Black republicans...who are they really?

[kaz]

Well look at you who can't stand whitey, but then the whitey that's being used to open the doors in the Democrat party, well they are somehow OK ? What will happen to those used up whitey's once you get done with them ?

We will make them congressmen and party leaders.

Name blacks elected to congress in white Democrat districts, I must have missed when you didn't run from the question

Give me one good damn reason why I should do that. Stop deflecting and look it up yourself…. I am not interested.

Exactly, your claim Democrats aren't racist because white Democrat districts elect whites blows you out of the water

I'll bet $1000 that you can't show me where I said democrats are not racist. Some democrats ARE racist and some are also conservative.

That's what your whole argument is based on, Holmes

 

[kaz]

First of all I want to give thanks to the liberal White people who join us in politically neutralizing the angry RW White males and the women who love them. Angry RW White males are relentless in their efforts to turn back the hands of time where they had no competition in jobs and educational opportunities. They fought civil liberties for ALL every step pf the way and with every gain by minorities and women was/is seen as an assault on RW white male privilege and hegemony.

Changing demographics has altered traditional political outcomes and RW White males are being indoctrinated by their media masters to prepare for "taking their country back." These folks are armed and dangerous with access to every aspect of our lives. But we don't know who they are.
They could be judges, cops, school teachers or movie stars but they are all focused on the RW White male agenda and are capable of doing anything to attain their goals.

YOU are a big part of the problem, race-baiting douchebag.

Race will continue to be tough discussion for all concerned due to the wretched history! Sorry, it can't be purged from the history books; though the ones from Texas have tried their best! Atrocities occurred in the past and they continue to happen; no matter how much you want to forget the problem!

Race will continue to be a tough discussion as long as you disingenuous, Democrats hacks race bait to keep 90% of them voting for you

Frankly, most of us don't give a shit about a discussion. Fuck a discussion. Rights are determined by what you can demand, not discussions.

If you don't figure it out or agree .. who the fuck cares?

Good luck with that attitude.

It's pathetic a black thinks blacks can't succeed on a level playing field ...

 

[nat4900]

I'm a black republican. Does that count?

The above (without the poster even realizing it) helps to confirm my original hypothesis......i.e., ."...being black AND republican makes me somewhat special among right wingers....."

 

[320 Years of History]

What blacks need is opportunity, handouts and a lowered bar keep them down, don't lift them up

Well, while I think providing opportunity, equanimity of it, can be done effectively at a class level, handouts are best given, IMO, on and at an/the individual level, sometimes on competitive merit, sometimes not. I don't think there's a "one size fits all" rule that can rightly govern how that happens. It'd be nice if there were, but I just don't think there is.. The trick is to make sure that what individuals receive handouts is an equitably made decision. I'm not at all opposed to doling out benefits, most especially when folks need them as well as when they deserve them. That said, I see neediness as more important than deservedness, but both are nonetheless relevant.

 

[Correll]

I'm a black republican. Does that count?

The above (without the poster even realizing it) helps to confirm my original hypothesis......i.e., ."...being black AND republican makes me somewhat special among right wingers....."

Why don't you ask him the questions from your op, and try to actually FUCKING LISTEN, instead of attacking him for disagreeing with you?

 

[320 Years of History]

The Democrats in this thread are all arguing blacks aren't capable of being treated like whites. When Obama is treated like a white liberal, that's racism. That's the argument

That's just more ignorant bullshit from an ignorant poster.

Blacks participate at EVERY LEVEL of the Democratic Party .. including at the very top. The Republican Party remains virtually all white.

END OF STORY about how blacks are treated by democrats.

You mean other than the former head of the GOP? Or do you mean two former Secretaries of State and the one on the Supreme Court? And blacks are 90+% Democrat, dumb ass.

Also, there is exactly 1 black Democrat in the Senate, and 1 black Republican. And how many blacks in the House are from white districts?

White Democrats have done shit for Blacks.

Your argument is stupid. You're talking about a couple of appointments compared to thousands of elected black democrats all over the country at every level. That's stupid.

You're comparing a party that has opened the doors to black representation at EVERY LEVEL .. including the President of the United States .. to a party that actively and openly seeks to disenfranchise the black vote every chance it gets. That's stupid.

You right-wingers do much better in conversations exclusive to just you. Then you can say all kinds of childish dumb ass shit unencumbered by truth, facts, or even common sense.

Good lord....both of you need to put some intellectual rigor and integrity into your remarks.

There are quite a few "relevant" black Republicans.

