"You didn't get there on your own"

[P@triot]

When you have Romney ADMITTING hes set up offshore accoutns to keep money from being taxed, then he has chosen to keep his money out of the provided BY column and only in the provided FOR column...and THAT is what has people so pissed off.

You're so uninformed, it's just tragic.

First of all, the CBO already independently confirmed that the wealthy are paying WAY more than their "fair share". So your argument is 100% bullshit. False. Made up. Fantasy.

Second, liberals are the biggest offenders for hiding their money and tax evasion! Do you know how many people on Obama's own staff are guilty of tax evasion? How about John Kerry who bought a $7 million yacht and then HID it in Rhode Island to avoid paying taxes on it in Massachusetts (taxes the state DESPERATELY needed and which Kerry kept calling for people to pay more to help the state). So spare me

Third, people are FORCED to take these steps because the greedy, lazy liberal like YOU want everything they earn, until they have nothing left. And then you'll want to take their blood. We have the highest corporate tax rate in the WORLD. That is bullshit and completely unacceptable. Maybe if you Communist liberals taxed FAIR for once, people wouldn't have to hide their money in off shore accounts. They EARNED it, they should be allowed to KEEP it. That is what America was founded on....

 

[Vidi]

Spoken like a true Communist...

By the way, everything you listed has NOTHING to do with a person building a business.

"Police Protection" - that's provided to EVERYONE, so why did only Bill Gates create Microsoft and Steve Jobs create Apple?

"Military Protection" - that's provided to EVERYONE, so why did only Bill Gates create Microsoft and Steve Jobs create Apple?

"Good Schools" - that's provided to EVERYONE, so why did only Bill Gates create Microsoft and Steve Jobs create Apple?

"Reliable Power" - that's provided to EVERYONE, so why did only Bill Gates create Microsoft and Steve Jobs create Apple?

"Clean Water" - that's provided to EVERYONE, so why did only Bill Gates create Microsoft and Steve Jobs create Apple?

"Road" - that's provided to EVERYONE, so why did only Bill Gates create Microsoft and Steve Jobs create Apple?

Thank you for defeating yourselves with your own arguments. Glaring example of how fucking stupid you Communist liberals are....

Yes its provided TO everyone but its not provided BY everyone and THAT is the whole damned point.

When you have Romney ADMITTING hes set up offshore accoutns to keep money from being taxed, then he has chosen to keep his money out of the provided BY column and only in the provided FOR column...and THAT is what has people so pissed off.

You cant have it provided FOR you and expect not to pay into the system so you can provide it FOR the next guy.

Like a typical liberal asshole, you avoided the question and changed the subject. Answer the fucking question:

If EVERYONE has these items, which according to YOU - is why business owners have their business - then why doesn't EVERYONE have a business? Why isn't EVERYONE as successful as Bill Gates and Steve Jobs?

Youre missing the point completely. Its not abotu EVERYONE owning a business. Its about once you have that successful business, do you put back into the system the way other put in so you could be successful?

Conrad Hilton never paid less than 70% during his rise from small time business to international hotel mogel. He paid back into the system so the next guy had a chance at success too. And Mr Hilton wasnt a liberal. He was a Patriotic American.

Look, its not about fairness in the sense that everyone should have a business or everyone should ahve an equal amount of wealth, thats utter nonsense ( and communism ) Its about those who benefit the most from the system have the biggest duty to maintain that system, not tear it down by hiding the wealth they recieved from it so they dont have to pay back in.

 

[Bloodline]

If everybody else builds a business for you, how come none of the liberals on this site (with a very few exceptions of course) own their own business?

Come on lazy liberals - everyone else is building it for you! So lets get cracking on starting your own business!!!

No? Yeah, didn't think so....

Fucking moron's....

In the same sentence you went from BUILDING a business to OWNING a business numb nuts!

There's a difference.

Unless you have been the SOLE employee of this business you own and you did your own financing with no need for a bank (that would have simply loaned you OTHER people's money) and your business produces NO products or services that OTHER people purchased from your business then yes....

