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Itd be a lot harder to kill Arabs with souls so lets claim they have no souls.So...atheists have no soul....easy to hate and eliminate them when you think of them as somehow "less".....isn't it?Communists/socialists for one just kill people because they want the peoples only hope To be In government not beyond the government, atheists are nothing more than Soulless twits...Mohammed pretty much plagarized some stuff from Judaism and some stuff from Christianity. He's the 7th century Joseph Smith.Your ignorance is unbelievable. Islam and Christianity are complete opposites. The fact that you believe otherwise just shows that you are intellectually lazy, or just plain lying.
Christianity and Islam have many similarities and are both Abrahamic religions.
So, it's really not about religion or atheism at all.Still doesn't erase Christians murderous history. And it's cute how you downsize or lowball your murders but inflate ours.
Mao and Stalin didn't kill as many as you think. A lot of those people starved to death. Lol.
Catholic Christians didn't kill as many Jews as you think. Many of them died of starvation. Lol
It is MANS murderous history. Man uses all sorts of reasons to justify his theft of the neighbors cow, daughter, land etc. The only Christian wars that are absolutely religion based are the Crusades. And there only the first one was truly religious only. After that the goals were expansion of the Kingdom of Jerusalem with the attendant increase in wealth. There are two reasons that leaders go to war, "temporal reasons", land, resources, slaves, etc. The other is of course for "spiritual" reasons. The number of wars that have been fought purely for spiritual reasons can be counted on your fingers and toes.
No, the atheists have a long history of murdering religious people purely because of their faith. They are perceived as a threat to the ruling class. The so called religious wars that you all point to are likewise very clearly wars of conquest or expansion. The religious aspect of them are the atrocities that were committed during the capture of cities etc. I have never said that religion was devoid of despicable behavior. Far from it. I am merely pointing out that the atheists who claim to be so pure are in fact the worst perpetrator of murder the world has ever seen.
The religion based excuses and murders are truly despicable.....but you atheists have turned murder into an art form. No religious leader, and no religion, holds a candle to progressives and their murderous behavior.
But religion is one of the things they use to get us to go to war. A lot easier to invade Muslim countries especially when their religion is evil and yours is real and your holy book even prophesized the war.Still doesn't erase Christians murderous history. And it's cute how you downsize or lowball your murders but inflate ours.Oh...."only" 450,000. Well then. Tis merely a scratch.....You do realize that the overwhelming majority of deaths in the 30 years war were caused by disease. Namely Typhus, Plague and Dysentary. The book below is the bible on the war and his exaustive research shows the causes of the deaths in great detail. Actual military losses over the 30 years is around 450,000.
http://www.amazon.com/Thirty-Years-War-Europes-Tragedy/dp/0674036344&tag=ff0d01-20
Over 30 years? Yeah, it is. There are still 160,000 MISSING from the British and German armies from the Battle of the Somme. Imagine that, a SINGLE battle from WWI has more casualties than ALL of the 30 years war combined.
Mao and Stalin didn't kill as many as you think. A lot of those people starved to death. Lol.
Catholic Christians didn't kill as many Jews as you think. Many of them died of starvation. Lol
It is MANS murderous history. Man uses all sorts of reasons to justify his theft of the neighbors cow, daughter, land etc. The only Christian wars that are absolutely religion based are the Crusades. And there only the first one was truly religious only. After that the goals were expansion of the Kingdom of Jerusalem with the attendant increase in wealth. There are two reasons that leaders go to war, "temporal reasons", land, resources, slaves, etc. The other is of course for "spiritual" reasons. The number of wars that have been fought purely for spiritual reasons can be counted on your fingers and toes.
