Biden on Gun Control

[Bruce_T_Laney]

Should they have to justify the ownership or use of fully automatic weapons? They are arms protected by the constitution too aren't they?

I would put it to a vote of the people with our right to free speech and freedom of the press attached all on the same ballot and see how that went...how would you vote?...I would vote to keep all legal...you?

What an absurd question.

Is it?

If you had the choice to repeal the second Amendment would you?

No

Why not?

 

[Auld Phart]

Joe Biden promises to put Beto O'Rourke in charge of gun control efforts

"Joe Biden promises to put Beto O'Rourke in charge of gun control efforts"



That's sure to win him the votes of thousands of gun owners.

Right?

Doesn't sound bad to this gun owner.

You whine about the constitution until you agree with the trashing, huh?
You disingenuous moonbats make me sick

Common sense regulation won't effect my gun ownership or use or the ownership and use of any law abiding sane person. I can understand you crazy militia types, with all your conspiracy theory fears being concerned.

You have laws already that the Federal, State and Local agencies refuse to use, so why give you more when LEO will just never enforce them?

Two instances in Florida where LEO failed it duty to enforce laws they had already, so tell us Bully, which new regulations will lower firearm deaths and if they fail to do so what will be your excuse?

Laws against drunk driving don't stop drunk drivers killing people, but they are still worth while.

Been almost a century since they tried banning booze, how did that work out?

over 7 million 'assault' weapons in private hands.

how many have been used to kill people?

(hint: according to Mother Jones, less than 50 in about 40 years)

Is that a good reason to ban them?

 

[Frankeneinstein]

No more than it flies in the face of regulting fully auto weapons. As a common sense goal, and to not be hypocritical, do you want fully automatic weapons deregulated?

No I do not want them deregulated, that is out of fear though not common sense ...from a common sense standpoint I would outlaw guns to left leaning individuals and deregulate all guns to members of the NRA with no fear at all of crime rising since I believe it would actually go way down under those conditions.

 

[TNHarley]

We lived for a few years under an assault weapon ban with no ill effects. Assault weapon ownership is like an opioid addiction using the weapons as the opioid of false security. None can defend the need in a civilian society.

Nobody can justify the need for an assault weapon. The best they can do is claim they fear some imagenary conspiracy theory enemy might attack them.

Its a constitutional and natural right.
Why do you hate freedom? I wish all you statists were born in another country ibstead of trying to ruin this one.

Using your logic fully automatic weapons would be available and on the shelves at any gun shop. Is that the type of infringement you are talking about? Should fully automatic weapons be on the shelves and available at any gun shop?

Fuck yes

The supreme court and the NRA disagree with you.

And? Neither one must not have ever read the 2nd amendment.

 

[BULLDOG]

From the common sense view point, It means that all arms hold equal status in the constitution. Everything from a BB gun to a fully auto 50 cal. If regulation of one type gun is constitutional, there is nothing in the constitution to say regulation of another type is not. Yes or no, ---- is it constitutionally acceptable for us to highly regulate the ownership, transport, and usage of a fully automatic 50 cal rifle? If so, then it is constitutionally acceptable to regulate all other arms the same way. I am not advocating regulation as stringent as required for a fully automatic 50 cal, but there is nothing in the constitution to prevent it.

And this proves that gun control is about taking away our right to bear arms

Yes or no, ---- is it constitutionally acceptable for us to highly regulate the ownership, transport, and usage of a fully automatic 50 cal rifle? If so, then it is constitutionally acceptable to regulate all other arms the same way

Constitutionally speaking NO, and if the answer is yes then common sense tells us that there is no such thing as the right to bear arms for all the reasons you cited above...and the fact that gun control advocates are trying to regulate all weapons tells us from a common sense standpoint that the "50 cal" argument is the springboard for taking away our right to beat arms.

So you advocate deregulation of fully auto weapons. Oh well, that's what I always expect from gun nuts. Fortunately, the NRA and the Supreme Court disagree with you.

 

[BULLDOG]

so using common sense what does this phrase "the right of the people to keep and bear Arms, shall not be infringed."...mean coming from the vantage point of common sense.

Let me know when you find it because I cant.

How do you feel about regulation of fully automatic weapons? Aren't they firearms protected from infringment by the constitution too?

How do you feel about regulation of fully automatic weapons?

