Boebert: "I'm tired of this separation of church and state junk".

[busybee01]

radical dembots are furious that the SCOTUS said a coach can say a prayer after a football game...it's really gotten bad with the dembot cult.

The SCOTUS lied about the facts in the case. The district offered him a private place to pray., They did not ban him from praying. They just told him that he could not do it on the 50 yard line.

 

[Harpy Eagle]

We need do no such thing dumbfuck. Your assertion, you prove it. Oh wait, you can’t......

Nope, I made no assertions at all.

Do try and keep up

 

[struth]

The SCOTUS lied about the facts in the case. The district offered him a private place to pray., They did not ban him from praying. They just told him that he could not do it on the 50 yard line.

which was illegal for them to do

 

[lantern2814]

Nope, I made no assertions at all.

Do try and keep up

Your words asshole. “Can you prove she wasn’t one?” Now prove your assertion dumbfuck. You won’t, you’ll just lie and run and deflect. As usual.

 

[Harpy Eagle]

Your words asshole. “Can you prove she wasn’t one?” Now prove your assertion dumbfuck. You won’t, you’ll just lie and run and deflect. As usual.

Yes, my words. But I never said she was one, just ask if the person making the assertion she was not could prove it.

Asserting she was not is no different than asserting she was, both should be supported if one is going to make such a claim.

As for me, I do not know and do not care

 

[g5000]

Give them credit: They're no longer even trying to hide it. And why should they? They know they have the Supreme Court in their pocket.

I'm not kidding when I say that the current incarnation of the Republican Party is pushing for an authoritarian Nationalist Theocracy.

"The Church is supposed to direct the government". Right, Republicans?

"It was in a stinking letter."

Wow.

Just...wow.

 

[g5000]

We know what patriots takes said Boebert said. We don't know what Boebert really said.

Here is the full video from the church where she spoke.

Mmm-kay?

 

[g5000]

can you prove she was not one?

Argument from ignorance. If someone is claiming Bobblehead Boebert was an escort, the burden of proof is on them.

 

[struth]

Argument from ignorance. If someone is claiming Bobblehead Boebert was an escort, the burden of proof is on them.

you are taking to a demafasict tyrant that believes you can simply accuse people amd the burden is on them to prove their guilt

 

[C_Clayton_Jones]

She's a loon

Who is nonetheless representative of the GOP base and the Christo-fascist right.

 

[g5000]

I don't see what she said to be any big deal.

First off the actual words 'separation of church and state' are not in the Constitution. We all know what the intention was, it was so that the government did not establish or control a particular religion. "Congress shall make no law respecting an establishment of religion, or prohibiting the free exercise thereof".

Second, I think what has got everyone in a twit about here is when she says: “The church is supposed to direct the government” per the founding fathers.

I think what she's likely getting at, is when she says "the church" she means the people of the church as private citizens, and NOT the church as an established religion.

What Boebert said is a big deal. That "stinking letter" to which she referred was written by none other than Thomas Jefferson to the Danbury Baptists of Connecticut.

Jefferson knew more about the intent of the First Amendment than this fricking airhead does.

The religious people of that time knew more than the right wing fundamentalists do today the harm that comes from NOT separating church and state. And it is ironic that Boebert's statement actually confirms the very thing they sought to avoid.

You see, when you mix church and state, you aren't just infecting the state with religion. More importantly, you are infecting the religion with politics. Boebert in the pulpit is proof positive of this.

I will let Alexis de Tocqueville take it from here:

The unbelievers of Europe attack the Christians as their political opponents rather than as their religious adversaries; they hate the Christian religion as the opinion of a party much more than as an error of belief; and they reject the clergy less because they are the representatives of the Deity than because they are the allies of government.

In Europe, Christianity has been intimately united to the powers of the earth. Those powers are now in decay, and it is, as it were, buried under their ruins. The living body of religion has been bound down to the dead corpse of superannuated polity; cut but the bonds that restrain it, and it will rise once more. I do not know what could restore the Christian church of Europe to the energy of its earlier days; that power belongs to God alone; but it may be for human policy to leave to faith the full exercise of the strength which it still retains.

 

[Dont Taz Me Bro]

and yet she is more the face of the GOP than AOC is the face of the Dems

I don't doubt that YOU believe that.

 

[g5000]

We need to stop stinking up our religion with politics. It is not a coincidence that Christianity is shrinking in America.

 

[g5000]

"Some stinking letter".

Jesus H. Christ.

