9th Circus Makes Ground Breaking Ruling On Guns

[Norman]

Read more here (I need to credit where I read it)

Ace of Spades HQ

Ninth Circuit Appeals Court: If Hawaii Restricts Citizens' Ability to Carry Concealed, Then There Must Be An Absolute Right to OpenCarry
—Ace of Spades
Huge ruling.

Hawaii sharply limits who can carry concealed -- basically, only people who have jobs in security and law enforcement can carry concealed.

The Ninth Circuit -- not the whole Ninth Circuit, which is a leftwing clownshow, but two of the three judges selected randomly to review the lower court's ruling here -- rules that people have the right to carry firearms (quoting the Supreme Court's MacDonald decision), and if the right to carry concealed is restricted by a state, that must mean that the other method of carrying, open carry, is absolute.

The court rules that the "right to keep and bear arms" is actually two rights: to "keep" arms is about storing arms on physical property, but to bear arms is to carry arms on one's person.

And it rules that Hawaii may not leave citizens with no way of exercising this latter right.

WINNER!!!

People being able to defend themselves... bad news for criminals/leftists.

 

[Timmy]

What does “ well regulated” mean . If u want to cherry pick lines .

Hawaii ain’t congress by the way.

At the time the Constitution was written, it meant that a persons property should ready to roll. Properly maintained.
Not well regulated like the statists like to imagine.
Try again

Ok how about “militia “?

Geez . I agree we have a right to guns but don’t act as if the 2nd says “guns for everybody ! The government can’t do nothing about it !”

As long as it isnt impeding on someone else, what should they do about it?
Does the Constitution mean things it doesnt actually say?
Do you think its a metaphor or something?

Is this where u are a strict constitutionalist except when you don’t want to?

Strictly reading the 2nd it means we need an armed people for the army . Of course we have a standing army now . You could easily say only guard/military members have a right to own guns .

Terminology has changed
The documents intent hasnt
You have to do better than this if you want to argue with me, timmy

Technology has changed also. The “arms” today are much more powerful.

 

[OODA_Loop]

Then you legally murder people.

Nope then you exercise lawful lethal self-defense.

Study: Stand Your Ground law increased homicides in Florida

Not subscribing to read the link,,,,how did it increase homicides ?

 

[depotoo]

In Hawaii county in 2016, violent crimes increased by 16.3% from the prior year.

So you want Hawaii to have lots of shootings like other states? Weak gun laws working real well for FL...

Liberty 1
statist brain 0

Guess I like low homicide rates.

States with carry laws have lower rates.

Which ones have lower homicide rates than Hawaii?

 

[OODA_Loop]

Technology has changed also. The “arms” today are much more powerful.

The bad guys are more plentiful.

 

[Brain357]

Then you legally murder people.

Nope then you exercise lawful lethal self-defense.

Study: Stand Your Ground law increased homicides in Florida

Not subscribing to read the link,,,,how did it increase homicides ?

More guns always does.

 

[TNHarley]

At the time the Constitution was written, it meant that a persons property should ready to roll. Properly maintained.
Not well regulated like the statists like to imagine.
Try again

Ok how about “militia “?

Geez . I agree we have a right to guns but don’t act as if the 2nd says “guns for everybody ! The government can’t do nothing about it !”

As long as it isnt impeding on someone else, what should they do about it?
Does the Constitution mean things it doesnt actually say?
Do you think its a metaphor or something?

Is this where u are a strict constitutionalist except when you don’t want to?

Strictly reading the 2nd it means we need an armed people for the army . Of course we have a standing army now . You could easily say only guard/military members have a right to own guns .

Terminology has changed
The documents intent hasnt
You have to do better than this if you want to argue with me, timmy

Technology has changed also. The “arms” today are much more powerful.

So? What does that have to do with the second amendment?

 

[Brain357]

In Hawaii county in 2016, violent crimes increased by 16.3% from the prior year.

So you want Hawaii to have lots of shootings like other states? Weak gun laws working real well for FL...

Liberty 1
statist brain 0

Guess I like low homicide rates.

States with carry laws have lower rates.

Which ones have lower homicide rates than Hawaii?

You ignored the question. What concealed carry states have lower homicide rates?

 

[Brain357]

Read more here (I need to credit where I read it)

Ace of Spades HQ

Ninth Circuit Appeals Court: If Hawaii Restricts Citizens' Ability to Carry Concealed, Then There Must Be An Absolute Right to OpenCarry
—Ace of Spades
Huge ruling.