Fully automatic?

Special license to own.

Semiauto?

no

Where, in the constitution, do you see justification for the difference? They are all the same in the constitution.

Where, in the constitution, do you see justification for the difference?

Illegal to yell 'Fire' in a theater, same reason hate speech is actionable.

Sawed off shotguns are illegal.

Fully automatic weapons need special licenses.

I have no problem with reasonable restrictions.

Banning AK 47s, AR 15s, magazines over 10 rounds?

NOT reasonable

So you admit the whole "shall not be infringed" argument is a bullshit excuse to oppose common sense regulation. Good for you.

 

[Billy_Kinetta]

Joe Biden promises to put Beto O'Rourke in charge of gun control efforts

"Joe Biden promises to put Beto O'Rourke in charge of gun control efforts"



That's sure to win him the votes of thousands of gun owners.

Right?

Doesn't sound bad to this gun owner.

Super Soakers don't count.

 

[BULLDOG]

Doesn't sound bad to this gun owner.

You whine about the constitution until you agree with the trashing, huh?
You disingenuous moonbats make me sick

Common sense regulation won't effect my gun ownership or use or the ownership and use of any law abiding sane person. I can understand you crazy militia types, with all your conspiracy theory fears being concerned.

You have laws already that the Federal, State and Local agencies refuse to use, so why give you more when LEO will just never enforce them?

Two instances in Florida where LEO failed it duty to enforce laws they had already, so tell us Bully, which new regulations will lower firearm deaths and if they fail to do so what will be your excuse?

Laws against drunk driving don't stop drunk drivers killing people, but they are still worth while.

We already have laws regulating who can and can not buy firearms, so how many more do you need before you realize LEO will never enforce those laws?

I disagree, and we can discuss that in a minute, but for now, are you willing to admit regulation and infringement are not the same?

 

[Bruce_T_Laney]

Doesn't sound bad to this gun owner.

You whine about the constitution until you agree with the trashing, huh?
You disingenuous moonbats make me sick

Common sense regulation won't effect my gun ownership or use or the ownership and use of any law abiding sane person. I can understand you crazy militia types, with all your conspiracy theory fears being concerned.

You have laws already that the Federal, State and Local agencies refuse to use, so why give you more when LEO will just never enforce them?

Two instances in Florida where LEO failed it duty to enforce laws they had already, so tell us Bully, which new regulations will lower firearm deaths and if they fail to do so what will be your excuse?

Laws against drunk driving don't stop drunk drivers killing people, but they are still worth while.

Been almost a century since they tried banning booze, how did that work out?

over 7 million 'assault' weapons in private hands.

how many have been used to kill people?

(hint: according to Mother Jones, less than 50 in about 40 years)

Is that a good reason to ban them?

Technically my pump action shotgun is a assault weapon and more dangerous than the AR-15 especially in close quarters.

Assault weapon - Wikipedia

So if a assault weapon ban were to take place my shotgun would be considered illegal.

Why do I own a shotgun and pump action one?

Simple, living in rural Texas you deal with Coyotes ( four or two legged ) wild boar and packs of wild dogs and to use a single or double barrel shotgun is pointless as can be.

The noise factor alone will scare most wild game and intruders off.

Now some Progressives believe you should call the local authorities or Sheriff department but when your nearest Sheriff could be an hour to two hour from you, well that shotgun is handy along with a good ol'.38 snub nose for close encounters...

So as some claim they are protecting society, well they are not protecting me out here in BFE Texas!

 

[Billy_Kinetta]

You whine about the constitution until you agree with the trashing, huh?
You disingenuous moonbats make me sick

Common sense regulation won't effect my gun ownership or use or the ownership and use of any law abiding sane person. I can understand you crazy militia types, with all your conspiracy theory fears being concerned.

You have laws already that the Federal, State and Local agencies refuse to use, so why give you more when LEO will just never enforce them?

Two instances in Florida where LEO failed it duty to enforce laws they had already, so tell us Bully, which new regulations will lower firearm deaths and if they fail to do so what will be your excuse?

Laws against drunk driving don't stop drunk drivers killing people, but they are still worth while.

We already have laws regulating who can and can not buy firearms, so how many more do you need before you realize LEO will never enforce those laws?

I disagree, and we can discuss that in a minute, but for now, are you willing to admit regulation and infringement are not the same?

