You Lie! Should We Apologize To Joe Wilson?

[Ame®icano]

He shouldn't have said what he said in the venue he said it

Well, he broke some congressional rule. If he hasn't, that joint session would not be remembered for anything else. To me, it was worth seeing Pelosi's jaw dropping to her boobs. Priceless.

 

[Ame®icano]

Remember when Congressman Joe Wilson shouted "You lie" during Obama's State of the Union speech when he was lying about his healthcare plan? Everyone demanded an apology, and he in fact DID apologize. Now that we know the POTUS has been lying about every aspect of it all along, don't we owe Joe Wilson an apology now?

GOP Rep. to Obama: 'You Lie!' - YouTube

To be fair Obama was talking about funding for illegal immigrants and Obaminationcare! That is a lie also!

I see it bit different. Obama was flat out telling one lie after another. Joe Wilson could've yell "you lie" much earlier in the speech, but I think he said it when he had enough of his bullshit.

 

[Ame®icano]

Btw, even during that Joint Session of Congress Barry said:

"First, if you are among the hundreds of millions of Americans who already have health insurance through your job, Medicare, Medicaid, or the VA, nothing in this plan will require you or your employer to change the coverage or the doctor you have. Let me repeat this: nothing in our plan requires you to change what you have. "

 

[Truthseeker420]

 

[IlarMeilyr]

You guys cannot admit that Obumbler is a compulsive, obsessive, habitual, abject, full-time, inveterate, ceaseless liar...

and you call OTHER people "clowns?"

 

[S.J.]

Speaking of deception and lies, your post makes it seem like millions of Americans are going to lose their insurance and not replace it with another plan. Weird how you forgot to mention that. Perhaps that makes you liar now as well. Are you ok with that?

Yeah, replace it with a plan they can't afford. He said "If you like your plan, you can keep it". He knew that to be a lie. "If you like your doctor, you can keep him". He also knew that to be a lie. Don't you get tired of shoveling Obama's shit for him?

So just for the record. As I've pointed out and you've now confirmed....your last post was in fact also a lie.

Don't you get tired of being exposed as a hypocritical asshole?

I'm a liar? Where's the lie? Millions will lose (already have) their insurance, and it WON'T be replaced if they can't afford the alternative. Looking at your posts, you don't really have an argument of your own to make so you resort to name calling and diversions. Do you think no one notices?

 

[Two Thumbs]

Remember when Congressman Joe Wilson shouted "You lie" during Obama's State of the Union speech when he was lying about his healthcare plan? Everyone demanded an apology, and he in fact DID apologize. Now that we know the POTUS has been lying about every aspect of it all along, don't we owe Joe Wilson an apology now?

GOP Rep. to Obama: 'You Lie!' - YouTube

No

right or wrong, that was improper conduct.

 

[RDD_1210]

Yeah, replace it with a plan they can't afford. He said "If you like your plan, you can keep it". He knew that to be a lie. "If you like your doctor, you can keep him". He also knew that to be a lie. Don't you get tired of shoveling Obama's shit for him?

So just for the record. As I've pointed out and you've now confirmed....your last post was in fact also a lie.

Don't you get tired of being exposed as a hypocritical asshole?

I'm a liar? Where's the lie?

Yes, you are a liar. You continue to omit important pieces of information when trying to make your (weak) point.

Millions will lose (already have) their insurance, and it WON'T be replaced if they can't afford the alternative. Looking at your posts, you don't really have an argument of your own to make so you resort to name calling and diversions. Do you think no one notices?

And there is the lie. If someone cannot afford insurance they will be provided a subsidy to help them cover the cost of the premium. The fact that you continue to leave out important pieces of information, intentionally, makes you a liar.

Embrace who you are. A liar.

 

[IlarMeilyr]

So just for the record. As I've pointed out and you've now confirmed....your last post was in fact also a lie.

Don't you get tired of being exposed as a hypocritical asshole?

I'm a liar? Where's the lie?

Yes, you are a liar. You continue to omit important pieces of information when trying to make your (weak) point.

Millions will lose (already have) their insurance, and it WON'T be replaced if they can't afford the alternative. Looking at your posts, you don't really have an argument of your own to make so you resort to name calling and diversions. Do you think no one notices?

And there is the lie. If someone cannot afford insurance they will be provided a subsidy to help them cover the cost of the premium. The fact that you continue to leave out important pieces of information, intentionally, makes you a liar.

Embrace who you are. A liar.

^ malarkey.

6. If I cannot afford even the most basic coverage, what can I do?
Each state that maintains its own exchange will establish guidelines for qualifying for subsidize plans offered through the exchange. For federal exchanges, the federal government will determine qualifying for subsidies. You will need to check with the exchange offered in your state to determine your eligibility for subsidies.

-- The Affordable Care Act - Your Questions Answered - ABTA

So, RDD, instead of just SAYING stuff, why don't you quote the parts of that brilliantly concieved law that insures (no pun intended) that if folks cannot AFFORD insurance it WILL get "subsidized" or "provided?"

What ARE the guidelines per the law or per the administrative rules and regulations that provide such assurance?

I bet you cannot cite to the law to answer that. And I'll be very surprised if you can cite to the administrative rules and regs.

But go ahead and impress us all.

 

[RDD_1210]

I'm a liar? Where's the lie?

Yes, you are a liar. You continue to omit important pieces of information when trying to make your (weak) point.



And there is the lie. If someone cannot afford insurance they will be provided a subsidy to help them cover the cost of the premium. The fact that you continue to leave out important pieces of information, intentionally, makes you a liar.

Embrace who you are. A liar.

^ malarkey.

6. If I cannot afford even the most basic coverage, what can I do?
Each state that maintains its own exchange will establish guidelines for qualifying for subsidize plans offered through the exchange. For federal exchanges, the federal government will determine qualifying for subsidies. You will need to check with the exchange offered in your state to determine your eligibility for subsidies.

