Are Blacks More Racist Than Whites? Most Americans Say Yes

[IM2]

What does this rambling, disjointed response have to do with what I stated to you? You still never answered my question.


Where did I ever state that I was "entitled" to anything or any "special treatment"?

Point out where I used a single "racial slur". If you can.

Its obvious that you have probably addressed a few groups....that likely share your affliction with senility.

Lastly, as a tax paying citizen who was born here, i will leave iI I choose to.

That is not for you to determine. So stay in your lane....Grandpa.

A hundred dollars says that anything you do physically, I can do better. Grandpa? You would rather poke butter up a wild cat's ass with a red hot poker than go up against me. You pick the physically activity. Might be some snow on the roof top, but plenty of fire in the furnace.

If you'd like to threaten me, like I tell all the people who say silly shit they won't say to a man's face. Unless you're uncouth, such talk belongs in a PM. But, we can all judge your IQ and maturity by your responses.

You are being judged by your previous conversations with other posters AND, unfortunately, by comments made by people like IM2 and another bigot that shares your sentiment. Now, no matter what white people say, you have them all figured out. Most likely, they could kiss your ass, grovel at your feet, tell them about how many blacks are in their family and how much they love them...

They might tell you about their trials and tribulations like having been called names or their house spray painted... of a cross burned in their yard, and you'd probably have some smart ass commentary that implies you've had it rougher than they did.

I don't give a fuck what you think about me personally. I've sweated more sweat, bled more blood and had it one Hell of a lot harder than you. And, unlike you, I have been a DFACS asset for a few years now. What have YOU done? Have you ever changed a white kid's diaper? Have you ever had a white baby puke on you? Have you ever taught a white kid how to catch a ball for the first time or take them to a fair for their first time?

And when you were growing up did you live in a house without electricity or water? Did the school you went to have an outhouse? Did they fix your meals on coal stoves and you went out in the snow and collected a bucket of coal while at school?

When you grew up were you ever tortured and beaten? Did anyone put cigarettes out on your body?

You never know the road the other guy traveled. But, you think of me any way you like. Your generation plays on the computer saying shit online that, in my state, constitutes "fighting words" and is a crime. AND if you said them to a stranger and they felt intimidated, whatever they did to you would be legally excusable.

Your generation has the Internet and anonymity. But, I'll tell you right now, like I told the last guy who spewed as much stupidity as you:

If Uncle Scam sends me kids that are as disrespectful as you, I reason with them. If they don't respond to reasoning, they are usually convinced when a leather strap goes across their ass and they're held accountable for being that disrespectful.

You command NO respect from whites. It's your attitude. That "grandpa" remark is one that if your parents wouldn't embarrassed that you said, would address the real reason this country still has this much chaos every time we try to discuss the issue. If they wouldn't spank you for the way you act here, that says more than if I spend another 100 paragraphs on this thread. Good Day and if you have any class, let's just part ways... barring that, you may want to act your age and not your IQ by posting personal commentary in a PM.

Respect goes both ways chump. Katsteve is no child. And you are hiding behind a computer just as much as everyone else here. You seem to think that if you said the crap you say here to a back mans face the response would not be justified. Katsteve isn't unreasonable you are. And I certainly hope you aren't ruining those black kids lives by telling them how racism is over. What can you teach a black kid about avoiding racist situations? Nothing. What tools can you provide a black id to help them get beyond such a situation based on your experiences? None. You'll tell them it's a thing of the past, they'll get into a racist situation trusting the whites around him who are about to do him harm because you taught him a Iie and you are asking somebody when did they teach a white kid to catch a fucking baseball.

YOU command no respect from blacks. It's YOUR attitude. You are no ones father here. We are all grown ass men, you will be addressed by grown men in the way the grown man chooses to address you. Katsteve is almost 60 . This is the attitude I'm talking about. You racists seem to think we are all destitute blacks who are blaming whites for our failures. What I have accomplished, you can't touch. .Yet to you racists if we talk about our accomplishments we get the dumb ass white racist lectures about how we don't have the right to talk about racism because whitey has not held us down. You motherfuckers will look for any out to deny the personal responsibility you have to fix the damage your racism has caused..

Whites like you live by double standards. Trump, a rich man, was elected president because he was supposed to be the one fighting for the not so rich. What does he have to complain about he's rich, nothing stopped him, so why should he complain? You racists never ask yourselves that, so don't start that shit with us. You guys whine about not getting things because if affirmative action, but you never tell yourselves how you are just whining and blaming blacks for your failures. If you can't do that for yourselves, don't bring that bullshit to us. Get it?

You are NOT a grown ass man. You come on this board, showing your immaturity and your stupidity. What you post sounds like things a fifteen year old would say. You could be 50 and still not "grown."

There is not a swinging Richard on this board with white skin that hasn't experienced racism. Having to read your drivel is a testament to that fact. You're the original whiner here.

Now, if I had a personal issue with you, I'd PM you and tell you so. If I felt the need to call you N word, I'd do it and I'd do it in PM. And I'd make it easy for you. I'd say, name the time and place. It would be done in private, without fanfare or dragging moderators, the posters, etc. into the fray. It would be between two people.

For that reason, I don't start my posts as you do, calling people names, talking down to them, and accusing them of being racists, etc. I don't pretend to be superior to them by telling them they don't understand racism.

Finally, I'll talk Trump. I voted for the man as the lesser of two evils. I've called my own race out because they insist on calling foreigners "illegal aliens" when they really want to call them sand nI44ers, mud people or some other term. I would have more respect for them if they did. The white race is so freaking stupid that they don't understand that calling people "illegal aliens" invites the legal community to nullify the concept of a presumption of innocence / innocent until proven guilty. They want to argue laws they don't understand; they want to argue with people that are telling them, from working experience, WHY their legal arguments are failing. So, don't bother trying to weigh me on the basis of all you white people are alike (which is a racist postulate no matter how you spin it.) I'm not for Trump's wall and I'm not for allowing people like you to bully whites around with standing up to you and exposing you.

