Another empty threat?

[Harpy Eagle]

You mean IDs and such... lol
You do realize that’s not politically correct to require identification?

i have not idea what you are babbling about.

 

[Rustic]

You mean IDs and such... lol
You do realize that’s not politically correct to require identification?

i have not idea what you are babbling about.

Of course you don’t, You being politically correct reality escapes you

 

[Harpy Eagle]

You mean IDs and such... lol
You do realize that’s not politically correct to require identification?

i have not idea what you are babbling about.

Of course you don’t, You being politically correct reality escapes you

yes, you are correct, being politically correct escapes me, I have never understood it

 

[Rustic]

You mean IDs and such... lol
You do realize that’s not politically correct to require identification?

i have not idea what you are babbling about.

Of course you don’t, You being politically correct reality escapes you

yes, you are correct, being politically correct escapes me, I have never understood it

Lol
You’re one of the most politically correct people on this message board

 

[Harpy Eagle]

You mean IDs and such... lol
You do realize that’s not politically correct to require identification?

i have not idea what you are babbling about.

Of course you don’t, You being politically correct reality escapes you

yes, you are correct, being politically correct escapes me, I have never understood it

Lol
You’re one of the most politically correct people on this message board

you are so damn cute when you say dumb shit like this.

of course you could not give a single example of me being so, but that will not stop you

 

[Rustic]

You mean IDs and such... lol
You do realize that’s not politically correct to require identification?

i have not idea what you are babbling about.

Of course you don’t, You being politically correct reality escapes you

yes, you are correct, being politically correct escapes me, I have never understood it

Lol
You’re one of the most politically correct people on this message board

you are so damn cute when you say dumb shit like this.

of course you could not give a single example of me being so, but that will not stop you

 

[Rustic]

 

[Ray From Cleveland]

Comrade, how should we deal with the assault on our southern border by your party and the foreign allies you have in the attack you are waging on America?

Thanks for asking, here is the plan I have put forth on this forum many times. It is a 3 step plan.

1. Pull at least 50% of the troops from Europe and station them on the border allowing them to defend this great nation for a change.

2. Go after the people that hire illegals, and go after them hard. Fines so high that businesses go out under and jail time for those caught doing it.

3. Create a true guest worker program so that those industries that need the labor can get it legally.

Do those 3 things and the illegal immigrant problem will be solved.

I like my plan better. Being here illegally is a first degree felony carrying a minimum of five years in prison. That takes care of every sector of the problem. It takes care of the people who have been here for a very long time, VISA overstays, asylum seekers that didn't attend court and became illegal, and of course, people thinking about coming here illegally.

Great plan, now how much are you willing to have your taxes raised to build the prisons and hire the people to run them and maintain them?

Given the fact we spend over 100 billion a year now on illegals, I think we can use a fraction of that money for prisons. Besides, most people would sooner leave than be locked up in a cage. There won't be that many prisoners to begin with.

You cannot let them leave. They must be incarcerated, how else will they be taught a lesson?
And by the way the companies that hire them must be rewarded with more tax incentives. How else can they stay in business.

Not at all. After the law is passed, give them more than ample time to leave the country. If the law was passed this weekend, give them until June 1 to be the hell out of here. We wouldn't want to flood our borders with people trying to leave. It would take some of them time to figure out where they would go after leaving.

 

[Ray From Cleveland]

... the people paying them are every bit as guilty as those coming here.

Why? Are you culpable for the crimes of anyone you pay for a service? Seriously??

if I know they are committing the crime and keep paying them for doing so...then yes

And if they don't know? Should you be responsible for investigating the legality of everyone you do business with?

I should you be responsible for confirming the legality of everyone I hire and give a wage to.

My 16 year old just got a job, guess what he had to prove his legality before they would hire him...just crazy in your world I guess

How does your average citizen go about proving if somebody is legal or not? I'm a landlord and I would have no idea where to start if a foreigner applied for one of my apartments.

 

[Ray From Cleveland]

Trump was just asked by media in Florida about the military build up and he told them he will close the border Wednesday if Mexico does not take steps to stop the caravans. I think we just saw an "Awe Shit" moment in the press when they realized he is no longer playing the democrats game. PERIOD!

And we got our answer for the military preparedness level increase.

still waiting on a link for the military preparedness level increase, have you found one yet?

So, Trump has drawn the line in the sand, lets see if he has the balls to cost the economy a billion dollars a day

He could. They said the same thing about his trade war and we pretty much won that.

The real question is whether Mexico could afford the billion dollars a day. Different story there.

 

[Harpy Eagle]

... the people paying them are every bit as guilty as those coming here.

Why? Are you culpable for the crimes of anyone you pay for a service? Seriously??

if I know they are committing the crime and keep paying them for doing so...then yes

And if they don't know? Should you be responsible for investigating the legality of everyone you do business with?

I should you be responsible for confirming the legality of everyone I hire and give a wage to.

My 16 year old just got a job, guess what he had to prove his legality before they would hire him...just crazy in your world I guess

How does your average citizen go about proving if somebody is legal or not? I'm a landlord and I would have no idea where to start if a foreigner applied for one of my apartments.

