48%: The Democratic Party needs to face an ugly reality

[eagle1462010]

And it's why the rest of us want to keep it. Even those of us who despise Trump and won't vote Republican

Who would allow the leftist scum bags to win........fixed it for you....................

Where did Trump touch you and hurt you......

Good Grief...........Libertardians..................mental

Don't worry...........we got your dang back..........and don't live outside of reality.......enjoy,

 

[kaz]

You literally were just celebrating Arizona going blue and McSally losing. That has nothing to do with Trump.

It's hilarious how you think your ridiculous claim you're a Republican means anything other than to laugh at you for the absurdity of it

That shows that Trump is weakening the GOP in AZ, and that someone like you would think to opine on true Republicanism is a classic example of 'no true Scotsman.' The Dem party in not afraid of your pretend 48.

That doesn't make any sense. You're just babbling. Fakie Jakie: So, kaz, real Republicans don't root for Democrats and cheer when States go blue? That's a True Scotsman fallacy! No it's not, ass hat. It's what being a Republican means

Of course it makes sense. You have lost the discusion on the 48 and the Dem Party as well as a true scotsman. You are no Republican. No person committed to the GOP would ever support Trump. Real Republicans like Army, Will, Kasich, and Romney trod him under.

OK, so that's a True Scotsman fallacy. "No one committed to the GOP would ever support Trump"

I said Republicans don't root for Democrats. You were the intellectual runt of the Starkey household litter, weren't you?

 

[CowboyTed]

This is just a guess, of course, but somewhere around 48% of those who vote in November will be voting for Donald Trump. Without going into the laundry list of obvious examples or any of the standard talking points, there are certainly plenty of reasons not to. Yet he has a perfectly reasonable chance of winning.

Right now, polls show that about 43% of Americans approve of the job he's doing. This, after everything that has happened, and that number should be a very sobering indication of where this country is right now. Personally, I try to understand how these people can do this, but I still only understand some of it.

Anyway, here's the point: Elections are about contrasts. Choices. How can that many people support this disaster of a person? For many of them, they're looking at the alternative. And when those who provide their information and opinions for them point at things like PC and Identity Politics and Cancel Culture and an overall culture in decay, they can make reasonable points not to vote for the Democratic party. Even with, amazingly, this profoundly damaged person in the White House.

It's certainly too late to make any changes before November, but the Democratic party had a chance to take over the middle, and I don't see that happening. There is no excuse, zero, none, for the race to be this close. Regardless of who wins, the Democrats have too often allowed the wrong voices to represent them. It allows the Trumpsters to tie all the silliest crap coming from the hardcore Left to the milquetoast, feeble Biden.

This should be a learning experience, but I'm doubtful.

Mac,

This is not all Democrats fault... The spin and media is unreal... Citizens United has exploded cash inside the GOP. He half the guys here are just muppets following the financially driven talking points... This is the curse of the US democracy, the best one money can buy...
US is the only 1st world country that allows this much lobbying in government at the level in US.. This is not free speech, it is bribery. GOP is fully bought off and Democrats are getting that way too...

 

[eagle1462010]

Meanwhile, back in reality, the Democrats are beating Trump and his cult like a gong.

Why?

The Democrats offer concrete policies across the board, while the Trump cult offers only fear and hate.

The Democrats act like patriots and decent human beings, while the Trump cult acts like Nazi sociopaths. Q-anon, the current Republican philosophy, is literally a Nazi conspiracy theory repackaged.

We can't save the Republican party. The treason runs too deep there. They simply hate everyone outside of their fascist cult, because the hating gives them a thrill. Pity. The USA needs two parties. Hopefully, a sane conservative party will rise out of the wreckage of the GOP.

The Democrats act like patriots and decent human beings

 

[kaz]

Of course Nazis are leftists. NAZI stands for the socialist party, brainiac.

And Nazis had a centrally managed economy, which is socialism.

There was nothing "right" about Nazis at all, they are all yours

Actually, the Nazis stopped being "socialist" after the Night of the Long Knives, when Hitler expunged socialist leaning members like Roehm and Strasser and fully embraced the German Military Industrial Complex. All the big companies were fine with Hitler, such as Seimens, Krupp, Daimler, etc. Companies that still exist today.