1. Ben Carson — renowned pediatric neurosurgeon; likely 2016 presidential candidate
2. Colin Powell — former secretary of state; U.S. Army general
3. Condoleezza Rice — former secretary of state
4. Clarence Thomas — Supreme Court justice
5. Mia Love — U.S. congresswoman, Utah
6. Tim Scott — U.S. senator, South Carolina
7. Jason Riley — Wall Street Journal editorial writer; author, “Please Stop Helping Us”
8. Michael Powell — former chairman, Federal Communications Commission; president, National Cable & Telecommunications Association
9. Will Hurd — Texas congressman
10. Herman Cain — businessman; 2012 presidential candidate
11. Thomas Sowell — economist; author
12. Allen West — former congressman, Florida; ex-Army officer
13. Janice Rogers Brown — D.C. Circuit judge
14. Shaquille O'Neal — retired NBA star; actor
15. Michael Steele — former chairman, Republican National Committee
16. Antonio Williams — director of government relations, Comcast
17. Deroy Murdock — nationally syndicated columnist; businessman
18. Lynn Swann — NFL Hall of Famer; 2006 Pennsylvania gubernatorial nominee
19. Elbert Guillory — Louisiana state senator; former Democrat
20. Dwayne Johnson — athlete; actor
21. James "Bo Snerdley" Golden — producer, "The Rush Limbaugh Show"
22. James Earl Jones — Oscar-winning actor
23. Artur Davis — Montgomery, Alabama, mayoral candidate; former Democrat
24. Walter Williams — economist; guest host, "The Rush Limbaugh Show"
25. Judge Lynn Toler — star of "Divorce Court"
26. LL Cool J — rapper; actor
27. Herschel Walker — retired NFL running back and Heisman Trophy winner
28. Joseph C. Phillips — "The Cosby Show" co-star; Christian commentator
29. Shelby Steele — author, "The Content of Our Character"; documentary filmmaker
30. Joseph Louis Clark — former high school principal portrayed by Morgan Freeman in "Lean On Me"
31. Prince — pop star
32. Alveda C. King — pro-life activist; former Georgia legislator; ex-Democrat; niece of Martin Luther King Jr.
33. Boyd Rutherford — Maryland lieutenant governor
34. Nolan Carroll — Philadelphia Eagles cornerback
35. Richard Ivory — founder, HipHopRepublican.com blog
36. Larry Elder — talk radio host; columnist
37. Jimmie "J.J." Walker — stand-up comedian; iconic comic actor on "Good Times" in 1970s
38. Peter Kirsanow — member, U.S. Commission on Civil Rights
39. Robert P. Young Jr. — chief justice, Michigan Supreme Court
40. Don King — boxing promoter
41. Star Parker — president, Coalition on Urban Renewal and Education (CURE); columnist; congressional candidate
42. Alan Keyes — former presidential candidate
43. Raphael "Raffi" Williams — deputy press secretary, RNC
44. Ward Connerly — former University of California regent; affirmative action foe
45. Crystal Wright — conservativeblackchick.com blogger
46. Armstrong Williams — radio commentator; author; media entrepreneur
47. Kevin A. Ross — host, "America’s Court with Judge Ross"; former Los Angeles Superior Court judge
48. Stephen N. Lackey — corporate philanthropist; GOP fundraiser
49. Michael L. Williams — Texas commissioner of education
50. B.J. Penn — assistant secretary of the Navy under George W. Bush
51. Conrad James — scientist; member, University of New Mexico Board of Regents; former state legislator
52. Robert J. Brown — CEO, B&C Associates
53. Harold Doley — Doley Securities
54. Logan Delany — Delany Capital; treasurer, Ben Carson Organization
55. Alvin Williams — Black America’s Political Action Committee
56. Robert A. George — New York Post editorial writer
57. Amy Russell — clerk for U.S. District Judge James M. Moody Jr. in Arkansas
58. Jane E. Powdrell-Culbert — New Mexico legislator
59. Karl Malone — retired NBA great
60. Niger Innis — national spokesman, Congress of Racial Equality (CORE); Nevada congressional candidate
61. Neal E. Boyd — pop opera singer; "America’s Got Talent" winner; candidate, Missouri legislature
62. Kay James — president, Gloucester Institute; former George W. Bush administration official
63. Erika Harold — Miss America 2003; 2014 congressional candidate in Illinois
64. Damon Dunn — former NFL wide receiver; real estate investor; Long Beach, California, mayoral candidate
65. Thomas Stith — chief of staff for North Carolina Gov. Pat McCrory, leading governor’s "Innovation to Jobs" initiative
66. Robert Woodson — president, National Center for Neighborhood Enterprise
67. Sheryl Underwood — comedian; CBS "The Talk" commentator
68. David Tyree — retired NFL wide receiver; New York Giants director of player development; pro-family activist
69. Bruce Harris — nominated by Gov. Christie and defeated by state Democrats to be New Jersey’s first openly homosexual supreme court justice; former mayor of Chatham, N.J.
70. Orlando Watson — black media communications director, Republican National Committee
71. Scott Turner — Texas state legislator; retired NFL defensive back
72. Dale Wainwright — attorney, Bracewell & Giuliani; former associate justice, Texas Supreme Court
73. Stacey Dash — actress; Fox News commentator
74. Jackie Winters — Oregon state senator
75. Patricia Funderburk Ware — HIV/AIDS expert who served in Clinton, Bush, and Obama administrations
76. Chidike Okeem — Nigerian-born, London-raised blogger
77. J.A. Parker — president, Lincoln Institute; publisher, The Lincoln Review
78. Nadra Enzi — "The Hood Conservative," New Orleans-based anti-crime activist
79. Mike Hill — Florida state legislator
80. Sonja Schmidt — PJTV commentator
81. Chelsi P. Henry — entrepreneur; political strategist
82. Joseph Perkins — columnist, Orange County Register
83. Carson Ross — mayor, Blue Springs Missouri
84. William Barclay Allen — former chairman, U.S. Civil Rights Commission; candidate for U.S. Senate in California
85. Clarence M. Mitchell IV — "C4," Baltimore talk radio personality
86. Deneen Borelli — author, "Blacklash"; FreedomWorks outreach director
87. John Meredith — lobbyist; son of civil rights pioneer James Meredith
88. Bill Hardiman — Michigan state veterans services administrator; former mayor, Kentwood, Michigan; former state senator and congressional candidate
89. Jill Upson — West Virginia legislator
90. Ken Blackwell — former Cincinnati mayor, Ohio secretary of state, and GOP gubernatorial nominee
91. Vernon Robinson — campaign director for Draft Ben Carson movement; former North Carolina congressional candidate
92. Amy Holmes — news anchor, TheBlaze TV
93. Dr. Elaina George — otolaryngologist; ObamaCare critic
94. Tony Childress — sheriff, Livingston County, Illinois
95. Larry Dean Thompson — George W. Bush deputy attorney general
96. Kevin Jackson — host, "Black Sphere" radio show
97. Michel Faulkner — retired New York Jets defensive lineman; New York City pastor; 2010 congressional nominee against Rep. Charles Rangel
98. Ryan Frazier — investment consultant; Colorado congressional candidate; Mitt Romney adviser
99. Brian C. Roseboro — international banker; George W. Bush Treasury Department official
100. David Webb — talk radio host; political columnist

I think the black community recognizes some of them as being relevant not only as blacks, but also as conservatives.

Though not as long as the list of black Democrats or white Republicans, the list of former and current elected/political blacks is pretty long.

(Looking over that list, I was kinda surprised. There are a few blacks on that list whom I've known since my childhood, though as with many childhood friendships, we don't routinely socialize as adults, even though our paths occasionally cross. Thinking back, I can recall them being objects of ridicule by other black high schoolers. I never really understood that.)