They can be, dependent upon application. Regulate is defined as to control, direct or adjust. An example of regulate is for a committee to make rules that control trade in an area.

Infringement is defined as the action of limiting or undermining something. In other words - controlling, directing or adjusting.

 

[C_Clayton_Jones]

Biden's position on guns is irrelevant; Congress will never enact the measures some Democrats support.

 

[Auld Phart]

Let me know when you find it because I cant.

How do you feel about regulation of fully automatic weapons? Aren't they firearms protected from infringment by the constitution too?

How do you feel about regulation of fully automatic weapons?

Fully automatic?

Special license to own.

Semiauto?

no

Where, in the constitution, do you see justification for the difference? They are all the same in the constitution.

Where, in the constitution, do you see justification for the difference?

Illegal to yell 'Fire' in a theater, same reason hate speech is actionable.

Sawed off shotguns are illegal.

Fully automatic weapons need special licenses.

I have no problem with reasonable restrictions.

Banning AK 47s, AR 15s, magazines over 10 rounds?

NOT reasonable

So you admit the whole "shall not be infringed" argument is a bullshit excuse to oppose common sense regulation. Good for you.

oppose common sense regulation.

I don't oppose 'common sense regualtion'.

I just explained that.

banning so called 'assault' weapons is NOT common sense.

 

[Ame®icano]

Joe Biden promises to put Beto O'Rourke in charge of gun control efforts

"Joe Biden promises to put Beto O'Rourke in charge of gun control efforts"



That's sure to win him the votes of thousands of gun owners.

Right?

Doesn't sound bad to this gun owner.

You whine about the constitution until you agree with the trashing, huh?
You disingenuous moonbats make me sick

Common sense regulation won't effect my gun ownership or use or the ownership and use of any law abiding sane person. I can understand you crazy militia types, with all your conspiracy theory fears being concerned.

We lived for a few years under an assault weapon ban with no ill effects. Assault weapon ownership is like an opioid addiction using the weapons as the opioid of false security. None can defend the need in a civilian society.

Nobody can justify the need for an assault weapon. The best they can do is claim they fear some imagenary conspiracy theory enemy might attack them.

Every weapon can be categorized as "assault weapon", weather is baseball bat, or banana.

Americans already don't own "assault weapons".

 

[BULLDOG]

Should they have to justify the ownership or use of fully automatic weapons? They are arms protected by the constitution too aren't they?

I would put it to a vote of the people with our right to free speech and freedom of the press attached all on the same ballot and see how that went...how would you vote?...I would vote to keep all legal...you?

What an absurd question.

Is it?

If you had the choice to repeal the second Amendment would you?

No

Why not?

That is too broad a subject to fully discuss on the open board. If you are really interested in what I think, then IM me.

 

[Billy_Kinetta]

I would put it to a vote of the people with our right to free speech and freedom of the press attached all on the same ballot and see how that went...how would you vote?...I would vote to keep all legal...you?

What an absurd question.

Is it?

If you had the choice to repeal the second Amendment would you?

No

Why not?

That is too broad a subject to fully discuss on the open board. If you are really interested in what I think, then IM me.

Broad?

I've always found the 2A to be narrow and succinct.

 

[BULLDOG]

Doesn't sound bad to this gun owner.

You whine about the constitution until you agree with the trashing, huh?
You disingenuous moonbats make me sick

Common sense regulation won't effect my gun ownership or use or the ownership and use of any law abiding sane person. I can understand you crazy militia types, with all your conspiracy theory fears being concerned.

You have laws already that the Federal, State and Local agencies refuse to use, so why give you more when LEO will just never enforce them?

Two instances in Florida where LEO failed it duty to enforce laws they had already, so tell us Bully, which new regulations will lower firearm deaths and if they fail to do so what will be your excuse?

Laws against drunk driving don't stop drunk drivers killing people, but they are still worth while.

Been almost a century since they tried banning booze, how did that work out?

over 7 million 'assault' weapons in private hands.

how many have been used to kill people?

(hint: according to Mother Jones, less than 50 in about 40 years)

Is that a good reason to ban them?

There will never be an out right, across the board ban on any gun that is in common use today. There will be regulation and perhaps ban of new sales like there is for fully auto weapons.