Trump is the first president that hasn't started a war since carter. Neocons such as yourself are angry. We get it.

Yes, and in fact every President since Carter before Trump started or got us into multiple wars, not just one. It's not even close

 

[LordBrownTrout]

Kaz, ponder. The Dems have prevented Trump from reaching the numbers he needs, the 48. You know it.


Go to your bosom; Knock there, and ask your heart what it doth know.

— MEASURE FOR MEASURE, ACT 2 SCENE 2

You disappeared when orange man won in 2016, starkey. Where you gonna hunker down for the next four years?

 

[LordBrownTrout]

Of course Nazis are leftists. NAZI stands for the socialist party, brainiac.

And Nazis had a centrally managed economy, which is socialism.

There was nothing "right" about Nazis at all, they are all yours

Actually, the Nazis stopped being "socialist" after the Night of the Long Knives, when Hitler expunged socialist leaning members like Roehm and Strasser and fully embraced the German Military Industrial Complex. All the big companies were fine with Hitler, such as Seimens, Krupp, Daimler, etc. Companies that still exist today.

Trump is the first president that hasn't started a war since carter. Neocons such as yourself are angry. We get it.

Yes, and in fact every President since Carter before Trump started or got us into multiple wars, not just one. It's not even close

Yep, that's exactly right.

 

[eagle1462010]

What you've done is to attack the DNC

Cool........I love doing that too..................They support terrorism and have only one motto..............vote for me because America Sucks............and Trump.

Wow..........let;s vote for the AMERICA SUCKS CROWD.

You are one funny guy.........lmao

You need to take your head out of your ass and STFU. You post nothing thoughtful or thought provoking - plus your use of syntax is ludicrous ...... you ...... can't even ......post anything definitive and echo the BIG LIES .......... you get from trump.... making evidence that you are a biddable fool.

Fuck you and the DNC..........I'm over your BS and lies...........Burning and looting.

Your whole party line is I'm gonna tax the fuck out of all of you.....And AMERICA SUCKS.

Anyone who says differently..........we will kill you or burn down the whole town\

You should only be mocked........I wouldn't piss on you if you were on fire.

That clear it up traitor

 

[JakeStarkey]

You literally were just celebrating Arizona going blue and McSally losing. That has nothing to do with Trump.

It's hilarious how you think your ridiculous claim you're a Republican means anything other than to laugh at you for the absurdity of it

That shows that Trump is weakening the GOP in AZ, and that someone like you would think to opine on true Republicanism is a classic example of 'no true Scotsman.' The Dem party in not afraid of your pretend 48.

That doesn't make any sense. You're just babbling. Fakie Jakie: So, kaz, real Republicans don't root for Democrats and cheer when States go blue? That's a True Scotsman fallacy! No it's not, ass hat. It's what being a Republican means

Of course it makes sense. You have lost the discusion on the 48 and the Dem Party as well as a true scotsman. You are no Republican. No person committed to the GOP would ever support Trump. Real Republicans like Army, Will, Kasich, and Romney trod him under.

OK, so that's a True Scotsman fallacy. "No one committed to the GOP would ever support Trump"

I said Republicans don't root for Democrats. You were the intellectual runt of the Starkey household litter, weren't you?

Will? Army? McCain? Romney? Kasich?

 

[eagle1462010]

You are funny!



Trump's tax cuts helped billionaires pay less than the working ...
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Oct 9, 2019 - Economists calculate richest 400 families in US paid an average tax rate of 23% while the bottom half of households paid a rate of 24.2%

Economists calculate richest 400 families in US paid an average tax rate of 23% while the bottom half of households paid a rate of 24.2%

I love that fake claim.

Maybe you ought to take back your claim that this is fake.