Facts aren't exactly the friend of liberalism

Facts are everyone's friend. Regardless of their approaches to resolving economic and social dilemmas, I firmly believe most liberals and conservatives alike aim to and think they are acting and supporting policies that are in the overall best interests of the country. I also believe one must have that premise as a foundation in any effort to intelligently analyze, weigh and debate political proposals, no matter from whence they issue. It's my observation that anyone who doesn't believe and keep that premise in mind will, meaning to or not, devolve into some sort of fallacious BS. I can assure you, fallacious BS is highly unproductive as goes getting anywhere nearer to a viable solution.

 

[nat4900]

that blacks only identify with conservative ideals,just to look good

I'll have you know that appearing on Fox and making one "look good" because of that appearance is a bit of right wing myth and cheap theatre tactics.......LOL

 

[nat4900]

Here's an objective point to ponder........

After Obama's rise to the WH (twice, mind you) the GOP's "autopsy" yielded an interesting conclusion: "We've got to appeal to minority voters more than we have...."

Now, does that "conclusion" infer that the GOP has done MORE for minorities than democrats.......or not?

.......and the fact that the GOP wants to appeal more to minorities without the backing of actual policies could......in all sincerity....smack of blatant condescension.

 

[nat4900]

Republicans support the same rules for blacks as whites,

....and the above largely due to democrats passing LAWS to ensure that such would happen......Legalizing parity in education, hiring, housing, voting, etc.

 

[320 Years of History]

that blacks only identify with conservative ideals,just to look good

I'll have you know that appearing on Fox and making one "look good" becuase of that appearance is a bit of right wing myth and cheap theatre tactics.......LOL

Off Topic:
In my mind, appearing on Fox is just about the last thing one should want to do in order to look good. A quick visit to a hairbender and wardrobe consultant should be sufficient for most folks. LOL

 

[ThunderKiss1965]

Yesterday, a heated "debate" (well, as much of a debate that can be had in this mostly right wing forum) was had about one poster's friend who, as a liberal, spoke about a right wing friend who claimed that a good part of the hatred toward Obama was based on race.

I do NOT believe that opposition toward Obama is wholly based on race.....however, to deny that some racism does not exist toward Obama's presidency, would be equally naive.

So, what would make someone who is black and relatively intelligent, embrace the GOP platform that is often enmeshed in policies that are not for the betterment of the black voting bloc?

I am reminded of a passage in Milton's Paradise Lost where Lucifer explains why he chose to defy God's wishes (and PLEASE, I do not mean even remotely to equate a black republican to the devil......but the analogy is still sound.) ........Anyway, through Milton's prose, Lucifer explains that he would rather be a "king in hell" than just one of many other angel standing beside the throne of God.

What I'm getting at is that for SOME blacks who have chosen to embrace right wing policies may do so because the notoriety gained by such a stance is much more self serving than to be one of the vast majority of blacks who side with the left ideology. In other words, if you want to get on the FOX channels or the Rush radio talk shows, your chances are vastly improved if you claim that you are an arch conservative AND black.

I agree some people do hate Obama because he's black.
"A few years ago, this guy would have been getting us coffee,"
Bill Clinton comment to Sen. Ted Kennedy

 

[nat4900]

I agree some people do hate Obama because he's black.
"A few years ago, this guy would have been getting us coffee,"
Bill Clinton comment to Sen. Ted Kennedy

For clarity sake from mediamatters.....".....in their book Game Change, John Heilemann and Mark Halperin write:"



But Bill [Clinton] then went on, belittling Obama in a manner that deeply offended Kennedy. Recounting the conversation later to a friend, Teddy fumed that Clinton had said, A few years ago, this guy would have been getting us coffee.

Note the lack of quote marks around the statement attributed to Clinton. That means it's a paraphrase, not a direct quote. That means that Heilemann and Halperin did not or could not verify that Clinton said those exact words -- their source is not Kennedy or Clinton, but someone else who was supposedly aware of a later, alleged conversation between Kennedy and a "friend." As The Plum Line's Greg Sargent points out, the authors do indeed admit in their book: "Where dialog is not in quotes, it is paraphrased, reflecting only a lack of certainly on the part of our sources about precise wording, not about the nature of the statements."

Memo to media: Statement attributed to Clinton in Game Change is not a direct quote

 

[jillian]

None of you right wingers have addressed the intent of the O/P....All you've done.....as usual.....is bitched and moaned about Obama ad nauseum......

Get over it......you know, if he could run.....he'd be elected again.

Well you insulted the black community,claiming that blacks only identify with conservative ideals,just to look good,an absurd notion,but no surprise absurdity is a main dish for the OP.

i love when racist pondscum call others "racist".

Have you done that?

quiet, moron

 

[jillian]

That's just more ignorant bullshit from an ignorant poster.

Blacks participate at EVERY LEVEL of the Democratic Party .. including at the very top. The Republican Party remains virtually all white.

END OF STORY about how blacks are treated by democrats.

You mean other than the former head of the GOP? Or do you mean two former Secretaries of State and the one on the Supreme Court? And blacks are 90+% Democrat, dumb ass.

Also, there is exactly 1 black Democrat in the Senate, and 1 black Republican. And how many blacks in the House are from white districts?

White Democrats have done shit for Blacks.

Your argument is stupid. You're talking about a couple of appointments compared to thousands of elected black democrats all over the country at every level. That's stupid.

You're comparing a party that has opened the doors to black representation at EVERY LEVEL .. including the President of the United States .. to a party that actively and openly seeks to disenfranchise the black vote every chance it gets. That's stupid.

You right-wingers do much better in conversations exclusive to just you. Then you can say all kinds of childish dumb ass shit unencumbered by truth, facts, or even common sense.

Good lord....both of you need to put some intellectual rigor and integrity into your remarks.

There are quite a few "relevant" black Republicans.

