Anti-PC people making a mistake on the Duck Dynasty story

[beagle9]

Guess what. Yet another Duck Dynasty marathon on A&E this weekend ...

Another network that has absolutely nothing else going for it.
The thing is, none of these networks are what they say they are.

The History Channel is about Loggers, Pawn Shops and Truckers.

The Learning Channel is about Bakeries and Mail Order Brides

Arts and Entertainment is about Hillbilly Duck Hunters

The Discovery Channel is about various people living in outdoor places.

Bravo is about bitchy housewives...

The SyFy channel is about Ghost hunters and wrestlers


Seriously, this reality TV garbage has pretty much ruined basic cable.

Go tell that to the hundreds of thousands of people that watch the network. Go tell them that it has nothing going for it and they are fools for watching. Your thinking kind of puts you in a minority view doesn't it ? Hec if you could, you would love to take your minority view and ruin it for those who like what they view on that network.

This is a great example of what is going on in this nation, and has been going on in this nation, where as people like you who are in a minority in your view, want to change the nation into what you want it to be, and this no matter how many people like things just the way they are in their life in which is good for them, and that has been good for them. Of course you will tell them that they don't know what they like, so they need to come and get on your wagon, and then you will set their minds free of course. Just drink the cool aid is what you will tell them next won't you ? This is what has been happening on the social fronts in America, where as you would ask them to drink the cool aid of your thinking, and when they refused, then the government next forces them to drink it for you, and so the government took up the manipulation and intimidation fight for people like you, and they did this by way of their miss-usage of power in which they had been entrusted with. Now on the economic front, they have leaned in with the corporations over the people, and they have allowed them to create a volatile and a fragile economy through bubble making, and it has also become a major problem in this nation for a vast amount of people as well.

 

[LoneLaugher]

Guess what. Yet another Duck Dynasty marathon on A&E this weekend ...

Another network that has absolutely nothing else going for it.
The thing is, none of these networks are what they say they are.

The History Channel is about Loggers, Pawn Shops and Truckers.

The Learning Channel is about Bakeries and Mail Order Brides

Arts and Entertainment is about Hillbilly Duck Hunters

The Discovery Channel is about various people living in outdoor places.

Bravo is about bitchy housewives...

The SyFy channel is about Ghost hunters and wrestlers


Seriously, this reality TV garbage has pretty much ruined basic cable.

Go tell that to the hundreds of thousands of people that watch the network. Go tell them that it has nothing going for it and they are fools for watching. Your thinking kind of puts you in a minority view doesn't it ? Hec if you could, you would love to take your minority view and ruin it for those who like what they view on that network.

This is a great example of what is going on in this nation, and has been going on in this nation, where as people like you who are in a minority in your view, want to change the nation into what you want it to be, and this no matter how many people like things just the way they are in their life in which is good for them, and that has been good for them. Of course you will tell them that they don't know what they like, so they need to come and get on your wagon, and then you will set their minds free of course. Just drink the cool aid is what you will tell them next won't you ? This is what has been happening on the social fronts in America, where as you would ask them to drink the cool aid of your thinking, and when they refused, then the government next forces them to drink it for you, and so the government took up the manipulation and intimidation fight for people like you, and they did this by way of their miss-usage of power in which they had been entrusted with. Now on the economic front, they have leaned in with the corporations over the people, and they have allowed them to create a volatile and a fragile economy through bubble making, and it has also become a major problem in this nation for a vast amount of people as well.

Think. Breathe. Type and Punctuate. Breathe. Review. Press submit.

 

[oldfart]

I love this passage from a Wm. B. Fankboner essay:

"Spinoza said: ‘Every man is by indefeasible natural right the master of his own thoughts.’ The great fallacy of monolithic doctrines like political correctness is that they seek to eliminate an important step in human cognition: the dialogue with the self, the act of dialectical mastication that allows us to absorb and process experience, to direct and enable our own moral lives. Only in the inviolable sanctuary of the soul, in the sacred act of self-communion, can man realize his own transcendence and salvation. Politically correct speech and thought provide us with the predigested morality of self-appointed ideologues, the profane consensus of mediocre minds, in lieu of our own common sense and the collective wisdom of the ages. "

"dialectical mastication"? Is that like cognitive regurgitation? Maybe Fankboner needs to take Beano before he puts pen to paper.

 

[beagle9]

another network that has absolutely nothing else going for it.
the thing is, none of these networks are what they say they are.

The history channel is about loggers, pawn shops and truckers.

The learning channel is about bakeries and mail order brides

arts and entertainment is about hillbilly duck hunters

the discovery channel is about various people living in outdoor places.

Bravo is about bitchy housewives...

The syfy channel is about ghost hunters and wrestlers


seriously, this reality tv garbage has pretty much ruined basic cable.

go tell that to the hundreds of thousands of people that watch the network. Go tell them that it has nothing going for it and they are fools for watching. Your thinking kind of puts you in a minority view doesn't it ? Hec if you could, you would love to take your minority view and ruin it for those who like what they view on that network.

