"You didn't get there on your own"

[Moonglow]

All the government transcontinental railroads went bankrupt shortly after they were completed. They were rife with corruption and outright fraud. The construction was so shoddy that most of the line had to be rebuilt before they could be operated profitably.

Thank the railroad companies.
it was around the time of when grant was a republican president and his administartion was rife with corruption and fraud also.

Whenever government decides to subsidize private businesses, corruption is always the result, but somehow the liberal always finds a way to blame business. Corruption is the inevitable result of giving away other people's money. It goes along with government subsidies just as STDs go along with promiscuity.

The bottom line is that the government transcontinental railroads were financial disasters. I always laugh whenever I see liberals touting them as great examples of the benefit of government subsidizing business and "investing" in infrastructure.

Yes, you read where I blamed both, but do finish your tirade, it's your modus operandi.

 

[Moonglow]

They outnumber us. The government takes your money and then uses it against us to promote its growth at our expense. Once the process is set in motion, it's irreversible. That's what the history of the 20th century shows. That's why the idea of "limited government" is a farce. It's purely a temporary state of affairs. It's unstable.

Every superpower has gone through this. Our trade deficit has destroyed jobs becuase of cheap imports.The economics of supply and demand are stagnant when consumers buy fewer products produced in the USA.
The devaluation of the dollar which happens during recessions is an attempt to lessen that debt and create jobs, by being more competetive in the price of consumer goods exported.
The fact that free trade agreements have severly hurt the economy and companies move to produce goods cheaper and send them here, so the companies that were here are part of the problem with trade imbalance and loss of jobs.
that is why reds and blues are both promoting made in the USA, trying to get people to buy more American made products to support our economy.

My point went right over your head.

No, you point is illogical. If the power of the US is to grow, the govt. will grow along with it.
your illogical fallicies are a tired redundancy of emotive replies without surveying the scene and making a rational statement.
And now the insults.

 

[Old Rocks]

The fatal flaw in all their arguments is the fact that once government exists it will continue to grow like a cancer until it consumes all of society. Our society is doomed. I hold out no hope for it. This election is capitalism's last stand. Even if Romney wins, it's only a matter of time until the parasites drag us down the sewer hole with them.

Alarmist imbecility at it's most extreme

The truth of the matter is obvious. Conservatives and libertarians have been fighting the growth of government since the Wilson administration, and they've been losing.

Well, if they weren't all as stupid as you are, they might have a chance

 

[Old Rocks]

Joe gets up at 6:00am to prepare his morning coffee. He fills his pot full of good clean drinking water because some liberal fought for minimum water quality standards. He takes his daily medication with his first swallow of coffee. His medications are safe to take because some liberal fought to insure their safety and work as advertised.

All but $10.00 of his medications are paid for by his employers medical plan because some liberal union workers fought their employers for paid medical insurance, now Joe gets it too. He prepares his morning breakfast, bacon and eggs this day. Joe’s bacon is safe to eat because some liberal fought for laws to regulate the meat packing industry.

Joe takes his morning shower reaching for his shampoo; His bottle is properly labeled with every ingredient and the amount of its contents because some liberal fought for his right to know what he was putting on his body and how much it contained. Joe dresses, walks outside and takes a deep breath. The air he breathes is clean because some tree hugging liberal fought for laws to stop industries from polluting our air. He walks to the subway station for his government subsidized ride to work; it saves him considerable money in parking and transportation fees. You see, some liberal fought for affordable public transportation, which gives everyone the opportunity to be a contributor.

Joe begins his work day; he has a good job with excellent pay, medicals benefits, retirement, paid holidays and vacation because some liberal union members fought and died for these working standards. Joe’s employer pays these standards because Joe’s employer doesn’t want his employees to call the union. If Joe is hurt on the job or becomes unemployed he’ll get a worker compensation or unemployment check because some liberal didn’t think he should loose his home because of his temporary misfortune.

Its noon time, Joe needs to make a Bank Deposit so he can pay some bills. Joe’s deposit is federally insured by the FSLIC because some liberal wanted to protect Joe’s money from unscrupulous bankers who ruined the banking system before the depression.