America's richest 400 families now pay a lower tax rate than the middle class

For the first time in a century, the ultra-wealthy contribute a smaller share of their income than most other Americans

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America's richest 400 families now pay a lower tax rate than the middle class
BY AIMEE PICCHI
UPDATED ON: OCTOBER 17, 2019 / 4:43 PM / MONEYWATCH

• The 400 richest U.S. families now pay a lower overall tax rate than the middle-class, the first time that's happened in 100 years, according to economists Emmanuel Saez and Gabriel Zucman.
• Factoring in federal, state and local taxes, those ultra-wealthy households pay a total rate of about 23% — that compares with just over 24% for the bottom half of households.
• The U.S. now "looks like the tax system of a plutocracy," Saez and Zucman say.

And yet the top 1% pay over 40% of all federal income taxes and the middle class pay only a few percent.

Funny how you people keep putting up these claims without being able to show how it was calculated

Funny how you post this same claim and omit billion dollar corporations who don't pay any federal income tax, and the 1%ers paid less when the Tax Fraud passed by a lame duck GOP Congress eliminated permanently the top two tax brackets. Oh, and along the way removed full deductions for taxes paid on the state and local level, while expanding the standard deduction, the latter will sunset in 2027.

These 91 companies paid no federal taxes in 2018

A new report from think tank says some of the biggest companies in the country had effective tax rates of 0% or less in 2018.

www.cnbc.com

And you say nothing to the Hollywood types .filthy rich doing the same thing......or Pelosi and here Ice Cream as people live in the streets and poop there so much they have poop maps.

You are a bunch of Liars and what is happening in Cali is what always happens with morons like you.

 

[Mac1958]

This is just a guess, of course, but somewhere around 48% of those who vote in November will be voting for Donald Trump. Without going into the laundry list of obvious examples or any of the standard talking points, there are certainly plenty of reasons not to. Yet he has a perfectly reasonable chance of winning.

Right now, polls show that about 43% of Americans approve of the job he's doing. This, after everything that has happened, and that number should be a very sobering indication of where this country is right now. Personally, I try to understand how these people can do this, but I still only understand some of it.

Anyway, here's the point: Elections are about contrasts. Choices. How can that many people support this disaster of a person? For many of them, they're looking at the alternative. And when those who provide their information and opinions for them point at things like PC and Identity Politics and Cancel Culture and an overall culture in decay, they can make reasonable points not to vote for the Democratic party. Even with, amazingly, this profoundly damaged person in the White House.

It's certainly too late to make any changes before November, but the Democratic party had a chance to take over the middle, and I don't see that happening. There is no excuse, zero, none, for the race to be this close. Regardless of who wins, the Democrats have too often allowed the wrong voices to represent them. It allows the Trumpsters to tie all the silliest crap coming from the hardcore Left to the milquetoast, feeble Biden.

This should be a learning experience, but I'm doubtful.

Mac,

This is not all Democrats fault... The spin and media is unreal... Citizens United has exploded cash inside the GOP. He half the guys here are just muppets following the financially driven talking points... This is the curse of the US democracy, the best one money can buy...
US is the only 1st world country that allows this much lobbying in government at the level in US.. This is not free speech, it is bribery. GOP is fully bought off and Democrats are getting that way too...

No, it's certainly not all the Democrats' fault. I'm just saying that, with the country divided as closely as it is, that the Democrats don't help themselves when they make themselves easy targets.

What was the total amount of votes in the key states that could have turned the election in 2016 - 70,000? Just winning those electoral votes would have changed the outcome? That's close enough that some stupid moves can really make a difference.

 

[kaz]

You literally were just celebrating Arizona going blue and McSally losing. That has nothing to do with Trump.

It's hilarious how you think your ridiculous claim you're a Republican means anything other than to laugh at you for the absurdity of it

That shows that Trump is weakening the GOP in AZ, and that someone like you would think to opine on true Republicanism is a classic example of 'no true Scotsman.' The Dem party in not afraid of your pretend 48.

That doesn't make any sense. You're just babbling. Fakie Jakie: So, kaz, real Republicans don't root for Democrats and cheer when States go blue? That's a True Scotsman fallacy! No it's not, ass hat. It's what being a Republican means

Of course it makes sense. You have lost the discusion on the 48 and the Dem Party as well as a true scotsman. You are no Republican. No person committed to the GOP would ever support Trump. Real Republicans like Army, Will, Kasich, and Romney trod him under.