This is a great example of what is going on in this nation, and has been going on in this nation, where as people like you who are in a minority in your view, want to change the nation into what you want it to be, and this no matter how many people like things just the way they are in their life in which is good for them, and that has been good for them. Of course you will tell them that they don't know what they like, so they need to come and get on your wagon, and then you will set their minds free of course. Just drink the cool aid is what you will tell them next won't you ? This is what has been happening on the social fronts in america, where as you would ask them to drink the cool aid of your thinking, and when they refused, then the government next forces them to drink it for you, and so the government took up the manipulation and intimidation fight for people like you, and they did this by way of their miss-usage of power in which they had been entrusted with. Now on the economic front, they have leaned in with the corporations over the people, and they have allowed them to create a volatile and a fragile economy through bubble making, and it has also become a major problem in this nation for a vast amount of people as well.

think. Breathe. Type and punctuate. Breathe. Review. Press submit.

lol

 

[Samson]

Another network that has absolutely nothing else going for it.
The thing is, none of these networks are what they say they are.

The History Channel is about Loggers, Pawn Shops and Truckers.

The Learning Channel is about Bakeries and Mail Order Brides

Arts and Entertainment is about Hillbilly Duck Hunters

The Discovery Channel is about various people living in outdoor places.

Bravo is about bitchy housewives...

The SyFy channel is about Ghost hunters and wrestlers


Seriously, this reality TV garbage has pretty much ruined basic cable.

Go tell that to the hundreds of thousands of people that watch the network. Go tell them that it has nothing going for it and they are fools for watching. Your thinking kind of puts you in a minority view doesn't it ? Hec if you could, you would love to take your minority view and ruin it for those who like what they view on that network.

This is a great example of what is going on in this nation, and has been going on in this nation, where as people like you who are in a minority in your view, want to change the nation into what you want it to be, and this no matter how many people like things just the way they are in their life in which is good for them, and that has been good for them. Of course you will tell them that they don't know what they like, so they need to come and get on your wagon, and then you will set their minds free of course. Just drink the cool aid is what you will tell them next won't you ? This is what has been happening on the social fronts in America, where as you would ask them to drink the cool aid of your thinking, and when they refused, then the government next forces them to drink it for you, and so the government took up the manipulation and intimidation fight for people like you, and they did this by way of their miss-usage of power in which they had been entrusted with. Now on the economic front, they have leaned in with the corporations over the people, and they have allowed them to create a volatile and a fragile economy through bubble making, and it has also become a major problem in this nation for a vast amount of people as well.

Think. Breathe. Type and Punctuate. Breathe. Review. Press submit.

^^^^

This is a great example of what is NOT going on in this nation.

 

[Samson]

Guess what. Yet another Duck Dynasty marathon on A&E this weekend ...

Another network that has absolutely nothing else going for it.

The thing is, none of these networks are what they say they are.

The History Channel is about Loggers, Pawn Shops and Truckers.

The Learning Channel is about Bakeries and Mail Order Brides

Arts and Entertainment is about Hillbilly Duck Hunters

The Discovery Channel is about various people living in outdoor places.

Bravo is about bitchy housewives...

The SyFy channel is about Ghost hunters and wrestlers


Seriously, this reality TV garbage has pretty much ruined basic cable.

That must explain why PBS has become so spectacularly popular.......

 

[Sarah G]

Guess what. Yet another Duck Dynasty marathon on A&E this weekend ...

Another network that has absolutely nothing else going for it.

The thing is, none of these networks are what they say they are.

The History Channel is about Loggers, Pawn Shops and Truckers.

The Learning Channel is about Bakeries and Mail Order Brides

Arts and Entertainment is about Hillbilly Duck Hunters

The Discovery Channel is about various people living in outdoor places.

Bravo is about bitchy housewives...

The SyFy channel is about Ghost hunters and wrestlers


Seriously, this reality TV garbage has pretty much ruined basic cable.

I agree about the History channel but H2 has some really good programs. I recorded God vs. Satan last night but haven't watched it yet. A show called Big History is really good.

I don't know what happened to the History Channel with all of this Pawn Shop garbage. Hate it.

 

[beagle9]

Another network that has absolutely nothing else going for it.
The thing is, none of these networks are what they say they are.

The History Channel is about Loggers, Pawn Shops and Truckers.

The Learning Channel is about Bakeries and Mail Order Brides

Arts and Entertainment is about Hillbilly Duck Hunters

The Discovery Channel is about various people living in outdoor places.

Bravo is about bitchy housewives...

The SyFy channel is about Ghost hunters and wrestlers


Seriously, this reality TV garbage has pretty much ruined basic cable.

Go tell that to the hundreds of thousands of people that watch the network. Go tell them that it has nothing going for it and they are fools for watching. Your thinking kind of puts you in a minority view doesn't it ? Hec if you could, you would love to take your minority view and ruin it for those who like what they view on that network.

This is a great example of what is going on in this nation, and has been going on in this nation, where as people like you who are in a minority in your view, want to change the nation into what you want it to be, and this no matter how many people like things just the way they are in their life in which is good for them, and that has been good for them. Of course you will tell them that they don't know what they like, so they need to come and get on your wagon, and then you will set their minds free of course. Just drink the cool aid is what you will tell them next won't you ? This is what has been happening on the social fronts in America, where as you would ask them to drink the cool aid of your thinking, and when they refused, then the government next forces them to drink it for you, and so the government took up the manipulation and intimidation fight for people like you, and they did this by way of their miss-usage of power in which they had been entrusted with. Now on the economic front, they have leaned in with the corporations over the people, and they have allowed them to create a volatile and a fragile economy through bubble making, and it has also become a major problem in this nation for a vast amount of people as well.