Birth Certificate

SS Card

Green Card

 

[Harpy Eagle]

Trump was just asked by media in Florida about the military build up and he told them he will close the border Wednesday if Mexico does not take steps to stop the caravans. I think we just saw an "Awe Shit" moment in the press when they realized he is no longer playing the democrats game. PERIOD!

And we got our answer for the military preparedness level increase.

still waiting on a link for the military preparedness level increase, have you found one yet?

So, Trump has drawn the line in the sand, lets see if he has the balls to cost the economy a billion dollars a day

He could. They said the same thing about his trade war and we pretty much won that.

The real question is whether Mexico could afford the billion dollars a day. Different story there.

We have won the trade war?

damn it, you just made me spit coffee all over my monitor!

the only "success" of the trade war is a new NAFTA where the biggest change was the name

 

[Ray From Cleveland]

WTF does Iraq have to do with this discussion?

Well, the last time Republicans started calling something a war that wasn't actually a war (The War on Terror!!!!), Iraq was the scapegoat. Who will it be this time? If we're being invaded we should attack and kill all the "invaders" immediately. So, who we gonna attack?

And that might be the case if it were not illegal and you end up in prison. If it were legal to shoot the invaders, that would have solved the problem many years ago.

It's illegal to shoot invaders? Which law makes that illegal? I've never heard of such a thing.

What makes it illegal? It's called murder and it's against the law in this country. You can shoot somebody in self-defense, but you can't shoot somebody because they came into the country illegally.

 

[Uncensored2008]

Why? Are you culpable for the crimes of anyone you pay for a service? Seriously??

if I know they are committing the crime and keep paying them for doing so...then yes

And if they don't know? Should you be responsible for investigating the legality of everyone you do business with?

I should you be responsible for confirming the legality of everyone I hire and give a wage to.

My 16 year old just got a job, guess what he had to prove his legality before they would hire him...just crazy in your world I guess

How does your average citizen go about proving if somebody is legal or not? I'm a landlord and I would have no idea where to start if a foreigner applied for one of my apartments.

Birth Certificate

SS Card

Green Card

Zat rite?

{
SALEM, Ore. (AP) — Located in an apartment in a primarily Hispanic town in Oregon, a clandestine lab churned out thousands of fake Social Security cards, drivers' licenses and immigration documents that were sold around the United States for years.

The operation, revealed for the first time Tuesday in a federal court document, showed that a syndicate based in Oaxaca, Mexico, operated the forged-document factory in Woodburn, a town of 24,000 in an agricultural region a half-hour's drive from Portland.

Employers, including farms, nurseries and wineries, routinely employ people who are in the United States illegally but who can produce a Social Security card or work visa. Many agricultural employers say it's not their responsibility — and that they lack the expertise — to determine if the documents are genuine.

The arrest on Sept. 21, 2017, of Miguel Merecias-Lopez in a fast-food restaurant parking lot in Woodburn reveals how, in many cases, such documents are produced. Merecias-Lopez pleaded guilty Tuesday in federal court in Portland to conspiracy to produce false identification documents and possession with intent to distribute methamphetamine. He had gone to the parking lot to sell more than a kilogram (2.2 pounds) of meth, prosecutors said.
}

https://www.usnews.com/news/best-st...operation-produced-over-10-000-fake-documents

 

[Ray From Cleveland]

No, that is not the only reason they come here.

It's estimated that we currently have 20 million illegals living in this country. Do you mean to tell me that you believe we have 20 million illegals working in the United States?

Yes, they come here for jobs, but they also come for a variety of reasons. Again, Google Birther Tourism. They come here for our social programs mainly. That's why over half of the legal immigrants living in this country are on some sort of welfare program(s).

The jobs are what started the ball rolling, and it is also why it was ignored for decades, big business loved the cheap labor, people loved their cheap produce.

the people paying them are every bit as guilty as those coming here.

No, that's like saying the drug addicts are just as responsible for the drug dealers themselves. The law nor courts see it that way.

 

[Harpy Eagle]

No, that is not the only reason they come here.

It's estimated that we currently have 20 million illegals living in this country. Do you mean to tell me that you believe we have 20 million illegals working in the United States?

Yes, they come here for jobs, but they also come for a variety of reasons. Again, Google Birther Tourism. They come here for our social programs mainly. That's why over half of the legal immigrants living in this country are on some sort of welfare program(s).

The jobs are what started the ball rolling, and it is also why it was ignored for decades, big business loved the cheap labor, people loved their cheap produce.

the people paying them are every bit as guilty as those coming here.

No, that's like saying the drug addicts are just as responsible for the drug dealers themselves. The law nor courts see it that way.

I have no problem saying that. Dealers do not force anyone to buy their drugs.

 

[Uncensored2008]

Trump was just asked by media in Florida about the military build up and he told them he will close the border Wednesday if Mexico does not take steps to stop the caravans. I think we just saw an "Awe Shit" moment in the press when they realized he is no longer playing the democrats game. PERIOD!

