Are Blacks More Racist Than Whites? Most Americans Say Yes

[Humorme]

Something I read on an other page on this thread...Whites may have once been slave owners, but whites also fought and died to set blacks FREE. Whites are neurotic as hell. Blacks, well they can be too. Racism, schmasim. Get over it. Lets put the POST in POST racial, kiddoes.

Whites did not die to set blacks free. Blacks had much more do with our freedom than whites did. .After all there was that 100 years after slavery when blacks still had no rights. So until those like you stop being racists, there is no post. Racism is a form of abuse, go study what every type of abuse does to people, then come back and talk..

Roll your pants up to your knees if you're going to wade through that B.S.

 

[Humorme]

A hundred dollars says that anything you do physically, I can do better. Grandpa? You would rather poke butter up a wild cat's ass with a red hot poker than go up against me. You pick the physically activity. Might be some snow on the roof top, but plenty of fire in the furnace.

If you'd like to threaten me, like I tell all the people who say silly shit they won't say to a man's face. Unless you're uncouth, such talk belongs in a PM. But, we can all judge your IQ and maturity by your responses.

You are being judged by your previous conversations with other posters AND, unfortunately, by comments made by people like IM2 and another bigot that shares your sentiment. Now, no matter what white people say, you have them all figured out. Most likely, they could kiss your ass, grovel at your feet, tell them about how many blacks are in their family and how much they love them...

They might tell you about their trials and tribulations like having been called names or their house spray painted... of a cross burned in their yard, and you'd probably have some smart ass commentary that implies you've had it rougher than they did.

I don't give a fuck what you think about me personally. I've sweated more sweat, bled more blood and had it one Hell of a lot harder than you. And, unlike you, I have been a DFACS asset for a few years now. What have YOU done? Have you ever changed a white kid's diaper? Have you ever had a white baby puke on you? Have you ever taught a white kid how to catch a ball for the first time or take them to a fair for their first time?

And when you were growing up did you live in a house without electricity or water? Did the school you went to have an outhouse? Did they fix your meals on coal stoves and you went out in the snow and collected a bucket of coal while at school?

When you grew up were you ever tortured and beaten? Did anyone put cigarettes out on your body?

You never know the road the other guy traveled. But, you think of me any way you like. Your generation plays on the computer saying shit online that, in my state, constitutes "fighting words" and is a crime. AND if you said them to a stranger and they felt intimidated, whatever they did to you would be legally excusable.

Your generation has the Internet and anonymity. But, I'll tell you right now, like I told the last guy who spewed as much stupidity as you:

If Uncle Scam sends me kids that are as disrespectful as you, I reason with them. If they don't respond to reasoning, they are usually convinced when a leather strap goes across their ass and they're held accountable for being that disrespectful.

You command NO respect from whites. It's your attitude. That "grandpa" remark is one that if your parents wouldn't embarrassed that you said, would address the real reason this country still has this much chaos every time we try to discuss the issue. If they wouldn't spank you for the way you act here, that says more than if I spend another 100 paragraphs on this thread. Good Day and if you have any class, let's just part ways... barring that, you may want to act your age and not your IQ by posting personal commentary in a PM.

ROFLMAO! You wrote all of this nonsense and you STILL never answered my questions.

*Where did I state that I am "entitled" to anything, or "deserve special treatment"?

*Where did I use any "racial slurs"?

You cannot point out where I did either.

Yes, I did refer to you as "Grandpa", because YOU referred to me as "Son" first, and you also made it a point to state that you are older than I am.....you may be, but it is more likely that ypu are not by much.

So you got back what you gave in return.

Don't like it? Tough shit.

You asked for it.

As far as the rest of your "meltdown"
I know what it's like to be poor, AND be lawfully marginalized in society, having been around during Jim Crow.

How many times in YOUR lifetime have YOU been denied service in a public establishment necause of your race?

Did you ever watch your parents have urine and feces thrown on them? Or watch family members get sprayed with fire department hoses, then clubbed by rabid cops just for protesting peacefully for the same "American" rights as white citizens?

My guess is NO, you have not. And, If you actually believe that I will reward you with some kind of badge of honor, for cooking on a coal stove and using an outhouse just because you "think" that you deserve it, that is not going to happen. And as far as you supposedly being a foster parent to black children, it's easy to wonder if you are poisoning their minds, judging from how little self control that you have in even an anonymous forum like this

Lastly, it is usually a dead giveaway that a person is in reality a coward, when they start talking about their "physical prowess" on the internet to a total stranger, so you might want to think before you type because false bravado is not very manly.

Now, go change that leaky Depends diaper.

You're whining like a spoiled little infant.

You must have a miserable life if it hasn't taught you that YOU too must earn respect. Just as the white people use the terminology "illegal aliens" against Hispanics instead of calling them mud people, sand n144ers, etc. you do equally revealing things. You listen to the white people talk all around something and you tell them you have them all figured out. Well I'm just as enlightened as you are.

You're known by the company you keep and when you say things as you did in your last two sentences, it says more about your degree of hatred and bigotry than anything. THAT is your answer.

Even if you were "older" than me chronologically, you are nowhere near my league when it comes to experience understanding racial issues. That is why I have openly told you about the weaknesses in my own race's attitude and you can't do it with yours.

Instead of you using any degree of maturity, you talk smack you would never say in public, where people could put a name onto the skeet you spew. Here, you don't have to be accountable and you can talk racist, hate mongering cow dung all day.

As for my physical prowess, let me explain this to you in terminology I doubt you will understand:

When I was a kid when someone talked smack to another one, the whole room went silent, except for the occasional gasp. Well, I am an admitted Luddite and this WWE atmoshphere where blacks and whites spend more time trying to out-jockey the other with insults as opposed to having a civil conversation doesn't entertain me. The WWE is much the same. They spend 90 percent of their time flapping their gums and the other 10 percent pretending to be wrestling.

I presume that people who talk skeet have a personal problem. IF that is the case, I let them know, we can resolve this in private and get back to the conversation on the board. That way, instead of you wanting a face to face, you have the opportunity to tell me to name the time and the place without the fanfare and without moderators banning you. It gives you the best of all worlds.

If you read the posts very carefully, I have never opened with my first posting on a thread with a direct insult at anyone. Neither will I pretend that I'm not aware of the hidden nuances whereby you hide your intolerance for whites. And, while I have been a victim of racism myself, it does not rule my every waking moment. I get laid off a job, get mistreated, or disrespected, I don't let that define me. Black people many times do try to make a life out of a presupposed feeling that they think they have a monopoly on so they can become professional victims.

My own race does it too. I don't take it from them; I don't take it from you. It is what it is no matter what you do to sugar coat it.

Actually, I have a very good life. Been married to the same woman for many years, have a succesful son and daugther and several grandchildren who have been honor students and standout athletes and true friends from diverse backgrounds and all races.

I extend respect to all in return......IF I receive it, but I also DO NOT turn the other cheek if I don't.

Anything and everything that I say here, I have stated in public, and even one on one to white people that I have worked with, been friends with and even allowed inside of my own home.

Now back to what I said to you before:

You still NEVER answered my questions: instead you continue to evade what I have asked directly. Now for the third time.

*Where did I ever state that I am entitled to anything, or deserve special treatment"?

*Where did I use any kind of racial slur"?

*And here is a new question...where can you point out where I have even remotely implied that "I personally hate white people" in general?

Until you answer those questions, I have no choice except to dismiss you as a chronic whiner, who just babbles about nothing.

And as an editorial comment, so far you have posted nothing that makes you appear to be anything that remotely resembles intelligence and maturity.

You may be elderly, but you are far from wise.

The last time you asked me that question, I gave you the answer. Since you didn't understand, let me put in words that most here will be able to understand.