Joe has to pay his Fannie Mae underwritten Mortgage and his below market federal student loan because some stupid liberal decided that Joe and the government would be better off if he was educated and earned more money over his life-time.

Joe is home from work, he plans to visit his father this evening at his farm home in the country. He gets in his car for the drive to dads; his car is among the safest in the world because some liberal fought for car safety standards. He arrives at his boyhood home. He was the third generation to live in the house financed by Farmers Home Administration because bankers didn’t want to make rural loans. The house didn’t have electric until some big government liberal stuck his nose where it didn’t belong and demanded rural electrification. (Those rural Republican’s would still be sitting in the dark)

He is happy to see his dad who is now retired. His dad lives on Social Security and his union pension because some liberal made sure he could take care of himself so Joe wouldn’t have to. After his visit with dad he gets back in his car for the ride home.

He turns on a radio talk show, the host’s keeps saying that liberals are bad and conservatives are good. (He doesn’t tell Joe that his beloved Republicans have fought against every protection and benefit Joe enjoys throughout his day) Joe agrees, “We don’t need those big government liberals ruining our lives; after all, I’m a self made man who believes everyone should take care of themselves, just like I have”.

Day in the Life of Joe Middle-Class Republican

 

[Procrustes Stretched]

Wow... we are going all the way back to the FUCKING CIVIL WAR to justify what Obama said????

Are you kidding me????

WAKE THE FUCK UP

Don't worry. Anyone that reads your alarmist posts will ignore you.

 

[Procrustes Stretched]

The fatal flaw in all their arguments is the fact that once government exists it will continue to grow like a cancer until it consumes all of society. Our society is doomed. I hold out no hope for it. This election is capitalism's last stand. Even if Romney wins, it's only a matter of time until the parasites drag us down the sewer hole with them.

Alarmist imbecility at it's most extreme

The truth of the matter is obvious. Conservatives and libertarians have been fighting the growth of government since the Wilson administration, and they've been losing.

In many ways that is so arbitrary a time period as to make you sound like one of those internet intellectuals. not saying you are, just suggesting the most rational observation.

 

[bripat9643]

Alarmist imbecility at it's most extreme

The truth of the matter is obvious. Conservatives and libertarians have been fighting the growth of government since the Wilson administration, and they've been losing.

In many ways that is so arbitrary a time period as to make you sound like one of those internet intellectuals. not saying you are, just suggesting the most rational observation.

There's not the slightest thing "arbitrary" about the time period, and I have no idea what it means to be an "internet intellectual" or why that's bad.

 

[Procrustes Stretched]

The truth of the matter is obvious. Conservatives and libertarians have been fighting the growth of government since the Wilson administration, and they've been losing.

In many ways that is so arbitrary a time period as to make you sound like one of those internet intellectuals. not saying you are, just suggesting the most rational observation.

There's not the slightest thing "arbitrary" about the time period, and I have no idea what it means to be an "internet intellectual" or why that's bad.

Louisiana Purchase and much more afterwards...

No idea? Of course. If you were aware of what I speak of you'd hide your head in shame and embarrassment.

 

[MuadDib]

In many ways that is so arbitrary a time period as to make you sound like one of those internet intellectuals. not saying you are, just suggesting the most rational observation.

There's not the slightest thing "arbitrary" about the time period, and I have no idea what it means to be an "internet intellectual" or why that's bad.

Louisiana Purchase and much more afterwards...

No idea? Of course. If you were aware of what I speak of you'd hide your head in shame and embarrassment.

Do you have any idea what you're talking about? The Louisiana Purchase and Woodrow Wilson were about 100 years apart.

 

[mudwhistle]

You know, when I heard this comment by Barry, all it did was cement what I already KNEW about him BEFORE he was elected. The man is absolutely as CLUELESS about capatalism and free enterprise and is a student of socialism at its worst.

