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Outraged small business owners fire back at Obama
Jul 28, 2012
Entrepreneurs say, 'We did build this'
Outraged small business owners fire back at Obama
My bad, I guess romney wasn't first
Romney to Olympians: 'You didn't get here solely on your own' - First Read
Was just copying off the President then.
Suggesting a round of applause isn't quite the same as imposing additional taxation, which is ultimately enforced at the point of gun. But nice try.
The IRS usually seizes bank assets or garnishes wages and salaries when it is owed money you refuse to pay. Seldom does it require a weapon. I have no idea how we got on the subject of law enforcement - but why not? So go ahead and explain to us how you would prefer the IRS collect unpaid taxes? Should they just ask nicely? Perhaps send a singing telegram?
No point in arguing, Ima just accept the CON$ way of thinking and say that businesses don't need civilization. That is, afterall, what they're pretty much saying.
Gee, then I guess the American Enterprise Institute is also part of the 'left', because American Enterprise Institute "scholars" were ordered not to speak to the media on the subject of health care reform, because they agreed with too much of what Obama was trying to do.
"Pravda Reports"
of course, that is news- the gov't says it plans will work
Check out Papa Obama's website- they say it is great, as well
7/23/12 One in 10 employers plans to drop health benefits, study finds
The study found that smaller firms were most likely to say they will drop coverage. Thirteen percent of companies with 50 to 100 workers said they would end policies within three years, compared with 2 percent of companies with more than 1,000 workers.
Survey: Under ObamaCare, companies could save billions by dropping health insurance coverage
Even after paying a penalty of $2,000 per employee, the companies stand to save $28.6 billion in 2014 alone by shifting employees to health insurance exchanges governed by strict federal standards. The companies stand to save more than $422 billion over the first 10 years of the law by doing this.
"The penalties for the employers who drop coverage are very low, and the subsidies for the workers in the exchanges are very high," said James Capretta, with the Ethics and Public Policy Center.
So much for if you like your plan you will be able to keep it
Yes unintended consequences and more
costs that were not factored in.....
The law will decrease costs, strengthen businesses and make it easier for employers to provide coverage to their workers.
The Congressional Budget Office added that most employers "will continue to have an economic incentive to offer health insurance to their employees."
CBO and the staff of the Joint Committee on Taxation (JCT) continue to expect that the Affordable Care Act (ACA)the health care legislation enacted in March 2010will lead to a small reduction in the number of people receiving employment-based health insurance. Some observers have expressed surprise that CBO and JCT have not expected a much larger reduction given the expanded eligibility for Medicaid and the subsidies for insurance coverage purchased through health insurance exchanges that will result from the ACA. CBO and JCTs estimates take account of those factors, but they also recognize that the legislation leaves in place some financial incentives and also creates new financial incentives for firms to offer and for many people to obtain health insurance coverage through their employers.
Sure it will
No doubt it will run just as well as the Post Office
Will it
smart money says it will go down as the time the Left and Papa Obama
purposely undermined the private sector to force socialized medicine on the public
Didn't Taliban have to first fight the communists- the Soviets
WOW, are you THAT naive? Even if Romney wins and Republicans gain control of both houses, the individual mandate is not going to be removed. Why you ask? Because the private sector insurance companies demanded it.
BTW, please provide ONE country where private sector insurance works?
No point in arguing, Ima just accept the CON$ way of thinking and say that businesses don't need civilization. That is, afterall, what they're pretty much saying.
Did it EVER occur to YOU that Business IS civilization that operates under a set of rules that Government has perverted, and that YOU have bought into the Government meme?
IDIOT.
Is that where the indivdual would foot the cost of things like having the police come out to your house o, well, wouldn't you be charged for everything pretty much? At this point i'm wondering because im not sure....dude
Will it
smart money says it will go down as the time the Left and Papa Obama
purposely undermined the private sector to force socialized medicine on the public
Didn't Taliban have to first fight the communists- the Soviets
WOW, are you THAT naive? Even if Romney wins and Republicans gain control of both houses, the individual mandate is not going to be removed. Why you ask? Because the private sector insurance companies demanded it.