1. Ben Carson — renowned pediatric neurosurgeon; likely 2016 presidential candidate
2. Colin Powell — former secretary of state; U.S. Army general
3. Condoleezza Rice — former secretary of state
4. Clarence Thomas — Supreme Court justice
5. Mia Love — U.S. congresswoman, Utah
6. Tim Scott — U.S. senator, South Carolina
7. Jason Riley — Wall Street Journal editorial writer; author, “Please Stop Helping Us”
8. Michael Powell — former chairman, Federal Communications Commission; president, National Cable & Telecommunications Association
9. Will Hurd — Texas congressman
10. Herman Cain — businessman; 2012 presidential candidate
11. Thomas Sowell — economist; author
12. Allen West — former congressman, Florida; ex-Army officer
13. Janice Rogers Brown — D.C. Circuit judge
14. Shaquille O'Neal — retired NBA star; actor
15. Michael Steele — former chairman, Republican National Committee
16. Antonio Williams — director of government relations, Comcast
17. Deroy Murdock — nationally syndicated columnist; businessman
18. Lynn Swann — NFL Hall of Famer; 2006 Pennsylvania gubernatorial nominee
19. Elbert Guillory — Louisiana state senator; former Democrat
20. Dwayne Johnson — athlete; actor
21. James "Bo Snerdley" Golden — producer, "The Rush Limbaugh Show"
22. James Earl Jones — Oscar-winning actor
23. Artur Davis — Montgomery, Alabama, mayoral candidate; former Democrat
24. Walter Williams — economist; guest host, "The Rush Limbaugh Show"
25. Judge Lynn Toler — star of "Divorce Court"
26. LL Cool J — rapper; actor
27. Herschel Walker — retired NFL running back and Heisman Trophy winner
28. Joseph C. Phillips — "The Cosby Show" co-star; Christian commentator
29. Shelby Steele — author, "The Content of Our Character"; documentary filmmaker
30. Joseph Louis Clark — former high school principal portrayed by Morgan Freeman in "Lean On Me"
31. Prince — pop star
32. Alveda C. King — pro-life activist; former Georgia legislator; ex-Democrat; niece of Martin Luther King Jr.
33. Boyd Rutherford — Maryland lieutenant governor
34. Nolan Carroll — Philadelphia Eagles cornerback
35. Richard Ivory — founder, HipHopRepublican.com blog
36. Larry Elder — talk radio host; columnist
37. Jimmie "J.J." Walker — stand-up comedian; iconic comic actor on "Good Times" in 1970s
38. Peter Kirsanow — member, U.S. Commission on Civil Rights
39. Robert P. Young Jr. — chief justice, Michigan Supreme Court
40. Don King — boxing promoter
41. Star Parker — president, Coalition on Urban Renewal and Education (CURE); columnist; congressional candidate
42. Alan Keyes — former presidential candidate
43. Raphael "Raffi" Williams — deputy press secretary, RNC
44. Ward Connerly — former University of California regent; affirmative action foe
45. Crystal Wright — conservativeblackchick.com blogger
46. Armstrong Williams — radio commentator; author; media entrepreneur
47. Kevin A. Ross — host, "America’s Court with Judge Ross"; former Los Angeles Superior Court judge
48. Stephen N. Lackey — corporate philanthropist; GOP fundraiser
49. Michael L. Williams — Texas commissioner of education
50. B.J. Penn — assistant secretary of the Navy under George W. Bush
51. Conrad James — scientist; member, University of New Mexico Board of Regents; former state legislator
52. Robert J. Brown — CEO, B&C Associates
53. Harold Doley — Doley Securities
54. Logan Delany — Delany Capital; treasurer, Ben Carson Organization
55. Alvin Williams — Black America’s Political Action Committee
56. Robert A. George — New York Post editorial writer
57. Amy Russell — clerk for U.S. District Judge James M. Moody Jr. in Arkansas
58. Jane E. Powdrell-Culbert — New Mexico legislator
59. Karl Malone — retired NBA great
60. Niger Innis — national spokesman, Congress of Racial Equality (CORE); Nevada congressional candidate
61. Neal E. Boyd — pop opera singer; "America’s Got Talent" winner; candidate, Missouri legislature
62. Kay James — president, Gloucester Institute; former George W. Bush administration official
63. Erika Harold — Miss America 2003; 2014 congressional candidate in Illinois
64. Damon Dunn — former NFL wide receiver; real estate investor; Long Beach, California, mayoral candidate
65. Thomas Stith — chief of staff for North Carolina Gov. Pat McCrory, leading governor’s "Innovation to Jobs" initiative
66. Robert Woodson — president, National Center for Neighborhood Enterprise
67. Sheryl Underwood — comedian; CBS "The Talk" commentator
68. David Tyree — retired NFL wide receiver; New York Giants director of player development; pro-family activist
69. Bruce Harris — nominated by Gov. Christie and defeated by state Democrats to be New Jersey’s first openly homosexual supreme court justice; former mayor of Chatham, N.J.
70. Orlando Watson — black media communications director, Republican National Committee
71. Scott Turner — Texas state legislator; retired NFL defensive back
72. Dale Wainwright — attorney, Bracewell & Giuliani; former associate justice, Texas Supreme Court
73. Stacey Dash — actress; Fox News commentator
74. Jackie Winters — Oregon state senator
75. Patricia Funderburk Ware — HIV/AIDS expert who served in Clinton, Bush, and Obama administrations
76. Chidike Okeem — Nigerian-born, London-raised blogger
77. J.A. Parker — president, Lincoln Institute; publisher, The Lincoln Review
78. Nadra Enzi — "The Hood Conservative," New Orleans-based anti-crime activist
79. Mike Hill — Florida state legislator
80. Sonja Schmidt — PJTV commentator
81. Chelsi P. Henry — entrepreneur; political strategist
82. Joseph Perkins — columnist, Orange County Register
83. Carson Ross — mayor, Blue Springs Missouri
84. William Barclay Allen — former chairman, U.S. Civil Rights Commission; candidate for U.S. Senate in California
85. Clarence M. Mitchell IV — "C4," Baltimore talk radio personality
86. Deneen Borelli — author, "Blacklash"; FreedomWorks outreach director
87. John Meredith — lobbyist; son of civil rights pioneer James Meredith
88. Bill Hardiman — Michigan state veterans services administrator; former mayor, Kentwood, Michigan; former state senator and congressional candidate
89. Jill Upson — West Virginia legislator
90. Ken Blackwell — former Cincinnati mayor, Ohio secretary of state, and GOP gubernatorial nominee
91. Vernon Robinson — campaign director for Draft Ben Carson movement; former North Carolina congressional candidate
92. Amy Holmes — news anchor, TheBlaze TV
93. Dr. Elaina George — otolaryngologist; ObamaCare critic
94. Tony Childress — sheriff, Livingston County, Illinois
95. Larry Dean Thompson — George W. Bush deputy attorney general
96. Kevin Jackson — host, "Black Sphere" radio show
97. Michel Faulkner — retired New York Jets defensive lineman; New York City pastor; 2010 congressional nominee against Rep. Charles Rangel
98. Ryan Frazier — investment consultant; Colorado congressional candidate; Mitt Romney adviser
99. Brian C. Roseboro — international banker; George W. Bush Treasury Department official
100. David Webb — talk radio host; political columnist

I think the black community recognizes some of them as being relevant not only as blacks, but also as conservatives.