There is no white person who has experienced racism. Not one. Fact. No one here has said all whites are alike, You and those like you assume that even after we specifically state that we are referring to whites who are racists. Bullying whites? Have you lost your mind? I looked at the first 4 pages of this section and there are at least 115 different threads about blacks by whites, all of them racist. You make no sense You don't know anything about racism. Does that make me superior? No, but you want to make up racism as you go along. You don't get to do that.

I am a grown ass man and I choose to communicate how I want. You want intelligent insightful conversation, then you bring insightful thought to the conversation. For racism is the belief in the superiority of your race, not saying that there are whites who are still practicing racism. YOU and others never say there are some blacks who use racism as an excuse for their personal failings, it's ALL BLACKS are doing so. But you don't think that's racist. We who are here all must be dumb destitute black failures mad because whitey won't give us "free" money. I find it funny and disgusting that you, an old white man born during segregation, a person who benefitted directly from legalized racism dare comment to us about feeling entitled.

So you can try calling yourself standing up all you want. But the champ is here and it ain't you.

So you're the champ? You're king of the Internet. Let the "old man" school you

1) The United States Supreme Court DISAGREES with you. In 1978 the high Court struck down racial quotas in college admissions. In order for them to do that, people had to face discrimination - and reverse discrimination DID happen and it was found to be unconstitutional

2) I once witnessed a case back in the day wherein a couple of Kluxers got into a spat with an inter-racial couple and a melee broke out. The white chick got into the thick of it and SHE was the one who had drawn the ire of the Kluxers. So your phony B.S. claim was that a white girl who was referred to as a N word lover was not a victim of racism?

3) While non-whites are still the numerical minority, blacks are more likely to murder a white than vice versa. But you operate under this mythical assumption that black people cannot be racist

4) Doctors are more likely to prescribe oipoids to whites than blacks. They operate under the assumption that white people have better insurance, etc. Doctors also prescribe SSRIs to whites more times than to blacks and, as a consequence, whites pretty well dominate the category of mass shootings (since homicidal and suicidal tendencies are known side effects of those drugs. A very subtle form of genocide is being committed on whites and yes, that IS racism

5) Your very comments show that you are a bigot and a racist. You claim I benefited off some supposed era where the whites got it all. The honest truth is, I grew up in an era where many whites were locked out of the job market and went on welfare. My mother ended up on welfare and one day my mother scratched up enough money to go to another state and live in one of our relative's shacks. Told you what that was really like. At about seven or so, one of my relatives bought me a Mountain Dew. That was my first soda in my life. At 14, I ran away from home and started making my own life.

I NEVER benefited off you nor did the color of my skin help me one iota. When racial quotas came along, a few months before the Bakke ruling came along, I DID lose my job due to the union's rules having to hire more black people. Unlike you, I did not get my boxers in a bunch and go off on a tangent. I lived in a mobile home that winter with two other guys that were unemployed. Most of the time we didn't have money for food or kerosene to put in the heater - and with us, we never considered the racial angle. Politics was out my league that year.

The last job I got, I was hired because the employer perceived me to be Hispanic; I did change my name because I've been pursued by white nationalists for quite some time. They don't like constructive criticism any more than you do. BTW, in a county that is 75 percent white, it is inconceivable that you would have over 85 percent of a company's employees being black - and no racism involved. But, I will say to you what I've said to the white racists. Unless an employer is beholden to the government (i.e. a government loan to get into business), then I strongly feel it is the owner's Right to hire whomever he or she wants... even if it is an all black staff.

But, I dismiss you as both a racist and a bigot as do most people here. You aren't the only person who can address the issue from an experience POV. And, if you want the insults to be nasty and public, then you are immature.

All rise! Class is in session.

* Whites are 6 times as likely to be murdered by another white person as by a black person; and overall, the percentage of white Americans who will be murdered by a black offender in a given year is only 2/10,000ths of 1 percent (0.0002). This means that only 1 in every 500,000 white people will be murdered by a black person in a given year. Although the numbers of black-on-white homicides are higher than the reverse (447 to 218 in 2010), the 218 black victims of white murderers is actually a higher percentage of the black population interracially killed than the 447 white victims of black murderers as a percentage of the white population. In fact, any given black person is 2.75 times as likely to be murdered by a white person as any given white person is to be murdered by an African American.

Race, Crime and Statistical Malpractice: How the Right Manipulates White Fear With Bogus Data

Your number 4 ignores racism in medical care to claim white victimhood.. Let me show you.

"Doctors are more likely to prescribe oipoids to whites than blacks. They operate under the assumption that white people have better insurance, etc. Doctors also prescribe SSRIs to whites more times than to blacks and, as a consequence, whites pretty well dominate the category of mass shootings (since homicidal and suicidal tendencies are known side effects of those drugs. A very subtle form of genocide is being committed on whites and yes, that IS racism."

Something like 5 percent of all doctors are black. This means that white doctors are the ones primarily prescribing the drugs to whites. If there is any genocide it's whites doing themselves in .That is not racism. This is the type of thing I mean when I say whites like you do not understand. That white girl is not the victim of racism, elitism maybe, but not racism.

To your number 5. You are in your late 60's in your 70's or older. You were born during segregation. You had rights blacks did not have.

Now allow me to talk about the Bakke case. In that case there were 100 seats in the Cal medical school. 84 were reserved for whites. So explain how 84seats out of 100 is racial discrimination against whites. Show me a case where a black person can cry about being discriminated against when 84 seats are reserved for that black person out of 100 possible seats. That case was an example of white backlash.

OBTW SCOTUS upheld Affirmative Action in this case. There is no such thing as reverse discrimination.

Racial quotas existed by law in the US from July 4th 1776 until Johnson issued that order. The quota was 100 percent white, 0 for everyone else. But you don't see that as a quota. You talk about losing a job because the union rules said they had to hire blacks. Why was that HUMONE? Can you explain to all the good people why a union in the 1970's had such rules? You couldn't play the racial angle Humone because the reason why the union had that rule was because the company you were with had not been following the law and was still practicing racial discrimination.