One night before some wrestling matches were to begin taping for tv and there was some serious bad blood in the locker room, Les Thatcher (the local promoter) brought everybody into a conference room and said he knew about the ill feelings some were having. He then said that he would fire anyone who said one of the then prohibited words because he did not want the local tv station to give the program the heave ho.

Jimmy Garvin had the biggest chip on his shoulder that night so when his interview came up, he addressed the guy he was having a personal issue with. He said "your daddy was a dog and your momma was a dog and son I don't have to tell you what that just made you."

Well I've answered your question TWICE. By all means, if you really mean what you said, then say no more. We won't have to address the rest of the posters and we can let them decide for themselves.

I understand DIRECT answers to DIRECT questions. Im not certain how an obscure wrestling match got in your way of answering a few simple questions in the following manner:

Example- "Yes, you did imply that you are entitled to special treatment, because ypu said the following, in this post"_________

Fill in the blank

Get it?

Now, for the 4th time:

*When did I state "that I was entitled to anything or deserved special treatment"?

*When did I use any racial slurs?

*When did I ever imply that I hate white people?

If you provide examples and actual statements that you perceived at such, please post them.

And I will answer....DIRECTLY.

Are we clear?

If you cannot understand simple analogies, let me be blunt with you:

Take a complete ignoramus - a racist, bigot, the cancer on society and he attacks a white guy. Now work with me. This piece of dog squeeze writes freaking books in posts that would take hours to clear up. But here is the kicker: a racist asshole jumps on a white guy after ADMITTING HE DID NOT READ ALL THE WHITE GUY'S POST!

You chime in, but YOU do not disavow the racism, prejudice, hatred and intolerance of the people within your own race when it appears on the thread you're responding to. No sir. You just add fuel to the fire, but you can always say "you" never said ... fill in the blanks.

No, you did not say it directly, but the racist POS that leads the charge is not being questioned by other blacks - not here nor at any time. WHEN that same situation is turned around, and a guy like me (who does not know any of the posters on this thread) says something you and those of your race (whose hate mongering you tolerate) you immediately assume that I'm a racist, hate monger, etc.

So, here is the deal sport:

1) A man is known by the company he keeps. If / when certain posters apologize to me, read the entire post, and then decide to have a civil conversation, you and I can talk civilly

2) When someone speaks on behalf of your race and says utterly stupid things, your silence is consent. That is the attitude that the black racists here are playing with their game. It's not justified to have another set of rules for white people

3) The one thing that IS going to benefit the whites is that the racists here do not acknowledge the whites who faced discrimination, racism, even death - and many times trying to help black people ever existed.

So, you are on the side that is forcing what were once liberals to rethink their positions. While I doubt many of them will go from the frying pan to the fire and hook up with the White Nationalists, I do think you're screwing the pooch by not standing up and acknowledging the sacrifices many white people have made that you are the beneficiary of. But, to each his own. The more people you alienate and the more of them you piss off, the fewer friends you are going to have if you think all this chatter is worth throwing part of your support under the bus over.

 

[NewsVine_Mariyam]

anecdotal bullshit

If I thought it would help I'd post the case numbers so that you all could read the case pleadings yourselves but I've seen no indication that anyone from the other side has more than a remedial level of reading comprehension.

Oh and the fact that not too many seem to be interested in facts as opposed to opinions.

 

[NewsVine_Mariyam]

No, you did not say it directly, but the racist POS that leads the charge is not being questioned by other blacks - not here nor at any time. WHEN that same situation is turned around, and a guy like me (who does not know any of the posters on this thread) says something you and those of your race (whose hate mongering you tolerate) you immediately assume that I'm a racist, hate monger, etc.

Who is this "racist piece of shit" you're referring to?

 

[Humorme]

No, you did not say it directly, but the racist POS that leads the charge is not being questioned by other blacks - not here nor at any time. WHEN that same situation is turned around, and a guy like me (who does not know any of the posters on this thread) says something you and those of your race (whose hate mongering you tolerate) you immediately assume that I'm a racist, hate monger, etc.

Who is this "racist piece of shit" you're referring to?

ATL and then IM2 took up the torch for him / her. BTW, in that post, I came down as hard on whites as I did the blacks because we have our ATLs and IM2s.

 

[beagle9]

No, you did not say it directly, but the racist POS that leads the charge is not being questioned by other blacks - not here nor at any time. WHEN that same situation is turned around, and a guy like me (who does not know any of the posters on this thread) says something you and those of your race (whose hate mongering you tolerate) you immediately assume that I'm a racist, hate monger, etc.

Who is this "racist piece of shit" you're referring to?

I think it was a hypothetical wasn't it ?

 

[beagle9]

No, you did not say it directly, but the racist POS that leads the charge is not being questioned by other blacks - not here nor at any time. WHEN that same situation is turned around, and a guy like me (who does not know any of the posters on this thread) says something you and those of your race (whose hate mongering you tolerate) you immediately assume that I'm a racist, hate monger, etc.

Who is this "racist piece of shit" you're referring to?

ATL and then IM2 took up the torch for him / her. BTW, in that post, I came down as hard on whites as I did the blacks because we have our ATLs and IM2s.

Agree that every race or group has it's bad elements among those groups. To admit it is a first step to freeing the mind, and leaning toward having a good conversation about the issues. Hopefully what is being seen in these threads is just confusion amongst individuals, for whom may be biased due to their exposures to specific things in life in which has formed their opinions, and possibly seared their minds.

Hopefully there is hope for the human race yet.

 

[NewsVine_Mariyam]

ATL and then IM2 took up the torch for him / her. BTW, in that post, I came down as hard on whites as I did the blacks because we have our ATLs and IM2s.

So there are several things going on that I've seen on the board in the last 24 hours or so. And I think it begins with the fact that there is a double standard being applied here along with the fact that I believe for a lot of white people the concept of racism is just something that they're read about, or listen to people on the news talk about or discuss with others within their own circles or on message boards such as these. For many, many black people however, it's something that we live and part of that racism is having our experiences minimized or contributions diminished, not being believed, being viewed with suspicion, etc. But the granddaddy tactic of all is when accusations of racism are leveled at us for daring to speak truthfully about things and events in the history of the United States that are pretty heinous and are indisputably racists.

So you have one group of people who not only have lived this experience of racism - direct & institutionalized - and can factually illustrate with historical documents, case law, government investigative files, etc. the origin of racism, the detrimental affects it had and continues to have on people of African descent. Then you have the opposing group whose purpose on this board seems to primarily be to mock, denigrate, and insult the black posters while providing no factual information of any kind to dispute the claims made by the black posters or to support their own positions that white people are being discriminated against in droves all due to written legislation that somehow magically put black people in charge of white people and allow them to discriminate against them at will.

Then to take it even further, even though many of them have repeatedly failed to support their hypothesis, they cry like babies and are offended when they mistakenly believe that someone called them a racist as if being called a racist on a message board discussing race relations is magnitudes worse that actually living in a society where black people are routinely discriminated against and the perpetrators often escape unpunished.

Not liking the way someone delivers the message does nothing to veracity of the message. The truth is the truth irrespective of how it's conveyed and if the method of delivery is brusque then maybe that's in direct response to the intentional antagonism being shown to many of us.

 

[NewsVine_Mariyam]

ATL and then IM2 took up the torch for him / her. BTW, in that post, I came down as hard on whites as I did the blacks because we have our ATLs and IM2s.

Also I know you mentioned the problems with the white race's own racist and that was not unnoted (battery dying finish later)

 

[NewsVine_Mariyam]

I'm hoping this is really all just a misunderstand and I don't know if a reset is possible but this is what I'd like to leave you all with on this Friday night:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=awzNHuGqoMc
Tim McGraw "Humble & Kind"

 

[beagle9]

ATL and then IM2 took up the torch for him / her. BTW, in that post, I came down as hard on whites as I did the blacks because we have our ATLs and IM2s.