Think. Breathe. Type and Punctuate. Breathe. Review. Press submit.

This a little better ?

This is a great example of what is going on in this nation, and has been going on in this nation for quite sometime now. It's people like you who are in a minority view, and yet you want to change the nation into what you want it to be, and this no matter how many people like things just the way they are in their life. Of course you will tell them that they don't know what they like, so they need to come and get on your wagon. Then you will set their minds free of course. Just drink the Cool-Aid is what you will tell them next won't you ? This is what has been happening on the social fronts in America, where as you would ask them to drink the Cool-Aid of your thinking, and when they refuse, well then the government next forces them to drink it for you.

The government then takes up the manipulation and intimidation fight for people like you, and they do this by way of their miss-use of power in which they had been entrusted with. Now on the economic front, they have leaned in with the corporations over the people also, and they have allowed them to create a volatile and a fragile economy through bubble making, and it has also become a major problem in this nation for a vast amount of people as well.

 

[Samson]

Go tell that to the hundreds of thousands of people that watch the network. Go tell them that it has nothing going for it and they are fools for watching. Your thinking kind of puts you in a minority view doesn't it ? Hec if you could, you would love to take your minority view and ruin it for those who like what they view on that network.

This is a great example of what is going on in this nation, and has been going on in this nation, where as people like you who are in a minority in your view, want to change the nation into what you want it to be, and this no matter how many people like things just the way they are in their life in which is good for them, and that has been good for them. Of course you will tell them that they don't know what they like, so they need to come and get on your wagon, and then you will set their minds free of course. Just drink the cool aid is what you will tell them next won't you ? This is what has been happening on the social fronts in America, where as you would ask them to drink the cool aid of your thinking, and when they refused, then the government next forces them to drink it for you, and so the government took up the manipulation and intimidation fight for people like you, and they did this by way of their miss-usage of power in which they had been entrusted with. Now on the economic front, they have leaned in with the corporations over the people, and they have allowed them to create a volatile and a fragile economy through bubble making, and it has also become a major problem in this nation for a vast amount of people as well.

Think. Breathe. Type and Punctuate. Breathe. Review. Press submit.

This a little better ?

This is a great example of what is going on in this nation, and has been going on in this nation for quite sometime now. It's people like you who are in a minority view, and yet you want to change the nation into what you want it to be, and this no matter how many people like things just the way they are in their life. Of course you will tell them that they don't know what they like, so they need to come and get on your wagon. Then you will set their minds free of course. Just drink the Cool-Aid is what you will tell them next won't you ? This is what has been happening on the social fronts in America, where as you would ask them to drink the Cool-Aid of your thinking, and when they refuse, well then the government next forces them to drink it for you.

The government then takes up the manipulation and intimidation fight for people like you, and they do this by way of their miss-use of power in which they had been entrusted with. Now on the economic front, they have leaned in with the corporations over the people also, and they have allowed them to create a volatile and a fragile economy through bubble making, and it has also become a major problem in this nation for a vast amount of people as well.

No, it is not better.

However your repetitive inductive logic is a great example of what is wrong with this nation.

 

[Gadawg73]

If you do not like what a private company legally does to an employee then do not give that company any of your business.
Called the American way.
And of course JUST LIKE I STATED Robertson is back.
This is way too easy.

Wham it zero on set, EP team on the ready, KO team on the squares and 4th string D to group.

 

[Dragonlady]

Are you preaching to me about marriage ? I have been married for a long, long, time, and I have been faithful through the thick and the thin. I grew up in a time where the nation was more in tune with traditional marriage, but slowly that changed into what you are trying so desperately to defend now, and it didn't change willingly, but instead it was forced to change by outside forces that became either hostile towards it or was influential by way of Hollywood and the government who has duped this nation into believing in fairytales. Outside forces had absolutely nothing to do with any of this you say ? Well how do you think that this nation has changed over the years then, and has it been a change for the better or for the worse in your opinion ? Tell the truth now...Hell you won't tell the truth, because you live in a fantasy land, and you will justify anything probably, even if it means assigning words or meanings to things that people did not say or rather you reinterpret them to say. You do this in order to try and make it look as if they said something that meant one thing according to you, even though they meant something else according to them. Actually your ilk is way worse than any Phil Robertson in this nation could ever be, and that is why we are where we are at right now in all of this to date. Actually you are one of those outsider advocates trying to work to change the meaning of things in which people don't want changed in their lives, I mean just listen to your own self in these post that you write.

Divorce rates have been climbing dramatically over the past 150 years and it has nothing to do with Hollywood and more to do with longer life expectancy, mobility, and increased levels of education and opportunity for the general public. The wealthy, who had more income and opportunities than the rest of us, have always had higher rates of divorce than the poor.

In 1867 - the first year for which divorce statistics were available, the divorce rate was 3%. Most people lived in rural communities and spent their entire lives in the general area of where they were born. A person's life expectancy was less than 50 years. The economy was based on agriculture and most people did hard physical work on their farms from dawn until dusk. People had neither the time nor the energy for recreation or dissatisfaction with their situations.

What you seem to be missing is that as life in North America changed, the divorce rate steadily increased. By 1900 it had more than doubled to 7%. At that point in history, there was no Hollywood, no mass media, and yet the divorce rate climbed. By 1925, it had more than doubled again, to 25%. Newspapers of the day decried the loose morals of the age - jazz and liquor. I would say that automobiles, electricity, the telephone and public education had a lot more to do with the climbing divorce rate than jazz and liquor.

