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Or your typical rightist hack.
But agreed: however one wishes to label Nazism, it can never be perceived as left.
If you tell a lie big enough and keep repeating it, people will eventually come to believe it. The lie can be maintained only for such time as the State can shield the people from the political, economic and/or military consequences of the lie. It thus becomes vitally important for the State to use all of its powers to repress dissent, for the truth is the mortal enemy of the lie, and thus by extension, the truth is the greatest enemy of the State.
Please. Find ONE liberal American who idolizes Hitler.
Thank you.
Social conservatismThe nazis of old and new are right wing, white and christian.
They certainly embrace many ultra right ideas, no doubt. On the other hand, I think what others are trying to say is that Nazis also embraced ideas that are thought of as left wing. Hitler himself detested capitalism and preferred state controlled socialism. He once said:
"We are socialists, we are enemies of today's capitalistic economic system for the exploitation of the economically weak, with its unfair salaries, with its unseemly evaluation of a human being according to wealth and property instead of responsibility and performance, and we are determined to destroy this system under all conditions."
That is but one example of Nazi ideology that one can't seriously call right wing. I think the point is that the Nazis embraced several ideas, some of which can be called right, others left...and all of which I personally detest.
But like I stated before, I don't care how you categorize them as I stand against all central planners regardless of their political leanings.
The Nazis (National Socialists) promoted a socially conservative view of all aspects of life, supported by harsh discipline and a militaristic point of view.
Extreme homophobia leading to the systematic persecution of homosexuals.
Persecution of "degenerate art".
Strong rejection of premarital sex, prostitution, pornography and "sexual vice". Smoking, drinking and use of cosmetics were discouraged.
Anti-intellectualism.[15]
Reivindication of a glorious past as the key to a glorious future.
Adolf Hitler's political views - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia
Please. Find ONE liberal American who idolizes Hitler.
Thank you.
Please. Find ONE liberal American who idolizes Hitler.
Thank you.
Please. Find ONE liberal American who idolizes Hitler.
Thank you.
Then why do you keep quoting his gun control policies?
It's a myth that conservatism isn't totalitarian.
What conservatives don't like is the constitution protecting things like Minority rights..that's why they oppose it here.
They want little tribes that are able to kick out who they don't like or enslave them without the worry of "rights" and stuff.
Conservatives are very pro big government when it does things they like. Like install a President that lost the popular vote. Or tell a state they can't outlaw guns.
If this country were like a Christian Saudi Arabia..you'd folks would just love it.
It's a myth that liberals are educated.
They're actually brainwashed.
Having a sense of morality doesn't mean you desire to force your will on others, some people do and they're assholes none of us like.
I personally encourage abortion, since conservatives generally don't have them, liberals do. I want less liberals, they're promoting my agenda free of charge.
I don't care if butt pirates get married. They can do what they like. Yet it seems like most people, at least in California opposed it enough to vote against it, so in order to thwart the will of the people, liberals promote their own sense of morality through the courts.
Funny thing about moonbats and islam. The bed wetters insist islam is a peaceful religion and the ACLU goes out of it's way to appease them. Liberal politicians pander to them, meanwhile ignoring Saudi Arabia.
Funny thing too, there are countries in europe dominated by none other than white Christians, yet there's no stoning of gays, female circumsision, or burquas.
Seems to me you're projecting.
I'll say it again. How does a gaggle of modern American trailer trash make the Nazi Party of 1920's German "right wing"? Did they go back in time and convince hitler to embrace a free market economy at the last minute or something?
What the heck are you talking about.
Hitler was a free market capitalist's dream. So much so, that many of the Free Market Capitalists here took a shine to him, like Henry Ford and Prescott Bush.
What was not to love? The state was shoveling money into the coffers of private industry, they were ramping up for war (Another big Free Market and Conservative plus) and they were supplying slave labor.