So there are several things going on that I've seen on the board in the last 24 hours or so. And I think it begins with the fact that there is a double standard being applied here along with the fact that I believe for a lot of white people the concept of racism is just something that they're read about, or listen to people on the news talk about or discuss with others within their own circles or on message boards such as these. For many, many black people however, it's something that we live and part of that racism is having our experiences minimized or contributions diminished, not being believed, being viewed with suspicion, etc. But the granddaddy tactic of all is when accusations of racism are leveled at us for daring to speak truthfully about things and events in the history of the United States that are pretty heinous and are indisputably racists.

So you have one group of people who not only have lived this experience of racism - direct & institutionalized - and can factually illustrate with historical documents, case law, government investigative files, etc. the origin of racism, the detrimental affects it had and continues to have on people of African descent. Then you have the opposing group whose purpose on this board seems to primarily be to mock, denigrate, and insult the black posters while providing no factual information of any kind to dispute the claims made by the black posters or to support their own positions that white people are being discriminated against in droves all due to written legislation that somehow magically put black people in charge of white people and allow them to discriminate against them at will.

Then to take it even further, even though many of them have repeatedly failed to support their hypothesis, they cry like babies and are offended when they mistakenly believe that someone called them a racist as if being called a racist on a message board discussing race relations is magnitudes worse that actually living in a society where black people are routinely discriminated against and the perpetrators often escape unpunished.

Not liking the way someone delivers the message does nothing to veracity of the message. The truth is the truth irrespective of how it's conveyed and if the method of delivery is brusque then maybe that's in direct response to the intentional antagonism being shown to many of us.

Let me ask you this.... Do you think that the act of opposition towards a person's view, culture, and actions are always considered as being racism ?? Is opposition between a white and black person always going to be considered as racism at play, and that it is always based strictly upon the color of a person's skin color or is it based upon the acts or actions associated with ones character, where as skin color just happens to be one of the identifying factors involved in the individuals who are then placed in the spotlight of another if they might disagree ?? Otherwise is this idea of color really a main factor in any of the debates or is it just being used most of the time as just another tool in the toolbox in order to aggravate or aggitate one another due to the vulnerabilities created within it all ??

 

[katsteve2012]

ROFLMAO! You wrote all of this nonsense and you STILL never answered my questions.

*Where did I state that I am "entitled" to anything, or "deserve special treatment"?

*Where did I use any "racial slurs"?

You cannot point out where I did either.

Yes, I did refer to you as "Grandpa", because YOU referred to me as "Son" first, and you also made it a point to state that you are older than I am.....you may be, but it is more likely that ypu are not by much.

So you got back what you gave in return.

Don't like it? Tough shit.

You asked for it.

As far as the rest of your "meltdown"
I know what it's like to be poor, AND be lawfully marginalized in society, having been around during Jim Crow.

How many times in YOUR lifetime have YOU been denied service in a public establishment necause of your race?

Did you ever watch your parents have urine and feces thrown on them? Or watch family members get sprayed with fire department hoses, then clubbed by rabid cops just for protesting peacefully for the same "American" rights as white citizens?

My guess is NO, you have not. And, If you actually believe that I will reward you with some kind of badge of honor, for cooking on a coal stove and using an outhouse just because you "think" that you deserve it, that is not going to happen. And as far as you supposedly being a foster parent to black children, it's easy to wonder if you are poisoning their minds, judging from how little self control that you have in even an anonymous forum like this

Lastly, it is usually a dead giveaway that a person is in reality a coward, when they start talking about their "physical prowess" on the internet to a total stranger, so you might want to think before you type because false bravado is not very manly.

Now, go change that leaky Depends diaper.

You're whining like a spoiled little infant.

You must have a miserable life if it hasn't taught you that YOU too must earn respect. Just as the white people use the terminology "illegal aliens" against Hispanics instead of calling them mud people, sand n144ers, etc. you do equally revealing things. You listen to the white people talk all around something and you tell them you have them all figured out. Well I'm just as enlightened as you are.

You're known by the company you keep and when you say things as you did in your last two sentences, it says more about your degree of hatred and bigotry than anything. THAT is your answer.

Even if you were "older" than me chronologically, you are nowhere near my league when it comes to experience understanding racial issues. That is why I have openly told you about the weaknesses in my own race's attitude and you can't do it with yours.

Instead of you using any degree of maturity, you talk smack you would never say in public, where people could put a name onto the skeet you spew. Here, you don't have to be accountable and you can talk racist, hate mongering cow dung all day.

As for my physical prowess, let me explain this to you in terminology I doubt you will understand:

When I was a kid when someone talked smack to another one, the whole room went silent, except for the occasional gasp. Well, I am an admitted Luddite and this WWE atmoshphere where blacks and whites spend more time trying to out-jockey the other with insults as opposed to having a civil conversation doesn't entertain me. The WWE is much the same. They spend 90 percent of their time flapping their gums and the other 10 percent pretending to be wrestling.

I presume that people who talk skeet have a personal problem. IF that is the case, I let them know, we can resolve this in private and get back to the conversation on the board. That way, instead of you wanting a face to face, you have the opportunity to tell me to name the time and the place without the fanfare and without moderators banning you. It gives you the best of all worlds.

If you read the posts very carefully, I have never opened with my first posting on a thread with a direct insult at anyone. Neither will I pretend that I'm not aware of the hidden nuances whereby you hide your intolerance for whites. And, while I have been a victim of racism myself, it does not rule my every waking moment. I get laid off a job, get mistreated, or disrespected, I don't let that define me. Black people many times do try to make a life out of a presupposed feeling that they think they have a monopoly on so they can become professional victims.

My own race does it too. I don't take it from them; I don't take it from you. It is what it is no matter what you do to sugar coat it.

Actually, I have a very good life. Been married to the same woman for many years, have a succesful son and daugther and several grandchildren who have been honor students and standout athletes and true friends from diverse backgrounds and all races.

I extend respect to all in return......IF I receive it, but I also DO NOT turn the other cheek if I don't.

Anything and everything that I say here, I have stated in public, and even one on one to white people that I have worked with, been friends with and even allowed inside of my own home.

Now back to what I said to you before:

You still NEVER answered my questions: instead you continue to evade what I have asked directly. Now for the third time.

*Where did I ever state that I am entitled to anything, or deserve special treatment"?

*Where did I use any kind of racial slur"?

*And here is a new question...where can you point out where I have even remotely implied that "I personally hate white people" in general?

Until you answer those questions, I have no choice except to dismiss you as a chronic whiner, who just babbles about nothing.

And as an editorial comment, so far you have posted nothing that makes you appear to be anything that remotely resembles intelligence and maturity.

You may be elderly, but you are far from wise.

The last time you asked me that question, I gave you the answer. Since you didn't understand, let me put in words that most here will be able to understand.

One night before some wrestling matches were to begin taping for tv and there was some serious bad blood in the locker room, Les Thatcher (the local promoter) brought everybody into a conference room and said he knew about the ill feelings some were having. He then said that he would fire anyone who said one of the then prohibited words because he did not want the local tv station to give the program the heave ho.

Jimmy Garvin had the biggest chip on his shoulder that night so when his interview came up, he addressed the guy he was having a personal issue with. He said "your daddy was a dog and your momma was a dog and son I don't have to tell you what that just made you."

Well I've answered your question TWICE. By all means, if you really mean what you said, then say no more. We won't have to address the rest of the posters and we can let them decide for themselves.

I understand DIRECT answers to DIRECT questions. Im not certain how an obscure wrestling match got in your way of answering a few simple questions in the following manner:

Example- "Yes, you did imply that you are entitled to special treatment, because ypu said the following, in this post"_________

Fill in the blank

Get it?

Now, for the 4th time:

*When did I state "that I was entitled to anything or deserved special treatment"?

*When did I use any racial slurs?

*When did I ever imply that I hate white people?