You can't accurately speak to what racism is after you think it's racism when you ignore the real racism in how doctors assume blacks don't have insurance and cry racism about a profession that is 95 percent white giving opioids to whites. That white doctors giving whites opioids that are killing them is not racism. .You hurl words around like bigot and racist at me, but you can't produce one racist quote I have ever said.

I don't ask for the insults to be nasty and pubic, but you don't get to call me a racist or bigot and think you are not making nasty public comments Maturity is simply knowing oneself. If you are 70 pus years old playing teenage games talking about someone being mature or not, then you have problems. You don't get to tone police old man. So as long as you bring your racist white attitude, you will be dealt with.

 

[IM2]

We have the present also. Rasmussen data really doesn't count.

No you dont.

We do and its not debateable.

no you dont and i agree

Well white man, when you live black let me know and we can discuss what you have experienced.

"Live black"? The fuck does that even mean?

LOL! Stop faking.

 

[katsteve2012]

What does this rambling, disjointed response have to do with what I stated to you? You still never answered my question.


Where did I ever state that I was "entitled" to anything or any "special treatment"?

Point out where I used a single "racial slur". If you can.

Its obvious that you have probably addressed a few groups....that likely share your affliction with senility.

Lastly, as a tax paying citizen who was born here, i will leave iI I choose to.

That is not for you to determine. So stay in your lane....Grandpa.

A hundred dollars says that anything you do physically, I can do better. Grandpa? You would rather poke butter up a wild cat's ass with a red hot poker than go up against me. You pick the physically activity. Might be some snow on the roof top, but plenty of fire in the furnace.

If you'd like to threaten me, like I tell all the people who say silly shit they won't say to a man's face. Unless you're uncouth, such talk belongs in a PM. But, we can all judge your IQ and maturity by your responses.

You are being judged by your previous conversations with other posters AND, unfortunately, by comments made by people like IM2 and another bigot that shares your sentiment. Now, no matter what white people say, you have them all figured out. Most likely, they could kiss your ass, grovel at your feet, tell them about how many blacks are in their family and how much they love them...

They might tell you about their trials and tribulations like having been called names or their house spray painted... of a cross burned in their yard, and you'd probably have some smart ass commentary that implies you've had it rougher than they did.

I don't give a fuck what you think about me personally. I've sweated more sweat, bled more blood and had it one Hell of a lot harder than you. And, unlike you, I have been a DFACS asset for a few years now. What have YOU done? Have you ever changed a white kid's diaper? Have you ever had a white baby puke on you? Have you ever taught a white kid how to catch a ball for the first time or take them to a fair for their first time?

And when you were growing up did you live in a house without electricity or water? Did the school you went to have an outhouse? Did they fix your meals on coal stoves and you went out in the snow and collected a bucket of coal while at school?

When you grew up were you ever tortured and beaten? Did anyone put cigarettes out on your body?

You never know the road the other guy traveled. But, you think of me any way you like. Your generation plays on the computer saying shit online that, in my state, constitutes "fighting words" and is a crime. AND if you said them to a stranger and they felt intimidated, whatever they did to you would be legally excusable.

Your generation has the Internet and anonymity. But, I'll tell you right now, like I told the last guy who spewed as much stupidity as you:

If Uncle Scam sends me kids that are as disrespectful as you, I reason with them. If they don't respond to reasoning, they are usually convinced when a leather strap goes across their ass and they're held accountable for being that disrespectful.

You command NO respect from whites. It's your attitude. That "grandpa" remark is one that if your parents wouldn't embarrassed that you said, would address the real reason this country still has this much chaos every time we try to discuss the issue. If they wouldn't spank you for the way you act here, that says more than if I spend another 100 paragraphs on this thread. Good Day and if you have any class, let's just part ways... barring that, you may want to act your age and not your IQ by posting personal commentary in a PM.

ROFLMAO! You wrote all of this nonsense and you STILL never answered my questions.

*Where did I state that I am "entitled" to anything, or "deserve special treatment"?

*Where did I use any "racial slurs"?

You cannot point out where I did either.

Yes, I did refer to you as "Grandpa", because YOU referred to me as "Son" first, and you also made it a point to state that you are older than I am.....you may be, but it is more likely that ypu are not by much.

So you got back what you gave in return.

Don't like it? Tough shit.

You asked for it.

As far as the rest of your "meltdown"
I know what it's like to be poor, AND be lawfully marginalized in society, having been around during Jim Crow.

How many times in YOUR lifetime have YOU been denied service in a public establishment necause of your race?

Did you ever watch your parents have urine and feces thrown on them? Or watch family members get sprayed with fire department hoses, then clubbed by rabid cops just for protesting peacefully for the same "American" rights as white citizens?

My guess is NO, you have not. And, If you actually believe that I will reward you with some kind of badge of honor, for cooking on a coal stove and using an outhouse just because you "think" that you deserve it, that is not going to happen. And as far as you supposedly being a foster parent to black children, it's easy to wonder if you are poisoning their minds, judging from how little self control that you have in even an anonymous forum like this

Lastly, it is usually a dead giveaway that a person is in reality a coward, when they start talking about their "physical prowess" on the internet to a total stranger, so you might want to think before you type because false bravado is not very manly.

Now, go change that leaky Depends diaper.

You're whining like a spoiled little infant.

You must have a miserable life if it hasn't taught you that YOU too must earn respect. Just as the white people use the terminology "illegal aliens" against Hispanics instead of calling them mud people, sand n144ers, etc. you do equally revealing things. You listen to the white people talk all around something and you tell them you have them all figured out. Well I'm just as enlightened as you are.

You're known by the company you keep and when you say things as you did in your last two sentences, it says more about your degree of hatred and bigotry than anything. THAT is your answer.