Heck..what's changed about Free Market Capitalists? That's sort what they've been doing in the good ol' US of A for the last 15 years or so.
In a free market, the government does not shovel money into the coffers of private industry. That's the kind thing liberals like Obama do. The free market certainly doesn't endorse slave labor.
You've already contradicted yourself.
Stalin and Mao were mass murderers, does that disqualify them as Leftists, because you know, Leftists are like compassionate and have Empathy?
A rare long post that I actually read all of. I may check that place out some time if I feel the whim but I'm sure it would just bring down my mood.
Good to know about 88. A former coworker's husband had an 8 ball with 88 on it in place of the 8. I wonder...
I thought most people knew that. It's right along there with the double lightning bolts... which stands for SS.
I have frequently challenged those who have been brainwashed with the “Nazis are left wing” meme to visit some real Nazis on Stormfront for a while. None have ever taken me up on it.
But for those who are curious about Nazis and might like to visit them, here are a few things you need to know to better understand them. This will save you some time and embarrassment. Like all societies, they have their own language and neologism.
It has been awhile since I have dealt directly with Nazis online or in real life, so some of the rules and operating procedures of the Stormfront forum may be different than my last visit.
First, if you are opposed to Nazis, then you are an “anti”. Antis are forbidden to post wherever they choose. They are relegated to one subforum. You can read the other forums, but cannot post there. But don’t worry. Plenty of them will flock to you to pick you apart in the anti forum.
There is also a beginning period where every post you make has to be reviewed by an Admin before it will appear on the forum. This is extremely annoying, especially if several Nazis are piling on in a topic and you cannot reply instantly.
After about 50 posts, you can make an appeal to have this handicap removed. If you have behaved yourself, some Nazis will even vouch for you.
But you will always be restricted to the anti forum. Sorry, if you are wishing to wax on about the beauty of the Aryan race in the poetry section, you will just have to miss out. But you can read it, and that shit is some really funny stuff. I recommended taking a peek.
All right. Moving on.
Anyone who is not white is a mud person. However, there is a pecking order. Nazis hate some mud people more than others. Jews are at the top of the hate list, of course, although negroes are for others. Asians are disliked, but not hated anywhere near as much as negroes, Jews, and Hispanics.
Speaking of Jews, Nazis hate Jews. That goes without saying. However, many of them actually admire (are jealous of) Israel because Israel is a Jewish State. And the Nazis are all about each race getting their own racially pure states.
Which is why you will hear them refer to themselves as “White Nationalists”. The Nazis never call themselves Nazis. There are many reasons for this, but mostly having to do with the fact that Stormfront is an international forum and the use of “Nazi” is not allowed in some countries. The guy you are talking to may have a gigantic Nazi tattoo, but he will deny being a Nazi. It’s complicated.
Some will deny they are Nazis, but they will go on and on about how great a guy Hitler was, and they will deny the Holocaust. And the color scheme of the forum is right out of Hitler’s playbook. The avatars some choose are also obvious.
And then there are the puerile little things they do which they think are clever. Like “88” tattoos, for example. The letter H is the eighth letter of the alphabet, see. HH, get it? 88 = Heil Hitler.
Some also like to wear black combat boots with red laces. And listen to specific hard metal bands rife with Nazi symbolism.
Another favorite is the expression “Fourteen Words”: "We must secure the existence of our people and a future for White Children."
So, yeah. They’re Nazis. And they are more than happy to tell you about National
Socialism. A strong centralized government is not exclusive to the extremes of the left.
Well, some of them are smart enough to explain National Socialism. The vast majority are dumb as rocks, but there are a few clever ones. Don’t underestimate them.
But most of the topics are the same, year after year. The low scores black get on IQ tests; communism was invented by Jews; the correlation between the percentage of blacks and the crime rate; name two black countries which aren’t a total clusterfuck (hint: they used to ask for just one!
And of course, every media report of a non-white behaving badly is fed into their gigantic Confirmation Bias Machine.