People had more options. The cheap availability of cars made it easier to travel and broaden one's horizons. Public education meant that more people could read and learn about other places, other ways of life, and other opportunities. Electricity gave rise to leisure time. People didn't go to bed when it got dark, they simply turned on the lights. Life expectancy had now increased by nearly 10 years.

Throughout the Great Depression, the divorce rate stabilized. People simply couldn't afford to divorce, but as the unemployment rate dropped, the rate of divorce increased.

The biggest factor to change marriage in the 20th century was not Hollywood, it was World War II. Men went off to war, leaving their wives at home to take care of things by themselves, and women got a taste of independence and responsibility that they had never known before. Factories and armaments manufacturers needed workers to build the tools of war, and with every able-bodied man signing up to fight the war, women were encouraged to work and contribute to the war effort. Placed in a position of making their own money, their own decisions and being head of the household, women loved the freedom and independence.

When the war ended, women were expected to return to their homes and their subserviant roles as wives and mothers. Many chafed at their loss of freedom and independence. They found their traditional role and lack of control demeaning and stifling, and yearned for respect and independence. Men could be whatever they chose to be. Women could be wives and mothers. The divorce rate in 1946 - the year that men came home from the war in large numbers, was 46%.

During the post-war years, the rate of divorce declined to around 25% where it stayed throughout the 1950's as the the Baby Boomers were born, raised and grew up, as the most highly educated group of people in world history. People were expected to get a good education and good jobs. But with their children safely in high school and post secondary schools, the women who had first achieved a measure of freedom and independence in WWII, began to get restless and the women's movement was born and the divorce rate once again, began to rise.

Your desire for a traditional form of marriage leads me to believe that you are an older man. No woman longs for the good old days because for women, they weren't that good. Men could chose their path in life. Women were expected to support that choice and be a good wife and mother, regardless of their talents, abilities or intellect. When their children left home, they had no role, no purpose and were often adrift.

Modern appliances and conveniences had reduced or eliminated the drudge work in maintaining a home. Laundry no longer took all day, nor was it a physically arduous job. Supermarkets meant that women didn't have to maintain a kitchen garden, nor did they can or preserve summer's bounty for winter. They didn't sew their own clothes or knit their own sweaters. Women had a lot more time on their hands and little to do with it. They longed for a life of their own, jobs - a purpose. With 25% of marriages ending in divorce, many women were left by husbands who had moved on to a younger prettier, "trophy wife", and the first wife was left with no job, no marketable skills, dependent on alimony or social services to provide for her and her children. Few men honoured those obligations.

Hollywood has reflected the changing social landscape, it has never lead it. In the 1950's, it reflected a traditional family with men as the wise, all-knowing head of the house. Women were loving and supportive. As kids, we used to laugh at the families in Leave it to Beaver or Father Knows Best. No mother I knew wore pearls and a dress to vaccuum the living room like Mrs. Cleaver.

I say again, if the mythical "traditional family" you yearn for really was the bedrock foundation of American society, it would not be so fragile. Society has changed since the 1860's. Our life expectancy has doubled. The skills women needed to cook, clean, make a home, and feed and clothe their families in the 1800's are no longer needed since everything we need for our homes can be purchased at Walmart. Planes, trains and automobiles have opened up the world. Electricity, modern appliances, and the vast array of consumer goods available, have changed society, not Hollywood.

What conservatives like you want, is the Hollywood myth of traditional marriage, not the reality of what my mother and your mother actually lived.

 

[Gadawg73]

Are you preaching to me about marriage ? I have been married for a long, long, time, and I have been faithful through the thick and the thin. I grew up in a time where the nation was more in tune with traditional marriage, but slowly that changed into what you are trying so desperately to defend now, and it didn't change willingly, but instead it was forced to change by outside forces that became either hostile towards it or was influential by way of Hollywood and the government who has duped this nation into believing in fairytales. Outside forces had absolutely nothing to do with any of this you say ? Well how do you think that this nation has changed over the years then, and has it been a change for the better or for the worse in your opinion ? Tell the truth now...Hell you won't tell the truth, because you live in a fantasy land, and you will justify anything probably, even if it means assigning words or meanings to things that people did not say or rather you reinterpret them to say. You do this in order to try and make it look as if they said something that meant one thing according to you, even though they meant something else according to them. Actually your ilk is way worse than any Phil Robertson in this nation could ever be, and that is why we are where we are at right now in all of this to date. Actually you are one of those outsider advocates trying to work to change the meaning of things in which people don't want changed in their lives, I mean just listen to your own self in these post that you write.

Divorce rates have been climbing dramatically over the past 150 years and it has nothing to do with Hollywood and more to do with longer life expectancy, mobility, and increased levels of education and opportunity for the general public. The wealthy, who had more income and opportunities than the rest of us, have always had higher rates of divorce than the poor.

In 1867 - the first year for which divorce statistics were available, the divorce rate was 3%. Most people lived in rural communities and spent their entire lives in the general area of where they were born. A person's life expectancy was less than 50 years. The economy was based on agriculture and most people did hard physical work on their farms from dawn until dusk. People had neither the time nor the energy for recreation or dissatisfaction with their situations.