Even if you were "older" than me chronologically, you are nowhere near my league when it comes to experience understanding racial issues. That is why I have openly told you about the weaknesses in my own race's attitude and you can't do it with yours.

Instead of you using any degree of maturity, you talk smack you would never say in public, where people could put a name onto the skeet you spew. Here, you don't have to be accountable and you can talk racist, hate mongering cow dung all day.

As for my physical prowess, let me explain this to you in terminology I doubt you will understand:

When I was a kid when someone talked smack to another one, the whole room went silent, except for the occasional gasp. Well, I am an admitted Luddite and this WWE atmoshphere where blacks and whites spend more time trying to out-jockey the other with insults as opposed to having a civil conversation doesn't entertain me. The WWE is much the same. They spend 90 percent of their time flapping their gums and the other 10 percent pretending to be wrestling.

I presume that people who talk skeet have a personal problem. IF that is the case, I let them know, we can resolve this in private and get back to the conversation on the board. That way, instead of you wanting a face to face, you have the opportunity to tell me to name the time and the place without the fanfare and without moderators banning you. It gives you the best of all worlds.

If you read the posts very carefully, I have never opened with my first posting on a thread with a direct insult at anyone. Neither will I pretend that I'm not aware of the hidden nuances whereby you hide your intolerance for whites. And, while I have been a victim of racism myself, it does not rule my every waking moment. I get laid off a job, get mistreated, or disrespected, I don't let that define me. Black people many times do try to make a life out of a presupposed feeling that they think they have a monopoly on so they can become professional victims.

My own race does it too. I don't take it from them; I don't take it from you. It is what it is no matter what you do to sugar coat it.

Actually, I have a very good life. Been married to the same woman for many years, have a succesful son and daugther and several grandchildren who have been honor students and standout athletes and true friends from diverse backgrounds and all races.

I extend respect to all in return......IF I receive it, but I also DO NOT turn the other cheek if I don't.

Anything and everything that I say here, I have stated in public, and even one on one to white people that I have worked with, been friends with and even allowed inside of my own home.

Now back to what I said to you before:

You still NEVER answered my questions: instead you continue to evade what I have asked directly. Now for the third time.

*Where did I ever state that I am entitled to anything, or deserve special treatment"?

*Where did I use any kind of racial slur"?

*And here is a new question...where can you point out where I have even remotely implied that "I personally hate white people" in general?

Until you answer those questions, I have no choice except to dismiss you as a chronic whiner, who just babbles about nothing.

And as an editorial comment, so far you have posted nothing that makes you appear to be anything that remotely resembles intelligence and maturity.

You may be elderly, but you are far from wise.

The last time you asked me that question, I gave you the answer. Since you didn't understand, let me put in words that most here will be able to understand.

One night before some wrestling matches were to begin taping for tv and there was some serious bad blood in the locker room, Les Thatcher (the local promoter) brought everybody into a conference room and said he knew about the ill feelings some were having. He then said that he would fire anyone who said one of the then prohibited words because he did not want the local tv station to give the program the heave ho.

Jimmy Garvin had the biggest chip on his shoulder that night so when his interview came up, he addressed the guy he was having a personal issue with. He said "your daddy was a dog and your momma was a dog and son I don't have to tell you what that just made you."

Well I've answered your question TWICE. By all means, if you really mean what you said, then say no more. We won't have to address the rest of the posters and we can let them decide for themselves.

I understand DIRECT answers to DIRECT questions. Im not certain how an obscure wrestling match got in your way of answering a few simple questions in the following manner:

Example- "Yes, you did imply that you are entitled to special treatment, because ypu said the following, in this post"_________

Fill in the blank

Get it?

Now, for the 4th time:

*When did I state "that I was entitled to anything or deserved special treatment"?

*When did I use any racial slurs?

*When did I ever imply that I hate white people?

If you provide examples and actual statements that you perceived at such, please post them.

And I will answer....DIRECTLY.

Are we clear?

 

[MaryL]

Something I read on an other page on this thread...Whites may have once been slave owners, but whites also fought and died to set blacks FREE. Whites are neurotic as hell. Blacks, well they can be too. Racism, schmasim. Get over it. Lets put the POST in POST racial, kiddoes.

 

[Cecilie1200]

No you dont.

We do and its not debateable.

no you dont and i agree

Well white man, when you live black let me know and we can discuss what you have experienced.

"Live black"? The fuck does that even mean?

LOL! Stop faking.

In other words, you don't know either. You just like that it fits your "victimhood" mode.

 

[katsteve2012]

You have numerous flaws in your logic. As far as your "personal flaws", I will not be a pompous asshole like you and try to point them out, because I'm fortunate to not even know you.

You have no guilt because you never owned a slave, and I have no gratitude because I have never been a slave.

That's just how it is. Deal with it.

You don't think your life is better because slavery was destroyed as an institution?

My life is what it is because of hhe work that my parents did and the work that I've done.

What about your life? From the way that you appear to think, I could envision you owning a plantation and having slaves.

1. Your implied answer that your life would not be any different if slavery was still a part of American life is absurd. This nation would be very different and the vast majority of people's lives would be the worst for it.


2. Nothing I have said, justifies your smear of me as a plantation owner. YOu are an asshole.

The fact that slavery was abolished even before my Grandfather lived, does not qualify ME or YOU to speculate about what the country would be like if it was still in effect.

Sure it does. People consider alternative courses of actions and likely consequences all the time. It's normal.

In case you did not know it, every black person in America was NOT a slave during that era.

I did know that, and it doesn't change my position that America and the vast majority of American lives would be worse if slavery was still being practiced in America today.

If you are so sensitive about being "smeared", maybe you should not be such an "ASSHOLE" yourself.

Nothing I've said, could reasonable be called being an asshole. I'm not the one smearing people based on bullshit guesses and assumptions.

You do not get to dictate to me "what my life would be like".....with or without slavery.

Sure I do.


It is a pretty easy call to make, that the country would be worse if we were still a slave using nation.