Name any war where there was no profit motive.You make it sound like "religious" wars are really just wars for gain. Can we apply that in all cases?Which in no way mitigates the fact that those deaths were likewise the result of religious wars.You do realize that the overwhelming majority of deaths in the 30 years war were caused by disease. Namely Typhus, Plague and Dysentary. The book below is the bible on the war and his exaustive research shows the causes of the deaths in great detail. Actual military losses over the 30 years is around 450,000.
http://www.amazon.com/Thirty-Years-War-Europes-Tragedy/dp/0674036344&tag=ff0d01-20
Actually the 30 years war was a series of expansions. The terrible atrocities were no doubt religion induced but the war itself was a simple war of conquest. I don't remember the full particulars, but Gustavus Adolphus had claims against the Danes. The Austrians had claims in the north and the Poles were worried about Sweden's designs on Europe. Toss in France and her interests, and Great Britain and her interest in the Free Cities and of course Spanish holdings in the Low Countries and there was a huge powder keg with the fuse well lit.
List off the religious wars who's sole reason were spiritual in nature. In other words there was no attempt to profit from the results of the war. It was purely to kill the other religion, or convert them to your religion.
Religion may not be the reason we invade but, for example, was the Iraq war endorsed by Christian churches in America?
Was the Iraq war sanctioned in Canadian Christian churches? Nope.
The First Crusade was fought because the Byzantine Emperor sent a letter to the Pope asking for help getting land back from the Turks...and Urban saw it as an opportunity to increase the Catholic Church's role in what went on in Europe and abroad.Name any war where there was no profit motive.You make it sound like "religious" wars are really just wars for gain. Can we apply that in all cases?Which in no way mitigates the fact that those deaths were likewise the result of religious wars.
Actually the 30 years war was a series of expansions. The terrible atrocities were no doubt religion induced but the war itself was a simple war of conquest. I don't remember the full particulars, but Gustavus Adolphus had claims against the Danes. The Austrians had claims in the north and the Poles were worried about Sweden's designs on Europe. Toss in France and her interests, and Great Britain and her interest in the Free Cities and of course Spanish holdings in the Low Countries and there was a huge powder keg with the fuse well lit.
List off the religious wars who's sole reason were spiritual in nature. In other words there was no attempt to profit from the results of the war. It was purely to kill the other religion, or convert them to your religion.
Religion may not be the reason we invade but, for example, was the Iraq war endorsed by Christian churches in America?
Was the Iraq war sanctioned in Canadian Christian churches? Nope.
The First Crusade was fought so that Christian pilgrims could travel to the Holy Land to worship at the Biblical sites. Afterwards it became about conquest. The spiritual reasons were only there for the simple minded.
I have to wonder what the motivation is to declare something a deflection when this thread has been making a smooth transition from one CONNECTED topic to another.....suddenly one thing is a "deflection"?Deflection notedYour ignorance is unbelievable. Islam and Christianity are complete opposites. The fact that you believe otherwise just shows that you are intellectually lazy, or just plain lying.Keep in mind that Christians and Muslims hold many of the same beliefs. And whenever an atheist opposes a Christian belief, it always turns out that they're also opposing a Muslim belief.
I'd say they're pretty similar.
Why? Firstly any religion is based on who interprets it. Christianity has many sects, as does Islam.
Secondly Christians do as much damage as Muslims. Bush is a Christian, look at the damage he did to the world.
There are plenty of differences, it's like having a house with rooms of different colors though.
No deflection whatsoever. YOUR deflection is noted.
It's so refreshing to finally see someone from the left tell the unvarnished truth.
Atheist: Okay to Disparage Christians, But Islam Off-Limits Because of ‘Fear’
(CNSNews.com) – An atheist professor said Tuesday that it’s acceptable to criticize Christians but not Muslims, because he does not “fear” retaliation from Christians.
“I know what keeps me from critiquing Islam on my blog is just fear,” Phil Zuckerman said at a discussion on religious liberty at Georgetown University in Washington, D.C. “I’ve got three kids.
“So I know I can say anything about Christianity or Mormonism, and I’m not living in fear, which is a testament to Christianity and Mormonism, and that’s wonderful. Thank you,” said Zuckerman, who is a self-described atheist and professor of secular studies at Pitzer College in Claremont, Calif.
Zuckerman was a panelist at the discussion as part of Georgetown University’s Religious Freedom Project at its Berkley Center.
