Catholicism and Islam - Two Similar Gospels

[RodISHI]

thanks rodi----it's gotta be that GALL NUT thing------good news---
I thought we would have to travel to Ein Gedi to gut the things hubby described as a "kind of nut"-----gall nuts ---according to google are ALL OVER the world between leaf stem and twig---something like a pimple

I like painting with oils the best but have used acrylics from time to time. I decided I like sculpting and the effects one can get with fired glazes the best though. I tried inks when I was back in school but they seemed way to messy for me.

SHEEESH you is an artista like hubby-------he likes to make his own stuff-----even paper on a screen-----thingy. -----and he does gesso on linen and all that stuff------and cooks up the eggs. Lately not so much----poor guy is OLD. He has a small kiln-----I have not seen it for years------now into his---uhm---?? uhm-----the print thing to make etchings---with the plates and lethal acids

We have a large very nice kiln but have not had the money to pay a huge electric bill yet it would take to operate it. My mom has a kiln so whenever I go there (1300 miles away) I try to do some things.

oh----it takes a lot of electricity? well his is tiny------should I be glad that it got "misplaced"?

My is very large so yes it would take a lot. The smaller ones not too bad but generally I do larger projects.

 

[konradv]

The progression from CONSTANTINE's rule of the 'holy' roman empire and the book that his nicean council created and the laws he enforced---later codified by Justinian (his grandson)---and onto Canon law and thence to Shariah law---moving on to the Inquisition and public festival AUTO DE FE-----all the way to Adolf's Nuremburg Laws is unmistakable. The big problem with the present pope----is not that he KNOWS it-----it is that he LIKES it.

That's some twisted history! Right off the bat you you have a falsehood, Justinian was not Constantine's grandson. Constantine 272-337 CE. Justinian 482-565 CE. The nearly 150 years between the death of one and the birth of the other precludes that relationship, plus Justinian was of peasant, not imperial, stock.
Justinian I - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

Justinian II - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia
Justinian II was eldest son of Emperor Constantine IV and Anastasia.[2] His father raised him to the throne as joint emperor in 681 on the fall of his uncles Heraclius andTiberius.[3] In 685, at the age of sixteen, Justinian II succeeded his father as sole emperor.[4] Due to Constantine IV's victories, the situation in the Eastern provinces of the Empire was stable when Justinian ascended the throne.[5] After a preliminary strike against the Arabs in Armenia,[6] Justinian managed to augment the sum paid by the Umayyad Caliphs as an annual tribute, and to regain control of part of Cyprus.[5] The incomes of the provinces of Armenia and Iberia were divided among the two empires.[1] In 687, as part of his agreements with the Caliphate...

Your post mentioned the Council of Nicea. That was Constantine I, not Constantine IV. Apparently your grasp of history is even worse than I thought.

 

[Book of Jeremiah]

The progression from CONSTANTINE's rule of the 'holy' roman empire and the book that his nicean council created and the laws he enforced---later codified by Justinian (his grandson)---and onto Canon law and thence to Shariah law---moving on to the Inquisition and public festival AUTO DE FE-----all the way to Adolf's Nuremburg Laws is unmistakable. The big problem with the present pope----is not that he KNOWS it-----it is that he LIKES it.

That's some twisted history! Right off the bat you you have a falsehood, Justinian was not Constantine's grandson. Constantine 272-337 CE. Justinian 482-565 CE. The nearly 150 years between the death of one and the birth of the other precludes that relationship, plus Justinian was of peasant, not imperial, stock.
Justinian I - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

Justinian II - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia
Justinian II was eldest son of Emperor Constantine IV and Anastasia.[2] His father raised him to the throne as joint emperor in 681 on the fall of his uncles Heraclius andTiberius.[3] In 685, at the age of sixteen, Justinian II succeeded his father as sole emperor.[4] Due to Constantine IV's victories, the situation in the Eastern provinces of the Empire was stable when Justinian ascended the throne.[5] After a preliminary strike against the Arabs in Armenia,[6] Justinian managed to augment the sum paid by the Umayyad Caliphs as an annual tribute, and to regain control of part of Cyprus.[5] The incomes of the provinces of Armenia and Iberia were divided among the two empires.[1] In 687, as part of his agreements with the Caliphate...