And we got our answer for the military preparedness level increase.

still waiting on a link for the military preparedness level increase, have you found one yet?

So, Trump has drawn the line in the sand, lets see if he has the balls to cost the economy a billion dollars a day

He could. They said the same thing about his trade war and we pretty much won that.

The real question is whether Mexico could afford the billion dollars a day. Different story there.

We have won the trade war?

damn it, you just made me spit coffee all over my monitor!

the only "success" of the trade war is a new NAFTA where the biggest change was the name

You sure lie a lot, even for a Commie..

{
First, auto companies must manufacture at least 75 percent of the car's components in Canada, Mexico, or the United States. It was 62.5 percent previously. At least 30 percent of the car must be made by workers earning at least $16 an hour. That increases to 40 percent in 2023. That's three times what the average Mexican auto worker makes. Autos that don't meet these requirements will be subject to tariffs. The agreement protects Mexico and Canada from any future U.S. auto tariffs.


These changes should create more U.S. jobs for autoworkers. But it could reduce U.S. jobs for cars sold to China. The higher labor costs will make them too expensive. for the Chinese market. It will also increase the price of cars sold in America. It also means some small cars will no longer be sold in North America.


Second, Canada must open up its dairy market to U.S. farmers. It will eliminate its complex pricing scheme for Class 7 products. That includes milk protein concentrate, skim milk powder, and infant formula. It also allows certain cheeses to be marketed in Mexico and the United States. It opens the wine market in British Columbia to American wine.


Third, Mexican trucks must meet U.S. safety standards before crossing the border. That was a win for Mexico. It was promised in the first NAFTA agreement but withdrawn by the U.S. Congress. Mexico must also allow its workers to form unions.


Fourth, the new agreement provides more protection for patents and trademarks. This adopts many of the intellectual property rights negotiated in the Trans-Pacific Partnership abandoned by Trump.


Fifth, U.S. drug companies can sell products in Canada for 10 years before facing generic competition. It was eight years under NAFTA.


Sixth, companies can no longer use Chapter 11 to resolve disputes with governments. The only exceptions are U.S. oil companies. They are concerned Mexico may try to nationalize its oil industry again. But the Chapter 19 dispute resolution panels remain. These arbitration panels rule on whether a NAFTA country treated a partner's overseas investments unfairly. The panels make sure U.S. corporations maintain the rights protected by the U.S. Constitution.
}

6 Ways Trump Changed NAFTA

 

[Rustic]

No, that is not the only reason they come here.

It's estimated that we currently have 20 million illegals living in this country. Do you mean to tell me that you believe we have 20 million illegals working in the United States?

Yes, they come here for jobs, but they also come for a variety of reasons. Again, Google Birther Tourism. They come here for our social programs mainly. That's why over half of the legal immigrants living in this country are on some sort of welfare program(s).

The jobs are what started the ball rolling, and it is also why it was ignored for decades, big business loved the cheap labor, people loved their cheap produce.

the people paying them are every bit as guilty as those coming here.

No, that's like saying the drug addicts are just as responsible for the drug dealers themselves. The law nor courts see it that way.

I have no problem saying that. Dealers do not force anyone to buy their drugs.

Lol
And no one is forcing illegal aliens to cross the border....

 

[Harpy Eagle]

No, that is not the only reason they come here.

It's estimated that we currently have 20 million illegals living in this country. Do you mean to tell me that you believe we have 20 million illegals working in the United States?

Yes, they come here for jobs, but they also come for a variety of reasons. Again, Google Birther Tourism. They come here for our social programs mainly. That's why over half of the legal immigrants living in this country are on some sort of welfare program(s).

The jobs are what started the ball rolling, and it is also why it was ignored for decades, big business loved the cheap labor, people loved their cheap produce.

the people paying them are every bit as guilty as those coming here.

No, that's like saying the drug addicts are just as responsible for the drug dealers themselves. The law nor courts see it that way.

I have no problem saying that. Dealers do not force anyone to buy their drugs.

Lol
And no one is forcing illegal aliens to cross the border....

correct, that is why both them and the one's paying them should be held accountable.

 

[Rustic]

No, that is not the only reason they come here.

It's estimated that we currently have 20 million illegals living in this country. Do you mean to tell me that you believe we have 20 million illegals working in the United States?

Yes, they come here for jobs, but they also come for a variety of reasons. Again, Google Birther Tourism. They come here for our social programs mainly. That's why over half of the legal immigrants living in this country are on some sort of welfare program(s).

The jobs are what started the ball rolling, and it is also why it was ignored for decades, big business loved the cheap labor, people loved their cheap produce.

the people paying them are every bit as guilty as those coming here.

No, that's like saying the drug addicts are just as responsible for the drug dealers themselves. The law nor courts see it that way.

I have no problem saying that. Dealers do not force anyone to buy their drugs.

Lol
And no one is forcing illegal aliens to cross the border....

correct, that is why both them and the one's paying them should be held accountable.

Lol
you know that will never happen, Career politicians want votes, corporate America wants cheap labor, and progressives want fucked up natural law....