I recommend informing yourself about the Frankfurt School’s brand of Marxism. This is where they will try to pigeonhole you if you claim to be a conservative.
The Nazi rhetoric about the Frankfurt School has leaked into the modern right wing conservative rhetoric many times in recent years. You have heard the battle against the left wing's "cultural marxism" which was born in the Frankfurt School watered down into a “culture war”. In the "culture war", you're either fer us or agin us.
If you hang around Nazis long enough, you will hear jackboots in your head day and night. But it is worth it. Because you will acquire a Nazi detector that will be very reliable. And you will be amazed at how much of their rhetoric is bleeding over into modern day right wing rhetoric. It will astonish you.
If you are a conservative (as I am), and make a case that you are right wing, the Nazis will quickly correct you. THEY are the true right wingers. YOU are a “cultural Marxist” because you believe in the equality of all races. They will find evidence to disprove any current right wing hero is right wing. Sarah Palin? Not a real right winger. Fox News? No effing way they are conservative.
See, when you are that far right, everyone else looks like a left winger.
The longer you spend there, the more they will make guesses at your ethnicity. You will be called a Jew AND a black at least ten times in a month.
They call themselves “WNs”. White Nationalists. They want a White Nation. Several, actually. North America and Europe, at the very least.
There are several flavors of WN.
One type of WN cannot wait for RAHOWA. Racial Holy War. The forum admins are very careful about allowing open talk about racial holy war. They also strictly forbid any discussion of a religious nature. But there are some Christian Identity types in this crowd. The RAHOWA types can’t wait to start shooting mud people.
Oh, the WNs loooooooove their guns. There’s a whole section just for showing them off and talking about all the weapons they claim to possess.
Another type of WN is one which believes all the white race traitors are going to wake up any day now and realize it is high time to start cleaning up America and toss out these cursed mud people. They though the election of Obama would do the trick. Since every black run city in America is a disaster, Obama would do the same to America and all us white people would finally rise up and make this country a White Nation.
These are the optimistic WNs.
The pessimistic WNs believe the white race is doomed. We’re done for. The mud people are going to wipe us out by attrition. Breeding like rabbits while we just roll over and make ourselves extinct.
The admins keep a very tight lid on violent language. They are paranoid, maybe justifiably so, they are always being watched by the government and that the government is just looking for an excuse to shut them down.
As a result, the WNs have learned to communicate hate and violence without being overt about it. But they are seething with it. You will pick that up very quickly.
No name calling is allowed. They especially monitor “antis” very closely. The debate field is extremely unlevel. You are not allowed to lose your temper or call anyone names. You must remain level-headed at all times, and this is the most valuable thing you will gain from visiting there.
If you defeat them repeatedly in debate, they will become very upset and work very hard to get you booted off the forum.
A favorite tactic of WNs is to plagiarize the crap out of another web site and post the text as their own original thoughts. They also like to change some of the words in the original text in order to make it fit into their twisted belief system.
If you do register on Stormfront, don’t use a username you use anywhere else. This is common sense, but sometimes you have to state the obvious to the oblivious.
So there you go! Enjoy your visit. It is an educational experience.
None of that proves that the Stormfront Nazis are big proponents of capitalism. If they believe in socialism, they are left wingers, regardless of their racism. Furthermore, at this point we have no idea whether the economic views of the Stormfront Nazis are similar to the views of German Nazis in 1933.
In short, your post proves nothing.
What the heck are you talking about.
Hitler was a free market capitalist's dream. So much so, that many of the Free Market Capitalists here took a shine to him, like Henry Ford and Prescott Bush.
What was not to love? The state was shoveling money into the coffers of private industry, they were ramping up for war (Another big Free Market and Conservative plus) and they were supplying slave labor.
Heck..what's changed about Free Market Capitalists? That's sort what they've been doing in the good ol' US of A for the last 15 years or so.