Hawaii sharply limits who can carry concealed -- basically, only people who have jobs in security and law enforcement can carry concealed.

The Ninth Circuit -- not the whole Ninth Circuit, which is a leftwing clownshow, but two of the three judges selected randomly to review the lower court's ruling here -- rules that people have the right to carry firearms (quoting the Supreme Court's MacDonald decision), and if the right to carry concealed is restricted by a state, that must mean that the other method of carrying, open carry, is absolute.

The court rules that the "right to keep and bear arms" is actually two rights: to "keep" arms is about storing arms on physical property, but to bear arms is to carry arms on one's person.

And it rules that Hawaii may not leave citizens with no way of exercising this latter right.

WINNER!!!

People being able to defend themselves... bad news for criminals/leftists.

Funny. With all our guns our homicide rate is 4-5x that of countries with strong gun control.

 

[TNHarley]

Read more here (I need to credit where I read it)

Ace of Spades HQ

Ninth Circuit Appeals Court: If Hawaii Restricts Citizens' Ability to Carry Concealed, Then There Must Be An Absolute Right to OpenCarry
—Ace of Spades
Huge ruling.

Hawaii sharply limits who can carry concealed -- basically, only people who have jobs in security and law enforcement can carry concealed.

The Ninth Circuit -- not the whole Ninth Circuit, which is a leftwing clownshow, but two of the three judges selected randomly to review the lower court's ruling here -- rules that people have the right to carry firearms (quoting the Supreme Court's MacDonald decision), and if the right to carry concealed is restricted by a state, that must mean that the other method of carrying, open carry, is absolute.

The court rules that the "right to keep and bear arms" is actually two rights: to "keep" arms is about storing arms on physical property, but to bear arms is to carry arms on one's person.

And it rules that Hawaii may not leave citizens with no way of exercising this latter right.

WINNER!!!

People being able to defend themselves... bad news for criminals/leftists.

Funny. With all our guns our homicide rate is 4-5x that of countries with strong gun control.

Freedom isnt free.
If it was, it would always be available.

 

[depotoo]

Then you legally murder people.

Nope then you exercise lawful lethal self-defense.

Study: Stand Your Ground law increased homicides in Florida

Data from the FBI’s Uniform Crime Reporting statistics shows that from 2005 to 2015, the violent crime rate in Florida decreased by a cumulative 34.9 percent overall.

Politifact

 

[Timmy]

Ok how about “militia “?

Geez . I agree we have a right to guns but don’t act as if the 2nd says “guns for everybody ! The government can’t do nothing about it !”

As long as it isnt impeding on someone else, what should they do about it?
Does the Constitution mean things it doesnt actually say?
Do you think its a metaphor or something?

Is this where u are a strict constitutionalist except when you don’t want to?

Strictly reading the 2nd it means we need an armed people for the army . Of course we have a standing army now . You could easily say only guard/military members have a right to own guns .

Terminology has changed
The documents intent hasnt
You have to do better than this if you want to argue with me, timmy

Technology has changed also. The “arms” today are much more powerful.

So? What does that have to do with the second amendment?

It has to do with the “what the founders think “ card .

 

[depotoo]

No, they aren’t. They report differently than us.

Read more here (I need to credit where I read it)

Ace of Spades HQ

Ninth Circuit Appeals Court: If Hawaii Restricts Citizens' Ability to Carry Concealed, Then There Must Be An Absolute Right to OpenCarry
—Ace of Spades
Huge ruling.

Hawaii sharply limits who can carry concealed -- basically, only people who have jobs in security and law enforcement can carry concealed.

The Ninth Circuit -- not the whole Ninth Circuit, which is a leftwing clownshow, but two of the three judges selected randomly to review the lower court's ruling here -- rules that people have the right to carry firearms (quoting the Supreme Court's MacDonald decision), and if the right to carry concealed is restricted by a state, that must mean that the other method of carrying, open carry, is absolute.

The court rules that the "right to keep and bear arms" is actually two rights: to "keep" arms is about storing arms on physical property, but to bear arms is to carry arms on one's person.

And it rules that Hawaii may not leave citizens with no way of exercising this latter right.

WINNER!!!

People being able to defend themselves... bad news for criminals/leftists.

Funny. With all our guns our homicide rate is 4-5x that of countries with strong gun control.