-- The Affordable Care Act - Your Questions Answered - ABTA

So, RDD, instead of just SAYING stuff, why don't you quote the parts of that brilliantly concieved law that insures (no pun intended) that if folks cannot AFFORD insurance it WILL get "subsidized" or "provided?"

What ARE the guidelines per the law or per the administrative rules and regulations that provide such assurance?

I bet you cannot cite to the law to answer that. And I'll be very surprised if you can cite to the administrative rules and regs.

But go ahead and impress us all.

Ummm....You just posted it yourself. Which part confused you?

I will say, this is a first. You call my statement "malarkey" (good term grandpa) and then proceed to post a statement and link that backs up what I said and proves that what I stated was in fact......get ready for this.......NOT malarkey!

Holy shit, thanks for the support slick.

 

[IlarMeilyr]

Yes, you are a liar. You continue to omit important pieces of information when trying to make your (weak) point.



And there is the lie. If someone cannot afford insurance they will be provided a subsidy to help them cover the cost of the premium. The fact that you continue to leave out important pieces of information, intentionally, makes you a liar.

Embrace who you are. A liar.

^ malarkey.

6. If I cannot afford even the most basic coverage, what can I do?
Each state that maintains its own exchange will establish guidelines for qualifying for subsidize plans offered through the exchange. For federal exchanges, the federal government will determine qualifying for subsidies. You will need to check with the exchange offered in your state to determine your eligibility for subsidies.

-- The Affordable Care Act - Your Questions Answered - ABTA

So, RDD, instead of just SAYING stuff, why don't you quote the parts of that brilliantly concieved law that insures (no pun intended) that if folks cannot AFFORD insurance it WILL get "subsidized" or "provided?"

What ARE the guidelines per the law or per the administrative rules and regulations that provide such assurance?

I bet you cannot cite to the law to answer that. And I'll be very surprised if you can cite to the administrative rules and regs.

But go ahead and impress us all.

Ummm....You just posted it yourself. Which part confused you?

I will say, this is a first. You call my statement "malarkey" (good term grandpa) and then proceed to post a statement and link that backs up what I said and proves that what I stated was in fact......get ready for this.......NOT malarkey!

Holy shit, thanks for the support slick.

So, it appears to be either that your reading comprehension is conveniently sub-par OR
you are just indifferent to honesty when you post.

By the way I cited to (and excerpted a quote from) a website by a medical-affiliated group, not to the law or a regulation. That escaped your "notice?"

And, just to give you a much needed "assist," what it SAYS is that IF you cannot afford the insurance you can apply for a subsidy. The right to APPLY for a subsidy (which in turn depends on the rules and regs ABOUT the subsidies) is not quite the same thing as establishing that you will get the subsidy. I mean, are you REALLY so dim that you can't grasp the obvious fact that you might not 'qualify' for any allegedly available subsidy under whatever rules and regs MAY be written about "qualifications?"

In either case, the fact that you could not cite to the law or the rule or regulation (much less quote any such provision) is something that goes very much noticed.

I knew you couldn't do it. And you didn't. Your fail is completely predictable. In fact, it was pretty much predicted. Thanks for playing.

Hurry back!

 

[RDD_1210]

^ malarkey.

-- The Affordable Care Act - Your Questions Answered - ABTA

So, RDD, instead of just SAYING stuff, why don't you quote the parts of that brilliantly concieved law that insures (no pun intended) that if folks cannot AFFORD insurance it WILL get "subsidized" or "provided?"

What ARE the guidelines per the law or per the administrative rules and regulations that provide such assurance?

I bet you cannot cite to the law to answer that. And I'll be very surprised if you can cite to the administrative rules and regs.

But go ahead and impress us all.

Ummm....You just posted it yourself. Which part confused you?

I will say, this is a first. You call my statement "malarkey" (good term grandpa) and then proceed to post a statement and link that backs up what I said and proves that what I stated was in fact......get ready for this.......NOT malarkey!

Holy shit, thanks for the support slick.

So, it appears to be either that your reading comprehension is conveniently sub-par OR
you are just indifferent to honesty when you post.

By the way I cited to (and excerpted a quote from) a website by a medical-affiliated group, not to the law or a regulation. That escaped your "notice?"

And, just to give you a much needed "assist," what it SAYS is that IF you cannot afford the insurance you can apply for a subsidy. The right to APPLY for a subsidy (which in turn depends on the rules and regs ABOUT the subsidies) is not quite the same thing as establishing that you will get the subsidy. I mean, are you REALLY so dim that you can't grasp the obvious fact that you might not 'qualify' for any allegedly available subsidy under whatever rules and regs MAY be written about "qualifications?"

In either case, the fact that you could not cite to the law or the rule or regulation (much less quote any such provision) is something that goes very much noticed.

I knew you couldn't do it. And you didn't. Your fail is completely predictable. In fact, it was pretty much predicted. Thanks for playing.

Hurry back!

Holy shit you're lazy. Of course you have to apply for a subsidy. That way dishonest people who have no interest in personal responsibility, such as yourself, couldn't just get the subsidy automatically without showing that you indeed can't afford it.

You want to read more about the law and the actual text of the bill. Here you go.
https://www.govtrack.us/congress/bills/111/hr3590/text

You want to know if you qualify for a subsidy? Here you go.
Subsidy Calculator | The Henry J. Kaiser Family Foundation

Now what will you do that all of your arbitrary requirements have been met? What will be you lame attempt at moving the goal posts? This should be good.

 

[FJO]

Wow, it really sounds like you guys would be fine with impeaching him on these grounds. Off the top of my head, Cherokee Nation v. United States, and the Iran-contra affair involved LARGE lies. Obama attempted to pass legislation with the intent of society as a whole, but because of stiff self-interest the legislation is extremely watered down.