If you want to argue the other side, ie that the nation could be the same or better, you are the one with an uphill battle.

An "uphill battle" with a total stranger on an anonymous message board? Seriously?[/QUOTE]


Yes. The fact that the stakes are low, does not change the fact that your position, ie that your life would be the same if slavery was still a part of American society, would be a very hard case to make.

Your problem has been, and still is that you exhibit the tendencies of an immature child when your "opinion" is treated like exactly what it is....your personal view of what someone that you have no knowledge of should be grateful for.

And that's just the Logical Fallacy of Ad Hominem.

My point is completely reasonable. It is completely normal to consider the results of alternate policies. Your pretense that that is not normal, is you being intellectually dishonest.

The insults you add, is just you being an asshole.

So please, go ahead and whine about being "smeared" over my opinion of your misinformed views. That is your right, but I will NOT, give you a pass when you attempt to tell ME, how I should think.

I'm not asking for a pass.


I've made my case, and all you've done is spew nonsense and insults.


YOu lose.[/QUOTE]

No one "loses or wins" on an anonymous message board, scooter.

This so called debate revolves around nothing more than you making the mistake of attempting to tell me what I should be grateful for, and as I told you in the first place, NO ONE except for me will decide that.

You have no guilt, because you never owned a slave.

I have no gratitude because I never was a slave.
I'm not wasting any time speculating on some fantasy regarding "what the country would be like if slavery never ended".

The point is that it did, in an effort to PRESERVE the union, and the prevention of it spreading to the north protected a predominately white workforce from being undermined by a cheaper source of labor.

Slaves were freed by DEFAULT, not humanitarian instincts.

And they were only unchained to be restricted by Jim Crow for the next 100 years.

 

[IM2]

We do and its not debateable.

no you dont and i agree

Well white man, when you live black let me know and we can discuss what you have experienced.

"Live black"? The fuck does that even mean?

LOL! Stop faking.

In other words, you don't know either. You just like that it fits your "victimhood" mode.

Victimhood my ass ! I am the one who said:

"Well white man, when you live black let me know and we can discuss what you have experienced."

If you don't know what that means, then you better go dumpster diving to find the mind you lost.

 

[Correll]

You don't think your life is better because slavery was destroyed as an institution?

My life is what it is because of hhe work that my parents did and the work that I've done.

What about your life? From the way that you appear to think, I could envision you owning a plantation and having slaves.

1. Your implied answer that your life would not be any different if slavery was still a part of American life is absurd. This nation would be very different and the vast majority of people's lives would be the worst for it.


2. Nothing I have said, justifies your smear of me as a plantation owner. YOu are an asshole.

The fact that slavery was abolished even before my Grandfather lived, does not qualify ME or YOU to speculate about what the country would be like if it was still in effect.

Sure it does. People consider alternative courses of actions and likely consequences all the time. It's normal.

In case you did not know it, every black person in America was NOT a slave during that era.

I did know that, and it doesn't change my position that America and the vast majority of American lives would be worse if slavery was still being practiced in America today.

If you are so sensitive about being "smeared", maybe you should not be such an "ASSHOLE" yourself.

Nothing I've said, could reasonable be called being an asshole. I'm not the one smearing people based on bullshit guesses and assumptions.

You do not get to dictate to me "what my life would be like".....with or without slavery.

Sure I do.


It is a pretty easy call to make, that the country would be worse if we were still a slave using nation.


If you want to argue the other side, ie that the nation could be the same or better, you are the one with an uphill battle.

An "uphill battle" with a total stranger on an anonymous message board? Seriously?

Yes. The fact that the stakes are low, does not change the fact that your position, ie that your life would be the same if slavery was still a part of American society, would be a very hard case to make.

Your problem has been, and still is that you exhibit the tendencies of an immature child when your "opinion" is treated like exactly what it is....your personal view of what someone that you have no knowledge of should be grateful for.

And that's just the Logical Fallacy of Ad Hominem.

My point is completely reasonable. It is completely normal to consider the results of alternate policies. Your pretense that that is not normal, is you being intellectually dishonest.

The insults you add, is just you being an asshole.

So please, go ahead and whine about being "smeared" over my opinion of your misinformed views. That is your right, but I will NOT, give you a pass when you attempt to tell ME, how I should think.

I'm not asking for a pass.


I've made my case, and all you've done is spew nonsense and insults.


YOu lose.[/QUOTE]

No one "loses or wins" on an anonymous message board, scooter.[/QUOTE]


Says the man arguing that his life in an America with slavery would be the same as it is today, without.

This so called debate revolves around you making the mistake of attempting to tell me what I should be grateful for, and as I told you in the first place, NO ONE except for me will decide that.

You have no guilt, because you never owned a slave.

True.

I have no gratitude because I never was a slave.

Doesn't mean that you, or anyone else, have not benefited from the sacrifices of those that ended slavery.

 

[IM2]

Something I read on an other page on this thread...Whites may have once been slave owners, but whites also fought and died to set blacks FREE. Whites are neurotic as hell. Blacks, well they can be too. Racism, schmasim. Get over it. Lets put the POST in POST racial, kiddoes.

Whites did not die to set blacks free. Blacks had much more do with our freedom than whites did. .After all there was that 100 years after slavery when blacks still had no rights. So until those like you stop being racists, there is no post. Racism is a form of abuse, go study what every type of abuse does to people, then come back and talk..

 

[Correll]

Something I read on an other page on this thread...Whites may have once been slave owners, but whites also fought and died to set blacks FREE. Whites are neurotic as hell. Blacks, well they can be too. Racism, schmasim. Get over it. Lets put the POST in POST racial, kiddoes.

Whites did not die to set blacks free. Blacks had much more do with our freedom than whites did. .After all there was that 100 years after slavery when blacks still had no rights. So until those like you stop being racists, there is no post. Racism is a form of abuse, go study what every type of abuse does to people, then come back and talk..

What a stupid thing to say.