The simple fact is that if a small business man makes it, if he works HARD enough and LONG enough, he might (if he is really lucky) make a go of it DESPITE the federal government. Because I am here to tell you that from the beginning of my business to the day that I shut the doors, the federal government was the BIGGEST roadblock to success. For 20 years, from the moment I started, the nightmare that I had to deal with was "Hello, I'm from the federal government." The second worst nightmare? "Hello, I'm from the state government."

I have NOT met a small businessman who for an instant believes the crap that this man is dishing...

Yeah, but MSNBC is worried about that rich guy Romney not releasing his tax returns when asked. That's the single most important thing of this campaign they said this morning. They won't mention what Obama said. Obama thinks business owners are just plain lucky to have what they have. They should learn to appreciate the fact that Obama allows them to have anything. Just how fucked up this way of thinking is for every single American is not even an issue to them. They wanna know why Romney doesn't drop his pants and expose himself on national TV.

 

[Mac1958]

having just watched the piece in your link (something I should have done at the outset), I see it ressembles nothing you say in the OP...just partisan hackery on your part...

One day I'm called a "commie" by a right-winger, the next I'm called a "partisan hack" by a left-winger. Back and forth, too funny. This board is a hoot, and it's consistent!

From the video you claim to have watched:

• "If you've been successful, you didn't get there on your own"
• "I'm always struck be people who say, 'well, it must have been because I'm so smart'"
• "'It must be because I worked harder than anybody else'"
• "If you've got a business, you didn't build that. SOMEBODY ELSE made that happen"

Now, I'm sure you agree with all that, but those are the quotes to which I was referring. As a person who has started and run multiple businesses, I was insulted. Not because I'd claim to have done 100% of everything in my businesses, but because he was so flippant and condescending about it, and because he was clearly playing to people who have not the slightest clue what it takes to conceive, start, build, run and maintain a business. No idea of the risks, sacrifices, endless hours, constant frustrations. And because he's clearly among that group. I'm not asking for a "thanks" or a "well done", I don't give a crap there, but perhaps a bit less ignorant mockery of my efforts by our President would be nice.

I'm sure you're not insulted at all. Hey, perhaps you've never been insulted in your life. After all, Obama has a (D) after his name, and all business owners are rich and evil, and they shouldn't have more money than you. Or, if you're a business owner, the (D) after his name is enough. I get it. But I just wanted to make things nice and clear for you.

Partisan hack? No mirrors in your house, I take it?

.

 

[mudwhistle]

having just watched the piece in your link (something I should have done at the outset), I see it ressembles nothing you say in the OP...just partisan hackery on your part...

One day I'm called a "commie" by a right-winger, the next I'm called a "partisan hack" by a left-winger. Back and forth, too funny. This board is a hoot, and it's consistent!

From the video you claim to have watched:

• "If you've been successful, you didn't get there on your own"
• "I'm always struck be people who say, 'well, it must have been because I'm so smart'"
• "'It must be because I worked harder than anybody else'"
• "If you've got a business, you didn't build that. SOMEBODY ELSE made that happen"

Now, I'm sure you agree with all that, but those are the quotes to which I was referring. As a person who has started and run multiple businesses, I was insulted. Not because I'd claim to have done 100% of everything in my businesses, but because he was so flippant and condescending about it, and because he was clearly playing to people who have no freakin' idea what it takes to conceive, start, build, run and maintain a business. No idea of the risks, sacrifices, endless hours, constant frustrations. I'm not asking for a "thanks" or a "well done", I don't give a crap there, but perhaps a bit less ignorant mockery of my efforts would be nice.

I'm sure you're not insulted at all. After all, Obama has a (D) after his name, and all business owners are rich and evil, and they shouldn't have more money than you. Or, if you're a business owner, the (D) after his name is enough. I get it. But I just wanted to make things nice and clear for you.

Partisan hack? No mirrors in your house, I take it?

.

If you're sitting on the far right or far left everyone looks like a hack to you.

If you're far right everyone appears like a communist or some brainless Obamabot.

If you're far left everyone appears like a mouth breathing knuckle dragger clinging to his guns and his religion. You're just not cool.

It's just a matter of perception.