I would be fine with impeaching him for treason, bribery, and other high crimes and misdemeanors.

The House has enough reason to impeach him, but the Senate would never convict him.

Just like in 1998.

 

[IlarMeilyr]

Ummm....You just posted it yourself. Which part confused you?

I will say, this is a first. You call my statement "malarkey" (good term grandpa) and then proceed to post a statement and link that backs up what I said and proves that what I stated was in fact......get ready for this.......NOT malarkey!

Holy shit, thanks for the support slick.

So, it appears to be either that your reading comprehension is conveniently sub-par OR
you are just indifferent to honesty when you post.

By the way I cited to (and excerpted a quote from) a website by a medical-affiliated group, not to the law or a regulation. That escaped your "notice?"

And, just to give you a much needed "assist," what it SAYS is that IF you cannot afford the insurance you can apply for a subsidy. The right to APPLY for a subsidy (which in turn depends on the rules and regs ABOUT the subsidies) is not quite the same thing as establishing that you will get the subsidy. I mean, are you REALLY so dim that you can't grasp the obvious fact that you might not 'qualify' for any allegedly available subsidy under whatever rules and regs MAY be written about "qualifications?"

In either case, the fact that you could not cite to the law or the rule or regulation (much less quote any such provision) is something that goes very much noticed.

I knew you couldn't do it. And you didn't. Your fail is completely predictable. In fact, it was pretty much predicted. Thanks for playing.

Hurry back!

Holy shit you're lazy. Of course you have to apply for a subsidy. That way dishonest people who have no interest in personal responsibility, such as yourself, couldn't just get the subsidy automatically without showing that you indeed can't afford it.

You want to read more about the law and the actual text of the bill. Here you go.
https://www.govtrack.us/congress/bills/111/hr3590/text

You want to know if you qualify for a subsidy? Here you go.
Subsidy Calculator | The Henry J. Kaiser Family Foundation

Now what will you do that all of your arbitrary requirements have been met? What will be you lame attempt at moving the goal posts? This should be good.

Nothing in any part of my preceding post nor in your dopey attempt at a rejoinder supports your casually tossed out lie that I am "lazy."

By the way, Skippy, we all know that folks can APPLY for things. Real revelation. Not.

What YOU seem to have difficulty GRASPING is that the right to apply is NOT the same as a guarantee of being approved.

YOU can apply for a loan, for example, but that doesn't mean you will be found to be a good risk. Thus, YOU can get turned down.

Now, then: what ARE the guidelines?

Don't cite to a "subsidy" calculator to answer a question of whether you QUALIFY for a subsidy. The subsidy calculator is of no use to you if you don't QUALIFY for a subsidy. Get it yet?

And STOP ducking the question of what part of the ObumblerCare Act or the ensuing Rules and Regulations spell out the various provisions ABOUT subsidies and qualifications for subsidies.

I have read the stupid ObumblerCare "law." I don't need YOUR help. What I asked YOU to do was to cite to the precise specific PROVISION IN the "law" or in the rules or regulations, which followed, that address subsidies and qualifications for subsidies. Are you too "lazy" to do that or just too ignorant or dishonest?

In any event, AS I predicted, you would not do it.

But, even so, I look forward to your next deflection effort. You amuse me.

 

[RDD_1210]

So, it appears to be either that your reading comprehension is conveniently sub-par OR
you are just indifferent to honesty when you post.

By the way I cited to (and excerpted a quote from) a website by a medical-affiliated group, not to the law or a regulation. That escaped your "notice?"

And, just to give you a much needed "assist," what it SAYS is that IF you cannot afford the insurance you can apply for a subsidy. The right to APPLY for a subsidy (which in turn depends on the rules and regs ABOUT the subsidies) is not quite the same thing as establishing that you will get the subsidy. I mean, are you REALLY so dim that you can't grasp the obvious fact that you might not 'qualify' for any allegedly available subsidy under whatever rules and regs MAY be written about "qualifications?"

In either case, the fact that you could not cite to the law or the rule or regulation (much less quote any such provision) is something that goes very much noticed.

I knew you couldn't do it. And you didn't. Your fail is completely predictable. In fact, it was pretty much predicted. Thanks for playing.

Hurry back!

Holy shit you're lazy. Of course you have to apply for a subsidy. That way dishonest people who have no interest in personal responsibility, such as yourself, couldn't just get the subsidy automatically without showing that you indeed can't afford it.

You want to read more about the law and the actual text of the bill. Here you go.
https://www.govtrack.us/congress/bills/111/hr3590/text

You want to know if you qualify for a subsidy? Here you go.
Subsidy Calculator | The Henry J. Kaiser Family Foundation

Now what will you do that all of your arbitrary requirements have been met? What will be you lame attempt at moving the goal posts? This should be good.

Nothing in any part of my preceding post nor in your dopey attempt at a rejoinder supports your casually tossed out lie that I am "lazy."

By the way, Skippy, we all know that folks can APPLY for things. Real revelation. Not.

What YOU seem to have difficulty GRASPING is that the right to apply is NOT the same as a guarantee of being approved.

YOU can apply for a loan, for example, but that doesn't mean you will be found to be a good risk. Thus, YOU can get turned down.

Now, then: what ARE the guidelines?

Don't cite to a "subsidy" calculator to answer a question of whether you QUALIFY for a subsidy. The subsidy calculator is of no use to you if you don't QUALIFY for a subsidy. Get it yet?

And STOP ducking the question of what part of the ObumblerCare Act or the ensuing Rules and Regulations spell out the various provisions ABOUT subsidies and qualifications for subsidies.

I have read the stupid ObumblerCare "law." I don't need YOUR help. What I asked YOU to do was to cite to the precise specific PROVISION IN the "law" or in the rules or regulations, which followed, that address subsidies and qualifications for subsidies. Are you too "lazy" to do that or just too ignorant or dishonest?