Kirsten Powers, a Democratic pundit, recent convert to Catholicism and author of the book “How the Left Is Killing Free Speech,” said at the event that she does not understand why Muslims can oppose same-sex marriage and not be targeted by the Left for it, but calling out Christians for their beliefs is acceptable.
Powers cited the hidden video recordings made earlier this year by Steven Crowder, who asked Muslim bakers in Michigan if they would bake a cake for a same-sex wedding and they refused.
“If these had been Christian bakeries, it would have been on the front page of the New York Times, so I’m wondering why we’re able to have this amicable, disagreement with Muslims for having this view,” Powers said. “Why are we not able to do that with Christians?
“I absolutely agree with you,” Zuckerman said.
“I absolutely agree that it is okay for those on the left to critique, mock, deride Christianity, but Islam gets a free pass, which is so strange, because if you care about women’s rights, if you care about human rights, if you care about gay rights, then really Islam is much more problematic – sorry to paint Islam with a huge brush – and much more devastating,” he said.
“As an atheist – where on planet Earth is the death penalty meted out to atheists?” Zuckerman said. “It’s only in, I think, 24 Muslim countries.
“Where have human rights flourished the most? In Christian nations,” he said.
“I see Christianity as a great friend of secular culture,” Zuckerman said. “I see Islam as much more of a threat, much more debilitating. I’m not talking about Muslim individuals that I happen to sit next to on an airplane or are my neighbors. I’m talking about doctrines and those that have the power to enforce those doctrines in the form of Sharia law.”
Zuckerman mentioned comedian Bill Maher, actor Ben Affleck and atheist and author Sam Harris and the reaction to their remarks about Islam.
“I would say two things,” Zuckerman said. “I know what keeps me from critiquing Islam on my blog is just fear.
“I’ve got three kids,” he said. “So I know I can say anything about Christianity or Mormonism, and I’m not living in fear, which is a testament to Christianity and Mormonism, and that’s wonderful. Thank you.
“I would never write the same kind of stuff that I do about certain religions – Judaism, Christianity, LDS, whatever – as I would about Islam – just straight up fear,” Zuckerman said.
Maybe some people here can learn something about courage from the French cartoonists of Charlie.It's so refreshing to finally see someone from the left tell the unvarnished truth.
Atheist: Okay to Disparage Christians, But Islam Off-Limits Because of ‘Fear’
(CNSNews.com) – An atheist professor said Tuesday that it’s acceptable to criticize Christians but not Muslims, because he does not “fear” retaliation from Christians.
“I know what keeps me from critiquing Islam on my blog is just fear,” Phil Zuckerman said at a discussion on religious liberty at Georgetown University in Washington, D.C. “I’ve got three kids.
“So I know I can say anything about Christianity or Mormonism, and I’m not living in fear, which is a testament to Christianity and Mormonism, and that’s wonderful. Thank you,” said Zuckerman, who is a self-described atheist and professor of secular studies at Pitzer College in Claremont, Calif.
Zuckerman was a panelist at the discussion as part of Georgetown University’s Religious Freedom Project at its Berkley Center.
Kirsten Powers, a Democratic pundit, recent convert to Catholicism and author of the book “How the Left Is Killing Free Speech,” said at the event that she does not understand why Muslims can oppose same-sex marriage and not be targeted by the Left for it, but calling out Christians for their beliefs is acceptable.
Powers cited the hidden video recordings made earlier this year by Steven Crowder, who asked Muslim bakers in Michigan if they would bake a cake for a same-sex wedding and they refused.
“If these had been Christian bakeries, it would have been on the front page of the New York Times, so I’m wondering why we’re able to have this amicable, disagreement with Muslims for having this view,” Powers said. “Why are we not able to do that with Christians?
“I absolutely agree with you,” Zuckerman said.
“I absolutely agree that it is okay for those on the left to critique, mock, deride Christianity, but Islam gets a free pass, which is so strange, because if you care about women’s rights, if you care about human rights, if you care about gay rights, then really Islam is much more problematic – sorry to paint Islam with a huge brush – and much more devastating,” he said.