I agree with you. This topic is the very reason I despise Obama. What you're seeing finally is the office suckup in Obama that I've always seen.

His smarmy attitude comes out whenever he goes off teleprompter. He's never worked hard in his life yet he feels he has the right to mock those who do. Under normal circumstances that would get someone's ass kicked. I know there are tons of people out there that worked 18 hr days to get their business going and keep it going that would be up in his face for what he said.

While in the Senate Obama never worked hard. He earned a reputation as a bill thief. He would screw off for months and then as soon as a piece of legislation was ready to go to the floor he'd walk in and try to jump in and take some of the credit for it. He never worked along with everyone else. Never did the hard work it took to push it through. He wanted it dumped into his lap ready to go. This is why he doesn't appreciate a work ethic. This is why he's had his records sealed. He doesn't have any real accomplishments that he's really proud of.

 

[Mac1958]

having just watched the piece in your link (something I should have done at the outset), I see it ressembles nothing you say in the OP...just partisan hackery on your part...

One day I'm called a "commie" by a right-winger, the next I'm called a "partisan hack" by a left-winger. Back and forth, too funny. This board is a hoot, and it's consistent!

From the video you claim to have watched:

• "If you've been successful, you didn't get there on your own"
• "I'm always struck be people who say, 'well, it must have been because I'm so smart'"
• "'It must be because I worked harder than anybody else'"
• "If you've got a business, you didn't build that. SOMEBODY ELSE made that happen"

Now, I'm sure you agree with all that, but those are the quotes to which I was referring. As a person who has started and run multiple businesses, I was insulted. Not because I'd claim to have done 100% of everything in my businesses, but because he was so flippant and condescending about it, and because he was clearly playing to people who have no freakin' idea what it takes to conceive, start, build, run and maintain a business. No idea of the risks, sacrifices, endless hours, constant frustrations. I'm not asking for a "thanks" or a "well done", I don't give a crap there, but perhaps a bit less ignorant mockery of my efforts would be nice.

I'm sure you're not insulted at all. After all, Obama has a (D) after his name, and all business owners are rich and evil, and they shouldn't have more money than you. Or, if you're a business owner, the (D) after his name is enough. I get it. But I just wanted to make things nice and clear for you.

Partisan hack? No mirrors in your house, I take it?

.

If you're sitting on the far right or far left everyone looks like a hack to you.

If you're far right everyone appears like a communist or some brainless Obamabot.

If you're far left everyone appears like a mouth breathing knuckle dragger clinging to his guns and his religion. You're just not cool.

It's just a matter of perception.


I agree with you. This topic is the very reason I despise Obama. What you're seeing finally is the office suckup in Obama that I've always seen.

His smarmy attitude comes out whenever he goes off teleprompter. He's never worked hard in his life yet he feels he has the right to mock those who do. Under normal circumstances that would get someone's ass kicked. I know there are tons of people out there that worked 18 hr days to get their business going and keep it going that would be up in his face for what he said.

While in the Senate Obama never worked hard. He earned a reputation as a bill thief. He would screw off for months and then as soon as a piece of legislation was ready to go to the floor he'd walk in and try to jump in and take some of the credit for it. He never worked along with everyone else. Never did the hard work it took to push it through. He wanted it dumped into his lap ready to go. This is why he doesn't appreciate a work ethic. This is why he's had is records sealed. He doesn't have any real accomplishments that he's really proud of.

I'd definitely rather have him voting "present" on my efforts rather than mocking them.

.

 

[Dr Grump]

having just watched the piece in your link (something I should have done at the outset), I see it ressembles nothing you say in the OP...just partisan hackery on your part...

One day I'm called a "commie" by a right-winger, the next I'm called a "partisan hack" by a left-winger. Back and forth, too funny. This board is a hoot, and it's consistent!

