Breaking: Mass Shooting at Ft. Hood in Texas ... 7 confirmed dead

[mal]

I just don't buy that he was harassed because he was a Muslim! Its an attempt to justify the killings and slander the military!

And in that, I would Expect MORE People to be Defending the Victims of this Shooting from those Absurd Claims, as Opposed to Appearing to Run Static for Major Allahu Akbar who Yesterday Gunned them Down.



peace...

 

[JenyEliza]

To be Perfectly Fair... ^He was a Major and was Picked on by his Inferiors.



peace...

But....did he dress like a girl so he could get out of his deployment?

Maybe that's where he went wrong?

 

[bodecea]

A major's (04) month pay is 6,025.20 (with Ten years in) to 6,325.50 (over ten years)

That pay is as much as a enlisted CMSGT (E-9) with over 15 years if not 20 years.

Yep...we get paid more...lots more.

 

[mal]

Beats me. I wasn't there.

Neither was the New York Times NOR the Family they Headlined that Excuse with...

Curious that they Felt it is Justified to Hearsay Above the Fold within 24 Hours of this Attack, ain't it?....



peace...

The interviewed the family and reported what they said, Mal ....

I am Perfectly Aware of what they did, A15...

They Focused their Angle on it Potentially being a Product of Harassment because of Islam, as Opposed to the Perfectly Justifiable Angle that Major Allahu Akbar did BECAUSE of Islam...

And I Assure you the NYT New BOTH things when they Inked that Headline



peace...

 

[rightwinger]

My understanding is that he was a Major who was promoted from Captain last August.

Regardless, Officers should not receive any large scale harassment because of their religion. No doubt he did receive ribbing and snide comments but no where near what he would have received if he were a low level enlisted.

 

[Mr.Fitnah]

over half of this thread

On a side note, Article is a veteran so his words in things related with the military carry more weight with me than other people's opinions.

No offence meant to anyone.


Oh and anyone saying we shouldn't let muslims into the military because they are muslim.....you need to go re-read our founding documents and re-visit the founding principles of this country.

yes muslims should consult scripture and those with knowledge before joining the service.

Islam Question and Answer - Working in the army of a country in which there are munkaraat (haraam deeds)

Firstly: it is haraam to shave the beard; it is obligatory (waajib) to leave it to grow.

Secondly: it is not permissible to salute the flag.

Thirdly: it is obligatory (waajib) to govern by the sharee’ah of Islam, and to refer to it for judgement. It is not permissible for a Muslim to greet colleagues or superiors with the greeting of the foreigners, because of the reports which state that it is forbidden to imitate them and because this represents exaggerated respect for them.

Fourthly: Whoever fights to make the word of Allaah supreme and to protect the Muslims and their lands from the enemy, is fighting for the sake of Allaah, and if he is killed he is a shaheed (martyr). What counts is the aim and intention. You can have an intention which is different from the intention of the army, such as intending to make the word of Allaah supreme in your jihaad (so long as it is permissible, according to sharee’ah, to fight the group against whom you are fighting), even if others have different intentions, such as fighting for their country.

snip

Shaykh: “This is not permissible unless the nation in whose army he is working is not fighting the Muslims.”

- “And not driving them out of their homes or helping others to do so?”

Shaykh: “Yes.”

And Allaah knows best.

snip

We want to emphasize to you the necessity of finding other employment and of leaving service in the army of the kaafirs, because that implies helping them, strengthening them and increasing the numbers of their fighters and supporters –

unless your work can bring some benefits to the Muslims, such as giving information and secrets of the kaafirs to the Muslims so as to help the Muslims


, or if your work is purely da’wah, such as giving khutbahs and leading prayers for the Muslims in the kaafir army whilst also advising them to avoid any work that will strengthen the kaafirs. We ask Allaah to keep you safe from temptation and to give you a good end in this world and in the Hereafter.

 

[JenyEliza]

A major's (04) month pay is 6,025.20 (with Ten years in) to 6,325.50 (over ten years)

That pay is as much as a enlisted CMSGT (E-9) with over 15 years if not 20 years.

Yep...we get paid more...lots more.

Whatever happened to "don't ask, don't tell"?

You're not supposed to discuss pay/grade publicly! Very poor form!

 

[Terry]

I posted the pay grade to give NON Military people a better understanding of where they compare in the chain of command. That is the only reason for posting that. *rolls eyes*

 

[mal]

My understanding is that he was a Major who was promoted from Captain last August.

Regardless, Officers should not receive any large scale harassment because of their religion. No doubt he did receive ribbing and snide comments but no where near what he would have received if he were a low level enlisted.

There is Certainly Doubt...

What is your Evidence that ANY Harassment Happened?...

His Family?...



peace...

 

[PLYMCO_PILGRIM]

over half of this thread

On a side note, Article is a veteran so his words in things related with the military carry more weight with me than other people's opinions.

No offence meant to anyone.


Oh and anyone saying we shouldn't let muslims into the military because they are muslim.....you need to go re-read our founding documents and re-visit the founding principles of this country.

yes muslims should consult scripture and those with knowledge before joining the service.