Your post mentioned the Council of Nicea. That was Constantine I, not Constantine IV. Apparently your grasp of history is even worse than I thought.

My apologies, I was posting what I thought Rosie was referencing (in your discussion about Constantine's son with her) this and had made a typo by leaving out who she was referring to. My mistake. Let her explain to you who she was speaking of. I was not a part of the discussion, Konradv.

 

[Penelope]

fyi

Pray in mosque, rabbi rules ((as has been acceptedd for centuries)
In response to concerned traveler who feels he can't concentrate on prayers at airport, Rabbi Efrati says 'best option' is to go to Muslim house of prayer

Either way, the rabbi ruled that if the traveler has trouble praying with meaning in the airport – he shouldn't pray there. In addition, he stressed that praying in churches was completely and strictly forbidden. In fact, it is forbidden to step into a church, he said.

Ynetnews Jewish Scene - Pray in mosque, rabbi rules

In its advocacy for monotheism, the Torah warns of the spiritual perils of idolatry.

May a Jew enter a non-Jewish house of worship?

I rest my case, Judaism and Islam are more closely related.

 

[Book of Jeremiah]

I do not see the connection between Judaism and Islam. I clearly see the connection in the history of Catholicism and Islam as many others do, Penelope.

 

[Book of Jeremiah]

The Exteme Oath that every Jesuit must make:

Jesuit Extreme Oath of Induction

Do you notice some similarities in what is expected of followers of Islam?

 

[Book of Jeremiah]

The Extreme Oath that every Jesuit must make:

Jesuit Extreme Oath of Induction
The following is the Jesuit Extreme Oath of Induction given to high ranking Jesuits only. This oath is taken from the book Subterranean Rome by Carlos Didier, translated from the French, and published in New York in 1843.

"When a Jesuit of the minor rank is to be elevated to command, he is conducted into the Chapel of the Convent of the Order, where there are only three others present, the principal or Superior standing in front of the altar. On either side stands a monk, one of whom holds a banner of yellow and white, which are the Papal colors, and the other a black banner with a dagger and red cross above a skull and crossbones, with the word INRI, and below them the words IUSTUM, NECAR, REGES, IMPIOUS. The meaning of which is: It is just to exterminate or annihilate impious or heretical Kings, Governments, or Rulers. Upon the floor is a red cross at which the postulant or candidate kneels. The Superior hands him a small black crucifix, which he takes in his left hand and presses to his heart, and the Superior at the same time presents to him a dagger, which he grasps by the blade and holds the point against his heart, the Superior still holding it by the hilt, and thus addresses the postulant:"

Superior:

My son, heretofore you have been taught to act the dissembler: among Roman Catholics to be a Roman Catholic, and to be a spy even among your own brethren; to believe no man, to trust no man. Among the Reformers, to be a reformer; among the Huguenots, to be a Huguenot; among the Calvinists, to be a Calvinist; among other Protestants, generally to be a Protestant, and obtaining their confidence, to seek even to preach from their pulpits, and to denounce with all the vehemence in your nature our Holy Religion and the Pope; and even to descend so low as to become a Jew among Jews, that you might be enabled to gather together all information for the benefit of your Order as a faithful soldier of the Pope.

You have been taught to insidiously plant the seeds of jealousy and hatred between communities, provinces, states that were at peace, and incite them to deeds of blood, involving them in war with each other, and to create revolutions and civil wars in countries that were independent and prosperous, cultivating the arts and the sciences and enjoying the blessings of peace. To take sides with the combatants and to act secretly with your brother Jesuit, who might be engaged on the other side, but openly opposed to that with which you might be connected, only that the Church might be the gainer in the end, in the conditions fixed in the treaties for peace and that the end justifies the means.

You have been taught your duty as a spy, to gather all statistics, facts and information in your power from every source; to ingratiate yourself into the confidence of the family circle of Protestants and heretics of every class and character, as well as that of the merchant, the banker, the lawyer, among the schools and universities, in parliaments and legislatures, and the judiciaries and councils of state, and to be all things to all men, for the Pope's sake, whose servants we are unto death.