 

[Auld Phart]

You whine about the constitution until you agree with the trashing, huh?
You disingenuous moonbats make me sick

Common sense regulation won't effect my gun ownership or use or the ownership and use of any law abiding sane person. I can understand you crazy militia types, with all your conspiracy theory fears being concerned.

You have laws already that the Federal, State and Local agencies refuse to use, so why give you more when LEO will just never enforce them?

Two instances in Florida where LEO failed it duty to enforce laws they had already, so tell us Bully, which new regulations will lower firearm deaths and if they fail to do so what will be your excuse?

Laws against drunk driving don't stop drunk drivers killing people, but they are still worth while.

Been almost a century since they tried banning booze, how did that work out?

over 7 million 'assault' weapons in private hands.

how many have been used to kill people?

(hint: according to Mother Jones, less than 50 in about 40 years)

Is that a good reason to ban them?

There will never be an out right, across the board ban on any gun that is in common use today. There will be regulation and perhaps ban of new sales like there is for fully auto weapons.

There will never be an out right, across the board ban on any gun that is in common use today.

Except so called assault weapons.

 

[BULLDOG]

No more than it flies in the face of regulting fully auto weapons. As a common sense goal, and to not be hypocritical, do you want fully automatic weapons deregulated?

No I do not want them deregulated, that is out of fear though not common sense ...from a common sense standpoint I would outlaw guns to left leaning individuals and deregulate all guns to members of the NRA with no fear at all of crime rising since I believe it would actually go way down under those conditions.

And you were the one spouting the constitution as your main arguement. I knew that was just pure bullshit.

 

[Bruce_T_Laney]

You whine about the constitution until you agree with the trashing, huh?
You disingenuous moonbats make me sick

Common sense regulation won't effect my gun ownership or use or the ownership and use of any law abiding sane person. I can understand you crazy militia types, with all your conspiracy theory fears being concerned.

You have laws already that the Federal, State and Local agencies refuse to use, so why give you more when LEO will just never enforce them?

Two instances in Florida where LEO failed it duty to enforce laws they had already, so tell us Bully, which new regulations will lower firearm deaths and if they fail to do so what will be your excuse?

Laws against drunk driving don't stop drunk drivers killing people, but they are still worth while.

We already have laws regulating who can and can not buy firearms, so how many more do you need before you realize LEO will never enforce those laws?

I disagree, and we can discuss that in a minute, but for now, are you willing to admit regulation and infringement are not the same?

How can you proclaim we do not have regulations on ownership of firearms and laws preventing criminals from owning them?

I already know what laws you want are red flag laws where your wife can call the sheriff department and make a false claim so she can have your firearms taken from you while you have to pay an attorney to prove your innocences.

You also want laws that will use faulty list like the No Fly list to restrict people who share the same name with someone that is a possible danger to our society and then again they will have to prove through courts they are not that person.

Finally, we have regulations on Local, State and Federal Level and if you are a gun owner you know this, and seeing you do not know thos tell me you do not own a firearm at all...

In the State of Texas I have to pass a background check to buy from a license dealer but not from a private citizen.

Federal law requires this already and need for more laws and why?

Did you know selling a firearm to a known felon or doing a straw purchase is a felony in the State of Texas?

Now you argument is how do you find out if someone is a felon?

Most people that sell their firearms in private usually do so to someone they know.

Yes, you have the gun show loophole but rarely do you deal with a mass shooter from someone who bought their gun from a gun show.

Next, mental health checks can be faked and a doctor could pass you for so much money or fail you if you do not pay them enough or if they dislike you.

In the end your commonsense laws will fail as usual and it is the State choice to regulate firearm sales like California and Illinois do and Texas has it own laws.

Federal Government should have little power over this unless it become a interstate issue...

 

[BULLDOG]

Nobody can justify the need for an assault weapon. The best they can do is claim they fear some imagenary conspiracy theory enemy might attack them.

Its a constitutional and natural right.
Why do you hate freedom? I wish all you statists were born in another country ibstead of trying to ruin this one.

Using your logic fully automatic weapons would be available and on the shelves at any gun shop. Is that the type of infringement you are talking about? Should fully automatic weapons be on the shelves and available at any gun shop?

Fuck yes

The supreme court and the NRA disagree with you.

And? Neither one must not have ever read the 2nd amendment.

Your crazy is showing.