If you provide examples and actual statements that you perceived at such, please post them.

And I will answer....DIRECTLY.

Are we clear?

If you cannot understand simple analogies, let me be blunt with you:

Take a complete ignoramus - a racist, bigot, the cancer on society and he attacks a white guy. Now work with me. This piece of dog squeeze writes freaking books in posts that would take hours to clear up. But here is the kicker: a racist asshole jumps on a white guy after ADMITTING HE DID NOT READ ALL THE WHITE GUY'S POST!

You chime in, but YOU do not disavow the racism, prejudice, hatred and intolerance of the people within your own race when it appears on the thread you're responding to. No sir. You just add fuel to the fire, but you can always say "you" never said ... fill in the blanks.

No, you did not say it directly, but the racist POS that leads the charge is not being questioned by other blacks - not here nor at any time. WHEN that same situation is turned around, and a guy like me (who does not know any of the posters on this thread) says something you and those of your race (whose hate mongering you tolerate) you immediately assume that I'm a racist, hate monger, etc.

So, here is the deal sport:

1) A man is known by the company he keeps. If / when certain posters apologize to me, read the entire post, and then decide to have a civil conversation, you and I can talk civilly

2) When someone speaks on behalf of your race and says utterly stupid things, your silence is consent. That is the attitude that the black racists here are playing with their game. It's not justified to have another set of rules for white people

3) The one thing that IS going to benefit the whites is that the racists here do not acknowledge the whites who faced discrimination, racism, even death - and many times trying to help black people ever existed.

So, you are on the side that is forcing what were once liberals to rethink their positions. While I doubt many of them will go from the frying pan to the fire and hook up with the White Nationalists, I do think you're screwing the pooch by not standing up and acknowledging the sacrifices many white people have made that you are the beneficiary of. But, to each his own. The more people you alienate and the more of them you piss off, the fewer friends you are going to have if you think all this chatter is worth throwing part of your support under the bus over.

You're unhinged, dude. You do not have a clue as to what side my political allegiance is to.

Once again, I only asked you three simple questions, and you answered with a mile long diatribe, but never gave me a direct answer.

So for the 5th and last time, I will again ask you:

*Where did I ever state that I "am entitled to anything, or that I deserve special treatment"?


Where did I use a "racial slur"?

Where did I ever imply that "I hate white people"

This is not that difficult.....but you seem to want to make it so.

Why?]

My guess is that you know that I NEVER said any of the above, and you are embarrased to have to admit that you accused me of the above, and did not think in an objective manner before you posted what you did.

You are cordially invited to prove me to be wrong.

 

[Correll]

Thanks for ignoring the sacrifices of generations of whites, trying to help.


I've been telling modern libs, that it was a huge waste. THey dont' listen to me.

I bet they are listening to you.

.Generations of whites trying to help? LOL!

.So tell me Cornholio, what were blacks dong for all these generations?

Being vastly outnumbered.

Lucking for them, whites voted for and endured generations of AA, and associated programs.


For how much longer?

.Whites like you have done nothing consistently for generations but be racists.

Liar.

Not really. It's all you do.

You are a liar and a race baiting piece of shit.

 

[Correll]

You insulted me with a serious insult, based on your assumptions.

And how has that harmed you? What are your damages? Has my comment lowered the esteem in which you were previously held on the US Message Board's thread on America Says Yes That Blacks Are More Racists Than Whites? Or within your family? Among your friends, neighbors, co-workers? How in the hell has my opinion, truthful and accurate as it may be, harmed you?

Lack of personal harm does not excuse rude behavior, AND such easy, reflexive use of false accusations of racism, is causing great harm to this nation, tearing it apart actually.

I will not let it pass unchallenged.

I must of missed that bolded, red portions in your long, rambling posts.

So it's my fault that you have the attention span of a gnat? Are you ready to concede I did not call you a "vile name" that you just misunderstood my comment yet you continue to call me names? Drama queen? Really? [/QUOTE]


YOu did call me a vile name. That I did not respond to a buried question, that included the option, being less qualified, does not justify your name calling.

Pointing out, incorrectly, that you were judging New Haven Conn, based as though they were likely to be using tactics of the JIm Crow South, is NOT, "believing that racism existed/exists only in the the South and years gone by".

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Correll you do not understand that of which you speak. Did you even look at any of the links I sent you in my last comment? Those are current day racial discrimination cases and in one case religious bigotry in Connecticut which means the same set of state laws in addition to the federal laws that governed the New Haven, Connecticut Firefighters case also apply in these cases. [/QUOTE]

A case or two of accused discrimination in the same state, does not support your behavior of assuming deep abiding racism in action.


YOU are the one ignorant of whites in the modern time, if you think that we are all out to discriminate against blacks.

They're NOT applying case law and statutes from the southern United States, they're applying Connecticut state laws yet found that many of the same tactics used in the south are the ones that racists use EVERYWHERE there are racists because that's what racists do. There are however more subtle forms or racism including refusing to hold accountable those who violate the law and rights of others. That is a form of racism that can be traced directly to the concept of jury nullification.

The people who's rights were violated in New Haven were the white firefighters who were denied promotions they had earned based on their skin color.


That is what you libs want, as seen by the support that discrimination got from the Dem appointees on the Court.


Blatant anti-white discrimination in order to get equal outcomes regardless of merit, and regardless of the rights or interests of whites.



THAT'S the primary story of racism in America today, and the what the future will be, if you libs get you way.

 

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.Really?

All rise! Class is in session.

Types of Abuse
There are several different types of abuse recognized. Forms of abuse include:1

• Emotional abuse aka Psychological abuse – this type of abuse is likely the most common. Emotional abuse consists of any behavior designed to hurt another person mentally. Psychological abuse includes yelling, threats, shaming, humiliation and shaming, among other tactics.

Understand that white racism has included all of these things.

• Financial abuse – this type of abuse is often seen alongside other forms of abuse. Financial abuse is when one person restricts access to money from another. This type of abuse includes actions like cutting off access to bank accounts, controlling where someone is allowed to work and preventing access to financial information.

Understand that white racism has included all of these things.

• Physical abuse – this form of abuse shows the most outward signs. Physical abuse is also known as domestic abuse or domestic violence when it occurs within intimate relationships. Physical abuse is any physical act or threat of a physical act designed to harm another person physically. This type of abuse includes actions like slapping, punching, hair-pulling and kicking. Physical evidence such as bruises need not exist for the act to be physical abuse.

Understand that white racism has included all of these things.

• Sexual abuse – this type of abuse is often perpetrated against women although men can be victims of sexual abuse too. Sexual abuse includes any unwanted sexual act forced on the victim. This form of abuse is also often known as sexual assault or rape. Sexual abuse can include anything from unwanted touching to forced intercourse or forced sexual contact with another person.

Understand that white racism included this.

• Verbal abuse – verbal abuse is generally a form of psychological abuse. This type of abuse occurs when an abuser uses words and body language with the intent to hurt another person. Verbal abuse includes put-downs, name-calling and unreasonable criticisms.

Understand that white racism has included all of these things.

• Spiritual abuse – spiritual abuse revolves around a person’s spirituality or religion. This type of abuse includes attacking another’s belief system, denying access to a house of worship or forced participation in a cult.

Understand that white racism has included all of these things.

And no, you can't make the clam that blacks have doe the same things to whites. You will, but you'll be lying.

Who is abusing you and how?

You can stop playing your passive aggressive racist game.

Why White People Can't Talk About Racism Effectively
We're socialized to not take the experiences of people of color seriously.