Others helped build your business!

Do you get it now???

 

[P@triot]

If everybody else builds a business for you, how come none of the liberals on this site (with a very few exceptions of course) own their own business?

Come on lazy liberals - everyone else is building it for you! So lets get cracking on starting your own business!!!

No? Yeah, didn't think so....

Fucking moron's....

How many businesses do you own?

Unless you have some under your belt to bring up, youre just waving your dick around.

I have to own a business to speak intelligently? Since you don't own a business, you must be "waving your dick around" (very classy by the way - but what else would we expect from the parasite class, right).

 

[P@triot]

If everybody else builds a business for you, how come none of the liberals on this site (with a very few exceptions of course) own their own business?

Come on lazy liberals - everyone else is building it for you! So lets get cracking on starting your own business!!!

No? Yeah, didn't think so....

Fucking moron's....

In the same sentence you went from BUILDING a business to OWNING a business numb nuts!

There's a difference.

Unless you have been the SOLE employee of this business you own and you did your own financing with no need for a bank (that would have simply loaned you OTHER people's money) and your business produces NO products or services that OTHER people purchased from your business then yes....

Others helped build your business!

Do you get it now???

If everybody else builds a business for you, how come none of the liberals on this site (with a very few exceptions of course) own their own business?

Come on lazy liberals - everyone else is building it for you! So lets get cracking on starting your own business!!!

No? Yeah, didn't think so....

Fucking moron's.... Now answer the question! Can't? Didn't think so....

 

[edthecynic]

Someone should really read you the works of Laura Ingalls Wilder, so you can get over this obsessive modern-day-only viewpoint on life.

Furthermore, expecting businesses to "thank" government for providing services that they, the businesses, are paying for is ludicrous.

Study says most corporations pay no U.S. income taxes | Reuters

The Government Accountability Office said 72 percent of all foreign corporations and about 57 percent of U.S. companies doing business in the United States paid no federal income taxes for at least one year between 1998 and 2005.

More than half of foreign companies and about 42 percent of U.S. companies paid no U.S. income taxes for two or more years in that period, the report said.

You can cite the US Tax Code for that.
One of every two small businesses will FAIL within 2 years. Most small businesses LOSE money for their first 5 years in of existence.
In each case the US Tax Code permits the owner of the business to write off losses.
As far as large companies are concerned, they LOSE money as well.
For example, if the XYZ corporation suffers a down turn in operations with the result of a NET LOSS, the XYZ Corp gets to write off the loss. The end result is they pay a zero % effective tax rate. That is the US Tax Code.
Blame nothing else.
This argument from the left about roads and other infrastructure is a lot of garbage.
Those are essential functions of government. In other words, the infrastructure would be there anyway.
Oh, say a new industrial or mixed use complex is approved. More often than not, localities enforce what are called "impact fees". These fees go to pay for expansion of utilities or road improvements. Essentially the business or developer pays for the improvements.
Or, on occasions the developer pays for all road and utility improvements.
Obama's statement reveals his Marxist/Lenonist agenda.
Obama is a central planner. He believes government is the chicken AND the egg.
Obama's ONLY use for the private sector is as a source of tax revenue.

First of all, those were boom years that the corps were paying no taxes. And any impact fees are passed on to the consumer.

 

[P@triot]

If everybody else builds a business for you, how come none of the liberals on this site (with a very few exceptions of course) own their own business?

Come on lazy liberals - everyone else is building it for you! So lets get cracking on starting your own business!!!

No? Yeah, didn't think so....

Fucking moron's....

In the same sentence you went from BUILDING a business to OWNING a business numb nuts!

There's a difference.

Unless you have been the SOLE employee of this business you own and you did your own financing with no need for a bank (that would have simply loaned you OTHER people's money) and your business produces NO products or services that OTHER people purchased from your business then yes....

Others helped build your business!

Do you get it now???

How can you "build" a business if you don't "own" it? Fucking moron....