Though not as long as the list of black Democrats or white Republicans, the list of former and current elected/political blacks is pretty long.

(Looking over that list, I was kinda surprised. There are a few blacks on that list whom I've known since my childhood, though as with many childhood friendships, we don't routinely socialize as adults, even though our paths occasionally cross. Thinking back, I can recall them being objects of ridicule by other black high schoolers. I never really understood that.)

. All traitors according to the racist here, and for whom make a claim to the Democrat party.

That "traitor" argument strikes me as little more than the modern day equivalent of the schism between adherents to W.E.B Dubois and Booker T. Washington's approaches to achieving parity and success for blacks as a whole. It think it wholly absurd, to say nothing of grossly disrespectful and ignorant, to presuppose that any black person is a traitor to the struggles of black Americans overall. That's one hell of an "Uncle Tom" accusation to make and have no very rigorously developed argument to present in support of it with regard to any individual black conservative or black conservatives one the whole. For whatever one thinks about black conservatives, that they'd, in a manner of speaking, "cut off their nose to spite their face" is preposterous.

ya.... okie dokie.

 

[depotoo]

Well, let's look at a couple of things that Hillary has been known to say, and apologize for shall we?

Senator Clinton was roundly criticized in 2004 when she joked that Mahatma Gandhi used to run a gas station in St. Louis. She later apologized, saying it was “a lame attempt at humor.” Clinton drew similar criticism 2 years ago when she told a mostly black audience at a Harlem church that Republican leaders ran the House “like a plantation”.
,,,
Now, note the similarity in tone of her remark regarding Gandhi.

Now let's look at Biden's remark, shall we?

More
"Is you their black-haired answer-mammy who be smart? Does they like how you shine their shoes, Condoleezza? Or the way you wash and park the whitey's cars?"

-- Left-wing radio host Neil

Harry Reid on Obama’s oratorical gifts and believed the country was ready to embrace a black presidential candidate, especially one such as a Obama — a ‘light-skinned’ African American with ‘no Negro dialect, unless he wanted to have one.'” Reid later apologized

I agree some people do hate Obama because he's black.
"A few years ago, this guy would have been getting us coffee,"
Bill Clinton comment to Sen. Ted Kennedy

For clarity sake from mediamatters.....".....in their book Game Change, John Heilemann and Mark Halperin write:"



But Bill [Clinton] then went on, belittling Obama in a manner that deeply offended Kennedy. Recounting the conversation later to a friend, Teddy fumed that Clinton had said, A few years ago, this guy would have been getting us coffee.

Note the lack of quote marks around the statement attributed to Clinton. That means it's a paraphrase, not a direct quote. That means that Heilemann and Halperin did not or could not verify that Clinton said those exact words -- their source is not Kennedy or Clinton, but someone else who was supposedly aware of a later, alleged conversation between Kennedy and a "friend." As The Plum Line's Greg Sargent points out, the authors do indeed admit in their book: "Where dialog is not in quotes, it is paraphrased, reflecting only a lack of certainly on the part of our sources about precise wording, not about the nature of the statements."

Memo to media: Statement attributed to Clinton in Game Change is not a direct quote

 

[kaz]

What blacks need is opportunity, handouts and a lowered bar keep them down, don't lift them up

Well, while I think providing opportunity, equanimity of it, can be done effectively at a class level, handouts are best given, IMO, on and at an/the individual level, sometimes on competitive merit, sometimes not. I don't think there's a "one size fits all" rule that can rightly govern how that happens. It'd be nice if there were, but I just don't think there is.. The trick is to make sure that what individuals receive handouts is an equitably made decision. I'm not at all opposed to doling out benefits, most especially when folks need them as well as when they deserve them. That said, I see neediness as more important than deservedness, but both are nonetheless relevant.

How is it a handout if it's done on "merit?"

 

[Unkotare]

None of you right wingers have addressed the intent of the O/P....All you've done.....as usual.....is bitched and moaned about Obama ad nauseum......

Get over it......you know, if he could run.....he'd be elected again.

Well you insulted the black community,claiming that blacks only identify with conservative ideals,just to look good,an absurd notion,but no surprise absurdity is a main dish for the OP.

i [sic] love when racist pondscum call others "racist".

Have you done that?

quiet, moron

Answer the question, missy.

 

[kaz]

That's just more ignorant bullshit from an ignorant poster.

Blacks participate at EVERY LEVEL of the Democratic Party .. including at the very top. The Republican Party remains virtually all white.

END OF STORY about how blacks are treated by democrats.

You mean other than the former head of the GOP? Or do you mean two former Secretaries of State and the one on the Supreme Court? And blacks are 90+% Democrat, dumb ass.

Also, there is exactly 1 black Democrat in the Senate, and 1 black Republican. And how many blacks in the House are from white districts?

White Democrats have done shit for Blacks.

Your argument is stupid. You're talking about a couple of appointments compared to thousands of elected black democrats all over the country at every level. That's stupid.

You're comparing a party that has opened the doors to black representation at EVERY LEVEL .. including the President of the United States .. to a party that actively and openly seeks to disenfranchise the black vote every chance it gets. That's stupid.

You right-wingers do much better in conversations exclusive to just you. Then you can say all kinds of childish dumb ass shit unencumbered by truth, facts, or even common sense.

Good lord....both of you need to put some intellectual rigor and integrity into your remarks.