In any event, AS I predicted, you would not do it.

But, even so, I look forward to your next deflection effort. You amuse me.

Just as I've predicted when your bullshit question gets an answer, you continue to move the goal posts.

You're arguing for the sake of arguing at this point. The guidelines are there for you to read them.

Are you implying that there aren't guidelines around who qualifies and who doesn't qualify for a subsidy? You do know you have to have a point to your argument before you actually start arguing. You do understand that's how things work, right?

 

[RDD_1210]

For the lazy, I'm looking at you Lieability.

Will You Qualify for an Obamacare Subsidy? | PBS NewsHour

And here is specific text that indicates who will qualify for the subsidy.

"(1) APPLICABLE TAXPAYER-

‘(A) IN GENERAL- The term ‘applicable taxpayer’ means, with respect to any taxable year, a taxpayer whose household income for the taxable year exceeds 100 percent but does not exceed 400 percent of an amount equal to the poverty line for a family of the size involved."

Happy yet? Of course not. Let's hear your next ridiculous complaint.

 

[IlarMeilyr]

For the lazy, I'm looking at you Lieability.

Will You Qualify for an Obamacare Subsidy? | PBS NewsHour

And here is specific text that indicates who will qualify for the subsidy.

"(1) APPLICABLE TAXPAYER-

‘(A) IN GENERAL- The term ‘applicable taxpayer’ means, with respect to any taxable year, a taxpayer whose household income for the taxable year exceeds 100 percent but does not exceed 400 percent of an amount equal to the poverty line for a family of the size involved."

Happy yet? Of course not. Let's hear your next ridiculous complaint.

You haven't heard (or read) one ridiculous complaint yet. So there is no "next" one. Words have meaning. Do try to keep up.

First of all, your quote box quote is uncited. It turns out that YOU, not surprisingly, are quoting the fucking US TAX code.

It would be pretty amusing to quote a lengthy excerpt of that unintelligible overly complicated gibberish.

But in any event, your "answer" is quite uninformative.

It does not address, for example, what a STATE EXCHANGE would grant as a subsidy or under what terms and conditions.

Even going with the just the Federal alternative, what you selectively quoted addresses a person or family making 100% of the poverty line for a family of that size up to 400% of the poverty line figure for a family of that size. But what "subsidy" will they GET?

Will the "subsidy" be sufficient to permit them to then "get" the fucking ObumblerCare Insurance? What if they (under those standards) STILL say that they cannot afford to "product?" Will they be compelled to forego insurance?

Doe anything in the law answer that question? Well, how about in the rules and regulations promulgated by the Obumbler Administration? Does that say what happens in such circumstances to some poor family that cannot afford to buy that which the government decrees they must purchase?

I know you don't see it, but nobody buys what you are trying to peddle. Your smokescreen isn't working.

Muddle on though.

 

[IlarMeilyr]

For fun and giggles (since only high priced CPAs and maybe a tax lawyer or two have any hope of grasping what this wall of words actually says or is supposed to mean), here is the full text of what RDD quoted three or four lines of:

26 U.S.C.
United States Code, 2011 Edition
Title 26 - INTERNAL REVENUE CODE
Subtitle A - Income Taxes
CHAPTER 1 - NORMAL TAXES AND SURTAXES
Subchapter A - Determination of Tax Liability
PART IV - CREDITS AGAINST TAX
Subpart C - Refundable Credits
Sec. 36B - Refundable credit for coverage under a qualified health plan
From the U.S. Government Printing Office, U.S. Government Printing Office Home Page

§36B. Refundable credit for coverage under a qualified health plan
(a) In general

In the case of an applicable taxpayer, there shall be allowed as a credit against the tax imposed by this subtitle for any taxable year an amount equal to the premium assistance credit amount of the taxpayer for the taxable year.
(b) Premium assistance credit amount

For purposes of this section—
(1) In general

The term “premium assistance credit amount” means, with respect to any taxable year, the sum of the premium assistance amounts determined under paragraph (2) with respect to all coverage months of the taxpayer occurring during the taxable year.
(2) Premium assistance amount

The premium assistance amount determined under this subsection with respect to any coverage month is the amount equal to the lesser of—

(A) the monthly premiums for such month for 1 or more qualified health plans offered in the individual market within a State which cover the taxpayer, the taxpayer's spouse, or any dependent (as defined in section 152) of the taxpayer and which were enrolled in through an Exchange established by the State under 1311 1 of the Patient Protection and Affordable Care Act, or

(B) the excess (if any) of—

(i) the adjusted monthly premium for such month for the applicable second lowest cost silver plan with respect to the taxpayer, over

(ii) an amount equal to 1/12 of the product of the applicable percentage and the taxpayer's household income for the taxable year.
(3) Other terms and rules relating to premium assistance amounts

For purposes of paragraph (2)—
(A) Applicable percentage
(i) In general

Except as provided in clause (ii), the applicable percentage for any taxable year shall be the percentage such that the applicable percentage for any taxpayer whose household income is within an income tier specified in the following table shall increase, on a sliding scale in a linear manner, from the initial premium percentage to the final premium percentage specified in such table for such income tier:
In the case of household income (expressed as a percent of poverty line) within the following income tier: The initial premium percentage is— The final premium percentage is—
Up to 133% 2.0% 2.0%
133% up to 150% 3.0% 4.0%
150% up to 200% 4.0% 6.3%
200% up to 250% 6.3% 8.05%
250% up to 300% 8.05% 9.5%
300% up to 400% 9.5% 9.5%.
(ii) Indexing
(I) In general

Subject to subclause (II), in the case of taxable years beginning in any calendar year after 2014, the initial and final applicable percentages under clause (i) (as in effect for the preceding calendar year after application of this clause) shall be adjusted to reflect the excess of the rate of premium growth for the preceding calendar year over the rate of income growth for the preceding calendar year.
(II) Additional adjustment