What you seem to be missing is that as life in North America changed, the divorce rate steadily increased. By 1900 it had more than doubled to 7%. At that point in history, there was no Hollywood, no mass media, and yet the divorce rate climbed. By 1925, it had more than doubled again, to 25%. Newspapers of the day decried the loose morals of the age - jazz and liquor. I would say that automobiles, electricity, the telephone and public education had a lot more to do with the climbing divorce rate than jazz and liquor.

People had more options. The cheap availability of cars made it easier to travel and broaden one's horizons. Public education meant that more people could read and learn about other places, other ways of life, and other opportunities. Electricity gave rise to leisure time. People didn't go to bed when it got dark, they simply turned on the lights. Life expectancy had now increased by nearly 10 years.

Throughout the Great Depression, the divorce rate stabilized. People simply couldn't afford to divorce, but as the unemployment rate dropped, the rate of divorce increased.

The biggest factor to change marriage in the 20th century was not Hollywood, it was World War II. Men went off to war, leaving their wives at home to take care of things by themselves, and women got a taste of independence and responsibility that they had never known before. Factories and armaments manufacturers needed workers to build the tools of war, and with every able-bodied man signing up to fight the war, women were encouraged to work and contribute to the war effort. Placed in a position of making their own money, their own decisions and being head of the household, women loved the freedom and independence.

When the war ended, women were expected to return to their homes and their subserviant roles as wives and mothers. Many chafed at their loss of freedom and independence. They found their traditional role and lack of control demeaning and stifling, and yearned for respect and independence. Men could be whatever they chose to be. Women could be wives and mothers. The divorce rate in 1946 - the year that men came home from the war in large numbers, was 46%.

During the post-war years, the rate of divorce declined to around 25% where it stayed throughout the 1950's as the the Baby Boomers were born, raised and grew up, as the most highly educated group of people in world history. People were expected to get a good education and good jobs. But with their children safely in high school and post secondary schools, the women who had first achieved a measure of freedom and independence in WWII, began to get restless and the women's movement was born and the divorce rate once again, began to rise.

Your desire for a traditional form of marriage leads me to believe that you are an older man. No woman longs for the good old days because for women, they weren't that good. Men could chose their path in life. Women were expected to support that choice and be a good wife and mother, regardless of their talents, abilities or intellect. When their children left home, they had no role, no purpose and were often adrift.

Modern appliances and conveniences had reduced or eliminated the drudge work in maintaining a home. Laundry no longer took all day, nor was it a physically arduous job. Supermarkets meant that women didn't have to maintain a kitchen garden, nor did they can or preserve summer's bounty for winter. They didn't sew their own clothes or knit their own sweaters. Women had a lot more time on their hands and little to do with it. They longed for a life of their own, jobs - a purpose. With 25% of marriages ending in divorce, many women were left by husbands who had moved on to a younger prettier, "trophy wife", and the first wife was left with no job, no marketable skills, dependent on alimony or social services to provide for her and her children. Few men honoured those obligations.

Hollywood has reflected the changing social landscape, it has never lead it. In the 1950's, it reflected a traditional family with men as the wise, all-knowing head of the house. Women were loving and supportive. As kids, we used to laugh at the families in Leave it to Beaver or Father Knows Best. No mother I knew wore pearls and a dress to vaccuum the living room like Mrs. Cleaver.

I say again, if the mythical "traditional family" you yearn for really was the bedrock foundation of American society, it would not be so fragile. Society has changed since the 1860's. Our life expectancy has doubled. The skills women needed to cook, clean, make a home, and feed and clothe their families in the 1800's are no longer needed since everything we need for our homes can be purchased at Walmart. Planes, trains and automobiles have opened up the world. Electricity, modern appliances, and the vast array of consumer goods available, have changed society, not Hollywood.

What conservatives like you want, is the Hollywood myth of traditional marriage, not the reality of what my mother and your mother actually lived.

First you state that divorce and marriage have nothing to do with politics and then you use an example stating what "conservatives" want and illustrate as what marriage should be.

In between a long list of cut and paste "facts".

 

[Bfgrn]

Go tell that to the hundreds of thousands of people that watch the network. Go tell them that it has nothing going for it and they are fools for watching. Your thinking kind of puts you in a minority view doesn't it ? Hec if you could, you would love to take your minority view and ruin it for those who like what they view on that network.

This is a great example of what is going on in this nation, and has been going on in this nation, where as people like you who are in a minority in your view, want to change the nation into what you want it to be, and this no matter how many people like things just the way they are in their life in which is good for them, and that has been good for them. Of course you will tell them that they don't know what they like, so they need to come and get on your wagon, and then you will set their minds free of course. Just drink the cool aid is what you will tell them next won't you ? This is what has been happening on the social fronts in America, where as you would ask them to drink the cool aid of your thinking, and when they refused, then the government next forces them to drink it for you, and so the government took up the manipulation and intimidation fight for people like you, and they did this by way of their miss-usage of power in which they had been entrusted with. Now on the economic front, they have leaned in with the corporations over the people, and they have allowed them to create a volatile and a fragile economy through bubble making, and it has also become a major problem in this nation for a vast amount of people as well.

Think. Breathe. Type and Punctuate. Breathe. Review. Press submit.

This a little better ?