The primary reason white people cannot effectively talk about racism in America is because our initial reaction to racial injustice is to Victim Blame. When it comes to conversations about racism, white people are at a predisposition to blame or not take seriously the most common victims of racism, African Americans. Whenever an issue about racism comes up, instead of acknowledging harm and conceding at least the potential of wrong-doing, we change the subject of investigation upon those who have been harmed. We consider it worse to be called racist or to be accused of demonstrating a racial bias than perpetrating the actual harm of racism. As a result, we shift the burden of proof upon those harmed by racism; they have to prove beyond a reasonable doubt that the action in question was racist by the white standard of racism. It’s a convenient tactic to prevent any productive conversation about racism and race relations by not taking responsibility for our actions at the outset.

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Even so, one also cannot overstate the experience of brutalization and terror that African American people experienced since first stepping off of a boat as slaves in the 17th century. Racism didn’t end with slavery and didn’t end with the Civil Rights Act. No other group was abducted in such massive numbers, enslaved, terrorized, and discriminated against for 400 years as African Americans have been.

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Lastly, white people don’t want to acknowledge the empirical fact of discrimination. Even if you pretend the crimes against African Americans before the Civil Rights Act are unrelated to African American problems today, there is still an abundance of evidence for racism’s existence today. From housing discrimination, red-lining, police brutality, racial profiling, the wage gap, the wealth gap, the college admissions gap, the employment gap, the school to prison pipeline, mass incarceration, and more, you don’t have to be a liberal loon to admit the objective reality of racism against African Americans in the United States of America in 2016, you just have to look at the facts.

Yet still, we don’t even get this far when discussing racism. We’re stuck at the superficial aspects of racism because white people are socialized to think about race in a way that secures white power and perpetuates black disempowerment. White People don’t view “African American” as a valid cultural identity worthy of protection or praise, so any attempt to cherish African American culture or draw attention to how African Americans have been historically brutalized by racism is seen as a method of being “divisive” or “antagonistic.” At the end of the day, we don’t want to admit that African Americans are discriminated against. We’ll blame them for their problems long before admitting White People had a hand in creating and perpetuating racism even to this day.

If we want to build a more harmonious and benevolent society in which all citizens can participate fully in the benefits of being an American, we have got to stop blaming African Americans for their problems. We also have to recognize the validity of African American Culture as an equally authentic niche of American Culture, just as Scottish Americans, Italian Americans, Indian Americans, Latin Americans, German Americans, and English Americans have an authentic niche in the Salad Bowl that is American Culture. Most Importantly, we have to acknowledge the empirical reality of systemic racism against African Americans; though other forms of discrimination against other races exist, African Americans are the main race victimized by racism.

Why White People Can't Talk About Racism Effectively

Why can't you ever answer questions? Because you have no true answers.

I answered your question. But you are dumb. You asked me a stupid question because you want to victim blame and deny things. Everything this article mentions you do. Specifically this one:

Lastly, white people don’t want to acknowledge the empirical fact of discrimination. Even if you pretend the crimes against African Americans before the Civil Rights Act are unrelated to African American problems today, there is still an abundance of evidence for racism’s existence today. From housing discrimination, red-lining, police brutality, racial profiling, the wage gap, the wealth gap, the college admissions gap, the employment gap, the school to prison pipeline, mass incarceration, and more, you don’t have to be a liberal loon to admit the objective reality of racism against African Americans in the United States of America in 2016, you just have to look at the facts.

That's why you asked those questions.
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You arent being abused, thats why you wont answer. All you are capable of doing is cutting and pasting from the internet, not showing that you have suffered. You do complain alot about racism. Racism has not ended, i doubt it ever will, but you call virtually ever white poster on here a racist, you are a liar.

You are truly a stupid person Molly. I am 57 years old. In my life I have endured every abuse on that list, except sexual abuse, from whites. Every black person living in America can say the same thing. Your favorite black conservatives included. In all cases of abuse, the person who has been abused develops ways of dealing with it. They are called coping mechanisms. Whites like you would call this getting past racism.. But no one gets past racism, we learn how to cope with it. Your favorite black conservative is practicing a maladaptive way of coping with racism. And you guys just go along and support a person mentally self destructing, you guys tell us that's who we need to be like. I don't know why I'm trying to explain this to you because you don't understand a word but at least I tried.

You see Molly, all you do here is try telling us how whites are getting screwed and how backs are just as racist. Your example to newsvbine for example. Here you say you have heard that blacks don't like you because you are white and that A black person said blacks were superior. So in your mind these are the same things as a system created by whites where they control the resources and information to the extent of enforcing their belief in white supremacy. We as blacks do not look at racism as you do. YOU appear to only see it as an individual act, we see it as a system. One black psi saying that blacks are superior is not the same as a 5-4 supreme court decision that erases provisions of the voting rights act. It is not the same as a 6-1 city council vote by whites on a council denying resources to community organizations that serve the black community.

" For example, in 2008, for the first time in history, the black voter turnout rate nearly equaled that of whites, and the turnout of voters of all races making less than $15,000 nearly doubled. “While the number of whites who voted remained roughly the same as it had been in the 2004 election,” she says, “two million more African Americans, two million additional Hispanics, and 600,000 more Asians cast their ballots in 2008.”

The GOP, “trapped between a demographically declining support base and an ideological straitjacket . . . reached for a tried and true weapon: disfranchisement.” Anderson notes that despite the rarity of voter fraud, state after state began requiring voters to have documents such as bank statements, utility bills and W-2 forms, which African Americans, Latinos, the young and other economically disadvantaged people are less likely than others to possess.

Then, in 2013 the Supreme Court voted 5 to 4 to strike down a key part of the Voting Rights Act that for decades had protected African Americans from blatant disfranchisement. Since the ruling, 22 states have passed voter-restriction statutes. Anderson also argues that white resistance to the Supreme Court’s landmark Brown v. Board of Education decision explains why, six decades later, black children largely remain trapped in segregated and unequal schools."

Is white rage driving our racial divide?

A black person telling you they don't like you because you are white is not the same thing as this. Your feelings are hurt, but your life is not impacted in the manner as having to face things like this. If white racism was just a .a white person telling me that blacks suck, It wouldn't matter. But it's not, its involves far more than that. And you need to learn the difference.

And molly, what's he name of this section of USMB? So why are you whining about how I am complaining about race? You don't do this to whites here, so then why are you now so suddenly concerned with someone discussing race in the race and racism section of a forum?

 

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Respect goes both ways chump. Katsteve is no child. And you are hiding behind a computer just as much as everyone else here. You seem to think that if you said the crap you say here to a black mans face the response would not be justified. Katsteve isn't unreasonable you are. And I certainly hope you aren't ruining those black kids lives by telling them how racism is over. What can you teach a black kid about avoiding racist situations? Nothing. What tools can you provide a black id to help them get beyond such a situation based on your experiences? None. You'll tell them it's a thing of the past, they'll get into a racist situation trusting the whites around him who are about to do him harm because you taught him a Iie and you are asking somebody when did they teach a white kid to catch a fucking baseball.

YOU command no respect from blacks. It's YOUR attitude. You are no ones father here. We are all grown ass men, you will be addressed by grown men in the way the grown man chooses to address you. Katsteve is almost 60 . This is the attitude I'm talking about. You racists seem to think we are all destitute blacks who are blaming whites for our failures. What I have accomplished, you can't touch. .Yet to you racists if we talk about our accomplishments we get the dumb ass white racist lectures about how we don't have the right to talk about racism because whitey has not held us down. You motherfuckers will look for any out to deny the personal responsibility you have to fix the damage your racism has caused..

Whites like you live by double standards. Trump, a rich man, was elected president because he was supposed to be the one fighting for the not so rich. What does he have to complain about he's rich, nothing stopped him, so why should he complain? You racists never ask yourselves that, so don't start that shit with us. You guys whine about not getting things because if affirmative action, but you never tell yourselves how you are just whining and blaming blacks for your failures. If you can't do that for yourselves, don't bring that bullshit to us. Get it?

You are NOT a grown ass man. You come on this board, showing your immaturity and your stupidity. What you post sounds like things a fifteen year old would say. You could be 50 and still not "grown."