You have received all your instructions heretofore as a novice, a neophyte, and have served as co-adjurer, confessor and priest, but you have not yet been invested with all that is necessary to command in the Army of Loyola in the service of the Pope. You must serve the proper time as the instrument and executioner as directed by your superiors; for none can command here who has not consecrated his labors with the blood of the heretic; for "without the shedding of blood no man can be saved." Therefore, to fit yourself for your work and make your own salvation sure, you will, in addition to your former oath of obedience to your order and allegiance to the Pope, repeat after me---

The Extreme Oath of the Jesuits:

"1, _ now, in the presence of Almighty God, the Blessed Virgin Mary, the blessed Michael the Archangel, the blessed St. John the Baptist, the holy Apostles St. Peter and St. Paul and all the saints and sacred hosts of heaven, and to you, my ghostly father, the Superior General of the Society of Jesus, founded by St. Ignatius Loyola in the Pontificate of Paul the Third, and continued to the present, do by the womb of the virgin, the matrix of God, and the rod of Jesus Christ, declare and swear, that his holiness the Pope is Christ's Vice-regent and is the true and only head of the Catholic or Universal Church throughout the earth; and that by virtue of the keys of binding and loosing, given to his Holiness by my Savior, Jesus Christ, he hath power to depose heretical kings, princes, states, commonwealths and governments, all being illegal without his sacred confirmation and that they may safely be destroyed. Therefore, to the utmost of my power I shall and will defend this doctrine of his Holiness' right and custom against all usurpers of the heretical or Protestant authority whatever, especially the Lutheran of Germany, Holland, Denmark, Sweden, Norway, and the now pretended authority and churches of England and Scotland, and branches of the same now established in Ireland and on the Continent of America and elsewhere; and all adherents in regard that they be usurped and heretical, opposing the sacred Mother Church of Rome. I do now renounce and disown any allegiance as due to any heretical king, prince or state named Protestants or Liberals, or obedience to any of the laws, magistrates or officers.

I do further declare that the doctrine of the churches of England and Scotland, of the Calvinists, Huguenots and others of the name Protestants or Liberals to be damnable and they themselves damned who will not forsake the same.

I do further declare, that I will help, assist, and advise all or any of his Holiness' agents in any place wherever I shall be, in Switzerland, Germany, Holland, Denmark, Sweden, Norway, England, Ireland or America, or in any other Kingdom or territory I shall come to, and do my uttermost to extirpate the heretical Protestants or Liberals' doctrines and to destroy all their pretended powers, regal or otherwise.

I do further promise and declare, that notwithstanding I am dispensed with, to assume my religion heretical, for the propaganda of the Mother Church's interest, to keep secret and private all her agents' counsels from time to time, as they may entrust me and not to divulge, directly or indirectly, by word, writing or circumstance whatever; but to execute all that shall be proposed, given in charge or discovered unto me, by you, my ghostly father, or any of this sacred covenant.

I do further promise and declare, that I will have no opinion or will of my own, or any mental reservation whatever, even as a corpse or cadaver (perinde ac cadaver), but will unhesitatingly obey each and every command that I may receive from my superiors in the Militia of the Pope and of Jesus Christ.

That I may go to any part of the world withersoever I may be sent, to the frozen regions of the North, the burning sands of the desert of Africa, or the jungles of India, to the centers of civilization of Europe, or to the wild haunts of the barbarous savages of America, without murmuring or repining, and will be submissive in all things whatsoever communicated to me.

I furthermore promise and declare that I will, when opportunity present, make and wage relentless war, secretly or openly, against all heretics, Protestants and Liberals, as I am directed to do, to extirpate and exterminate them from the face of the whole earth; and that I will spare neither age, sex or condition; and that I will hang, waste, boil, flay, strangle and bury alive these infamous heretics, rip up the stomachs and wombs of their women and crush their infants' heads against the walls, in order to annihilate forever their execrable race. That when the same cannot be done openly, I will secretly use the poisoned cup, the strangulating cord, the steel of the poniard or the leaden bullet, regardless of the honor, rank, dignity, or authority of the person or persons, whatever may be their condition in life, either public or private, as I at any time may be directed so to do by any agent of the Pope or Superior of the Brotherhood of the Holy Faith, of the Society of Jesus.