This is a great example of what is going on in this nation, and has been going on in this nation for quite sometime now. It's people like you who are in a minority view, and yet you want to change the nation into what you want it to be, and this no matter how many people like things just the way they are in their life. Of course you will tell them that they don't know what they like, so they need to come and get on your wagon. Then you will set their minds free of course. Just drink the Cool-Aid is what you will tell them next won't you ? This is what has been happening on the social fronts in America, where as you would ask them to drink the Cool-Aid of your thinking, and when they refuse, well then the government next forces them to drink it for you.

The government then takes up the manipulation and intimidation fight for people like you, and they do this by way of their miss-use of power in which they had been entrusted with. Now on the economic front, they have leaned in with the corporations over the people also, and they have allowed them to create a volatile and a fragile economy through bubble making, and it has also become a major problem in this nation for a vast amount of people as well.

250,000 citizens is a majority?

'Duck Dynasty': Petition to Reinstate Phil Robertson Reaches Goal of 250,000 Signatures

315,183,801 -US population 1/1/13

 

[LTCArmyRet]

Really? But you can't understand that liberals have done the same? I'm not saying it's right, but it's how the corruption and political spin occurs.

Liberals HAVEN'T done the same. Why don't you try reading the article I posted in post 885?

Even a conservative rhetor/word smith admits liberals don't have any.

Frank Luntz
Pollster and communications specialist

The 11 Words for 2011

Words matter. The most powerful words have helped launch social movements and cultural revolutions. The most effective words have instigated great change in public policy. The right words at the right time can literally change history.

Most of you know me as a wordsmith. From time to time my memos and language guides have appeared on these pages -- sometimes with my blessings and sometimes against my will. I realize that my work is often controversial, and often you like to attack the messenger, but it's the message that matters.

For those who care about words, I'm going to make it easy for you. No need to dig through my trash or shuffle through my papers. I will voluntarily open up my computer files to give you the "11 for 11"... the 11 most powerful words and phrases for 2011.

These are 11 phrases that will be shaping the public discourse over the coming year. You won't find a similar list from a liberal wordsmith -- there aren't any -- so you might as well use these. And if you want the other 89 words and phrases that really matter, you'll just have to buy the book.

You may not find a similar list, but you can find a list, if you're on the inside of a liberal lobbyist organization. You are being naïve if you believe that liberal lobbyist haven't done the same, it's politics after all.

Denial is not a river in Egypt.

 

[beagle9]

Guess what. Yet another Duck Dynasty marathon on A&E this weekend ...

Another network that has absolutely nothing else going for it.

The thing is, none of these networks are what they say they are.

The History Channel is about Loggers, Pawn Shops and Truckers.

The Learning Channel is about Bakeries and Mail Order Brides

Arts and Entertainment is about Hillbilly Duck Hunters

The Discovery Channel is about various people living in outdoor places.

Bravo is about bitchy housewives...

The SyFy channel is about Ghost hunters and wrestlers


Seriously, this reality TV garbage has pretty much ruined basic cable.

I agree about the History channel but H2 has some really good programs. I recorded God vs. Satan last night but haven't watched it yet. A show called Big History is really good.

I don't know what happened to the History Channel with all of this Pawn Shop garbage. Hate it.

I ask you to look for the leanings in the show that you recorded "God Verses Satan", because I have found that in these shows when shown on these networks, is that you will find that there is always a lean against God or an attempt to make it all just a fairy tale or myth. They will try and insist in the script that there is a need for us to look at these things more in this a way. They are attempting in many of these shows to break down our belief in God, and also in his power, and so what you might find in this show is that they will try and show both the devil, and God as mythical characters that can be proven as such when telling their story, so look for it.

Look for what they do in these ways, and then know what they are doing in these ways. It will open your eyes as to the thinking that is behind all these tactics in which they are using these days, and especially in a one sided biased script that is used on the viewers. They are doing this in hopes to create a new opinion in them when they walk away from these shows. There is also a lust in some people to want to prove to themselves that these things are just myths in their minds, and so they will tune in for reasons of just that. They do this in order to hopefully have their thoughts realized as truth by way of these shows in which many are being set up to feed into the reasoning that is found in such groups, and to be found in their lust for these sorts of things that they are in search of in their life also.

I have watched these kinds of shows, but I always find myself disappointed in them, because they begin to lean towards one position, and then in this they try and take away the position of the believer. You feel next as if you had been set up, and enticed to enter in once you see this as being the case.

To each there own though, because I just watch other things when see this sort of stuff going on, and I don't think that such shows should be banned or anything, because people should just be smart enough to know what is going on, and therefore make an informed choice about it all.

I mean look at what happened on A&E concerning DD, where as that was also a set up in order to attack the Christians if you ask me.

 

[beagle9]

Think. Breathe. Type and Punctuate. Breathe. Review. Press submit.

This a little better ?

This is a great example of what is going on in this nation, and has been going on in this nation for quite sometime now. It's people like you who are in a minority view, and yet you want to change the nation into what you want it to be, and this no matter how many people like things just the way they are in their life. Of course you will tell them that they don't know what they like, so they need to come and get on your wagon. Then you will set their minds free of course. Just drink the Cool-Aid is what you will tell them next won't you ? This is what has been happening on the social fronts in America, where as you would ask them to drink the Cool-Aid of your thinking, and when they refuse, well then the government next forces them to drink it for you.

