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No one makes it on their own. Successful budiness owners have families and employees and customers who help a business grow. But Papa O wasnt talking about their contributions and rewards. He was talking about the FEDERAL GOVERNMENT. I can say with certainty that the feds did nothing to help our business. Nothing. And shut up about the fucking roads. Most of them belong to the state.
No. Papa O was talking about the contribution that THE PEOPLE put into the system, bulding roads and schools and fire houses and cop shops.
Well that's just stupid... Those same roads, bridges, schools and fire houses didn't help the failed businesses...
If they helped the successful businesses then they didn't help the failed businesses...
IOW, you need to remove them from the equation...
It was there when we had slavery
It was there when we had Japanese Americans locked up in camps
oh wait....
Some businesses succeeded after that collapse and others didn't...No. Papa O was talking about the contribution that THE PEOPLE put into the system, bulding roads and schools and fire houses and cop shops.
Well that's just stupid... Those same roads, bridges, schools and fire houses didn't help the failed businesses...
If they helped the successful businesses then they didn't help the failed businesses...
IOW, you need to remove them from the equation...
No its NOT stupid. Not when youve LIVED it!
Weve seen this very principle IN ACTION within the last decade. When the bridge fell here in Minneapolis. Businesses were hurt when their customers could no longer reach them. Many small mom and pop operations on one side of the river or the other either hit sudden hard times or went under completely. Through NO FAULT OF THEIR OWN. A bridge fell and suddenly their customer base disappeared.
Remember the old saying, " Location, Location, Location" ?
Guess who does the districting? Guess who decides where the roads will go? Where the next bridge gets built?
Its the community NOT the single rugged individual business owner that decides such things. The community and therefore the government decides which location, location, location is going to be the prime location.
Some businesses succeeded after that collapse and others didn't...Well that's just stupid... Those same roads, bridges, schools and fire houses didn't help the failed businesses...
If they helped the successful businesses then they didn't help the failed businesses...
IOW, you need to remove them from the equation...
No its NOT stupid. Not when youve LIVED it!
Weve seen this very principle IN ACTION within the last decade. When the bridge fell here in Minneapolis. Businesses were hurt when their customers could no longer reach them. Many small mom and pop operations on one side of the river or the other either hit sudden hard times or went under completely. Through NO FAULT OF THEIR OWN. A bridge fell and suddenly their customer base disappeared.
You CANNOT use bridges and roads as a measure of success for a business...
Remember the old saying, " Location, Location, Location" ?
Guess who does the districting? Guess who decides where the roads will go? Where the next bridge gets built?
Its the community NOT the single rugged individual business owner that decides such things. The community and therefore the government decides which location, location, location is going to be the prime location.
Yet 0bama said his remarks to ALL successful businesses... Not just the ones with prime location...
There are others in a warehouse on the end of a dirt road who are successful....
Businesses on the same street fail while others succeed....
Barry was fucked-up wrong...
/facepalm
wow, way to laser focus on a tree and COMPLETELY miss the forest.
/facepalm
wow, way to laser focus on a tree and COMPLETELY miss the forest.
Way to defend Barry's dumbass remarks...
Again, for those who fail to see reality: Bridges and roads are there for customers of failed businesses and successful businesses...
To credit them for the success of some while ignoring them for the failure of others is beyond stupid...
/facepalm
wow, way to laser focus on a tree and COMPLETELY miss the forest.
Way to defend Barry's dumbass remarks...
Again, for those who fail to see reality: Bridges and roads are there for customers of failed businesses and successful businesses...
To credit them for the success of some while ignoring them for the failure of others is beyond stupid...
I just credited them for the failure of once successful businesses.
So again I issue the challenge: Show me an example of a successful business that NEVER utilized the commons.
Until you CAN, your argument is invalid.
I don't see where if you use a preexisting resource you have no right to claim you succeeded on your own merits. Those resources were paid in full from the past and given equally as an opportunity for all. Penalizing or diminishing what that person accomplished as government given is just plain wrong.
I don't see where if you use a preexisting resource you have no right to claim you succeeded on your own merits. Those resources were paid in full from the past and given equally as an opportunity for all. Penalizing or diminishing what that person accomplished as government given is just plain wrong.
Thats not what Im saying at all.
First let me answer your "paid in full" statement. What is paid in full? Is the highway system done? Because theres an old joke here in Minnesota, we have two seasons: Winter and Highway Construction.
Which resource is "paid in full"? Which one doesnt have to constantly be renewed? Do we not need to train new fire people, police officers, teachers? Do we not constantly have to repair our infrastructure?
The previous generation maintained our society for us to inherit. We must do the same for the next.
Second, who says the government gave them their success? I certainly didnt. I did say they didnt do it all on their own. I will say that NO MAN IS AN ISLAND.