OK, so that's a True Scotsman fallacy. "No one committed to the GOP would ever support Trump"

I said Republicans don't root for Democrats. You were the intellectual runt of the Starkey household litter, weren't you?

Will? Army? McCain? Romney? Kasich?

Yes, Will, McCain, Romney, Kasich are hardly conservatives. If they said they weren't going to vote for Trump that's one thing, but voting for Biden is another. What a pathetic lot. They went from my disagreeing with them to their being Commie scum who are voting and endorsing an America hating Marxist. You know, like you.

Who the hell is "Army?"

 

[Oddball]

This is all such bullshit. There is no "middle" in American politics. There is a white nationalist party which is busy enriching billionaires, and is allowing a vicious disease to run free throughout the country because it's makiing their donors so much richer, and another party.

If that's true, how could Trump come anywhere near 40%? What does that tell us?

30% of voters voted for Herbert Hoover against Roosevelt. 30% of voters are so tribal and so uninformed that they'd vote for the Devil himself if he had an "R" beside his name. The religious right being a case in point.

2a. Freudian projection

The following is a collection of definitions of projection from orthodox psychology texts. In this system the distinct mechanism of projecting own unconscious or undesirable characteristics onto another is called Freudian Projection.

• “A defense mechanism in which the individual attributes to other people impulses and traits that he himself has but cannot accept. It is especially likely to occur when the person lacks insight into his own impulses and traits.”
• “The externalisation of internal unconscious wishes, desires or emotions on to other people. So, for example, someone who feels subconsciously that they have a powerful latent homosexual drive may not acknowledge this consciously, but it may show in their readiness to suspect others of being homosexual.”
• “Attributing one’s own undesirable traits to other people or agencies, e.g., an aggressive man accuses other people of being hostile.”
• “The individual perceives in others the motive he denies having himself. Thus the cheat is sure that everyone else is dishonest. The would-be adulterer accuses his wife of infidelity.”
• “People attribute their own undesirable traits onto others. An individual who unconsciously recognises his or her aggressive tendencies may then see other people acting in an excessively aggressive way.”
• “Projection is the opposite defence mechanism to identification. We project our own unpleasant feelings onto someone else and blame them for having thoughts that we really have.”

 

[Oddball]

Who the hell is "Army?"

Dick Armey....The neocon toady tool, who built a career out of infiltrating conservative groups and steering them in the direction of the Irving Kristol/Bush camp.

 

[Slade3200]

This is just a guess, of course, but somewhere around 48% of those who vote in November will be voting for Donald Trump. Without going into the laundry list of obvious examples or any of the standard talking points, there are certainly plenty of reasons not to. Yet he has a perfectly reasonable chance of winning.

Right now, polls show that about 43% of Americans approve of the job he's doing. This, after everything that has happened, and that number should be a very sobering indication of where this country is right now. Personally, I try to understand how these people can do this, but I still only understand some of it.

Anyway, here's the point: Elections are about contrasts. Choices. How can that many people support this disaster of a person? For many of them, they're looking at the alternative. And when those who provide their information and opinions for them point at things like PC and Identity Politics and Cancel Culture and an overall culture in decay, they can make reasonable points not to vote for the Democratic party. Even with, amazingly, this profoundly damaged person in the White House.

It's certainly too late to make any changes before November, but the Democratic party had a chance to take over the middle, and I don't see that happening. There is no excuse, zero, none, for the race to be this close. Regardless of who wins, the Democrats have too often allowed the wrong voices to represent them. It allows the Trumpsters to tie all the silliest crap coming from the hardcore Left to the milquetoast, feeble Biden.

This should be a learning experience, but I'm doubtful.

I’ve been talking to a lot of Republicans about this and I actually hear a lot of them say that they really don’t like the man Trump is or how he acts, but they dislike the Dems even more as they don’t believe in many of their extreme policy objectives. So they are voting for Trump because of the common enemy not because they support all he does and says.

