but low income expect? I think it is the ultimate solution that health is simply free and covered by tax money.

Corruption is common and deeply entrenched in the health care system. The doctor diagnoses a disease and types the result into his program. Depending on which pharmaceutical company provides this tool, different meds will be recommended. The doctors likes the tools best that are shipped with the highest awards, of course. Just an example.

 

[The Rabbi]

I think there is plenty of money in insurance... We need to open the markets up so competition and drive prices down and institute more incentives to get to where we need to go. This thread isn't about Obama care so I won't get too deep, but there are solutions out there if we can stop all the petty bickering

I am confident that health is not a commodity.

Meaning what?

The full catalog of health services must be available to everyone, regardless of if the insurance system produces a surplus or not.

True but there is still a real element in the healthcare and insurance world that would benefit with more competition

The characteristics of the market economy do more harm to the insurance system than they can benefit it. Prices can go down and services can go up due to competition, of course, no doubt. But there will be collusion! And what health care insurance can a 72 year old geezer with plenty of bodily defects but low income expect? I think it is the ultimate solution that health is simply free and covered by tax money.

Corruption is common and deeply entrenched in the health care system. The doctor diagnoses a disease and types the result into his program. Depending on which pharmaceutical company provides this tool, different meds will be recommended. The doctors likes the tools best that are shipped with the highest awards, of course. Just an example.

Congrats for the stupidest most ignorant post I've seen today.
Given that insurance companies are losing their asses on the healthcare exchanges that would seem to refute everything you've written.

 

[jon_berzerk]

Police, fire, public schools, military protection, highways etc.


you think thats all free shit

what a dope

 

[Bleipriester]

I am confident that health is not a commodity.

Meaning what?

The full catalog of health services must be available to everyone, regardless of if the insurance system produces a surplus or not.

True but there is still a real element in the healthcare and insurance world that would benefit with more competition

The characteristics of the market economy do more harm to the insurance system than they can benefit it. Prices can go down and services can go up due to competition, of course, no doubt. But there will be collusion! And what health care insurance can a 72 year old geezer with plenty of bodily defects but low income expect? I think it is the ultimate solution that health is simply free and covered by tax money.

Corruption is common and deeply entrenched in the health care system. The doctor diagnoses a disease and types the result into his program. Depending on which pharmaceutical company provides this tool, different meds will be recommended. The doctors likes the tools best that are shipped with the highest awards, of course. Just an example.

Congrats for the stupidest most ignorant post I've seen today.
Given that insurance companies are losing their asses on the healthcare exchanges that would seem to refute everything you've written.

It is really annoying that some people do not deliver explanations that back their claims!