Look Im a fairly successful business owner. I own several businesses. I worked my ass off to make them successful, but in the end, I didnt do it alone. I didnt educate my workers. I didnt build the roads that my products are delvered on. I had help. And no successful business owner can HONESTLY say they did it all on their own.
My taxes will go to maintain those roads, possibly build new ones. My taxes will go to educate the next generation fo workers. My taxes will train the next generation of teachers and police officers and firemen and soldiers that will defend my freedom and the freedom of my children.
I OWE it to this country that provided me the opportunity to become successful to do what I can to provide that same opportunity to others. Because I sure as hell wouldnt have had this opportunity in Russia, or China.
Its called Patriotism. Patriotism isnt about selfish greed. Its about pledging your life, your honor and your fortune to the country you love. Either you have it, and you understand what Im talking about, or you dont, and you dont.
You're missing the point vidi...
THE SAME bridges and roads that you claim helped you somehow failed other businesses...
Solyndra somehow couldn't use those bridges and roads to make it work...
It wasn't the magical roads and bridges that made your business successful....
Barry was wrong and he's in full damage control trying to spin it around....
You're missing the point vidi...
THE SAME bridges and roads that you claim helped you somehow failed other businesses...
Solyndra somehow couldn't use those bridges and roads to make it work...
It wasn't the magical roads and bridges that made your business successful....
Barry was wrong and he's in full damage control trying to spin it around....
I don't see where if you use a preexisting resource you have no right to claim you succeeded on your own merits. Those resources were paid in full from the past and given equally as an opportunity for all. Penalizing or diminishing what that person accomplished as government given is just plain wrong.
Thats not what Im saying at all.
First let me answer your "paid in full" statement. What is paid in full? Is the highway system done? Because theres an old joke here in Minnesota, we have two seasons: Winter and Highway Construction.
Which resource is "paid in full"? Which one doesnt have to constantly be renewed? Do we not need to train new fire people, police officers, teachers? Do we not constantly have to repair our infrastructure?
The previous generation maintained our society for us to inherit. We must do the same for the next.
Second, who says the government gave them their success? I certainly didnt. I did say they didnt do it all on their own. I will say that NO MAN IS AN ISLAND.
Look Im a fairly successful business owner. I own several businesses. I worked my ass off to make them successful, but in the end, I didnt do it alone. I didnt educate my workers. I didnt build the roads that my products are delvered on. I had help. And no successful business owner can HONESTLY say they did it all on their own.
My taxes will go to maintain those roads, possibly build new ones. My taxes will go to educate the next generation fo workers. My taxes will train the next generation of teachers and police officers and firemen and soldiers that will defend my freedom and the freedom of my children.
I OWE it to this country that provided me the opportunity to become successful to do what I can to provide that same opportunity to others. Because I sure as hell wouldnt have had this opportunity in Russia, or China.
Its called Patriotism. Patriotism isnt about selfish greed. Its about pledging your life, your honor and your fortune to the country you love. Either you have it, and you understand what Im talking about, or you dont, and you dont.
You're under the false impresssion that we are paying anything forward in this government. So much debt has been accumulated, that we can't even pay for the recent past. How dare you suggest you are paying a single thing forward. It is unpatriotic to burden the future with your present wants, yet that is what you are doing.
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You Olympians, however, know you didnt get here solely on your own power. For most of you, loving parents, sisters or brothers, encouraged your hopes, coaches guided, communities built venues in order to organize competitions. All Olympians stand on the shoulders of those who lifted them. Weve already cheered the Olympians, lets also cheer the parents, coaches, and communities. All right! [pumps fist].
- Mitt Romney 2002
My how times have changed...oh no, wait, no they haven't, it's just Mitt!
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You Olympians, however, know you didnt get here solely on your own power. For most of you, loving parents, sisters or brothers, encouraged your hopes, coaches guided, communities built venues in order to organize competitions. All Olympians stand on the shoulders of those who lifted them. Weve already cheered the Olympians, lets also cheer the parents, coaches, and communities. All right! [pumps fist].
- Mitt Romney 2002
My how times have changed...oh no, wait, no they haven't, it's just Mitt!
Mitt did not suggest for a minute that the Olympians did not put in the work, effort, endure the pain, the disappointments, and the struggle to reach a level to become competitive in the Olympics. The fact that others supported them along the way takes nothing away from their own efforts. No suggestion that those medals should be cut up and distributed to everybody because the Olympians don't deserve to keep them.
Obama tells us who built businesses that we didn't do that but government did it; that we owe everybody else our profits because we don't deserve them.
"Weve already cheered the Olympians, lets also cheer the parents, coaches, and communities."
Pay your tax to the support staff!
Show me a successful business on an island with ONE person one it?