You're so desperate to attempt to defend that which cannot be defended that you're making ZERO sense...

 

[Zxereus]

I'm sure all the BUSINESS people in the country LOVE hearing this shit from Obama

UnFrikenbelievable

please vote this Progressive idiot out

And that's why we are ecstatic when he opens his mouth and speaks the real Barack !

 

[Zxereus]

 

[Vidi]

When you have Romney ADMITTING hes set up offshore accoutns to keep money from being taxed, then he has chosen to keep his money out of the provided BY column and only in the provided FOR column...and THAT is what has people so pissed off.

You're so uninformed, it's just tragic.

First of all, the CBO already independently confirmed that the wealthy are paying WAY more than their "fair share". So your argument is 100% bullshit. False. Made up. Fantasy.

Second, liberals are the biggest offenders for hiding their money and tax evasion! Do you know how many people on Obama's own staff are guilty of tax evasion? How about John Kerry who bought a $7 million yacht and then HID it in Rhode Island to avoid paying taxes on it in Massachusetts (taxes the state DESPERATELY needed and which Kerry kept calling for people to pay more to help the state). So spare me

Third, people are FORCED to take these steps because the greedy, lazy liberal like YOU want everything they earn, until they have nothing left. And then you'll want to take their blood. We have the highest corporate tax rate in the WORLD. That is bullshit and completely unacceptable. Maybe if you Communist liberals taxed FAIR for once, people wouldn't have to hide their money in off shore accounts. They EARNED it, they should be allowed to KEEP it. That is what America was founded on....

Bullshit, bullshit and more bullshit. Im an Eisenhower Republican, which according to you makes me a socialist.

And Im going to debunk your "earned it" bullshit right here and now.

When an employer employees people, they are hriing people to do work they CANNOT do. Either because they lack the expertise or the number of hours in a day prohibit the growth of the business without an increase in production. The employee EARNS their wage, but the money brought in by that employees labor is not EARNED by the employer because the sweat of their brow did not produce the product. That was someone else. Any business owner HAS to rely on others in order to be successful. And anyone with a business knows this...at least successful ones. So in this example, they didnt do it alone.

Now look at people like the Koch Borthers. Did they EARN their money? Or did they inherit something that was built by their father? They inherited it. It wasnt THEIR sweat or THEIR great idea that built the empire, it was the work of their father and the people their father employed. So in this case, they didnt do it themselves at all.

So in each case, either through the growing of a business or the inheriting of business, it is always the efforts of a group that brings about success. There are no multinational companies that can attribute their entire success to the contributions of a single individual.

 

[P@triot]

Yes its provided TO everyone but its not provided BY everyone and THAT is the whole damned point.

When you have Romney ADMITTING hes set up offshore accoutns to keep money from being taxed, then he has chosen to keep his money out of the provided BY column and only in the provided FOR column...and THAT is what has people so pissed off.

You cant have it provided FOR you and expect not to pay into the system so you can provide it FOR the next guy.

Like a typical liberal asshole, you avoided the question and changed the subject. Answer the fucking question:

If EVERYONE has these items, which according to YOU - is why business owners have their business - then why doesn't EVERYONE have a business? Why isn't EVERYONE as successful as Bill Gates and Steve Jobs?

Youre missing the point completely. Its not abotu EVERYONE owning a business. Its about once you have that successful business, do you put back into the system the way other put in so you could be successful?

Conrad Hilton never paid less than 70% during his rise from small time business to international hotel mogel. He paid back into the system so the next guy had a chance at success too. And Mr Hilton wasnt a liberal. He was a Patriotic American.

Look, its not about fairness in the sense that everyone should have a business or everyone should ahve an equal amount of wealth, thats utter nonsense ( and communism ) Its about those who benefit the most from the system have the biggest duty to maintain that system, not tear it down by hiding the wealth they recieved from it so they dont have to pay back in.

OMG!!! Who ISN'T "paying back into the system"?!?!? Name me ONE business owner not paying taxes.