Except as provided in subclause (III), in the case of any calendar year after 2018, the percentages described in subclause (I) shall, in addition to the adjustment under subclause (I), be adjusted to reflect the excess (if any) of the rate of premium growth estimated under subclause (I) for the preceding calendar year over the rate of growth in the consumer price index for the preceding calendar year.
(III) Failsafe

Subclause (II) shall apply for any calendar year only if the aggregate amount of premium tax credits under this section and cost-sharing reductions under section 1402 of the Patient Protection and Affordable Care Act for the preceding calendar year exceeds an amount equal to 0.504 percent of the gross domestic product for the preceding calendar year.
(B) Applicable second lowest cost silver plan

The applicable second lowest cost silver plan with respect to any applicable taxpayer is the second lowest cost silver plan of the individual market in the rating area in which the taxpayer resides which—

(i) is offered through the same Exchange through which the qualified health plans taken into account under paragraph (2)(A) were offered, and

(ii) provides—

(I) self-only coverage in the case of an applicable taxpayer—

(aa) whose tax for the taxable year is determined under section 1(c) (relating to unmarried individuals other than surviving spouses and heads of households) and who is not allowed a deduction under section 151 for the taxable year with respect to a dependent, or

(bb) who is not described in item (aa) but who purchases only self-only coverage, and

(II) family coverage in the case of any other applicable taxpayer.

If a taxpayer files a joint return and no credit is allowed under this section with respect to 1 of the spouses by reason of subsection (e), the taxpayer shall be treated as described in clause (ii)(I) unless a deduction is allowed under section 151 for the taxable year with respect to a dependent other than either spouse and subsection (e) does not apply to the dependent.
(C) Adjusted monthly premium

The adjusted monthly premium for an applicable second lowest cost silver plan is the monthly premium which would have been charged (for the rating area with respect to which the premiums under paragraph (2)(A) were determined) for the plan if each individual covered under a qualified health plan taken into account under paragraph (2)(A) were covered by such silver plan and the premium was adjusted only for the age of each such individual in the manner allowed under section 2701 of the Public Health Service Act. In the case of a State participating in the wellness discount demonstration project under section 2705(d) of the Public Health Service Act, the adjusted monthly premium shall be determined without regard to any premium discount or rebate under such project.
(D) Additional benefits

If—

(i) a qualified health plan under section 1302(b)(5) of the Patient Protection and Affordable Care Act offers benefits in addition to the essential health benefits required to be provided by the plan, or

(ii) a State requires a qualified health plan under section 1311(d)(3)(B) of such Act to cover benefits in addition to the essential health benefits required to be provided by the plan,

the portion of the premium for the plan properly allocable (under rules prescribed by the Secretary of Health and Human Services) to such additional benefits shall not be taken into account in determining either the monthly premium or the adjusted monthly premium under paragraph (2).
(E) Special rule for pediatric dental coverage

For purposes of determining the amount of any monthly premium, if an individual enrolls in both a qualified health plan and a plan described in section 1311(d)(2)(B)(ii)(I) 2 of the Patient Protection and Affordable Care Act for any plan year, the portion of the premium for the plan described in such section that (under regulations prescribed by the Secretary) is properly allocable to pediatric dental benefits which are included in the essential health benefits required to be provided by a qualified health plan under section 1302(b)(1)(J) of such Act shall be treated as a premium payable for a qualified health plan.
(c) Definition and rules relating to applicable taxpayers, coverage months, and qualified health plan

For purposes of this section—
(1) Applicable taxpayer
(A) In general

The term “applicable taxpayer” means, with respect to any taxable year, a taxpayer whose household income for the taxable year equals or exceeds 100 percent but does not exceed 400 percent of an amount equal to the poverty line for a family of the size involved.
(B) Special rule for certain individuals lawfully present in the United States

If—

(i) a taxpayer has a household income which is not greater than 100 percent of an amount equal to the poverty line for a family of the size involved, and

(ii) the taxpayer is an alien lawfully present in the United States, but is not eligible for the medicaid program under title XIX of the Social Security Act by reason of such alien status,

the taxpayer shall, for purposes of the credit under this section, be treated as an applicable taxpayer with a household income which is equal to 100 percent of the poverty line for a family of the size involved.
(C) Married couples must file joint return

If the taxpayer is married (within the meaning of section 7703) at the close of the taxable year, the taxpayer shall be treated as an applicable taxpayer only if the taxpayer and the taxpayer's spouse file a joint return for the taxable year.
(D) Denial of credit to dependents

No credit shall be allowed under this section to any individual with respect to whom a deduction under section 151 is allowable to another taxpayer for a taxable year beginning in the calendar year in which such individual's taxable year begins.
(2) Coverage month

For purposes of this subsection—
(A) In general

The term “coverage month” means, with respect to an applicable taxpayer, any month if—

(i) as of the first day of such month the taxpayer, the taxpayer's spouse, or any dependent of the taxpayer is covered by a qualified health plan described in subsection (b)(2)(A) that was enrolled in through an Exchange established by the State under section 1311 of the Patient Protection and Affordable Care Act, and

(ii) the premium for coverage under such plan for such month is paid by the taxpayer (or through advance payment of the credit under subsection (a) under section 1412 of the Patient Protection and Affordable Care Act).
(B) Exception for minimum essential coverage
(i) In general

The term “coverage month” shall not include any month with respect to an individual if for such month the individual is eligible for minimum essential coverage other than eligibility for coverage described in section 5000A(f)(1)(C) (relating to coverage in the individual market).
(ii) Minimum essential coverage

The term “minimum essential coverage” has the meaning given such term by section 5000A(f).
(C) Special rule for employer-sponsored minimum essential coverage

For purposes of subparagraph (B)—
(i) Coverage must be affordable

Except as provided in clause (iii), an employee shall not be treated as eligible for minimum essential coverage if such coverage—

(I) consists of an eligible employer-sponsored plan (as defined in section 5000A(f)(2)), and

(II) the employee's required contribution (within the meaning of section 5000A(e)(1)(B)) with respect to the plan exceeds 9.5 percent of the applicable taxpayer's household income.