BTW, please provide ONE country where private sector insurance works?
My bad, I guess romney wasn't first
Romney to Olympians: 'You didn't get here solely on your own' - First Read
Was just copying off the President then.
Suggesting a round of applause isn't quite the same as imposing additional taxation, which is ultimately enforced at the point of gun. But nice try.
The IRS usually seizes bank assets or garnishes wages and salaries when it is owed money you refuse to pay. Seldom does it require a weapon. I have no idea how we got on the subject of law enforcement - but why not? So go ahead and explain to us how you would prefer the IRS collect unpaid taxes? Should they just ask nicely? Perhaps send a singing telegram?
Thank you AGAIN for ignoring what Moffit wrote. Maybe you will read what Stuart M. Butler wrote, back when the individual mandate was THEIR invention:
"If a young man wrecks his Porsche and has not had the foresight to obtain insurance . . . society feels no obligation to repair his car. But health care is different. If a man is struck down by a heart attack in the street, Americans will care for him whether or not he has insurance. If we find that he has spent his money on other things rather than insurance, we may be angry but we will not deny him services . . . .
A mandate on individuals recognizes this implicit contract. . . . Each household has the obligation, to the extent it is able, to avoid placing demands on society by protecting itself."[1]
[1] Start M. Butler, Assuring Affordable Health Care for All Americans, Heritage Lectures 218, p. 8(1989).
Here is a history lesson for you.
The Individual Mandate, a Brief History Part I, Conservative Origins
Oh I have and outside of the word mandate
there is not much
state control, catastrophic coverage- Papa Obama care- not
tax credits--- Papa Obama care - not and with a penalty/tax
so yes there is a mandate but the Heritage plan does not
impose a penalty for no coverage- one just loses the tax break
Under Papa ObamaCare each person would be allowed into pools without regard to age or preexisting conditions and the same cost to all of them- This would act as a large regressive cost to everyone in that pool
Fundamentally, Papa Obama always wanted single payer. He and the Democrats tried to get as close to it - But that was curbed by public response to their plans
So what go instead is the "first step" to that goal- Papa ObamaCare
A plan that was designed on purpose for employers to drop employees as quickly as possible into gov't run pools since the penalty is less than the cost of covering them. Insurers will leave the marketplace as the customer base dries up.
Furthermore with penalty/ tax for not having insurance being cheaper than buying
your own insurance, people will just wait until they are sick to sign up for insurance and then billions will be removed from the insurance pool.
It will not take much for this Ponzi scheme to collapse.
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Again they share the word mandate- that is the majority of similarity.
One was a system designed to be tax credit based system for working people
to get help with catastrophic insurance costs in the market place
The other, PapaObama care is a comprehensive system designed on purpose
to strain the markets, lead to their demise to be replaced by single payer
Again this monstrosity called Papa Obama Care belongs to and is owned
by the Left
Gee, then I guess the American Enterprise Institute is also part of the 'left', because American Enterprise Institute "scholars" were ordered not to speak to the media on the subject of health care reform, because they agreed with too much of what Obama was trying to do.
Gee, then I guess the American Enterprise Institute is also part of the 'left', because American Enterprise Institute "scholars" were ordered not to speak to the media on the subject of health care reform, because they agreed with too much of what Obama was trying to do.
Evidence?