There are quite a few "relevant" black Republicans.

1. Ben Carson — renowned pediatric neurosurgeon; likely 2016 presidential candidate
2. Colin Powell — former secretary of state; U.S. Army general
3. Condoleezza Rice — former secretary of state
4. Clarence Thomas — Supreme Court justice
5. Mia Love — U.S. congresswoman, Utah
6. Tim Scott — U.S. senator, South Carolina
7. Jason Riley — Wall Street Journal editorial writer; author, “Please Stop Helping Us”
8. Michael Powell — former chairman, Federal Communications Commission; president, National Cable & Telecommunications Association
9. Will Hurd — Texas congressman
10. Herman Cain — businessman; 2012 presidential candidate
11. Thomas Sowell — economist; author
12. Allen West — former congressman, Florida; ex-Army officer
13. Janice Rogers Brown — D.C. Circuit judge
14. Shaquille O'Neal — retired NBA star; actor
15. Michael Steele — former chairman, Republican National Committee
16. Antonio Williams — director of government relations, Comcast
17. Deroy Murdock — nationally syndicated columnist; businessman
18. Lynn Swann — NFL Hall of Famer; 2006 Pennsylvania gubernatorial nominee
19. Elbert Guillory — Louisiana state senator; former Democrat
20. Dwayne Johnson — athlete; actor
21. James "Bo Snerdley" Golden — producer, "The Rush Limbaugh Show"
22. James Earl Jones — Oscar-winning actor
23. Artur Davis — Montgomery, Alabama, mayoral candidate; former Democrat
24. Walter Williams — economist; guest host, "The Rush Limbaugh Show"
25. Judge Lynn Toler — star of "Divorce Court"
26. LL Cool J — rapper; actor
27. Herschel Walker — retired NFL running back and Heisman Trophy winner
28. Joseph C. Phillips — "The Cosby Show" co-star; Christian commentator
29. Shelby Steele — author, "The Content of Our Character"; documentary filmmaker
30. Joseph Louis Clark — former high school principal portrayed by Morgan Freeman in "Lean On Me"
31. Prince — pop star
32. Alveda C. King — pro-life activist; former Georgia legislator; ex-Democrat; niece of Martin Luther King Jr.
33. Boyd Rutherford — Maryland lieutenant governor
34. Nolan Carroll — Philadelphia Eagles cornerback
35. Richard Ivory — founder, HipHopRepublican.com blog
36. Larry Elder — talk radio host; columnist
37. Jimmie "J.J." Walker — stand-up comedian; iconic comic actor on "Good Times" in 1970s
38. Peter Kirsanow — member, U.S. Commission on Civil Rights
39. Robert P. Young Jr. — chief justice, Michigan Supreme Court
40. Don King — boxing promoter
41. Star Parker — president, Coalition on Urban Renewal and Education (CURE); columnist; congressional candidate
42. Alan Keyes — former presidential candidate
43. Raphael "Raffi" Williams — deputy press secretary, RNC
44. Ward Connerly — former University of California regent; affirmative action foe
45. Crystal Wright — conservativeblackchick.com blogger
46. Armstrong Williams — radio commentator; author; media entrepreneur
47. Kevin A. Ross — host, "America’s Court with Judge Ross"; former Los Angeles Superior Court judge
48. Stephen N. Lackey — corporate philanthropist; GOP fundraiser
49. Michael L. Williams — Texas commissioner of education
50. B.J. Penn — assistant secretary of the Navy under George W. Bush
51. Conrad James — scientist; member, University of New Mexico Board of Regents; former state legislator
52. Robert J. Brown — CEO, B&C Associates
53. Harold Doley — Doley Securities
54. Logan Delany — Delany Capital; treasurer, Ben Carson Organization
55. Alvin Williams — Black America’s Political Action Committee
56. Robert A. George — New York Post editorial writer
57. Amy Russell — clerk for U.S. District Judge James M. Moody Jr. in Arkansas
58. Jane E. Powdrell-Culbert — New Mexico legislator
59. Karl Malone — retired NBA great
60. Niger Innis — national spokesman, Congress of Racial Equality (CORE); Nevada congressional candidate
61. Neal E. Boyd — pop opera singer; "America’s Got Talent" winner; candidate, Missouri legislature
62. Kay James — president, Gloucester Institute; former George W. Bush administration official
63. Erika Harold — Miss America 2003; 2014 congressional candidate in Illinois
64. Damon Dunn — former NFL wide receiver; real estate investor; Long Beach, California, mayoral candidate
65. Thomas Stith — chief of staff for North Carolina Gov. Pat McCrory, leading governor’s "Innovation to Jobs" initiative
66. Robert Woodson — president, National Center for Neighborhood Enterprise
67. Sheryl Underwood — comedian; CBS "The Talk" commentator
68. David Tyree — retired NFL wide receiver; New York Giants director of player development; pro-family activist
69. Bruce Harris — nominated by Gov. Christie and defeated by state Democrats to be New Jersey’s first openly homosexual supreme court justice; former mayor of Chatham, N.J.
70. Orlando Watson — black media communications director, Republican National Committee
71. Scott Turner — Texas state legislator; retired NFL defensive back
72. Dale Wainwright — attorney, Bracewell & Giuliani; former associate justice, Texas Supreme Court
73. Stacey Dash — actress; Fox News commentator
74. Jackie Winters — Oregon state senator
75. Patricia Funderburk Ware — HIV/AIDS expert who served in Clinton, Bush, and Obama administrations
76. Chidike Okeem — Nigerian-born, London-raised blogger
77. J.A. Parker — president, Lincoln Institute; publisher, The Lincoln Review
78. Nadra Enzi — "The Hood Conservative," New Orleans-based anti-crime activist
79. Mike Hill — Florida state legislator
80. Sonja Schmidt — PJTV commentator
81. Chelsi P. Henry — entrepreneur; political strategist
82. Joseph Perkins — columnist, Orange County Register
83. Carson Ross — mayor, Blue Springs Missouri
84. William Barclay Allen — former chairman, U.S. Civil Rights Commission; candidate for U.S. Senate in California
85. Clarence M. Mitchell IV — "C4," Baltimore talk radio personality
86. Deneen Borelli — author, "Blacklash"; FreedomWorks outreach director
87. John Meredith — lobbyist; son of civil rights pioneer James Meredith
88. Bill Hardiman — Michigan state veterans services administrator; former mayor, Kentwood, Michigan; former state senator and congressional candidate
89. Jill Upson — West Virginia legislator
90. Ken Blackwell — former Cincinnati mayor, Ohio secretary of state, and GOP gubernatorial nominee
91. Vernon Robinson — campaign director for Draft Ben Carson movement; former North Carolina congressional candidate
92. Amy Holmes — news anchor, TheBlaze TV
93. Dr. Elaina George — otolaryngologist; ObamaCare critic
94. Tony Childress — sheriff, Livingston County, Illinois
95. Larry Dean Thompson — George W. Bush deputy attorney general
96. Kevin Jackson — host, "Black Sphere" radio show
97. Michel Faulkner — retired New York Jets defensive lineman; New York City pastor; 2010 congressional nominee against Rep. Charles Rangel
98. Ryan Frazier — investment consultant; Colorado congressional candidate; Mitt Romney adviser
99. Brian C. Roseboro — international banker; George W. Bush Treasury Department official
100. David Webb — talk radio host; political columnist