 

[Timmy]

Then you legally murder people.

Nope then you exercise lawful lethal self-defense.

Study: Stand Your Ground law increased homicides in Florida

Data from the FBI’s Uniform Crime Reporting statistics shows that from 2005 to 2015, the violent crime rate in Florida decreased by a cumulative 34.9 percent overall.

Politifact

The question is about gun homicides . Actually, it should be “gun deaths” since stand your ground makes the shooting legal .

 

[TNHarley]

As long as it isnt impeding on someone else, what should they do about it?
Does the Constitution mean things it doesnt actually say?
Do you think its a metaphor or something?

Is this where u are a strict constitutionalist except when you don’t want to?

Strictly reading the 2nd it means we need an armed people for the army . Of course we have a standing army now . You could easily say only guard/military members have a right to own guns .

Terminology has changed
The documents intent hasnt
You have to do better than this if you want to argue with me, timmy

Technology has changed also. The “arms” today are much more powerful.

So? What does that have to do with the second amendment?

It has to do with the “what the founders think “ card .

So you can prove the founders thought that as time went on, our rights depleted?
Does that apply to all amendments? Do we not have a freedom of speech when it comes to internet? Texts? Phone calls in general?
What about religions that started AFTER the signing?
As i said earlier, you will have to try harder.

 

[OODA_Loop]

More guns always does.

 

[Brain357]

Read more here (I need to credit where I read it)

Ace of Spades HQ

Ninth Circuit Appeals Court: If Hawaii Restricts Citizens' Ability to Carry Concealed, Then There Must Be An Absolute Right to OpenCarry
—Ace of Spades
Huge ruling.

Hawaii sharply limits who can carry concealed -- basically, only people who have jobs in security and law enforcement can carry concealed.

The Ninth Circuit -- not the whole Ninth Circuit, which is a leftwing clownshow, but two of the three judges selected randomly to review the lower court's ruling here -- rules that people have the right to carry firearms (quoting the Supreme Court's MacDonald decision), and if the right to carry concealed is restricted by a state, that must mean that the other method of carrying, open carry, is absolute.

The court rules that the "right to keep and bear arms" is actually two rights: to "keep" arms is about storing arms on physical property, but to bear arms is to carry arms on one's person.

And it rules that Hawaii may not leave citizens with no way of exercising this latter right.

WINNER!!!

People being able to defend themselves... bad news for criminals/leftists.

Funny. With all our guns our homicide rate is 4-5x that of countries with strong gun control.

Freedom isnt free.
If it was, it would always be available.

Lots of free countries have fewer guns and lower homicide rates.

 

[Brain357]

Then you legally murder people.

Nope then you exercise lawful lethal self-defense.

Study: Stand Your Ground law increased homicides in Florida

Data from the FBI’s Uniform Crime Reporting statistics shows that from 2005 to 2015, the violent crime rate in Florida decreased by a cumulative 34.9 percent overall.

Politifact

Link?

 

[TNHarley]

Read more here (I need to credit where I read it)

Ace of Spades HQ

Ninth Circuit Appeals Court: If Hawaii Restricts Citizens' Ability to Carry Concealed, Then There Must Be An Absolute Right to OpenCarry
—Ace of Spades
Huge ruling.

Hawaii sharply limits who can carry concealed -- basically, only people who have jobs in security and law enforcement can carry concealed.

The Ninth Circuit -- not the whole Ninth Circuit, which is a leftwing clownshow, but two of the three judges selected randomly to review the lower court's ruling here -- rules that people have the right to carry firearms (quoting the Supreme Court's MacDonald decision), and if the right to carry concealed is restricted by a state, that must mean that the other method of carrying, open carry, is absolute.

The court rules that the "right to keep and bear arms" is actually two rights: to "keep" arms is about storing arms on physical property, but to bear arms is to carry arms on one's person.

And it rules that Hawaii may not leave citizens with no way of exercising this latter right.

WINNER!!!

People being able to defend themselves... bad news for criminals/leftists.

Funny. With all our guns our homicide rate is 4-5x that of countries with strong gun control.

Freedom isnt free.
If it was, it would always be available.

Lots of free countries have fewer guns and lower homicide rates.

And they dont have the freedom to own badass weapons.
I would rather stay here.
Why dont you move there instead of trying to change my culture and shit on my constitution?

 

[Brain357]

More guns always does.

I see the homicide rates goes down after we got background checks.