 

[Cecilie1200]

Something I read on an other page on this thread...Whites may have once been slave owners, but whites also fought and died to set blacks FREE. Whites are neurotic as hell. Blacks, well they can be too. Racism, schmasim. Get over it. Lets put the POST in POST racial, kiddoes.

Whites did not die to set blacks free. Blacks had much more do with our freedom than whites did. .After all there was that 100 years after slavery when blacks still had no rights. So until those like you stop being racists, there is no post. Racism is a form of abuse, go study what every type of abuse does to people, then come back and talk..

James Reeb - Wikipedia

Jonathan Daniels - Wikipedia

Viola Liuzzo - Wikipedia

Bruce W. Klunder - Wikipedia

Andrew Goodman - Wikipedia

Michael Schwerner - Wikipedia

Fuck you, you ungrateful piece of crap.

 

[MaryL]

Something I read on an other page on this thread...Whites may have once been slave owners, but whites also fought and died to set blacks FREE. Whites are neurotic as hell. Blacks, well they can be too. Racism, schmasim. Get over it. Lets put the POST in POST racial, kiddoes.

Whites did not die to set blacks free. Blacks had much more do with our freedom than whites did. .After all there was that 100 years after slavery when blacks still had no rights. So until those like you stop being racists, there is no post. Racism is a form of abuse, go study what every type of abuse does to people, then come back and talk..

James Reeb - Wikipedia

Jonathan Daniels - Wikipedia

Viola Liuzzo - Wikipedia

Bruce W. Klunder - Wikipedia

Andrew Goodman - Wikipedia

Michael Schwerner - Wikipedia

Fuck you, you ungrateful piece of crap.

You have a computer and access to all the same facts. You live in a deluded dream world the rest of us don't share.

 

[Correll]

Something I read on an other page on this thread...Whites may have once been slave owners, but whites also fought and died to set blacks FREE. Whites are neurotic as hell. Blacks, well they can be too. Racism, schmasim. Get over it. Lets put the POST in POST racial, kiddoes.

Whites did not die to set blacks free. Blacks had much more do with our freedom than whites did. .After all there was that 100 years after slavery when blacks still had no rights. So until those like you stop being racists, there is no post. Racism is a form of abuse, go study what every type of abuse does to people, then come back and talk..

James Reeb - Wikipedia

Jonathan Daniels - Wikipedia

Viola Liuzzo - Wikipedia

Bruce W. Klunder - Wikipedia

Andrew Goodman - Wikipedia

Michael Schwerner - Wikipedia



Every day, IM2 and his buddies are on this site, denying those people existed.

 

[MaryL]

Something I read on an other page on this thread...Whites may have once been slave owners, but whites also fought and died to set blacks FREE. Whites are neurotic as hell. Blacks, well they can be too. Racism, schmasim. Get over it. Lets put the POST in POST racial, kiddoes.

Whites did not die to set blacks free. Blacks had much more do with our freedom than whites did. .After all there was that 100 years after slavery when blacks still had no rights. So until those like you stop being racists, there is no post. Racism is a form of abuse, go study what every type of abuse does to people, then come back and talk..

James Reeb - Wikipedia

Jonathan Daniels - Wikipedia

Viola Liuzzo - Wikipedia

Bruce W. Klunder - Wikipedia

Andrew Goodman - Wikipedia

Michael Schwerner - Wikipedia



Every day, IM2 and his buddies are on this site, denying those people existed.

OK, well we are on the same page now...whites did fight and die for blacks, sorry I misunderstood. Misunderstandings abound...

 

[IM2]

Something I read on an other page on this thread...Whites may have once been slave owners, but whites also fought and died to set blacks FREE. Whites are neurotic as hell. Blacks, well they can be too. Racism, schmasim. Get over it. Lets put the POST in POST racial, kiddoes.

Whites did not die to set blacks free. Blacks had much more do with our freedom than whites did. .After all there was that 100 years after slavery when blacks still had no rights. So until those like you stop being racists, there is no post. Racism is a form of abuse, go study what every type of abuse does to people, then come back and talk..

What a stupid thing to say.

.Really?

All rise! Class is in session.

Types of Abuse
There are several different types of abuse recognized. Forms of abuse include:1

• Emotional abuse aka Psychological abuse – this type of abuse is likely the most common. Emotional abuse consists of any behavior designed to hurt another person mentally. Psychological abuse includes yelling, threats, shaming, humiliation and shaming, among other tactics.

Understand that white racism has included all of these things.

• Financial abuse – this type of abuse is often seen alongside other forms of abuse. Financial abuse is when one person restricts access to money from another. This type of abuse includes actions like cutting off access to bank accounts, controlling where someone is allowed to work and preventing access to financial information.

Understand that white racism has included all of these things.

• Physical abuse – this form of abuse shows the most outward signs. Physical abuse is also known as domestic abuse or domestic violence when it occurs within intimate relationships. Physical abuse is any physical act or threat of a physical act designed to harm another person physically. This type of abuse includes actions like slapping, punching, hair-pulling and kicking. Physical evidence such as bruises need not exist for the act to be physical abuse.

Understand that white racism has included all of these things.

• Sexual abuse – this type of abuse is often perpetrated against women although men can be victims of sexual abuse too. Sexual abuse includes any unwanted sexual act forced on the victim. This form of abuse is also often known as sexual assault or rape. Sexual abuse can include anything from unwanted touching to forced intercourse or forced sexual contact with another person.

Understand that white racism included this.

• Verbal abuse – verbal abuse is generally a form of psychological abuse. This type of abuse occurs when an abuser uses words and body language with the intent to hurt another person. Verbal abuse includes put-downs, name-calling and unreasonable criticisms.

Understand that white racism has included all of these things.

• Spiritual abuse – spiritual abuse revolves around a person’s spirituality or religion. This type of abuse includes attacking another’s belief system, denying access to a house of worship or forced participation in a cult.

Understand that white racism has included all of these things.