From the video you claim to have watched:

• "If you've been successful, you didn't get there on your own"
• "I'm always struck be people who say, 'well, it must have been because I'm so smart'"
• "'It must be because I worked harder than anybody else'"
• "If you've got a business, you didn't build that. SOMEBODY ELSE made that happen"

Now, I'm sure you agree with all that, but those are the quotes to which I was referring. As a person who has started and run multiple businesses, I was insulted. Not because I'd claim to have done 100% of everything in my businesses, but because he was so flippant and condescending about it, and because he was clearly playing to people who have not the slightest clue what it takes to conceive, start, build, run and maintain a business. No idea of the risks, sacrifices, endless hours, constant frustrations. And because he's clearly among that group. I'm not asking for a "thanks" or a "well done", I don't give a crap there, but perhaps a bit less ignorant mockery of my efforts by our President would be nice.

I'm sure you're not insulted at all. Hey, perhaps you've never been insulted in your life. After all, Obama has a (D) after his name, and all business owners are rich and evil, and they shouldn't have more money than you. Or, if you're a business owner, the (D) after his name is enough. I get it. But I just wanted to make things nice and clear for you.

Partisan hack? No mirrors in your house, I take it?

.

I'm not a leftie by any stretch. Only in neocon, whackjob America am I a leftie. I'm a centrist and my voting record backs that up. On hot button issues I am for the death penalty in certain circumstances, against affirmative action, for gun control and for the gays to be married. I am against abortion but believe a woman has the right to choose.

I can cherry pick quotes too, if you like. We can all do that. What I see is a man saying that he earns more than enough and is more than happy to pay more taxes. He believes that those who earn as much as he does, and more, can afford to pay more. He is happy to do so, and his political beliefs are that those like him should and if you believe the same, vote for him. If not, don't.

What he is also doing is drawing a line - if you will - and trying to intercept the negative reactions and typical conservative backlash of "Why should I pay more. I did it on my own. I deserve what I have made. The govt should get none of it. In fact, I should get more tax breaks because that helps create jobs"...yadda, yadda, yadda.

Now, you say you have started small businesses etc. Well done, you! Now, have they been one-man bands - ie, are you a plumber or electrician who works for yourself? More power to you!

However, if any of your businesses have needed more labour than yourself to run them, then he is right. You didn't do it on your own. Again, if you hired people to help you, but they were totally unnecessary, but you hired them only to make life easy for yourself, but in reality, you didn't need them, then more power to you. However, if you hired people that were critical to the success of your business and without them you would have failed, then he is right - you didn't do it on your own. And that is all I see him saying. I hear no talking down to you, just him stating a fact.

 

[BillyV]

Joe gets up at 6:00am to prepare his morning coffee. He fills his pot full of good clean drinking water because some liberal fought for minimum water quality standards. He takes his daily medication with his first swallow of coffee. His medications are safe to take because some liberal fought to insure their safety and work as advertised.

All but $10.00 of his medications are paid for by his employers medical plan because some liberal union workers fought their employers for paid medical insurance, now Joe gets it too. He prepares his morning breakfast, bacon and eggs this day. Joe’s bacon is safe to eat because some liberal fought for laws to regulate the meat packing industry.

Joe takes his morning shower reaching for his shampoo; His bottle is properly labeled with every ingredient and the amount of its contents because some liberal fought for his right to know what he was putting on his body and how much it contained. Joe dresses, walks outside and takes a deep breath. The air he breathes is clean because some tree hugging liberal fought for laws to stop industries from polluting our air. He walks to the subway station for his government subsidized ride to work; it saves him considerable money in parking and transportation fees. You see, some liberal fought for affordable public transportation, which gives everyone the opportunity to be a contributor.

Joe begins his work day; he has a good job with excellent pay, medicals benefits, retirement, paid holidays and vacation because some liberal union members fought and died for these working standards. Joe’s employer pays these standards because Joe’s employer doesn’t want his employees to call the union. If Joe is hurt on the job or becomes unemployed he’ll get a worker compensation or unemployment check because some liberal didn’t think he should loose his home because of his temporary misfortune.

Its noon time, Joe needs to make a Bank Deposit so he can pay some bills. Joe’s deposit is federally insured by the FSLIC because some liberal wanted to protect Joe’s money from unscrupulous bankers who ruined the banking system before the depression.