In a free market, the government does not shovel money into the coffers of private industry. That's the kind thing liberals like Obama do. The free market certainly doesn't endorse slave labor.
You've already contradicted yourself.
You're delusional.
Sure it does. And Free Markets began as "liberal" idea..
And Obama's a "Free Marketeer" despite what you folks paint him as..
Name one Free Market Economy that didn't shovel money into the coffers of Private industry?
And the Free Market most certainly endorses slavery. Some of our own companies use slaves. Even today.
Like Nestle's and the American Diamond Industry.
Gotta love it.
This is the third or fourth thread I seen over the past few day's with the Hitler is right wing Hitler is left wing theme to it. Why this sudden obsession with trying to compare Hitler and the Nazis with the right and left of Today? Does no one see how sick that is?
This is the third or fourth thread I seen over the past few day's with the Hitler is right wing Hitler is left wing theme to it. Why this sudden obsession with trying to compare Hitler and the Nazis with the right and left of Today? Does no one see how sick that is?
If I'm not mistaken, I don't see people saying that Hitler was the same type of right wing as todays conservatives. I see them saying(and I say) that Hitler was merely right wing.
On the contrary, that doesn't seem to be the case for people saying that Hitler is left wing. Hitler was apparently left wing AND exactly the type of left wing that we all are today. Ooookay.
You know, I have no problem with bad people being associated in my area of the political spectrum. I don't deny, for instance, that Stalin and Mao were leftists. They were TOTALLY different types of leftists than I am however, and that most all leftists in America and Europe today. I would be delusional to pretend that those evil assholes weren't leftists.
So why do people have such a big fucking problem that Hitler is considered right wing by all the world's leading scholars? It's not a reflection on you... unless people say it is... and as far as I've been able to see for the most part we're not saying that. The right certainly is saying that about us though.
This is the third or fourth thread I seen over the past few day's with the Hitler is right wing Hitler is left wing theme to it. Why this sudden obsession with trying to compare Hitler and the Nazis with the right and left of Today? Does no one see how sick that is?
If I'm not mistaken, I don't see people saying that Hitler was the same type of right wing as todays conservatives. I see them saying(and I say) that Hitler was merely right wing.
On the contrary, that doesn't seem to be the case for people saying that Hitler is left wing. Hitler was apparently left wing AND exactly the type of left wing that we all are today. Ooookay.
You know, I have no problem with bad people being associated in my area of the political spectrum. I don't deny, for instance, that Stalin and Mao were leftists. They were TOTALLY different types of leftists than I am however, and that most all leftists in America and Europe today. I would be delusional to pretend that those evil assholes weren't leftists.
So why do people have such a big fucking problem that Hitler is considered right wing by all the world's leading scholars? It's not a reflection on you... unless people say it is... and as far as I've been able to see for the most part we're not saying that. The right certainly is saying that about us though.
This is the third or fourth thread I seen over the past few day's with the Hitler is right wing Hitler is left wing theme to it. Why this sudden obsession with trying to compare Hitler and the Nazis with the right and left of Today? Does no one see how sick that is?
If I'm not mistaken, I don't see people saying that Hitler was the same type of right wing as todays conservatives. I see them saying(and I say) that Hitler was merely right wing.
On the contrary, that doesn't seem to be the case for people saying that Hitler is left wing. Hitler was apparently left wing AND exactly the type of left wing that we all are today. Ooookay.
You know, I have no problem with bad people being associated in my area of the political spectrum. I don't deny, for instance, that Stalin and Mao were leftists. They were TOTALLY different types of leftists than I am however, and that most all leftists in America and Europe today. I would be delusional to pretend that those evil assholes weren't leftists.
So why do people have such a big fucking problem that Hitler is considered right wing by all the world's leading scholars? It's not a reflection on you... unless people say it is... and as far as I've been able to see for the most part we're not saying that. The right certainly is saying that about us though.