And no, you can't make the clam that blacks have doe the same things to whites. You will, but you'll be lying.

 

[Correll]

Something I read on an other page on this thread...Whites may have once been slave owners, but whites also fought and died to set blacks FREE. Whites are neurotic as hell. Blacks, well they can be too. Racism, schmasim. Get over it. Lets put the POST in POST racial, kiddoes.

Whites did not die to set blacks free. Blacks had much more do with our freedom than whites did. .After all there was that 100 years after slavery when blacks still had no rights. So until those like you stop being racists, there is no post. Racism is a form of abuse, go study what every type of abuse does to people, then come back and talk..

What a stupid thing to say.

.Really?

All rise! Class is in session.

Types of Abuse
There are several different types of abuse recognized. Forms of abuse include:1

• Emotional abuse aka Psychological abuse – this type of abuse is likely the most common. Emotional abuse consists of any behavior designed to hurt another person mentally. Psychological abuse includes yelling, threats, shaming, humiliation and shaming, among other tactics.

Understand that white racism has included all of these things.

• Financial abuse – this type of abuse is often seen alongside other forms of abuse. Financial abuse is when one person restricts access to money from another. This type of abuse includes actions like cutting off access to bank accounts, controlling where someone is allowed to work and preventing access to financial information.

Understand that white racism has included all of these things.

• Physical abuse – this form of abuse shows the most outward signs. Physical abuse is also known as domestic abuse or domestic violence when it occurs within intimate relationships. Physical abuse is any physical act or threat of a physical act designed to harm another person physically. This type of abuse includes actions like slapping, punching, hair-pulling and kicking. Physical evidence such as bruises need not exist for the act to be physical abuse.

Understand that white racism has included all of these things.

• Sexual abuse – this type of abuse is often perpetrated against women although men can be victims of sexual abuse too. Sexual abuse includes any unwanted sexual act forced on the victim. This form of abuse is also often known as sexual assault or rape. Sexual abuse can include anything from unwanted touching to forced intercourse or forced sexual contact with another person.

Understand that white racism included this.

• Verbal abuse – verbal abuse is generally a form of psychological abuse. This type of abuse occurs when an abuser uses words and body language with the intent to hurt another person. Verbal abuse includes put-downs, name-calling and unreasonable criticisms.

Understand that white racism has included all of these things.

• Spiritual abuse – spiritual abuse revolves around a person’s spirituality or religion. This type of abuse includes attacking another’s belief system, denying access to a house of worship or forced participation in a cult.

Understand that white racism has included all of these things.

And no, you can't make the clam that blacks have doe the same things to whites. You will, but you'll be lying.

Thanks for ignoring the sacrifices of generations of whites, trying to help.


I've been telling modern libs, that it was a huge waste. THey dont' listen to me.

I bet they are listening to you.

 

[IM2]

Something I read on an other page on this thread...Whites may have once been slave owners, but whites also fought and died to set blacks FREE. Whites are neurotic as hell. Blacks, well they can be too. Racism, schmasim. Get over it. Lets put the POST in POST racial, kiddoes.

Whites did not die to set blacks free. Blacks had much more do with our freedom than whites did. .After all there was that 100 years after slavery when blacks still had no rights. So until those like you stop being racists, there is no post. Racism is a form of abuse, go study what every type of abuse does to people, then come back and talk..

James Reeb - Wikipedia

Jonathan Daniels - Wikipedia

Viola Liuzzo - Wikipedia

Bruce W. Klunder - Wikipedia

Andrew Goodman - Wikipedia

Michael Schwerner - Wikipedia



Every day, IM2 and his buddies are on this site, denying those people existed.

OK, well we are on the same page now...whites did fight and die for blacks, sorry I misunderstood. Misunderstandings abound...

We've done none of this. You've said whites fought and died to free blacks from slavery. None of these whites did that.

.

 

[MizMolly]

Something I read on an other page on this thread...Whites may have once been slave owners, but whites also fought and died to set blacks FREE. Whites are neurotic as hell. Blacks, well they can be too. Racism, schmasim. Get over it. Lets put the POST in POST racial, kiddoes.

Whites did not die to set blacks free. Blacks had much more do with our freedom than whites did. .After all there was that 100 years after slavery when blacks still had no rights. So until those like you stop being racists, there is no post. Racism is a form of abuse, go study what every type of abuse does to people, then come back and talk..

What a stupid thing to say.

.Really?

All rise! Class is in session.

Types of Abuse
There are several different types of abuse recognized. Forms of abuse include:1

• Emotional abuse aka Psychological abuse – this type of abuse is likely the most common. Emotional abuse consists of any behavior designed to hurt another person mentally. Psychological abuse includes yelling, threats, shaming, humiliation and shaming, among other tactics.

Understand that white racism has included all of these things.

• Financial abuse – this type of abuse is often seen alongside other forms of abuse. Financial abuse is when one person restricts access to money from another. This type of abuse includes actions like cutting off access to bank accounts, controlling where someone is allowed to work and preventing access to financial information.

Understand that white racism has included all of these things.

• Physical abuse – this form of abuse shows the most outward signs. Physical abuse is also known as domestic abuse or domestic violence when it occurs within intimate relationships. Physical abuse is any physical act or threat of a physical act designed to harm another person physically. This type of abuse includes actions like slapping, punching, hair-pulling and kicking. Physical evidence such as bruises need not exist for the act to be physical abuse.

Understand that white racism has included all of these things.

• Sexual abuse – this type of abuse is often perpetrated against women although men can be victims of sexual abuse too. Sexual abuse includes any unwanted sexual act forced on the victim. This form of abuse is also often known as sexual assault or rape. Sexual abuse can include anything from unwanted touching to forced intercourse or forced sexual contact with another person.

Understand that white racism included this.

• Verbal abuse – verbal abuse is generally a form of psychological abuse. This type of abuse occurs when an abuser uses words and body language with the intent to hurt another person. Verbal abuse includes put-downs, name-calling and unreasonable criticisms.