Joe has to pay his Fannie Mae underwritten Mortgage and his below market federal student loan because some stupid liberal decided that Joe and the government would be better off if he was educated and earned more money over his life-time.

Joe is home from work, he plans to visit his father this evening at his farm home in the country. He gets in his car for the drive to dads; his car is among the safest in the world because some liberal fought for car safety standards. He arrives at his boyhood home. He was the third generation to live in the house financed by Farmers Home Administration because bankers didn’t want to make rural loans. The house didn’t have electric until some big government liberal stuck his nose where it didn’t belong and demanded rural electrification. (Those rural Republican’s would still be sitting in the dark)

He is happy to see his dad who is now retired. His dad lives on Social Security and his union pension because some liberal made sure he could take care of himself so Joe wouldn’t have to. After his visit with dad he gets back in his car for the ride home.

He turns on a radio talk show, the host’s keeps saying that liberals are bad and conservatives are good. (He doesn’t tell Joe that his beloved Republicans have fought against every protection and benefit Joe enjoys throughout his day) Joe agrees, “We don’t need those big government liberals ruining our lives; after all, I’m a self made man who believes everyone should take care of themselves, just like I have”.

Day in the Life of Joe Middle-Class Republican

Maybe some balance is needed?

A DAY IN THE LIFE OF JOE DEMOCRAT
Joe gets up at 6 a.m. and fills his coffee pot with water to prepare his morning coffee. Joe can afford the coffee because corporate loving rich Republicans supported free trade through NAFTA and CAFTA.
With his first swallow of coffee, he takes his daily medication. His medications work because money-grubbing Republicans refuse to place price controls on drugs, thereby allowing pharmaceutical companies to earn enough money to pay for the extensive R&D and take the risks necessary to create miracle drugs. But the drugs still cost too much because government mandated health insurance has artificially increased the demand for medications with no one to police the prices, but that’s OK since Joe’s Republican-supporting bossman pays all but $10 of Joe's medications.
In the morning shower, Joe reaches for his shampoo. His bottle is properly labeled with each ingredient, none of which are damaging to his skin because some animal-hating sadistic corporations paid some scientists to swab the shampoo in some poor rabbit’s eyes. Just for kicks.
Joe dresses, walks outside and takes a deep breath. The air he breathes is clean because some dollar-worshipping conservative developers built some nice houses with pretty yards 15 miles from the industrial sector of the city, and Joe drives his comfortable and affordable “Japanese” car made in Georgia without the inflated cost of union labor, and Joe can stop on his way home to pick up a package of reasonably priced T-shirts at the evil Wal-Mart, instead of having to park his car and take a filthy subway to pay twice as much downtown.
Joe begins his work day. He has a good job with excellent pay, medical benefits, retirement, paid holidays and vacation because his parents instilled in him the value of hard work so he studied when he was in school and learned that he could get by just fine without relying on the government. Joe's employer pays these benefits because Joe's employer knows Joe is a valuable employee and Joe’s employer doesn’t want him to go work for his competitor. If Joe is hurt on the job or becomes unemployed, he'll get another job pretty quick because he’s a self-starting go getter who has a lot of friends at church and from college that he can call to find more work.
It's noontime and Joe would need to make a bank deposit but doesn’t need to go to a bank because evil monopolist Bill Gates helped make computers useable to the general public and he can automatically pay bills thanks to the economies of scale of Bank of America or Wachovia installing the expensive equipment to allow Joe this convenience..
Joe can afford a nice home, not only just because of the low mortgage rates, but also because he gets to keep more of his hard earned money because Republican Presidents in the 1980s and in 2001 cut his taxes.
After work this evening, Joe plans to visit his father at his farm home in the country that Joe’s dad still owns because his landed-gentry Republican County Commissioners have refused to steal his land in the name of a higher tax base.
Joe gets in his car for the drive because the government added additional lanes to the local highways that people actually use instead of throwing money away on a regional rail system that studies project people would little use. Joe gets to his house in record time because death-loving Republicans allow you to go 65 and 70 mph, and you can because pollution loving Republicans don’t make you plug your car in overnight so you can drive for 2 hours at a maximum speed of 20 mph.
Joe arrives at his boyhood home. His was the third generation to live in the house, but he doesn’t because when his grandparents moved to the United States they learned to speak English and didn’t spend their time complaining about how the government wasn’t doing enough for them. The house didn't have electricity until some military-industrial power company plopped a big ol’ nuclear power plant over by the river.
Joe is happy to see his father, so they go to the local bar and enjoy a beer and a cigar, where Joe’s dad tells him that if it weren’t for the estate tax, Joe could keep the farm in the family for a fourth generation and wouldn’t have to sell it to pay the taxes.
Joe gets back in his car for the ride home, and turns on NPR. The reporters keep telling stories about how bad corporations only care about profit and that higher taxes will allow the government to “invest” in our future. They don’t mention that the beloved Democrats have vilified the very people who have provided us jobs, good and services from their small businesses and big companies.
Joe agrees: "Those evil corporations don’t care about the little guy, all they want is to pay their executives huge salaries and steal oil from the middle east. Why can’t we be like Europe where we can work 30 hour weeks and get a month vacation? Bastard rich people only care about themselves."