I think you’re right about the way the wings play into this. If the Dems go hard on the progressive causes... anti-gun, PC, cancel culture, raising taxes, regulating energy etc they are going to isolate many swing voters and push them into Trumps camp.

The problem is, if Trump wins again, the Dems STILL won't look in the mirror.

This is madness.

If the Dems lose and trump goes for another 4 then it’s rip for a third party to come in 2024. I’d love to see a strong play for that if that’s the situation

 

[LordBrownTrout]

You literally were just celebrating Arizona going blue and McSally losing. That has nothing to do with Trump.

It's hilarious how you think your ridiculous claim you're a Republican means anything other than to laugh at you for the absurdity of it

That shows that Trump is weakening the GOP in AZ, and that someone like you would think to opine on true Republicanism is a classic example of 'no true Scotsman.' The Dem party in not afraid of your pretend 48.

That doesn't make any sense. You're just babbling. Fakie Jakie: So, kaz, real Republicans don't root for Democrats and cheer when States go blue? That's a True Scotsman fallacy! No it's not, ass hat. It's what being a Republican means

Of course it makes sense. You have lost the discusion on the 48 and the Dem Party as well as a true scotsman. You are no Republican. No person committed to the GOP would ever support Trump. Real Republicans like Army, Will, Kasich, and Romney trod him under.

OK, so that's a True Scotsman fallacy. "No one committed to the GOP would ever support Trump"

I said Republicans don't root for Democrats. You were the intellectual runt of the Starkey household litter, weren't you?

Will? Army? McCain? Romney? Kasich?

These are hard core war loving types.....your types. They aren't conservatives.

 

[kaz]

Who the hell is "Army?"

Dick Armey....The neocon toady tool, who built a career out of infiltrating conservative groups and steering them in the direction of the Irving Kristol/Bush camp.

Thanks! I thought of Dick Armey, but Fakey spelled it wrong and he was somebody from so long ago. He's older than Biden. Not much, but a little

 

[LordBrownTrout]

This is just a guess, of course, but somewhere around 48% of those who vote in November will be voting for Donald Trump. Without going into the laundry list of obvious examples or any of the standard talking points, there are certainly plenty of reasons not to. Yet he has a perfectly reasonable chance of winning.

Right now, polls show that about 43% of Americans approve of the job he's doing. This, after everything that has happened, and that number should be a very sobering indication of where this country is right now. Personally, I try to understand how these people can do this, but I still only understand some of it.

Anyway, here's the point: Elections are about contrasts. Choices. How can that many people support this disaster of a person? For many of them, they're looking at the alternative. And when those who provide their information and opinions for them point at things like PC and Identity Politics and Cancel Culture and an overall culture in decay, they can make reasonable points not to vote for the Democratic party. Even with, amazingly, this profoundly damaged person in the White House.

It's certainly too late to make any changes before November, but the Democratic party had a chance to take over the middle, and I don't see that happening. There is no excuse, zero, none, for the race to be this close. Regardless of who wins, the Democrats have too often allowed the wrong voices to represent them. It allows the Trumpsters to tie all the silliest crap coming from the hardcore Left to the milquetoast, feeble Biden.

This should be a learning experience, but I'm doubtful.

I’ve been talking to a lot of Republicans about this and I actually hear a lot of them say that they really don’t like the man Trump is or how he acts, but they dislike the Dems even more as they don’t believe in many of their extreme policy objectives. So they are voting for Trump because of the common enemy not because they support all he does and says.

I think you’re right about the way the wings play into this. If the Dems go hard on the progressive causes... anti-gun, PC, cancel culture, raising taxes, regulating energy etc they are going to isolate many swing voters and push them into Trumps camp.

The problem is, if Trump wins again, the Dems STILL won't look in the mirror.

This is madness.

If the Dems lose and trump goes for another 4 then it’s rip for a third party to come in 2024. I’d love to see a strong play for that if that’s the situation

No third party is going to emerge. That's fantasy land.

 

[Oddball]

This is just a guess, of course, but somewhere around 48% of those who vote in November will be voting for Donald Trump. Without going into the laundry list of obvious examples or any of the standard talking points, there are certainly plenty of reasons not to. Yet he has a perfectly reasonable chance of winning.