The government then takes up the manipulation and intimidation fight for people like you, and they do this by way of their miss-use of power in which they had been entrusted with. Now on the economic front, they have leaned in with the corporations over the people also, and they have allowed them to create a volatile and a fragile economy through bubble making, and it has also become a major problem in this nation for a vast amount of people as well.

No, it is not better.

However your repetitive inductive logic is a great example of what is wrong with this nation.

Be more specific will you,

I mean what am I doing to hurt this nation ? Am I on the offensive or on the defensive ? Who is driving the ball down the field in this nation or who is carrying the ball these days ?

 

[paulitician]

Looks like all the Communist and Gay manufactured outrage is having the opposite effect of what they hoped for. Most people know exaggerated manufactured hype when they see it. Communists and Gays have come off as whiny little babies on this one. People say shit. Happens all the time. It's what a free Country is all about.

 

[beagle9]

Are you preaching to me about marriage ? I have been married for a long, long, time, and I have been faithful through the thick and the thin. I grew up in a time where the nation was more in tune with traditional marriage, but slowly that changed into what you are trying so desperately to defend now, and it didn't change willingly, but instead it was forced to change by outside forces that became either hostile towards it or was influential by way of Hollywood and the government who has duped this nation into believing in fairytales. Outside forces had absolutely nothing to do with any of this you say ? Well how do you think that this nation has changed over the years then, and has it been a change for the better or for the worse in your opinion ? Tell the truth now...Hell you won't tell the truth, because you live in a fantasy land, and you will justify anything probably, even if it means assigning words or meanings to things that people did not say or rather you reinterpret them to say. You do this in order to try and make it look as if they said something that meant one thing according to you, even though they meant something else according to them. Actually your ilk is way worse than any Phil Robertson in this nation could ever be, and that is why we are where we are at right now in all of this to date. Actually you are one of those outsider advocates trying to work to change the meaning of things in which people don't want changed in their lives, I mean just listen to your own self in these post that you write.

Divorce rates have been climbing dramatically over the past 150 years and it has nothing to do with Hollywood and more to do with longer life expectancy, mobility, and increased levels of education and opportunity for the general public. The wealthy, who had more income and opportunities than the rest of us, have always had higher rates of divorce than the poor.

In 1867 - the first year for which divorce statistics were available, the divorce rate was 3%. Most people lived in rural communities and spent their entire lives in the general area of where they were born. A person's life expectancy was less than 50 years. The economy was based on agriculture and most people did hard physical work on their farms from dawn until dusk. People had neither the time nor the energy for recreation or dissatisfaction with their situations.

What you seem to be missing is that as life in North America changed, the divorce rate steadily increased. By 1900 it had more than doubled to 7%. At that point in history, there was no Hollywood, no mass media, and yet the divorce rate climbed. By 1925, it had more than doubled again, to 25%. Newspapers of the day decried the loose morals of the age - jazz and liquor. I would say that automobiles, electricity, the telephone and public education had a lot more to do with the climbing divorce rate than jazz and liquor.

People had more options. The cheap availability of cars made it easier to travel and broaden one's horizons. Public education meant that more people could read and learn about other places, other ways of life, and other opportunities. Electricity gave rise to leisure time. People didn't go to bed when it got dark, they simply turned on the lights. Life expectancy had now increased by nearly 10 years.

Throughout the Great Depression, the divorce rate stabilized. People simply couldn't afford to divorce, but as the unemployment rate dropped, the rate of divorce increased.

The biggest factor to change marriage in the 20th century was not Hollywood, it was World War II. Men went off to war, leaving their wives at home to take care of things by themselves, and women got a taste of independence and responsibility that they had never known before. Factories and armaments manufacturers needed workers to build the tools of war, and with every able-bodied man signing up to fight the war, women were encouraged to work and contribute to the war effort. Placed in a position of making their own money, their own decisions and being head of the household, women loved the freedom and independence.

When the war ended, women were expected to return to their homes and their subserviant roles as wives and mothers. Many chafed at their loss of freedom and independence. They found their traditional role and lack of control demeaning and stifling, and yearned for respect and independence. Men could be whatever they chose to be. Women could be wives and mothers. The divorce rate in 1946 - the year that men came home from the war in large numbers, was 46%.

During the post-war years, the rate of divorce declined to around 25% where it stayed throughout the 1950's as the the Baby Boomers were born, raised and grew up, as the most highly educated group of people in world history. People were expected to get a good education and good jobs. But with their children safely in high school and post secondary schools, the women who had first achieved a measure of freedom and independence in WWII, began to get restless and the women's movement was born and the divorce rate once again, began to rise.

Your desire for a traditional form of marriage leads me to believe that you are an older man. No woman longs for the good old days because for women, they weren't that good. Men could chose their path in life. Women were expected to support that choice and be a good wife and mother, regardless of their talents, abilities or intellect. When their children left home, they had no role, no purpose and were often adrift.

Modern appliances and conveniences had reduced or eliminated the drudge work in maintaining a home. Laundry no longer took all day, nor was it a physically arduous job. Supermarkets meant that women didn't have to maintain a kitchen garden, nor did they can or preserve summer's bounty for winter. They didn't sew their own clothes or knit their own sweaters. Women had a lot more time on their hands and little to do with it. They longed for a life of their own, jobs - a purpose. With 25% of marriages ending in divorce, many women were left by husbands who had moved on to a younger prettier, "trophy wife", and the first wife was left with no job, no marketable skills, dependent on alimony or social services to provide for her and her children. Few men honoured those obligations.