A DAY IN THE LIFE OF JOE DEMOCRAT

 

[Stephanie]

having just watched the piece in your link (something I should have done at the outset), I see it ressembles nothing you say in the OP...just partisan hackery on your part...

One day I'm called a "commie" by a right-winger, the next I'm called a "partisan hack" by a left-winger. Back and forth, too funny. This board is a hoot, and it's consistent!

From the video you claim to have watched:

• "If you've been successful, you didn't get there on your own"
• "I'm always struck be people who say, 'well, it must have been because I'm so smart'"
• "'It must be because I worked harder than anybody else'"
• "If you've got a business, you didn't build that. SOMEBODY ELSE made that happen"

Now, I'm sure you agree with all that, but those are the quotes to which I was referring. As a person who has started and run multiple businesses, I was insulted. Not because I'd claim to have done 100% of everything in my businesses, but because he was so flippant and condescending about it, and because he was clearly playing to people who have not the slightest clue what it takes to conceive, start, build, run and maintain a business. No idea of the risks, sacrifices, endless hours, constant frustrations. And because he's clearly among that group. I'm not asking for a "thanks" or a "well done", I don't give a crap there, but perhaps a bit less ignorant mockery of my efforts by our President would be nice.

I'm sure you're not insulted at all. Hey, perhaps you've never been insulted in your life. After all, Obama has a (D) after his name, and all business owners are rich and evil, and they shouldn't have more money than you. Or, if you're a business owner, the (D) after his name is enough. I get it. But I just wanted to make things nice and clear for you.

Partisan hack? No mirrors in your house, I take it?

.

I'm not a leftie by any stretch. Only in neocon, whackjob America am I a leftie. I'm a centrist and my voting record backs that up. On hot button issues I am for the death penalty in certain circumstances, against affirmative action, for gun control and for the gays to be married. I am against abortion but believe a woman has the right to choose.

I can cherry pick quotes too, if you like. We can all do that. What I see is a man saying that he earns more than enough and is more than happy to pay more taxes. He believes that those who earn as much as he does, and more, can afford to pay more. He is happy to do so, and his political beliefs are that those like him should and if you believe the same, vote for him. If not, don't.

What he is also doing is drawing a line - if you will - and trying to intercept the negative reactions and typical conservative backlash of "Why should I pay more. I did it on my own. I deserve what I have made. The govt should get none of it. In fact, I should get more tax breaks because that helps create jobs"...yadda, yadda, yadda.

Now, you say you have started small businesses etc. Well done, you! Now, have they been one-man bands - ie, are you a plumber or electrician who works for yourself? More power to you!

However, if any of your businesses have needed more labour than yourself to run them, then he is right. You didn't do it on your own. Again, if you hired people to help you, but they were totally unnecessary, but you hired them only to make life easy for yourself, but in reality, you didn't need them, then more power to you. However, if you hired people that were critical to the success of your business and without them you would have failed, then he is right - you didn't do it on your own. And that is all I see him saying. I hear no talking down to you, just him stating a fact.

oh brother..that Obama is just so brilliant. the little people never understand what he MEANS..