Islam Question and Answer - Working in the army of a country in which there are munkaraat (haraam deeds)

Firstly: it is haraam to shave the beard; it is obligatory (waajib) to leave it to grow.

Secondly: it is not permissible to salute the flag.

Thirdly: it is obligatory (waajib) to govern by the sharee’ah of Islam, and to refer to it for judgement. It is not permissible for a Muslim to greet colleagues or superiors with the greeting of the foreigners, because of the reports which state that it is forbidden to imitate them and because this represents exaggerated respect for them.

Fourthly: Whoever fights to make the word of Allaah supreme and to protect the Muslims and their lands from the enemy, is fighting for the sake of Allaah, and if he is killed he is a shaheed (martyr). What counts is the aim and intention. You can have an intention which is different from the intention of the army, such as intending to make the word of Allaah supreme in your jihaad (so long as it is permissible, according to sharee’ah, to fight the group against whom you are fighting), even if others have different intentions, such as fighting for their country.

snip

Shaykh: “This is not permissible unless the nation in whose army he is working is not fighting the Muslims.”

- “And not driving them out of their homes or helping others to do so?”

Shaykh: “Yes.”

And Allaah knows best.

snip

We want to emphasize to you the necessity of finding other employment and of leaving service in the army of the kaafirs, because that implies helping them, strengthening them and increasing the numbers of their fighters and supporters –

unless your work can bring some benefits to the Muslims, such as giving information and secrets of the kaafirs to the Muslims so as to help the Muslims


, or if your work is purely da’wah, such as giving khutbahs and leading prayers for the Muslims in the kaafir army whilst also advising them to avoid any work that will strengthen the kaafirs. We ask Allaah to keep you safe from temptation and to give you a good end in this world and in the Hereafter.

In summary you are saying any good muslim who strictly follows the Koran would never join the armed services of the USA?

Give me some leeway i'm not a muslim and this is an honest question.

 

[Terry]

If this Major was harassed it had to come from 04's and up because if it was a lower rank the major could have written him up, disciplined them. Until the Army comes out with this I'll not believe this to have happened.

 

[SFC Ollie]

He was an 04 the middle of the road of rank for Officers.

And barely at that ... it's the first rank they don't automatically attain ...

I know AF you have to have Major on for 2 years before they can go for Lt. Col. Not sure about Army but still most Major's are commanders of units, but on Ft Hood he probably was like the Assistant to the unit commander. That is my guess. Either way though this Major knew better in so many ways. He has no excuse. One that doesn't know military would expect this from an Enlisted E-4 but for a Major it is basically a rarity.

Wrong, he is a Doctor, it's not the same thing as an Infantry or Engineer or Signal Corps Major. A Doctor who is a Major is not very high up there at all. Most Doctors are first Commissioned as at least a Captain and almost all Specialist Doctors are LT Colonels or Colonels. A Major who is a Specialist in a field is more like a Buck Sergeant. Barely getting started.

 

[Terry]

And barely at that ... it's the first rank they don't automatically attain ...

I know AF you have to have Major on for 2 years before they can go for Lt. Col. Not sure about Army but still most Major's are commanders of units, but on Ft Hood he probably was like the Assistant to the unit commander. That is my guess. Either way though this Major knew better in so many ways. He has no excuse. One that doesn't know military would expect this from an Enlisted E-4 but for a Major it is basically a rarity.

Wrong, he is a Doctor, it's not the same thing as an Infantry or Engineer or Signal Corps Major. A Doctor who is a Major is not very high up there at all. Most Doctors are first Commissioned as at least a Captain and almost all Specialist Doctors are LT Colonels or Colonels. A Major who is a Specialist in a field is more like a Buck Sergeant. Barely getting started.

I know the Air Force not the Army. Army way of things is so different then the AF. I've been to Military Army Hospitals and I did have a Major who assisted in my surgery. That was what I was drawing upon along with AF ways of life.

 

[SFC Ollie]

A major's (04) month pay is 6,025.20 (with Ten years in) to 6,325.50 (over ten years)

That pay is as much as a enlisted CMSGT (E-9) with over 15 years if not 20 years.

But what is his Bonus as a Doctor?

 

[Terry]

A major's (04) month pay is 6,025.20 (with Ten years in) to 6,325.50 (over ten years)

That pay is as much as a enlisted CMSGT (E-9) with over 15 years if not 20 years.

But what is his Bonus as a Doctor?

I have no idea, do they get yearly bonus or re-enlistment bonus? AF, critical career fields will get a re-enlistment bonus and fly boys get flight pay.

 

[Ravi]

Who gives a fuck what his pay was?

 

[Terry]

Who gives a fuck what his pay was?

Obvious you don't.

 

[PLYMCO_PILGRIM]

Who gives a fuck what his pay was?

Not me.

 

[mal]

Who gives a fuck what his pay was?

I am in 100% Agreement with you... Absurd Discussion, this is.



peace...

 

[JenyEliza]

I posted the pay grade to give NON Military people a better understanding of where they compare in the chain of command. That is the only reason for posting that. *rolls eyes*

Hey....I wasn't taking a shot at you with my "don't ask/don't tell" comment. Just trying to get in the Friday kind of mood.

Sorry if I stepped on your toes. I damned sure didn't mean to.