Barb, if only it were. I owned a business for 23 years. Nobody ever ran to my aid the 2 years it was being embezzled, and following that episode, repayment for losses required a full five years of paying them back with interest when I borrowed to keep doors open and employees paid. You couldn't pay me a million bucks to repeat the wrenching that horrible series of thefts placed on my little world of barely making it through the years by the seat of my pants. Thieving employees take something away from their victims business and place distrust and loss of health with it. The entire time, that employee took what little my business home while I was at the bank every two weeks, wondering what was going on to make merchandise march out the door and not enough receipts to replace that. It wasn't until all other employees left and it was just the two of us that the crimes done were revealed through daily acts of theft I won'[t go into here.Something rarely heard of in the talk of onerous tax burdens and the need to trim government largess in order to relieve us of big government is the host of government expenditures included within the welfare state that benefit the wealthy and corporations to a greater degree than they do ordinary citizens. A few examples are an educated workforce funded or subsidized by taxes, research and development for drugs pharmaceutical giants have patented and sold back to the public, and the medical and ecological agencies that cure, alleviate, or clean up after corporate damage, malfeasance, and waste.
Honorable mention must also go to the courts that regulate and litigate business transactions, the US military, which is used to control and “stabilize” (or destabilize, they don't care which) the world for global trade, and the police who protect the uppity crust from the ever more disenfranchised, disenchanted, and disgruntled rabble down here at the bottom
Hartman, Thom, Screwed: the undeclared war against the middle class-and what we can do about it, 1st Ed., Berrett-Koehler Publishers, Inc., San Francisco, US 2006, 2007, 67-69
Are those your words or a book quotation? Without a quote box, it's hard to tell.
In either case, if you'll open the link I posted above, you'll find that the author (more generous than I, to be sure)... already pretty much concedes all that. He gives you the entire DoD, for example. He still finds that this type of federal spending is less than 25%. It's just not possible to say that the business community is profiting more than they pay. At best, they're only benefiting by 25% of federal spending, but the top 1% account for 37% of revenues.
Obama's argument fails on every level, but it fails most of all in basic honesty. Because he KNOWS that he could confiscate every dime from the so-called rich and maybe.. maybe.. fund one year of current spending, leaving nothing for any subsequent year. This is political division, created for the sake of garnering votes.
We should ALL be pissed about that. This guy RAN on unity.
My words. I quoted my source.
As to the bolded above, horse shit.
Attention: This thread is NOT about Health Care Reform. There are many many threads out there to discuss healthcare reform.
This thread is about American business and how much it owes to Obama and the government.
Attention: This thread is NOT about Health Care Reform. There are many many threads out there to discuss healthcare reform.
This thread is about American business and how much it owes to Obama and the government.
Good point
but the Left's lies are so hard to ignore some time
I am guilty of continuing with the leftist
If only Papa ObamaCare Independent Payment Advisory Board (IPAB) death panels
were in place, I could turn myself in for the good of the collective's health
Gee, then I guess the American Enterprise Institute is also part of the 'left', because American Enterprise Institute "scholars" were ordered not to speak to the media on the subject of health care reform, because they agreed with too much of what Obama was trying to do.
Evidence?
David Frum and the Closing of the Conservative Mind | by Bruce Bartlett
Please quote the text that supports your claim. I'm not going to read the entire article.
Gee, then I guess the American Enterprise Institute is also part of the 'left', because American Enterprise Institute "scholars" were ordered not to speak to the media on the subject of health care reform, because they agreed with too much of what Obama was trying to do.
Evidence?
David Frum and the Closing of the Conservative Mind | by Bruce Bartlett
Obamacare is pertinent to this discussion only in the sense that it helps or hurts business. Of course Obama will take the position that Obamacare will do nothing but help business and thereby take more credit for what we the business people of the world add to the economy. Those who have actually evaluated it may or may not agree that it will be the total disaster as some see it, but I haven't found anybody credible yet who doesn't know that it WILL raise taxes and it WILL be much more costly than anything the federal government has admitted and it will NOT reduce healthcare costs.
And of course to cover the escalating costs, it is important to tax business more.
Becki hit the nail on the head re how a bad employee is so detrimental to a business and conversely, how valuable the honest, productive, and ambitious employee can be.
Likewise bad government is detrimental to business and becomes a kind of theft. It is also possible for government to put policy and regulation in place that encourages free enterprise, commerce, and industry and allows American business to thrive. But such good government may pat itself on the back for facilitating a strong economy, but it won't take credit for the success of the successful business.