There is not a swinging Richard on this board with white skin that hasn't experienced racism. Having to read your drivel is a testament to that fact. You're the original whiner here.

Now, if I had a personal issue with you, I'd PM you and tell you so. If I felt the need to call you N word, I'd do it and I'd do it in PM. And I'd make it easy for you. I'd say, name the time and place. It would be done in private, without fanfare or dragging moderators, the posters, etc. into the fray. It would be between two people.

For that reason, I don't start my posts as you do, calling people names, talking down to them, and accusing them of being racists, etc. I don't pretend to be superior to them by telling them they don't understand racism.

Finally, I'll talk Trump. I voted for the man as the lesser of two evils. I've called my own race out because they insist on calling foreigners "illegal aliens" when they really want to call them sand nI44ers, mud people or some other term. I would have more respect for them if they did. The white race is so freaking stupid that they don't understand that calling people "illegal aliens" invites the legal community to nullify the concept of a presumption of innocence / innocent until proven guilty. They want to argue laws they don't understand; they want to argue with people that are telling them, from working experience, WHY their legal arguments are failing. So, don't bother trying to weigh me on the basis of all you white people are alike (which is a racist postulate no matter how you spin it.) I'm not for Trump's wall and I'm not for allowing people like you to bully whites around with standing up to you and exposing you.

There is no white person who has experienced racism. Not one. Fact. No one here has said all whites are alike, You and those like you assume that even after we specifically state that we are referring to whites who are racists. Bullying whites? Have you lost your mind? I looked at the first 4 pages of this section and there are at least 115 different threads about blacks by whites, all of them racist. You make no sense You don't know anything about racism. Does that make me superior? No, but you want to make up racism as you go along. You don't get to do that.

I am a grown ass man and I choose to communicate how I want. You want intelligent insightful conversation, then you bring insightful thought to the conversation. For racism is the belief in the superiority of your race, not saying that there are whites who are still practicing racism. YOU and others never say there are some blacks who use racism as an excuse for their personal failings, it's ALL BLACKS are doing so. But you don't think that's racist. We who are here all must be dumb destitute black failures mad because whitey won't give us "free" money. I find it funny and disgusting that you, an old white man born during segregation, a person who benefitted directly from legalized racism dare comment to us about feeling entitled.

So you can try calling yourself standing up all you want. But the champ is here and it ain't you.

So you're the champ? You're king of the Internet. Let the "old man" school you

1) The United States Supreme Court DISAGREES with you. In 1978 the high Court struck down racial quotas in college admissions. In order for them to do that, people had to face discrimination - and reverse discrimination DID happen and it was found to be unconstitutional

2) I once witnessed a case back in the day wherein a couple of Kluxers got into a spat with an inter-racial couple and a melee broke out. The white chick got into the thick of it and SHE was the one who had drawn the ire of the Kluxers. So your phony B.S. claim was that a white girl who was referred to as a N word lover was not a victim of racism?

3) While non-whites are still the numerical minority, blacks are more likely to murder a white than vice versa. But you operate under this mythical assumption that black people cannot be racist

4) Doctors are more likely to prescribe oipoids to whites than blacks. They operate under the assumption that white people have better insurance, etc. Doctors also prescribe SSRIs to whites more times than to blacks and, as a consequence, whites pretty well dominate the category of mass shootings (since homicidal and suicidal tendencies are known side effects of those drugs. A very subtle form of genocide is being committed on whites and yes, that IS racism

5) Your very comments show that you are a bigot and a racist. You claim I benefited off some supposed era where the whites got it all. The honest truth is, I grew up in an era where many whites were locked out of the job market and went on welfare. My mother ended up on welfare and one day my mother scratched up enough money to go to another state and live in one of our relative's shacks. Told you what that was really like. At about seven or so, one of my relatives bought me a Mountain Dew. That was my first soda in my life. At 14, I ran away from home and started making my own life.

I NEVER benefited off you nor did the color of my skin help me one iota. When racial quotas came along, a few months before the Bakke ruling came along, I DID lose my job due to the union's rules having to hire more black people. Unlike you, I did not get my boxers in a bunch and go off on a tangent. I lived in a mobile home that winter with two other guys that were unemployed. Most of the time we didn't have money for food or kerosene to put in the heater - and with us, we never considered the racial angle. Politics was out my league that year.

The last job I got, I was hired because the employer perceived me to be Hispanic; I did change my name because I've been pursued by white nationalists for quite some time. They don't like constructive criticism any more than you do. BTW, in a county that is 75 percent white, it is inconceivable that you would have over 85 percent of a company's employees being black - and no racism involved. But, I will say to you what I've said to the white racists. Unless an employer is beholden to the government (i.e. a government loan to get into business), then I strongly feel it is the owner's Right to hire whomever he or she wants... even if it is an all black staff.

But, I dismiss you as both a racist and a bigot as do most people here. You aren't the only person who can address the issue from an experience POV. And, if you want the insults to be nasty and public, then you are immature.

All rise! Class is in session.

* Whites are 6 times as likely to be murdered by another white person as by a black person; and overall, the percentage of white Americans who will be murdered by a black offender in a given year is only 2/10,000ths of 1 percent (0.0002). This means that only 1 in every 500,000 white people will be murdered by a black person in a given year. Although the numbers of black-on-white homicides are higher than the reverse (447 to 218 in 2010), the 218 black victims of white murderers is actually a higher percentage of the black population interracially killed than the 447 white victims of black murderers as a percentage of the white population. In fact, any given black person is 2.75 times as likely to be murdered by a white person as any given white person is to be murdered by an African American.

Race, Crime and Statistical Malpractice: How the Right Manipulates White Fear With Bogus Data

Your number 4 ignores racism in medical care to claim white victimhood.. Let me show you.

"Doctors are more likely to prescribe oipoids to whites than blacks. They operate under the assumption that white people have better insurance, etc. Doctors also prescribe SSRIs to whites more times than to blacks and, as a consequence, whites pretty well dominate the category of mass shootings (since homicidal and suicidal tendencies are known side effects of those drugs. A very subtle form of genocide is being committed on whites and yes, that IS racism."

Something like 5 percent of all doctors are black. This means that white doctors are the ones primarily prescribing the drugs to whites. If there is any genocide it's whites doing themselves in .That is not racism. This is the type of thing I mean when I say whites like you do not understand. That white girl is not the victim of racism, elitism maybe, but not racism.

To your number 5. You are in your late 60's in your 70's or older. You were born during segregation. You had rights blacks did not have.

Now allow me to talk about the Bakke case. In that case there were 100 seats in the Cal medical school. 84 were reserved for whites. So explain how 84seats out of 100 is racial discrimination against whites. Show me a case where a black person can cry about being discriminated against when 84 seats are reserved for that black person out of 100 possible seats. That case was an example of white backlash.

OBTW SCOTUS upheld Affirmative Action in this case. There is no such thing as reverse discrimination.

Racial quotas existed by law in the US from July 4th 1776 until Johnson issued that order. The quota was 100 percent white, 0 for everyone else. But you don't see that as a quota. You talk about losing a job because the union rules said they had to hire blacks. Why was that HUMONE? Can you explain to all the good people why a union in the 1970's had such rules? You couldn't play the racial angle Humone because the reason why the union had that rule was because the company you were with had not been following the law and was still practicing racial discrimination.

You can't accurately speak to what racism is after you think it's racism when you ignore the real racism in how doctors assume blacks don't have insurance and cry racism about a profession that is 95 percent white giving opioids to whites. That white doctors giving whites opioids that are killing them is not racism. .You hurl words around like bigot and racist at me, but you can't produce one racist quote I have ever said.

I don't ask for the insults to be nasty and pubic, but you don't get to call me a racist or bigot and think you are not making nasty public comments Maturity is simply knowing oneself. If you are 70 pus years old playing teenage games talking about someone being mature or not, then you have problems. You don't get to tone police old man. So as long as you bring your racist white attitude, you will be dealt with.