Understand that white racism has included all of these things.

• Spiritual abuse – spiritual abuse revolves around a person’s spirituality or religion. This type of abuse includes attacking another’s belief system, denying access to a house of worship or forced participation in a cult.

Understand that white racism has included all of these things.

And no, you can't make the clam that blacks have doe the same things to whites. You will, but you'll be lying.

Who is abusing you and how?

 

[MaryL]

Something I read on an other page on this thread...Whites may have once been slave owners, but whites also fought and died to set blacks FREE. Whites are neurotic as hell. Blacks, well they can be too. Racism, schmasim. Get over it. Lets put the POST in POST racial, kiddoes.

Whites did not die to set blacks free. Blacks had much more do with our freedom than whites did. .After all there was that 100 years after slavery when blacks still had no rights. So until those like you stop being racists, there is no post. Racism is a form of abuse, go study what every type of abuse does to people, then come back and talk..

What a stupid thing to say.

.Really?

All rise! Class is in session.

Types of Abuse
There are several different types of abuse recognized. Forms of abuse include:1

• Emotional abuse aka Psychological abuse – this type of abuse is likely the most common. Emotional abuse consists of any behavior designed to hurt another person mentally. Psychological abuse includes yelling, threats, shaming, humiliation and shaming, among other tactics.

Understand that white racism has included all of these things.

• Financial abuse – this type of abuse is often seen alongside other forms of abuse. Financial abuse is when one person restricts access to money from another. This type of abuse includes actions like cutting off access to bank accounts, controlling where someone is allowed to work and preventing access to financial information.

Understand that white racism has included all of these things.

• Physical abuse – this form of abuse shows the most outward signs. Physical abuse is also known as domestic abuse or domestic violence when it occurs within intimate relationships. Physical abuse is any physical act or threat of a physical act designed to harm another person physically. This type of abuse includes actions like slapping, punching, hair-pulling and kicking. Physical evidence such as bruises need not exist for the act to be physical abuse.

Understand that white racism has included all of these things.

• Sexual abuse – this type of abuse is often perpetrated against women although men can be victims of sexual abuse too. Sexual abuse includes any unwanted sexual act forced on the victim. This form of abuse is also often known as sexual assault or rape. Sexual abuse can include anything from unwanted touching to forced intercourse or forced sexual contact with another person.

Understand that white racism included this.

• Verbal abuse – verbal abuse is generally a form of psychological abuse. This type of abuse occurs when an abuser uses words and body language with the intent to hurt another person. Verbal abuse includes put-downs, name-calling and unreasonable criticisms.

Understand that white racism has included all of these things.

• Spiritual abuse – spiritual abuse revolves around a person’s spirituality or religion. This type of abuse includes attacking another’s belief system, denying access to a house of worship or forced participation in a cult.

Understand that white racism has included all of these things.

And no, you can't make the clam that blacks have doe the same things to whites. You will, but you'll be lying.

Thanks for ignoring the sacrifices of generations of whites, trying to help.


I've been telling modern libs, that it was a huge waste. THey dont' listen to me.

I bet they are listening to you.

People tend to look at the short term and NOT the entirety of the issue after a while, and it may take a LONG while, but we come to our senses.

 

[IM2]

Something I read on an other page on this thread...Whites may have once been slave owners, but whites also fought and died to set blacks FREE. Whites are neurotic as hell. Blacks, well they can be too. Racism, schmasim. Get over it. Lets put the POST in POST racial, kiddoes.

Whites did not die to set blacks free. Blacks had much more do with our freedom than whites did. .After all there was that 100 years after slavery when blacks still had no rights. So until those like you stop being racists, there is no post. Racism is a form of abuse, go study what every type of abuse does to people, then come back and talk..

What a stupid thing to say.

.Really?

All rise! Class is in session.

Types of Abuse
There are several different types of abuse recognized. Forms of abuse include:1

• Emotional abuse aka Psychological abuse – this type of abuse is likely the most common. Emotional abuse consists of any behavior designed to hurt another person mentally. Psychological abuse includes yelling, threats, shaming, humiliation and shaming, among other tactics.

Understand that white racism has included all of these things.

• Financial abuse – this type of abuse is often seen alongside other forms of abuse. Financial abuse is when one person restricts access to money from another. This type of abuse includes actions like cutting off access to bank accounts, controlling where someone is allowed to work and preventing access to financial information.

Understand that white racism has included all of these things.

• Physical abuse – this form of abuse shows the most outward signs. Physical abuse is also known as domestic abuse or domestic violence when it occurs within intimate relationships. Physical abuse is any physical act or threat of a physical act designed to harm another person physically. This type of abuse includes actions like slapping, punching, hair-pulling and kicking. Physical evidence such as bruises need not exist for the act to be physical abuse.

Understand that white racism has included all of these things.

• Sexual abuse – this type of abuse is often perpetrated against women although men can be victims of sexual abuse too. Sexual abuse includes any unwanted sexual act forced on the victim. This form of abuse is also often known as sexual assault or rape. Sexual abuse can include anything from unwanted touching to forced intercourse or forced sexual contact with another person.

Understand that white racism included this.

• Verbal abuse – verbal abuse is generally a form of psychological abuse. This type of abuse occurs when an abuser uses words and body language with the intent to hurt another person. Verbal abuse includes put-downs, name-calling and unreasonable criticisms.

Understand that white racism has included all of these things.

• Spiritual abuse – spiritual abuse revolves around a person’s spirituality or religion. This type of abuse includes attacking another’s belief system, denying access to a house of worship or forced participation in a cult.

Understand that white racism has included all of these things.

And no, you can't make the clam that blacks have doe the same things to whites. You will, but you'll be lying.

Thanks for ignoring the sacrifices of generations of whites, trying to help.


I've been telling modern libs, that it was a huge waste. THey dont' listen to me.

I bet they are listening to you.

.Generations of whites trying to help? LOL!

.So tell me Cornholio, what were blacks dong for all these generations?