In fact, the ONLY people not "paying back into the system" is the 49% of parasites that you support!

You make no sense! 100% of successful business owners pay taxes, yet you attack them for not "paying back into the system". Meanwhile, the parasite class literally does not "pay back into the system" and you love, worship, defend, and support them.

Do you see how you don't make any sense? You're tripping over yourself now that I've pointed out the fatal flaw in the liberal attack on successful people....

 

[edthecynic]

If everybody else builds a business for you, how come none of the liberals on this site (with a very few exceptions of course) own their own business?

Come on lazy liberals - everyone else is building it for you! So lets get cracking on starting your own business!!!

No? Yeah, didn't think so....

Fucking moron's....

How many businesses do you own?

Unless you have some under your belt to bring up, youre just waving your dick around.

I have to own a business to speak intelligently? Since you don't own a business, you must be "waving your dick around" (very classy by the way - but what else would we expect from the parasite class, right).

Get a job you lazy CON$ervoFascist parasite.

On the average Libs are more financially successful than you lazy CON$ervoFascist slackers. And the laziest CON$ervoFascist parasites are the ones who claim to be successful.

 

[Bloodline]

If everybody else builds a business for you, how come none of the liberals on this site (with a very few exceptions of course) own their own business?

Come on lazy liberals - everyone else is building it for you! So lets get cracking on starting your own business!!!

No? Yeah, didn't think so....

Fucking moron's....

In the same sentence you went from BUILDING a business to OWNING a business numb nuts!

There's a difference.

Unless you have been the SOLE employee of this business you own and you did your own financing with no need for a bank (that would have simply loaned you OTHER people's money) and your business produces NO products or services that OTHER people purchased from your business then yes....

Others helped build your business!

Do you get it now???

How can you "build" a business if you don't "own" it? Fucking moron....

You're so desperate to attempt to defend that which cannot be defended that you're making ZERO sense...

You still don't get it do you?

You hire employees to do the work that builds your business for you.

 

[Murf76]

Gee you left this very important part of what Obama told the crowd in Roanoke, Va., on Friday. "The point is, is that when we succeed, we succeed because of our individual initiative, but also because we do things together."

" A text out of context, isolated form co-text, is always a pretext."
Jacob Prasch

How is that supposed to fix it? He's still presuming a public vested interest in private businesses, "we do things together".

Who's "we"???

The infrastructure is built by the businesses themselves, sometimes directly but most often through taxes they pay. People who don't pay taxes, or offset what little they do pay by taking welfare benefits didn't contribute squat.

And by the same token Businesses that don't pay taxes didn't contribute squat either.

Study says most corporations pay no U.S. income taxes | Reuters

The Government Accountability Office said 72 percent of all foreign corporations and about 57 percent of U.S. companies doing business in the United States paid no federal income taxes for at least one year between 1998 and 2005.

More than half of foreign companies and about 42 percent of U.S. companies paid no U.S. income taxes for two or more years in that period, the report said.

I'm sure, since you printed some excerpts from the article yourself, that you must realize that the headline and text don't match, right? The fact is, that we have the highest corporate tax rate in the world. It's also not surprising, given the overly complex nature of our tax law that some corporations don't pay on years when they can find a legal excuse not to. Wasn't it GE under Jeffrey Immelt who, after every sort of sweet government deal one could imagine, not to mention having a warm, fuzzy relationship with Barack Obama, who didn't pay anything recently?

 

[Vidi]

If everybody else builds a business for you, how come none of the liberals on this site (with a very few exceptions of course) own their own business?

Come on lazy liberals - everyone else is building it for you! So lets get cracking on starting your own business!!!

No? Yeah, didn't think so....

Fucking moron's....

How many businesses do you own?

Unless you have some under your belt to bring up, youre just waving your dick around.

I have to own a business to speak intelligently? Since you don't own a business, you must be "waving your dick around" (very classy by the way - but what else would we expect from the parasite class, right).