Right now, polls show that about 43% of Americans approve of the job he's doing. This, after everything that has happened, and that number should be a very sobering indication of where this country is right now. Personally, I try to understand how these people can do this, but I still only understand some of it.

Anyway, here's the point: Elections are about contrasts. Choices. How can that many people support this disaster of a person? For many of them, they're looking at the alternative. And when those who provide their information and opinions for them point at things like PC and Identity Politics and Cancel Culture and an overall culture in decay, they can make reasonable points not to vote for the Democratic party. Even with, amazingly, this profoundly damaged person in the White House.

It's certainly too late to make any changes before November, but the Democratic party had a chance to take over the middle, and I don't see that happening. There is no excuse, zero, none, for the race to be this close. Regardless of who wins, the Democrats have too often allowed the wrong voices to represent them. It allows the Trumpsters to tie all the silliest crap coming from the hardcore Left to the milquetoast, feeble Biden.

This should be a learning experience, but I'm doubtful.

I’ve been talking to a lot of Republicans about this and I actually hear a lot of them say that they really don’t like the man Trump is or how he acts, but they dislike the Dems even more as they don’t believe in many of their extreme policy objectives. So they are voting for Trump because of the common enemy not because they support all he does and says.

I think you’re right about the way the wings play into this. If the Dems go hard on the progressive causes... anti-gun, PC, cancel culture, raising taxes, regulating energy etc they are going to isolate many swing voters and push them into Trumps camp.

The problem is, if Trump wins again, the Dems STILL won't look in the mirror.

This is madness.

If the Dems lose and trump goes for another 4 then it’s rip for a third party to come in 2024. I’d love to see a strong play for that if that’s the situation

What do you need a third party for?...Better you purge your own party of the Marxist crackpots that are infesting it.

 

[LordBrownTrout]

This is just a guess, of course, but somewhere around 48% of those who vote in November will be voting for Donald Trump. Without going into the laundry list of obvious examples or any of the standard talking points, there are certainly plenty of reasons not to. Yet he has a perfectly reasonable chance of winning.

Right now, polls show that about 43% of Americans approve of the job he's doing. This, after everything that has happened, and that number should be a very sobering indication of where this country is right now. Personally, I try to understand how these people can do this, but I still only understand some of it.

Anyway, here's the point: Elections are about contrasts. Choices. How can that many people support this disaster of a person? For many of them, they're looking at the alternative. And when those who provide their information and opinions for them point at things like PC and Identity Politics and Cancel Culture and an overall culture in decay, they can make reasonable points not to vote for the Democratic party. Even with, amazingly, this profoundly damaged person in the White House.

It's certainly too late to make any changes before November, but the Democratic party had a chance to take over the middle, and I don't see that happening. There is no excuse, zero, none, for the race to be this close. Regardless of who wins, the Democrats have too often allowed the wrong voices to represent them. It allows the Trumpsters to tie all the silliest crap coming from the hardcore Left to the milquetoast, feeble Biden.

This should be a learning experience, but I'm doubtful.

I’ve been talking to a lot of Republicans about this and I actually hear a lot of them say that they really don’t like the man Trump is or how he acts, but they dislike the Dems even more as they don’t believe in many of their extreme policy objectives. So they are voting for Trump because of the common enemy not because they support all he does and says.

I think you’re right about the way the wings play into this. If the Dems go hard on the progressive causes... anti-gun, PC, cancel culture, raising taxes, regulating energy etc they are going to isolate many swing voters and push them into Trumps camp.

The problem is, if Trump wins again, the Dems STILL won't look in the mirror.

This is madness.

If the Dems lose and trump goes for another 4 then it’s rip for a third party to come in 2024. I’d love to see a strong play for that if that’s the situation

What do you need a third party for?...Better you purge your own party of the Marxist crackpots that are infesting it.

They've allowed their party to be run over with marxist communist idiots and then tell us we need a third party. Yeah, that's exactly right. They need to purge their own depraved idiots and there are a lot of them.