This clause shall also apply to an individual who is eligible to enroll in the plan by reason of a relationship the individual bears to the employee.
(ii) Coverage must provide minimum value

Except as provided in clause (iii), an employee shall not be treated as eligible for minimum essential coverage if such coverage consists of an eligible employer-sponsored plan (as defined in section 5000A(f)(2)) and the plan's share of the total allowed costs of benefits provided under the plan is less than 60 percent of such costs.
(iii) Employee or family must not be covered under employer plan

Clauses (i) and (ii) shall not apply if the employee (or any individual described in the last sentence of clause (i)) is covered under the eligible employer-sponsored plan or the grandfathered health plan.
(iv) Indexing

In the case of plan years beginning in any calendar year after 2014, the Secretary shall adjust the 9.5 percent under clause (i)(II) in the same manner as the percentages are adjusted under subsection (b)(3)(A)(ii).
(3) Definitions and other rules
(A) Qualified health plan

The term “qualified health plan” has the meaning given such term by section 1301(a) of the Patient Protection and Affordable Care Act, except that such term shall not include a qualified health plan which is a catastrophic plan described in section 1302(e) of such Act.
(B) Grandfathered health plan

The term “grandfathered health plan” has the meaning given such term by section 1251 of the Patient Protection and Affordable Care Act.
(d) Terms relating to income and families

For purposes of this section—
(1) Family size

The family size involved with respect to any taxpayer shall be equal to the number of individuals for whom the taxpayer is allowed a deduction under section 151 (relating to allowance of deduction for personal exemptions) for the taxable year.
(2) Household income
(A) Household income

The term “household income” means, with respect to any taxpayer, an amount equal to the sum of—

(i) the modified adjusted gross income of the taxpayer, plus

(ii) the aggregate modified adjusted gross incomes of all other individuals who—

(I) were taken into account in determining the taxpayer's family size under paragraph (1), and

(II) were required to file a return of tax imposed by section 1 for the taxable year.
(B) Modified adjusted gross income

The term “modified adjusted gross income” means adjusted gross income increased by—

(i) any amount excluded from gross income under section 911,

(ii) any amount of interest received or accrued by the taxpayer during the taxable year which is exempt from tax, and

(iii) an amount equal to the portion of the taxpayer's social security benefits (as defined in section 86(d)) which is not included in gross income under section 86 for the taxable year.
(3) Poverty line
(A) In general

The term “poverty line” has the meaning given that term in section 2110(c)(5) of the Social Security Act (42 U.S.C. 1397jj(c)(5)).
(B) Poverty line used

In the case of any qualified health plan offered through an Exchange for coverage during a taxable year beginning in a calendar year, the poverty line used shall be the most recently published poverty line as of the 1st day of the regular enrollment period for coverage during such calendar year.
(e) Rules for individuals not lawfully present
(1) In general

If 1 or more individuals for whom a taxpayer is allowed a deduction under section 151 (relating to allowance of deduction for personal exemptions) for the taxable year (including the taxpayer or his spouse) are individuals who are not lawfully present—

(A) the aggregate amount of premiums otherwise taken into account under clauses (i) and (ii) of subsection (b)(2)(A) shall be reduced by the portion (if any) of such premiums which is attributable to such individuals, and

(B) for purposes of applying this section, the determination as to what percentage a taxpayer's household income bears to the poverty level for a family of the size involved shall be made under one of the following methods:

(i) A method under which—

(I) the taxpayer's family size is determined by not taking such individuals into account, and

(II) the taxpayer's household income is equal to the product of the taxpayer's household income (determined without regard to this subsection) and a fraction—

(aa) the numerator of which is the poverty line for the taxpayer's family size determined after application of subclause (I), and

(bb) the denominator of which is the poverty line for the taxpayer's family size determined without regard to subclause (I).

(ii) A comparable method reaching the same result as the method under clause (i).
(2) Lawfully present

For purposes of this section, an individual shall be treated as lawfully present only if the individual is, and is reasonably expected to be for the entire period of enrollment for which the credit under this section is being claimed, a citizen or national of the United States or an alien lawfully present in the United States.
(3) Secretarial authority

The Secretary of Health and Human Services, in consultation with the Secretary, shall prescribe rules setting forth the methods by which calculations of family size and household income are made for purposes of this subsection. Such rules shall be designed to ensure that the least burden is placed on individuals enrolling in qualified health plans through an Exchange and taxpayers eligible for the credit allowable under this section.
(f) Reconciliation of credit and advance credit
(1) In general

The amount of the credit allowed under this section for any taxable year shall be reduced (but not below zero) by the amount of any advance payment of such credit under section 1412 of the Patient Protection and Affordable Care Act.
(2) Excess advance payments
(A) In general

If the advance payments to a taxpayer under section 1412 of the Patient Protection and Affordable Care Act for a taxable year exceed the credit allowed by this section (determined without regard to paragraph (1)), the tax imposed by this chapter for the taxable year shall be increased by the amount of such excess.
(B) Limitation on increase
(i) In general

In the case of a taxpayer whose household income is less than 400 percent of the poverty line for the size of the family involved for the taxable year, the amount of the increase under subparagraph (A) shall in no event exceed the applicable dollar amount determined in accordance with the following table (one-half of such amount in the case of a taxpayer whose tax is determined under section 1(c) for the taxable year):
If the household income (expressed as a percent of poverty line) is: The applicable dollar amount is:
Less than 200% $600
At least 200% but less than 300% $1,500
At least 300% but less than 400% $2,500.
(ii) Indexing of amount

In the case of any calendar year beginning after 2014, each of the dollar amounts in the table contained under clause (i) shall be increased by an amount equal to—

(I) such dollar amount, multiplied by

(II) the cost-of-living adjustment determined under section 1(f)(3) for the calendar year, determined by substituting “calendar year 2013” for “calendar year 1992” in subparagraph (B) thereof.