No you dont have to own a business to speak intelligently, but as you have yet to speak intelligently, Im checking to see if you have any experience with what you speak. Based on your respose the answer is obviously no.

I do own businesses. And as a business owner, I dont for a second believe that the success of my businesses can be attributed to ONLY my contributions. I have employees that work their asses off to ensure the success of the businesses and they deserve some of the credit. I found the idea, the capital and I did the groundwork to begin those businesses, but it was others who helped me streamline the processes by which I could turn a greater and greater profit.

And if you think Im classless for saying things in the way I say them tough shit. Grow a pair and quit being such a whiney little bitch.

If you cant hang with the BIG dogs, stay on the porch.

 

[P@triot]

Youre missing the point completely. Its not abotu EVERYONE owning a business. Its about once you have that successful business, do you put back into the system the way other put in so you could be successful?

Actually, you are missing the point completely. The entire thread/debate is about Obama's asinine comment that people who built their businesses "didn't build it - somebody else did". Then some idiot liberals here tried to support that by mentioning asinine things such as "clean water, police, and electricity".

I merely pointed out how asinine that is, since 100% of American's have all of those things, yet only a rare few are successful. It just proves that NOBODY else built that for them. That it was their talent and work ethic ONLY that was responsbile for their success.

Obama is a fucking idiot and embarassed himself in front of the world once again with that absolutely stupid Marxist comment.

 

[Buford]

Govt didn't build those roads and bridges. Private construction businesses contracted by govt officials built them. Obama is stupid.

 

[Zxereus]

In the same sentence you went from BUILDING a business to OWNING a business numb nuts!

There's a difference.

Unless you have been the SOLE employee of this business you own and you did your own financing with no need for a bank (that would have simply loaned you OTHER people's money) and your business produces NO products or services that OTHER people purchased from your business then yes....

Others helped build your business!

Do you get it now???

How can you "build" a business if you don't "own" it? Fucking moron....

You're so desperate to attempt to defend that which cannot be defended that you're making ZERO sense...

You still don't get it do you?

You hire employees to do the work that builds your business for you.

Wrong ! You hire employess to HELP you build your business !
Something you leftists will never understand !

 

[Mr. Shaman]

"You didn't get there on your own"

12/15/09​

"What is so special about place of birth?

First off, economists agree that the presence of a stable market for goods and assets adds 30% to the value of everything we own—we have that in America, and that increases wealth.

Second, economists tell us that 50% of the annual growth in our economy is a function of the introduction of new technology—we have that in America, and my family knows first-hand about how new technology can increase wealth.

But the benefits of being an American don’t stop there.

In no other country in the world is the federal government spending more money on research. The United States spends some $96 billion every year on fundamental research in universities and laboratories all over this country.

And what comes of this research? Well for starters how about things like jet engines, integrated circuits, the human genome, or the Internet. Clearly the largest and most generous venture capitalist in the universe is Uncle Sam.

It is clear that the folks who have become wealthy from this significant social investment did not do it alone. I believe their estates owe something back to the society that enabled the creation of that wealth."

Bill Gates, Sr.​

​

 

[Vidi]

If everybody else builds a business for you, how come none of the liberals on this site (with a very few exceptions of course) own their own business?

Come on lazy liberals - everyone else is building it for you! So lets get cracking on starting your own business!!!

No? Yeah, didn't think so....

Fucking moron's....

In the same sentence you went from BUILDING a business to OWNING a business numb nuts!

There's a difference.

Unless you have been the SOLE employee of this business you own and you did your own financing with no need for a bank (that would have simply loaned you OTHER people's money) and your business produces NO products or services that OTHER people purchased from your business then yes....

Others helped build your business!

Do you get it now???

How can you "build" a business if you don't "own" it? Fucking moron....

You're so desperate to attempt to defend that which cannot be defended that you're making ZERO sense...

I have employees who offered their ideas to my business. I own it but they helped grow it with their own contributions.

You dont understand that because youre too busy being blinded by the stupid partisan glasses. Take them off.