Hollywood has reflected the changing social landscape, it has never lead it. In the 1950's, it reflected a traditional family with men as the wise, all-knowing head of the house. Women were loving and supportive. As kids, we used to laugh at the families in Leave it to Beaver or Father Knows Best. No mother I knew wore pearls and a dress to vaccuum the living room like Mrs. Cleaver.

I say again, if the mythical "traditional family" you yearn for really was the bedrock foundation of American society, it would not be so fragile. Society has changed since the 1860's. Our life expectancy has doubled. The skills women needed to cook, clean, make a home, and feed and clothe their families in the 1800's are no longer needed since everything we need for our homes can be purchased at Walmart. Planes, trains and automobiles have opened up the world. Electricity, modern appliances, and the vast array of consumer goods available, have changed society, not Hollywood.

What conservatives like you want, is the Hollywood myth of traditional marriage, not the reality of what my mother and your mother actually lived.

First you state that divorce and marriage have nothing to do with politics and then you use an example stating what "conservatives" want and illustrate as what marriage should be.

In between a long list of cut and paste "facts".

She undoubtedly is a militant feminist straight out of hade's, because like you say (1st she says that no one is or can be influencing these changes), but then here she is fearing that outside influences could be instrumental in changing these things that which she holds dear. LOL... So it's all depending on who is wielding the power and the influence at any given time, where as the promotion of such things in life or the demotion of such things could very easily occur at any given time. She must be worried that the shoe is now on the other foot for a while.. You can't make this stuff up can you ? LOL

 

[Dragonlady]

First you state that divorce and marriage have nothing to do with politics and then you use an example stating what "conservatives" want and illustrate as what marriage should be.

In between a long list of cut and paste "facts".

There is nothing cut and pasted in my post. I wrote every word myself. The only thing I looked up was the divorce statistics and the life expectancies over the years.

My mother was born in 1902 and was a typical housewife of her era. She kept chickens in her yard, and had a large kitchen garden. She sewed clothes for 6 children and had a washboard to do her laundry. As a child, I helped my parents plant and tend the garden. I helped my mother clean, cut and can the fruits and vegetables she grew. Unlike most women today, I can sew my own clothes, knit my own sweaters, and have the ability to grow my own food as well as cook it, can and preserve it.

I am also a student of history and I know very well that this longing for a so-called traditional family is based on a Hollywood myth, not a real past. I am well aware that the 1920's was an era of loose morality which people blamed on the easy availability of liquor and short skirts. My parents lived through the Great Depression and told me stories of how difficult life was then. Our family home was purchased at a foreclosure auction for $450. As a WWI veteran, my father was able to get a government funded veteran's mortgage to buy it.

I was placed for adoption when my biological mother's first marrriage ended in divorce and she saw having a child as an impediment to finding a new husband. She divorced and remarried a second time, and again, "disposed" of the children of the second marriage so that she find and marry a man with "no strings" attached. I was adopted by a middle-aged couple whose own children had grown and left the nest. In addition to adopting me, my parents raised one of their grandsons when his parents's marriage ended in divorce. This all happened in the 1950's so the idea that the "traditional family" was the norm is utterly false. 25% of all marriages in the 1950's ended in divorce.

As a feminist, I know well that the history of the women's movement is rooted in the freedom and independence which women first experienced during WWII. That was a pivotal moment in the history of women's rights.

It was not uncommon in the 1950's for girls who got pregnant out of wedlock to leave town with their mothers and re-appear months later with a new "brother" or "sister". I recently learned that a friend's grandmother who had been "widowed" and remarried in the 1930's, was in fact divorced and remarried, but such was the stigma on divorce in those days, that she told people that her first husband had died, when he ran out on her. Only in Hollywood did the family consist of a husband, wife and two children living happily together. I grew up in a small town and I didn't know a single family who remotely resembled the Cleavers.

When you mix in the enormous advances in medicine, manufacturing, transportation and communications whicih have completely changed every aspect of how people live, work, and interact, it's extremely naive to think that marriage wouldn't change. Any institution which has not evolved or adapted to the great social upheaval of the past 150 years, no longer exists.

I don't need to cut and paste any of this information to order to write a well-thought out synopsis as to why marriage has evolved from the 1850's. Beagle asked for my opinion as to what caused marriage to change if it wasn't the attacks of special interest groups and the influence of Hollywood. I provided an answer based on my reading of history, mixed with my own personal experiences.

 

[Dragonlady]

She undoubtedly is a militant feminist straight out of hade's, because like you say (1st she says that no one is or can be influencing these changes), but then here she is fearing that outside influences could be instrumental in changing these things that which she holds dear. LOL... So it's all depending on who is wielding the power and the influence at any given time, where as the promotion of such things in life or the demotion of such things could very easily occur at any given time. She must be worried that the shoe is now on the other foot for a while.. You can't make this stuff up can you ? LOL

I said the changes to marriage are not being influenced by Hollywood or outside groups, but rather by the changes to society and the way people live, but I gather that you really didn't bother to read my post at all, or that you lack reading comprehension skills.

Everything changes all of the time. I don't try to hold on to the past, I just try to go with the flow and do what works best for me and for my family. You're the one desperately clinging to a false illusion of the past.

You can make this stuff, because you just tried to do so.