“As an atheist – where on planet Earth is the death penalty meted out to atheists?” Zuckerman said. “It’s only in, I think, 24 Muslim countries.
“Where have human rights flourished the most? In Christian nations,” he said.
“I see Christianity as a great friend of secular culture,” Zuckerman said. “I see Islam as much more of a threat, much more debilitating. I’m not talking about Muslim individuals that I happen to sit next to on an airplane or are my neighbors. I’m talking about doctrines and those that have the power to enforce those doctrines in the form of Sharia law.”
Zuckerman mentioned comedian Bill Maher, actor Ben Affleck and atheist and author Sam Harris and the reaction to their remarks about Islam.
“I would say two things,” Zuckerman said. “I know what keeps me from critiquing Islam on my blog is just fear.
“I’ve got three kids,” he said. “So I know I can say anything about Christianity or Mormonism, and I’m not living in fear, which is a testament to Christianity and Mormonism, and that’s wonderful. Thank you.
“I would never write the same kind of stuff that I do about certain religions – Judaism, Christianity, LDS, whatever – as I would about Islam – just straight up fear,” Zuckerman said.
I'm an atheist an think both Christians and Muslims are whiny assholes
I'm an atheist an think both Christians and Muslims are whiny assholes
I'm agnostic and atheists are even more whiny assholes. They sue everyone at the drop of a hat for behavior that is legal. A more egotistical group would be hard to find. Well, not that hard. The Westboro assholes are right up there with the atheists.
I'm an atheist an think both Christians and Muslims are whiny assholes
I'm agnostic and atheists are even more whiny assholes. They sue everyone at the drop of a hat for behavior that is legal. A more egotistical group would be hard to find. Well, not that hard. The Westboro assholes are right up there with the atheists.
Interesting thought
Thanks for posting
I find that not all lawsuits against things like christian displays on public land are done by atheists. Some are done by Jews. Some by Pagans. Not all atheists.I'm an atheist an think both Christians and Muslims are whiny assholes
I'm agnostic and atheists are even more whiny assholes. They sue everyone at the drop of a hat for behavior that is legal. A more egotistical group would be hard to find. Well, not that hard. The Westboro assholes are right up there with the atheists.
I find that not all lawsuits against things like christian displays on public land are done by atheists. Some are done by Jews. Some by Pagans. Not all atheists.I'm an atheist an think both Christians and Muslims are whiny assholes
I'm agnostic and atheists are even more whiny assholes. They sue everyone at the drop of a hat for behavior that is legal. A more egotistical group would be hard to find. Well, not that hard. The Westboro assholes are right up there with the atheists.
I find that not all lawsuits against things like christian displays on public land are done by atheists. Some are done by Jews. Some by Pagans. Not all atheists.I'm an atheist an think both Christians and Muslims are whiny assholes
I'm agnostic and atheists are even more whiny assholes. They sue everyone at the drop of a hat for behavior that is legal. A more egotistical group would be hard to find. Well, not that hard. The Westboro assholes are right up there with the atheists.
Religious Displays in Public Schools
Really? I've NEVER seen a pagan file a lawsuit. Same go's for Jews though I suppose it could happen. Please provide a link to one please.
I find that not all lawsuits against things like christian displays on public land are done by atheists. Some are done by Jews. Some by Pagans. Not all atheists.I'm an atheist an think both Christians and Muslims are whiny assholes
I'm agnostic and atheists are even more whiny assholes. They sue everyone at the drop of a hat for behavior that is legal. A more egotistical group would be hard to find. Well, not that hard. The Westboro assholes are right up there with the atheists.
Religious Displays in Public Schools
Really? I've NEVER seen a pagan file a lawsuit. Same go's for Jews though I suppose it could happen. Please provide a link to one please.
Religious Displays in Public Schools
And as for pagans, we can look to the protest at that HS football game and the Satan statue that Satanists wanted to put up next to the 10 Commandments in Oklahoma in front of the State Capital.