Seventy years old??? Well, your statistics are just as terrible as your ability to follow the signs. You are correct about one thing, however. The person that gets into a pissing match with you is going up a teenager and playing their game. It's pretty bad if someone of 70 can bet to go up against you and best you in any test of physical prowess you choose.

Now, all of us can play statistical prestidigitation, but at the end of the day, when you take a city like Chicago that is run virtually by an all black leadership, the statistics seem to point into a new direction.

As for numbers, Whites are almost 77 percent of this nation's population. Blacks are less than 13 percent. Now let us wave this little wand and presto. Hispanics are considered, by the government, to be an ethnicity as opposed to a "race." The bulk of those people are then categorized as whites. AND a lot of people classify Jews as whites, with a lot of whites claiming Jews are not white.

In the end, whites get the blame for a lot of foreigners who just happen to be "white." For all the jockeying that is being done some of you forget that you were arguing about George Zimmerman. His arrest record will always read his race as "white."

When statisticians want to argue stats, they will go to great lengths to prove their point. For instance, tell this to Trump supporters:

"If natural-born citizens were incarcerated at the same rate as undocumented immigrants, "about 893,000 fewer natives would be incarcerated," read the study. Similarly, if native citizens were incarcerated at the same rate as documented immigrants, 1.4 million fewer would be in prison"

Reports find that immigrants commit less crime than US-born citizens

It both naive and dishonest for you to claim that the opioid epidemic is anything less than racism. Look at the facts:

Virtually all mass shooters (save of political jihadists) are white; they are young males; they come from poor - one parent homes. AND what I said about doctors, got that tidbit from doctors.

"Something that we do know is that doctors prescribe narcotics more cautiously to their non-white patients. It would seem that if the patient is black, the doctor is more concerned about the patient becoming addicted, or maybe they're more concerned about the patient selling their pills, or maybe they are less concerned about pain in that population. But the black patient is less likely to be prescribed narcotics, and therefore less likely to wind up becoming addicted to the medication. So what I believe is happening is that racial stereotyping is having a protective effect on non-white populations."

Why Is The Opioid Epidemic Overwhelmingly White?

I would dismantle the balance of your argument, but the fact that you've read my posts and place my age at 70 shows that you are not qualified to extrapolate my age within even a decade.

But, you will always remain a legend in your own mind.

All rise! Class is in session!

Chicago is not run by virtually all black leadership. The facts

How Chicago's White Donor Class Distorts City Policy

Chicago’s 2015 mayoral race was one of the most expensive in the nation’s history, with big donors playing an outsized role in financing both candidates’ campaigns. In fact, over 90 percent of the money raised by the two major candidates came from donors giving more than $1,000, and more than half (52%) came from donors outside of the city.[1] Both the Chicago mayoral and council elections are primarily financed by white, male donors who don’t reflect the racial and class diversity of the city’s residents. The experience in Chicago is emblematic of national elections, where a small cadre of white major donors—.01 percent—accounted for over 40 percent of all campaign contributions.[2] New research provides disturbing evidence that the financing of our elections by a small group of big donors has very real consequences in terms of the public policies that get enacted.[3] In fact, when the preferences of the donor class diverge with those of the average voter, it is the donor class’s preferences that win. But donors and voters don’t always agree. For example, while 34% of non-donors living in Chicago support the Bowles-Simpson austerity plan, 62% of Chicago donors do. The preferences of the white, male and rich donor class diverge strongly from ordinary Chicagoans but it’s their agenda that’s being implemented.

More.

• The 2015 mayoral election was dominated by big money, with candidates raising more than 92% of their funds from donors giving $1,000 or more.

• These big donors are disproportionately white. Though whites make up 39% of the population of Chicago, they make up 88% of donors giving more than $1,000. While only 6% of Emanuel’s donors were people of color, 39% of Garcia’s donors were.

• Chicago donors are overwhelmingly high-income. Though only 15% of Chicagoans make more than $100,000, 63% of donors did and 74% of those giving more than $1,000 did.

• The donor class is more supportive of budget cuts than average Chicagoans and more opposed to policies that would bolster opportunity.

• In the council races there were also deep disparities. In these races, 79% of donors were men, 82% were white and 54% had an income over $100,000.

• Only five overwhelmingly white wards accounted for 13 percent of Chicago’s population, but 42 percent of donors to the Chicago mayoral and aldermanic races.

More.

CONCLUSION
Chicago’s democracy is being distorted by an overwhelmingly, white, wealthy and male donor class.

How Chicago's White Donor Class Distorts City Policy

You said you were older than katsteve and he's into his 60's. .And it's really unwise for you to make claims of being able to physically out do people you know nothing about.

Third, America has a history, and that history shows that whites have been the most violent and criminal race since this nation was established until this very moment.

Last, 95 percent of the doctors are white. So what your paragraph shows is that the racism practiced by white doctors against black patients has come back to bite whites in the ass. You can't dismantle my argument. That's why you didn't.

 

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You insulted me with a serious insult, based on your assumptions.

And how has that harmed you? What are your damages? Has my comment lowered the esteem in which you were previously held on the US Message Board's thread on America Says Yes That Blacks Are More Racists Than Whites? Or within your family? Among your friends, neighbors, co-workers? How in the hell has my opinion, truthful and accurate as it may be, harmed you?

Lack of personal harm does not excuse rude behavior, AND such easy, reflexive use of false accusations of racism, is causing great harm to this nation, tearing it apart actually.

I will not let it pass unchallenged.

I must of missed that bolded, red portions in your long, rambling posts.

So it's my fault that you have the attention span of a gnat? Are you ready to concede I did not call you a "vile name" that you just misunderstood my comment yet you continue to call me names? Drama queen? Really?

YOu did call me a vile name. That I did not respond to a buried question, that included the option, being less qualified, does not justify your name calling.

Pointing out, incorrectly, that you were judging New Haven Conn, based as though they were likely to be using tactics of the JIm Crow South, is NOT, "believing that racism existed/exists only in the the South and years gone by".

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Correll you do not understand that of which you speak. Did you even look at any of the links I sent you in my last comment? Those are current day racial discrimination cases and in one case religious bigotry in Connecticut which means the same set of state laws in addition to the federal laws that governed the New Haven, Connecticut Firefighters case also apply in these cases. [/QUOTE]

A case or two of accused discrimination in the same state, does not support your behavior of assuming deep abiding racism in action.


YOU are the one ignorant of whites in the modern time, if you think that we are all out to discriminate against blacks.

They're NOT applying case law and statutes from the southern United States, they're applying Connecticut state laws yet found that many of the same tactics used in the south are the ones that racists use EVERYWHERE there are racists because that's what racists do. There are however more subtle forms or racism including refusing to hold accountable those who violate the law and rights of others. That is a form of racism that can be traced directly to the concept of jury nullification.

The people who's rights were violated in New Haven were the white firefighters who were denied promotions they had earned based on their skin color.


That is what you libs want, as seen by the support that discrimination got from the Dem appointees on the Court.


Blatant anti-white discrimination in order to get equal outcomes regardless of merit, and regardless of the rights or interests of whites.



THAT'S the primary story of racism in America today, and the what the future will be, if you libs get you way.[/QUOTE]

There is no blatant anti white discrimination.

 

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.Generations of whites trying to help? LOL!

.So tell me Cornholio, what were blacks dong for all these generations?

Being vastly outnumbered.

Lucking for them, whites voted for and endured generations of AA, and associated programs.


For how much longer?

.Whites like you have done nothing consistently for generations but be racists.

Liar.

Not really. It's all you do.

You are a liar and a race baiting piece of shit.

Nah, I'm not lying and the only race baiter here is you.