If the amount of any increase under clause (i) is not a multiple of $50, such increase shall be rounded to the next lowest multiple of $50.
(3) Information requirement

Each Exchange (or any person carrying out 1 or more responsibilities of an Exchange under section 1311(f)(3) or 1321(c) of the Patient Protection and Affordable Care Act) shall provide the following information to the Secretary and to the taxpayer with respect to any health plan provided through the Exchange:

(A) The level of coverage described in section 1302(d) of the Patient Protection and Affordable Care Act and the period such coverage was in effect.

(B) The total premium for the coverage without regard to the credit under this section or cost-sharing reductions under section 1402 of such Act.

(C) The aggregate amount of any advance payment of such credit or reductions under section 1412 of such Act.

(D) The name, address, and TIN of the primary insured and the name and TIN of each other individual obtaining coverage under the policy.

(E) Any information provided to the Exchange, including any change of circumstances, necessary to determine eligibility for, and the amount of, such credit.

(F) Information necessary to determine whether a taxpayer has received excess advance payments.
(g) Regulations

The Secretary shall prescribe such regulations as may be necessary to carry out the provisions of this section, including regulations which provide for—

(1) the coordination of the credit allowed under this section with the program for advance payment of the credit under section 1412 of the Patient Protection and Affordable Care Act, and

(2) the application of subsection (f) where the filing status of the taxpayer for a taxable year is different from such status used for determining the advance payment of the credit.

(Added and amended Pub. L. 111–148, title I, §1401(a), title X, §§10105(a)–(c), 10108(h)(1), Mar. 23, 2010, 124 Stat. 213, 906, 914; Pub. L. 111–152, title I, §§1001(a), 1004(a)(1)(A), (2)(A), (c), Mar. 30, 2010, 124 Stat. 1030, 1034, 1035; Pub. L. 111–309, title II, §208(a), (b), Dec. 15, 2010, 124 Stat. 3291, 3292; Pub. L. 112–9, §4(a), Apr. 14, 2011, 125 Stat. 36; Pub. L. 112–10, div. B, title VIII, §1858(b)(1), Apr. 15, 2011, 125 Stat. 168; Pub. L. 112–56, title IV, §401(a), Nov. 21, 2011, 125 Stat. 734.)
References in Text

Sections 1251, 1301, 1302, 1311, 1321, 1402, and 1412 of the Patient Protection and Affordable Care Act, referred to in text, are classified to sections 18011, 18021, 18022, 18031, 18041, 18071, and 18082, respectively, of Title 42, The Public Health and Welfare.

Sections 2701 and 2705(d) of the Public Health Service Act, referred to in subsec. (b)(3)(C), are classified to sections 300gg and 300gg–4(d), respectively, of Title 42, The Public Health and Welfare. The reference to section 2705(d) probably should be a reference to section 2705(l), which relates to wellness program demonstration project and is classified to section 300gg–4(l) of Title 42.

Section 1311(d)(2)(B)(ii)(I) of the Patient Protection and Affordable Care Act, referred to in subsec. (b)(3)(E), probably means section 1311(d)(2)(B)(ii) of Pub. L. 111–148, which is classified to section 18031(d)(2)(B)(ii) of Title 42, The Public Health and Welfare, and which does not contain subclauses.

The Social Security Act, referred to in subsec. (c)(1)(B)(ii), is act Aug. 14, 1935, ch. 531, 49 Stat. 620. Title XIX of the Act is classified generally to subchapter XIX (§1396 et seq.) of chapter 7 of Title 42, The Public Health and Welfare. For complete classification of this Act to the Code, see section 1305 of Title 42 and Tables.
Amendments

2011—Subsec. (c)(2)(D). Pub. L. 112–10 struck out subpar. (D). Prior to amendment, text read as follows: “The term ‘coverage month’ shall not include any month in which such individual has a free choice voucher provided under section 10108 of the Patient Protection and Affordable Care Act.”

Subsec. (d)(2)(B)(iii). Pub. L. 112–56 added cl. (iii).

Subsec. (f)(2)(B)(i). Pub. L. 112–9 amended cl. (i) generally. Prior to amendment, cl. (i) consisted of text and a table limiting increase in amount recovered on reconciliation of health insurance tax credit and advance of that credit for households with income below 500 percent of federal poverty line.

2010—Subsec. (b)(3)(A)(i). Pub. L. 111–152, §1001(a)(1)(A), substituted “for any taxable year shall be the percentage such that the applicable percentage for any taxpayer whose household income is within an income tier specified in the following table shall increase, on a sliding scale in a linear manner, from the initial premium percentage to the final premium percentage specified in such table for such income tier:” for “with respect to any taxpayer for any taxable year is equal to 2.8 percent, increased by the number of percentage points (not greater than 7) which bears the same ratio to 7 percentage points as—” in introductory provisions, inserted table, and struck out subcls. (I) and (II) which read as follows:

“(I) the taxpayer's household income for the taxable year in excess of 100 percent of the poverty line for a family of the size involved, bears to

“(II) an amount equal to 200 percent of the poverty line for a family of the size involved.”

Subsec. (b)(3)(A)(ii). Pub. L. 111–152, §1001(a)(1)(B), added cl. (ii) and struck out former cl. (ii). Text read as follows: “If a taxpayer's household income for the taxable year equals or exceeds 100 percent, but not more than 133 percent, of the poverty line for a family of the size involved, the taxpayer's applicable percentage shall be 2 percent.”