 

[Luddly Neddite]

Democrats are finally admitting they're Socialists/Communists!

Praise Allah!

Yikes.

I think the foundational issue is...

All, hell with it.

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The foundational issue is that Democrats are economically to the left of the Vietnam Communists who have embraced Free Enterprise

Prove it.

Prove any of the idiotic crap you sling around.

You can't because you don't even know what your words mean.

 

[Luddly Neddite]

One day I'm called a "commie" by a right-winger, the next I'm called a "partisan hack" by a left-winger. Back and forth, too funny. This board is a hoot, and it's consistent!

From the video you claim to have watched:

• "If you've been successful, you didn't get there on your own"
• "I'm always struck be people who say, 'well, it must have been because I'm so smart'"
• "'It must be because I worked harder than anybody else'"
• "If you've got a business, you didn't build that. SOMEBODY ELSE made that happen"

Now, I'm sure you agree with all that, but those are the quotes to which I was referring. As a person who has started and run multiple businesses, I was insulted. Not because I'd claim to have done 100% of everything in my businesses, but because he was so flippant and condescending about it, and because he was clearly playing to people who have not the slightest clue what it takes to conceive, start, build, run and maintain a business. No idea of the risks, sacrifices, endless hours, constant frustrations. And because he's clearly among that group. I'm not asking for a "thanks" or a "well done", I don't give a crap there, but perhaps a bit less ignorant mockery of my efforts by our President would be nice.

I'm sure you're not insulted at all. Hey, perhaps you've never been insulted in your life. After all, Obama has a (D) after his name, and all business owners are rich and evil, and they shouldn't have more money than you. Or, if you're a business owner, the (D) after his name is enough. I get it. But I just wanted to make things nice and clear for you.

Partisan hack? No mirrors in your house, I take it?

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I'm not a leftie by any stretch. Only in neocon, whackjob America am I a leftie. I'm a centrist and my voting record backs that up. On hot button issues I am for the death penalty in certain circumstances, against affirmative action, for gun control and for the gays to be married. I am against abortion but believe a woman has the right to choose.

I can cherry pick quotes too, if you like. We can all do that. What I see is a man saying that he earns more than enough and is more than happy to pay more taxes. He believes that those who earn as much as he does, and more, can afford to pay more. He is happy to do so, and his political beliefs are that those like him should and if you believe the same, vote for him. If not, don't.

What he is also doing is drawing a line - if you will - and trying to intercept the negative reactions and typical conservative backlash of "Why should I pay more. I did it on my own. I deserve what I have made. The govt should get none of it. In fact, I should get more tax breaks because that helps create jobs"...yadda, yadda, yadda.

Now, you say you have started small businesses etc. Well done, you! Now, have they been one-man bands - ie, are you a plumber or electrician who works for yourself? More power to you!

However, if any of your businesses have needed more labour than yourself to run them, then he is right. You didn't do it on your own. Again, if you hired people to help you, but they were totally unnecessary, but you hired them only to make life easy for yourself, but in reality, you didn't need them, then more power to you. However, if you hired people that were critical to the success of your business and without them you would have failed, then he is right - you didn't do it on your own. And that is all I see him saying. I hear no talking down to you, just him stating a fact.

oh brother..that Obama is just so brilliant. the little people never understand what he MEANS..

Oh great. This thread starts with really stupid crap from "crusader" Frank and ends with really stupid crap from Stephanie.

 

[Dr Grump]

oh brother..that Obama is just so brilliant. the little people never understand what he MEANS..

Going by the tone of the OP, and the difference of tone of the video link, you are on the money...

You probably don't get that though...

 

[Stephanie]

oh brother..that Obama is just so brilliant. the little people never understand what he MEANS..

Going by the tone of the OP, and the difference of tone of the video link, you are on the money...

You probably don't get that though...

oh yeah, we need you people to TRANSLATE for us..we just don't understand that brilliant Obama...