 

[IM2]

Something I read on an other page on this thread...Whites may have once been slave owners, but whites also fought and died to set blacks FREE. Whites are neurotic as hell. Blacks, well they can be too. Racism, schmasim. Get over it. Lets put the POST in POST racial, kiddoes.

Whites did not die to set blacks free. Blacks had much more do with our freedom than whites did. .After all there was that 100 years after slavery when blacks still had no rights. So until those like you stop being racists, there is no post. Racism is a form of abuse, go study what every type of abuse does to people, then come back and talk..

James Reeb - Wikipedia

Jonathan Daniels - Wikipedia

Viola Liuzzo - Wikipedia

Bruce W. Klunder - Wikipedia

Andrew Goodman - Wikipedia

Michael Schwerner - Wikipedia

Fuck you, you ungrateful piece of crap.

You have a computer and access to all the same facts. You live in a deluded dream world the rest of us don't share.

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Yep, I have all the facts. That's the problem. You don't have any...The rest of us is who? You and the other 3 racists here?

I have two words for you-BYE BYE.

Is gollum really gone? That would be great.

 

[MizMolly]

Who is abusing you and how?

You can stop playing your passive aggressive racist game.

Why White People Can't Talk About Racism Effectively
We're socialized to not take the experiences of people of color seriously.

The primary reason white people cannot effectively talk about racism in America is because our initial reaction to racial injustice is to Victim Blame. When it comes to conversations about racism, white people are at a predisposition to blame or not take seriously the most common victims of racism, African Americans. Whenever an issue about racism comes up, instead of acknowledging harm and conceding at least the potential of wrong-doing, we change the subject of investigation upon those who have been harmed. We consider it worse to be called racist or to be accused of demonstrating a racial bias than perpetrating the actual harm of racism. As a result, we shift the burden of proof upon those harmed by racism; they have to prove beyond a reasonable doubt that the action in question was racist by the white standard of racism. It’s a convenient tactic to prevent any productive conversation about racism and race relations by not taking responsibility for our actions at the outset.

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Even so, one also cannot overstate the experience of brutalization and terror that African American people experienced since first stepping off of a boat as slaves in the 17th century. Racism didn’t end with slavery and didn’t end with the Civil Rights Act. No other group was abducted in such massive numbers, enslaved, terrorized, and discriminated against for 400 years as African Americans have been.

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Lastly, white people don’t want to acknowledge the empirical fact of discrimination. Even if you pretend the crimes against African Americans before the Civil Rights Act are unrelated to African American problems today, there is still an abundance of evidence for racism’s existence today. From housing discrimination, red-lining, police brutality, racial profiling, the wage gap, the wealth gap, the college admissions gap, the employment gap, the school to prison pipeline, mass incarceration, and more, you don’t have to be a liberal loon to admit the objective reality of racism against African Americans in the United States of America in 2016, you just have to look at the facts.

Yet still, we don’t even get this far when discussing racism. We’re stuck at the superficial aspects of racism because white people are socialized to think about race in a way that secures white power and perpetuates black disempowerment. White People don’t view “African American” as a valid cultural identity worthy of protection or praise, so any attempt to cherish African American culture or draw attention to how African Americans have been historically brutalized by racism is seen as a method of being “divisive” or “antagonistic.” At the end of the day, we don’t want to admit that African Americans are discriminated against. We’ll blame them for their problems long before admitting White People had a hand in creating and perpetuating racism even to this day.

If we want to build a more harmonious and benevolent society in which all citizens can participate fully in the benefits of being an American, we have got to stop blaming African Americans for their problems. We also have to recognize the validity of African American Culture as an equally authentic niche of American Culture, just as Scottish Americans, Italian Americans, Indian Americans, Latin Americans, German Americans, and English Americans have an authentic niche in the Salad Bowl that is American Culture. Most Importantly, we have to acknowledge the empirical reality of systemic racism against African Americans; though other forms of discrimination against other races exist, African Americans are the main race victimized by racism.

Why White People Can't Talk About Racism Effectively

Why can't you ever answer questions? Because you have no true answers.

I answered your question. But you are dumb. You asked me a stupid question because you want to victim blame and deny things. Everything this article mentions you do. Specifically this one:

Lastly, white people don’t want to acknowledge the empirical fact of discrimination. Even if you pretend the crimes against African Americans before the Civil Rights Act are unrelated to African American problems today, there is still an abundance of evidence for racism’s existence today. From housing discrimination, red-lining, police brutality, racial profiling, the wage gap, the wealth gap, the college admissions gap, the employment gap, the school to prison pipeline, mass incarceration, and more, you don’t have to be a liberal loon to admit the objective reality of racism against African Americans in the United States of America in 2016, you just have to look at the facts.

That's why you asked those questions.
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You arent being abused, thats why you wont answer. All you are capable of doing is cutting and pasting from the internet, not showing that you have suffered. You do complain alot about racism. Racism has not ended, i doubt it ever will, but you call virtually ever white poster on here a racist, you are a liar.

You are truly a stupid person Molly. I am 57 years old. In my life I have endured every abuse on that list, except sexual abuse, from whites. Every black person living in America can say the same thing. Your favorite black conservatives included. In all cases of abuse, the person who has been abused develops ways of dealing with it. They are called coping mechanisms. Whites like you would call this getting past racism.. But no one gets past racism, we learn how to cope with it. Your favorite black conservative is practicing a maladaptive way of coping with racism. And you guys just go along and support a person mentally self destructing, you guys tell us that's who we need to be like. I don't know why I'm trying to explain this to you because you don't understand a word but at least I tried.

You see Molly, all you do here is try telling us how whites are getting screwed and how backs are just as racist. Your example to newsvbine for example. Here you say you have heard that blacks don't like you because you are white and that A black person said blacks were superior. So in your mind these are the same things as a system created by whites where they control the resources and information to the extent of enforcing their belief in white supremacy. We as blacks do not look at racism as you do. YOU appear to only see it as an individual act, we see it as a system. One black psi saying that blacks are superior is not the same as a 5-4 supreme court decision that erases provisions of the voting rights act. It is not the same as a 6-1 city council vote by whites on a council denying resources to community organizations that serve the black community.

" For example, in 2008, for the first time in history, the black voter turnout rate nearly equaled that of whites, and the turnout of voters of all races making less than $15,000 nearly doubled. “While the number of whites who voted remained roughly the same as it had been in the 2004 election,” she says, “two million more African Americans, two million additional Hispanics, and 600,000 more Asians cast their ballots in 2008.”

The GOP, “trapped between a demographically declining support base and an ideological straitjacket . . . reached for a tried and true weapon: disfranchisement.” Anderson notes that despite the rarity of voter fraud, state after state began requiring voters to have documents such as bank statements, utility bills and W-2 forms, which African Americans, Latinos, the young and other economically disadvantaged people are less likely than others to possess.

Then, in 2013 the Supreme Court voted 5 to 4 to strike down a key part of the Voting Rights Act that for decades had protected African Americans from blatant disfranchisement. Since the ruling, 22 states have passed voter-restriction statutes. Anderson also argues that white resistance to the Supreme Court’s landmark Brown v. Board of Education decision explains why, six decades later, black children largely remain trapped in segregated and unequal schools."

Is white rage driving our racial divide?

A black person telling you they don't like you because you are white is not the same thing as this. Your feelings are hurt, but your life is not impacted in the manner as having to face things like this. If white racism was just a .a white person telling me that blacks suck, It wouldn't matter. But it's not, its involves far more than that. And you need to learn the difference.

And molly, what's he name of this section of USMB? So why are you whining about how I am complaining about race? You don't do this to whites here, so then why are you now so suddenly concerned with someone discussing race in the race and racism section of a forum?

More lies. Pointing out the truth isnt whining.i never said i expected or wanted anything. You being 57 means nothing. I am older than you, so what? Are you now, in this century, being abused? You are the whiner, expecting things that you havent earned,