 

[g5000]

Gentlemen

The affectionate sentiments of esteem and approbation which you are so good as to express towards me, on behalf of the Danbury Baptist association, give me the highest satisfaction. my duties dictate a faithful and zealous pursuit of the interests of my constituents, & in proportion as they are persuaded of my fidelity to those duties, the discharge of them becomes more and more pleasing.

Believing with you that religion is a matter which lies solely between Man & his God, that he owes account to none other for his faith or his worship, that the legitimate powers of government reach actions only, & not opinions, I contemplate with sovereign reverence that act of the whole American people which declared that their legislature should "make no law respecting an establishment of religion, or prohibiting the free exercise thereof," thus building a wall of separation between Church & State. Adhering to this expression of the supreme will of the nation in behalf of the rights of conscience, I shall see with sincere satisfaction the progress of those sentiments which tend to restore to man all his natural rights, convinced he has no natural right in opposition to his social duties.

I reciprocate your kind prayers for the protection & blessing of the common father and creator of man, and tender you for yourselves & your religious association, assurances of my high respect & esteem.

Th Jefferson
Jan. 1. 1802.

Jefferson's Letter to the Danbury Baptists (June 1998) - Library of Congress Information Bulletin

To messers. Nehemiah Dodge, Ephraim Robbins, & Stephen S. Nelson, a committee of the Danbury Baptist association in the state of Connecticut.

www.loc.gov

 

[Mashmont]

What Boebert said is a big deal. That "stinking letter" to which she referred was written by none other than Thomas Jefferson to the Danbury Baptists of Connecticut.

Jefferson knew more about the intent of the First Amendment than this fricking airhead does.

The religious people of that time knew more than the right wing fundamentalists do today the harm that comes from NOT separating church and state. And it is ironic that Boebert's statement actually confirms the very thing they sought to avoid.

You see, when you mix church and state, you aren't just infecting the state with religion. More importantly, you are infecting the religion with politics. Boebert in the pulpit is proof positive of this.

I will let Alexis de Tocqueville take it from here:

The unbelievers of Europe attack the Christians as their political opponents rather than as their religious adversaries; they hate the Christian religion as the opinion of a party much more than as an error of belief; and they reject the clergy less because they are the representatives of the Deity than because they are the allies of government.

In Europe, Christianity has been intimately united to the powers of the earth. Those powers are now in decay, and it is, as it were, buried under their ruins. The living body of religion has been bound down to the dead corpse of superannuated polity; cut but the bonds that restrain it, and it will rise once more. I do not know what could restore the Christian church of Europe to the energy of its earlier days; that power belongs to God alone; but it may be for human policy to leave to faith the full exercise of the strength which it still retains.

I love Lauren. She tells it like it is.

 

[C_Clayton_Jones]

‘Lauren Boebert went full theocracy, and proclaimed, “The church is supposed to direct the government” per the founding fathers.’ ibid

That’s a lie.

 

[g5000]

Upon my arrival in the United States, the religious aspect of the country was the first thing that struck my attention; and the longer I stayed there the more did I perceive the great political consequences resulting from this state of things, to which I was unaccustomed. In France I had almost always seen the spirit of religion and the spirit of freedom pursuing courses diametrically opposed to each other; but in America I found that they were intimately united, and that they reigned in common over the same country. My desire to discover the causes of this phenomenon increased from day to day. In order to satisfy it I questioned the members of all the different sects; and I more especially sought the society of the clergy, who are the depositaries of the different persuasions, and who are more especially interested in their duration. As a member of the Roman Catholic Church I was more particularly brought into contact with several of its priests, with whom I became intimately acquainted. To each of these men I expressed my astonishment and I explained my doubts; I found that they differed upon matters of detail alone; and that they mainly attributed the peaceful dominion of religion in their country to the separation of Church and State. I do not hesitate to affirm that during my stay in America I did not meet with a single individual, of the clergy or of the laity, who was not of the same opinion upon this point.
- Alexis de Tocqueville, Democracy in America

Tocqueville: Book I Chapter 17

 

[Mashmont]

By disallowing Christianity to be the official religion, the founders made atheism the de facto official religion.

But it looks like the current Supreme Court might be going the correct way on that. What is really needed is for Roman Catholicism to become the official religion of the US. That's the best outcome for everyone.

 

[g5000]

There is no "separation of church and state". The concept doesn't exist in the Constitution and is the opposite of the 1st Amendment.

Wrong. See posts 211 and 215.