Pub. L. 111–148, §10105(a), substituted “equals or exceeds” for “is in excess of”.

Subsec. (b)(3)(A)(iii). Pub. L. 111–152, §1001(a)(1)(B), struck out cl. (iii). Text read as follows: “In the case of taxable years beginning in any calendar year after 2014, the Secretary shall adjust the initial and final applicable percentages under clause (i), and the 2 percent under clause (ii), for the calendar year to reflect the excess of the rate of premium growth between the preceding calendar year and 2013 over the rate of income growth for such period.”

Subsec. (c)(1)(A). Pub. L. 111–148, §10105(b), inserted “equals or” before “exceeds”.

Subsec. (c)(2)(C)(i)(II). Pub. L. 111–152, §1001(a)(2)(A), substituted “9.5 percent” for “9.8 percent”.

Subsec. (c)(2)(C)(iv). Pub. L. 111–152, §1001(a)(2), substituted “9.5 percent” for “9.8 percent” and “(b)(3)(A)(ii)” for “(b)(3)(A)(iii)”.

Pub. L. 111–148, §10105(c), substituted “subsection (b)(3)(A)(iii)” for “subsection (b)(3)(A)(ii)”.

Subsec. (c)(2)(D). Pub. L. 111–148, §10108(h)(1), added subpar. (D).

Subsec. (d)(2)(A)(i), (ii). Pub. L. 111–152, §1004(a)(1)(A), substituted “modified adjusted gross” for “modified gross”.

Subsec. (d)(2)(B). Pub. L. 111–152, §1004(a)(2)(A), amended subpar. (B) generally. Prior to amendment, text read as follows: “The term ‘modified gross income’ means gross income—

“(i) decreased by the amount of any deduction allowable under paragraph (1), (3), (4), or (10) of section 62(a),

“(ii) increased by the amount of interest received or accrued during the taxable year which is exempt from tax imposed by this chapter, and

“(iii) determined without regard to sections 911, 931, and 933.”

Subsec. (f)(2)(B). Pub. L. 111–309, §208(a), amended generally subpar. heading and cl. (i). Prior to amendment, text of cl. (i) read as follows: “In the case of an applicable taxpayer whose household income is less than 400 percent of the poverty line for the size of the family involved for the taxable year, the amount of the increase under subparagraph (A) shall in no event exceed $400 ($250 in the case of a taxpayer whose tax is determined under section 1(c) for the taxable year).”

Subsec. (f)(2)(B)(ii). Pub. L. 111–309, §208(b), inserted “in the table contained” after “each of the dollar amounts” in introductory provisions.

Subsec. (f)(3). Pub. L. 111–152, §1004(c), added par. (3).
Effective Date of 2011 Amendment

Pub. L. 112–56, title IV, §401(b), Nov. 21, 2011, 125 Stat. 734, provided that: “The amendments made by this section [amending this section] shall take effect on the date of the enactment of this Act [Nov. 21, 2011].”

Pub. L. 112–10, div. B, title VIII, §1858(d), Apr. 15, 2011, 125 Stat. 169, provided that: “The amendments made by this section [amending this section, sections 162, 4980H, and 6056 of this title, and section 218b of Title 29, Labor, and repealing section 139D of this title and section 18101 of Title 42, The Public Health and Welfare] shall take effect as if included in the provisions of, and the amendments made by, the provisions of the Patient Protection and Affordable Care Act [Pub. L. 111–148] to which they relate.”

Pub. L. 112–9, §4(b), Apr. 14, 2011, 125 Stat. 37, provided that: “The amendment made by this section [amending this section] shall apply to taxable years ending after December 31, 2013.”
Effective Date of 2010 Amendment

Pub. L. 111–309, title II, §208(c), Dec. 15, 2010, 124 Stat. 3292, provided that: “The amendments made by this section [amending this section] shall apply to taxable years beginning after December 31, 2013.”

Pub. L. 111–148, title X, §10108(h)(2), Mar. 23, 2010, 124 Stat. 914, provided that: “The amendment made by this subsection [amending this section] shall apply to taxable years beginning after December 31, 2013.”
Effective Date

Pub. L. 111–148, title I, §1401(e), Mar. 23, 2010, 124 Stat. 220, provided that: “The amendments made by this section [enacting this section and amending sections 280C and 6211 of this title and section 1324 of Title 31, Money and Finance] shall apply to taxable years ending after December 31, 2013.”
No Impact on Social Security Trust Funds

Pub. L. 112–56, title IV, §401(c), Nov. 21, 2011, 125 Stat. 734, provided that:

“(1) Estimate of secretary.—The Secretary of the Treasury, or the Secretary's delegate, shall annually estimate the impact that the amendments made by subsection (a) [amending this section] have on the income and balances of the trust funds established under section 201 of the Social Security Act (42 U.S.C. 401).

“(2) Transfer of funds.—If, under paragraph (1), the Secretary of the Treasury or the Secretary's delegate estimates that such amendments have a negative impact on the income and balances of such trust funds, the Secretary shall transfer, not less frequently than quarterly, from the general fund an amount sufficient so as to ensure that the income and balances of such trust funds are not reduced as a result of such amendments.”

1 So in original. Probably should be preceded by “section”.

2 See References in Text note below.

U.S.C. Title 26 - INTERNAL REVENUE CODE

 

[S.J.]

If someone cannot afford insurance they will be provided a subsidy to help them cover the cost of the premium.

And who decides whether or not you can afford it? The same people who are forcing you to buy it. You hacks will support anything this guy does. You should be embarrassed.

 

[RDD_1210]

Looks like yet another nutter thread full of unsubstantiated complaints by people who live to complain has been debunked.