So....? As you can see from my link, it is not just Atheists who have problems with christian displays in the government arena....whether it's schools or government buildings.I find that not all lawsuits against things like christian displays on public land are done by atheists. Some are done by Jews. Some by Pagans. Not all atheists.I'm an atheist an think both Christians and Muslims are whiny assholes
I'm agnostic and atheists are even more whiny assholes. They sue everyone at the drop of a hat for behavior that is legal. A more egotistical group would be hard to find. Well, not that hard. The Westboro assholes are right up there with the atheists.
Religious Displays in Public Schools
Really? I've NEVER seen a pagan file a lawsuit. Same go's for Jews though I suppose it could happen. Please provide a link to one please.
Religious Displays in Public Schools
And as for pagans, we can look to the protest at that HS football game and the Satan statue that Satanists wanted to put up next to the 10 Commandments in Oklahoma in front of the State Capital.
Sklar is a attorney who works with the ACLU and AU so i don't know if he's a Jew or not. I looked through your link and could find no actual court cases by Jews. The web site reported on lawsuits that have been filed but the first one that you linked to is an AU case.
So....? As you can see from my link, it is not just Atheists who have problems with christian displays in the government arena....whether it's schools or government buildings.I find that not all lawsuits against things like christian displays on public land are done by atheists. Some are done by Jews. Some by Pagans. Not all atheists.I'm agnostic and atheists are even more whiny assholes. They sue everyone at the drop of a hat for behavior that is legal. A more egotistical group would be hard to find. Well, not that hard. The Westboro assholes are right up there with the atheists.
Religious Displays in Public Schools
Really? I've NEVER seen a pagan file a lawsuit. Same go's for Jews though I suppose it could happen. Please provide a link to one please.
Religious Displays in Public Schools
And as for pagans, we can look to the protest at that HS football game and the Satan statue that Satanists wanted to put up next to the 10 Commandments in Oklahoma in front of the State Capital.
Sklar is a attorney who works with the ACLU and AU so i don't know if he's a Jew or not. I looked through your link and could find no actual court cases by Jews. The web site reported on lawsuits that have been filed but the first one that you linked to is an AU case.
So you have no problem with my link. Ok then.So....? As you can see from my link, it is not just Atheists who have problems with christian displays in the government arena....whether it's schools or government buildings.I find that not all lawsuits against things like christian displays on public land are done by atheists. Some are done by Jews. Some by Pagans. Not all atheists.
Religious Displays in Public Schools
Really? I've NEVER seen a pagan file a lawsuit. Same go's for Jews though I suppose it could happen. Please provide a link to one please.
Religious Displays in Public Schools
And as for pagans, we can look to the protest at that HS football game and the Satan statue that Satanists wanted to put up next to the 10 Commandments in Oklahoma in front of the State Capital.
Sklar is a attorney who works with the ACLU and AU so i don't know if he's a Jew or not. I looked through your link and could find no actual court cases by Jews. The web site reported on lawsuits that have been filed but the first one that you linked to is an AU case.
I see no evidence of Jews filing lawsuits. Please note I didn't say it was not happening, just that I had never heard of it. The stories that the web site links to are almost all AU lawsuits and AU is an atheist group the last i checked.
So you have no problem with my link. Ok then.So....? As you can see from my link, it is not just Atheists who have problems with christian displays in the government arena....whether it's schools or government buildings.Religious Displays in Public Schools
Really? I've NEVER seen a pagan file a lawsuit. Same go's for Jews though I suppose it could happen. Please provide a link to one please.
Religious Displays in Public Schools
And as for pagans, we can look to the protest at that HS football game and the Satan statue that Satanists wanted to put up next to the 10 Commandments in Oklahoma in front of the State Capital.
Sklar is a attorney who works with the ACLU and AU so i don't know if he's a Jew or not. I looked through your link and could find no actual court cases by Jews. The web site reported on lawsuits that have been filed but the first one that you linked to is an AU case.
I see no evidence of Jews filing lawsuits. Please note I didn't say it was not happening, just that I had never heard of it. The stories that the web site links to are almost all AU lawsuits and AU is an atheist group the last i checked.