I think the black community recognizes some of them as being relevant not only as blacks, but also as conservatives.

Though not as long as the list of black Democrats or white Republicans, the list of former and current elected/political blacks is pretty long.

(Looking over that list, I was kinda surprised. There are a few blacks on that list whom I've known since my childhood, though as with many childhood friendships, we don't routinely socialize as adults, even though our paths occasionally cross. Thinking back, I can recall them being objects of ridicule by other black high schoolers. I never really understood that.)

Facts aren't exactly the friend of liberalism

Facts are everyone's friend. Regardless of their approaches to resolving economic and social dilemmas, I firmly believe most liberals and conservatives alike aim to and think they are acting and supporting policies that are in the overall best interests of the country. I also believe one must have that premise as a foundation in any effort to intelligently analyze, weigh and debate political proposals, no matter from whence they issue. It's my observation that anyone who doesn't believe and keep that premise in mind will, meaning to or not, devolve into some sort of fallacious BS. I can assure you, fallacious BS is highly unproductive as goes getting anywhere nearer to a viable solution.

No, when liberals are saying things like that you can fight terrorism with gun control and that people will pay someone worth $5 an hour $7.25, facts are not their friends. Republicans suck, but leftists are just fundamentally dishonest. Matt Stone (see my sig) had it right

 

[kaz]

Republicans support the same rules for blacks as whites,

....and the above largely due to democrats passing LAWS to ensure that such would happen......Legalizing parity in education, hiring, housing, voting, etc.

You're a fucking idiot. "Affirmative action" is nothing of the sort. You are saying blacks can't make it on a level playing field. You are actually a real life racist

 

[kaz]

You mean other than the former head of the GOP? Or do you mean two former Secretaries of State and the one on the Supreme Court? And blacks are 90+% Democrat, dumb ass.

Also, there is exactly 1 black Democrat in the Senate, and 1 black Republican. And how many blacks in the House are from white districts?

White Democrats have done shit for Blacks.

Your argument is stupid. You're talking about a couple of appointments compared to thousands of elected black democrats all over the country at every level. That's stupid.

You're comparing a party that has opened the doors to black representation at EVERY LEVEL .. including the President of the United States .. to a party that actively and openly seeks to disenfranchise the black vote every chance it gets. That's stupid.

You right-wingers do much better in conversations exclusive to just you. Then you can say all kinds of childish dumb ass shit unencumbered by truth, facts, or even common sense.

Good lord....both of you need to put some intellectual rigor and integrity into your remarks.

There are quite a few "relevant" black Republicans.

1. Ben Carson — renowned pediatric neurosurgeon; likely 2016 presidential candidate
2. Colin Powell — former secretary of state; U.S. Army general
3. Condoleezza Rice — former secretary of state
4. Clarence Thomas — Supreme Court justice
5. Mia Love — U.S. congresswoman, Utah
6. Tim Scott — U.S. senator, South Carolina
7. Jason Riley — Wall Street Journal editorial writer; author, “Please Stop Helping Us”
8. Michael Powell — former chairman, Federal Communications Commission; president, National Cable & Telecommunications Association
9. Will Hurd — Texas congressman
10. Herman Cain — businessman; 2012 presidential candidate
11. Thomas Sowell — economist; author
12. Allen West — former congressman, Florida; ex-Army officer
13. Janice Rogers Brown — D.C. Circuit judge
14. Shaquille O'Neal — retired NBA star; actor
15. Michael Steele — former chairman, Republican National Committee
16. Antonio Williams — director of government relations, Comcast
17. Deroy Murdock — nationally syndicated columnist; businessman
18. Lynn Swann — NFL Hall of Famer; 2006 Pennsylvania gubernatorial nominee
19. Elbert Guillory — Louisiana state senator; former Democrat
20. Dwayne Johnson — athlete; actor
21. James "Bo Snerdley" Golden — producer, "The Rush Limbaugh Show"
22. James Earl Jones — Oscar-winning actor
23. Artur Davis — Montgomery, Alabama, mayoral candidate; former Democrat
24. Walter Williams — economist; guest host, "The Rush Limbaugh Show"
25. Judge Lynn Toler — star of "Divorce Court"
26. LL Cool J — rapper; actor
27. Herschel Walker — retired NFL running back and Heisman Trophy winner
28. Joseph C. Phillips — "The Cosby Show" co-star; Christian commentator
29. Shelby Steele — author, "The Content of Our Character"; documentary filmmaker
30. Joseph Louis Clark — former high school principal portrayed by Morgan Freeman in "Lean On Me"
31. Prince — pop star
32. Alveda C. King — pro-life activist; former Georgia legislator; ex-Democrat; niece of Martin Luther King Jr.
33. Boyd Rutherford — Maryland lieutenant governor
34. Nolan Carroll — Philadelphia Eagles cornerback
35. Richard Ivory — founder, HipHopRepublican.com blog
36. Larry Elder — talk radio host; columnist
37. Jimmie "J.J." Walker — stand-up comedian; iconic comic actor on "Good Times" in 1970s
38. Peter Kirsanow — member, U.S. Commission on Civil Rights
39. Robert P. Young Jr. — chief justice, Michigan Supreme Court
40. Don King — boxing promoter
41. Star Parker — president, Coalition on Urban Renewal and Education (CURE); columnist; congressional candidate
42. Alan Keyes — former presidential candidate
43. Raphael "Raffi" Williams — deputy press secretary, RNC
44. Ward Connerly — former University of California regent; affirmative action foe
45. Crystal Wright — conservativeblackchick.com blogger
46. Armstrong Williams — radio commentator; author; media entrepreneur
47. Kevin A. Ross — host, "America’s Court with Judge Ross"; former Los Angeles Superior Court judge
48. Stephen N. Lackey — corporate philanthropist; GOP fundraiser
49. Michael L. Williams — Texas commissioner of education
50. B.J. Penn — assistant secretary of the Navy under George W. Bush
51. Conrad James — scientist; member, University of New Mexico Board of Regents; former state legislator
52. Robert J. Brown — CEO, B&C Associates
53. Harold Doley — Doley Securities
54. Logan Delany — Delany Capital; treasurer, Ben Carson Organization
55. Alvin Williams — Black America’s Political Action Committee
56. Robert A. George — New York Post editorial writer
57. Amy Russell — clerk for U.S. District Judge James M. Moody Jr. in Arkansas
58. Jane E. Powdrell-Culbert — New Mexico legislator
59. Karl Malone — retired NBA great
60. Niger Innis — national spokesman, Congress of Racial Equality (CORE); Nevada congressional candidate
61. Neal E. Boyd — pop opera singer; "America’s Got Talent" winner; candidate, Missouri legislature
62. Kay James — president, Gloucester Institute; former George W. Bush administration official
63. Erika Harold — Miss America 2003; 2014 congressional candidate in Illinois
64. Damon Dunn — former NFL wide receiver; real estate investor; Long Beach, California, mayoral candidate
65. Thomas Stith — chief of staff for North Carolina Gov. Pat McCrory, leading governor’s "Innovation to Jobs" initiative
66. Robert Woodson — president, National Center for Neighborhood Enterprise
67. Sheryl Underwood — comedian; CBS "The Talk" commentator
68. David Tyree — retired NFL wide receiver; New York Giants director of player development; pro-family activist
69. Bruce Harris — nominated by Gov. Christie and defeated by state Democrats to be New Jersey’s first openly homosexual supreme court justice; former mayor of Chatham, N.J.
70. Orlando Watson — black media communications director, Republican National Committee
71. Scott Turner — Texas state legislator; retired NFL defensive back
72. Dale Wainwright — attorney, Bracewell & Giuliani; former associate justice, Texas Supreme Court
73. Stacey Dash — actress; Fox News commentator
74. Jackie Winters — Oregon state senator
75. Patricia Funderburk Ware — HIV/AIDS expert who served in Clinton, Bush, and Obama administrations
76. Chidike Okeem — Nigerian-born, London-raised blogger
77. J.A. Parker — president, Lincoln Institute; publisher, The Lincoln Review
78. Nadra Enzi — "The Hood Conservative," New Orleans-based anti-crime activist
79. Mike Hill — Florida state legislator
80. Sonja Schmidt — PJTV commentator
81. Chelsi P. Henry — entrepreneur; political strategist
82. Joseph Perkins — columnist, Orange County Register
83. Carson Ross — mayor, Blue Springs Missouri
84. William Barclay Allen — former chairman, U.S. Civil Rights Commission; candidate for U.S. Senate in California
85. Clarence M. Mitchell IV — "C4," Baltimore talk radio personality
86. Deneen Borelli — author, "Blacklash"; FreedomWorks outreach director
87. John Meredith — lobbyist; son of civil rights pioneer James Meredith
88. Bill Hardiman — Michigan state veterans services administrator; former mayor, Kentwood, Michigan; former state senator and congressional candidate
89. Jill Upson — West Virginia legislator
90. Ken Blackwell — former Cincinnati mayor, Ohio secretary of state, and GOP gubernatorial nominee
91. Vernon Robinson — campaign director for Draft Ben Carson movement; former North Carolina congressional candidate
92. Amy Holmes — news anchor, TheBlaze TV
93. Dr. Elaina George — otolaryngologist; ObamaCare critic
94. Tony Childress — sheriff, Livingston County, Illinois
95. Larry Dean Thompson — George W. Bush deputy attorney general
96. Kevin Jackson — host, "Black Sphere" radio show
97. Michel Faulkner — retired New York Jets defensive lineman; New York City pastor; 2010 congressional nominee against Rep. Charles Rangel
98. Ryan Frazier — investment consultant; Colorado congressional candidate; Mitt Romney adviser
99. Brian C. Roseboro — international banker; George W. Bush Treasury Department official
100. David Webb — talk radio host; political columnist

I think the black community recognizes some of them as being relevant not only as blacks, but also as conservatives.

Though not as long as the list of black Democrats or white Republicans, the list of former and current elected/political blacks is pretty long.

(Looking over that list, I was kinda surprised. There are a few blacks on that list whom I've known since my childhood, though as with many childhood friendships, we don't routinely socialize as adults, even though our paths occasionally cross. Thinking back, I can recall them being objects of ridicule by other black high schoolers. I never really understood that.)

. All traitors according to the racist here, and for whom make a claim to the Democrat party.

That "traitor" argument strikes me as little more than the modern day equivalent of the schism between adherents to W.E.B Dubois and Booker T. Washington's approaches to achieving parity and success for blacks as a whole. It think it wholly absurd, to say nothing of grossly disrespectful and ignorant, to presuppose that any black person is a traitor to the struggles of black Americans overall. That's one hell of an "Uncle Tom" accusation to make and have no very rigorously developed argument to present in support of it with regard to any individual black conservative or black conservatives one the whole. For whatever one thinks about black conservatives, that they'd, in a manner of speaking, "cut off their nose to spite their face" is preposterous.

ya.... okie dokie.

Still fighting those concussions from your head hitting the headboard earning a living, are you? Sucks your looks went