In confirmation of which, I hereby dedicate my life, my soul and all my corporal powers, and with this dagger which I now receive, I will subscribe my name written in my own blood, in testimony thereof; and should I prove false or weaken in my determination, may my brethren and fellow soldiers of the Militia of the Pope cut off my hands and my feet, and my throat from ear to ear, my belly opened and sulphur burned therein, with all the punishment that can be inflicted upon me on earth and my soul be tortured by demons in an eternal hell forever!

All of which, I, _, do swear by the Blessed Trinity and blessed Sacraments, which I am now to receive, to perform and on my part to keep inviolable; and do call all the heavenly and glorious host of heaven to witness the blessed Sacrament of the Eucharist, and witness the same further with my name written and with the point of this dagger dipped in my own blood and sealed in the face of this holy covenant."

(He receives the wafer from the Superior and writes his name with the point of his dagger dipped in his own blood taken from over his heart.)

Superior:

"You will now rise to your feet and I will instruct you in the Catechism necessary to make yourself known to any member of the Society of Jesus belonging to this rank.

In the first place, you, as a Brother Jesuit, will with another mutually make the ordinary sign of the cross as any ordinary Roman Catholic would; then one cross his wrists, the palms of his hands open, and the other in answer crosses his feet, one above the other; the first points with forefinger of the right hand to the center of the palm of the left, the other with the forefinger of the left hand points to the center of the palm of the right; the first then with his right hand makes a circle around his head, touching it; the other then with the forefinger of his left hand touches the left side of his body just below his heart; the first then with his right hand draws it across the throat of the other, and the latter then with a dagger down the stomach and abdomen of the first. The first then says Iustum; and the other answers Necar; the first Reges. The other answers Impious." (The meaning of which has already been explained.) "The first will then present a small piece of paper folded in a peculiar manner, four times, which the other will cut longitudinally and on opening the name Jesu will be found written upon the head and arms of a cross three times. You will then give and receive with him the following questions and answers:

Question —From whither do you come? Answer — The Holy faith.

Q. —Whom do you serve?

A. —The Holy Father at Rome, the Pope, and the Roman Catholic Church Universal throughout the world.

Q. —Who commands you?

A. —The Successor of St. Ignatius Loyola, the founder of the Society of Jesus or the Soldiers of Jesus Christ.

Q. —Who received you? A. —A venerable man in white hair.

Q. —How?

A. —With a naked dagger, I kneeling upon the cross beneath the banners of the Pope and of our sacred order.

Q. —Did you take an oath?

A. —I did, to destroy heretics and their governments and rulers, and to spare neither age, sex nor condition. To be as a corpse without any opinion or will of my own, but to implicitly obey my Superiors in all things without hesitation of murmuring.

Q. —Will you do that? A. —I will.

Q. —How do you travel? A. —In the bark of Peter the fisherman.

Q. —Whither do you travel? A. —To the four quarters of the globe. Q. —For what purpose?

A. —To obey the orders of my general and Superiors and execute the will of the Pope and faithfully fulfill the conditions of my oaths.

Q. —Go ye, then, into all the world and take possession of all lands in the name of the Pope. He who will not accept him as the Vicar of Jesus and his Vice-regent on earth, let him be accursed and exterminated."

Editor's Notes

Alberto Ribera taking the Jesuit oath.


This oath is taken from the book Subterranean Rome by Carlos Didier, translated from the French and published in New York in 1843. Dr. Alberto Rivera escaped from the Jesuit Order in 1967, and he describes his Jesuit oath in exactly the same way as it appears in this book. Semper idem: always the same.

The Jesuit Oath of Induction is also recorded in the Congressional Record of the U.S. (House Bill 1523, Contested election case of Eugene C. Bonniwell, against Thos. S. Butler, Feb. 15, 1913, pp. 3215-3216).


Jesuit Extreme Oath of Induction

 

[Book of Jeremiah]

Watch what happens when Jesuit General - Black Pope Adolfo Pashon is asked about the Jesuit Oath and what happens toward the end of this video will really surprise you! All Catholics MUST SEE THIS! THIS IS YOUR JESUIT GENERAL BLACK POPE TALKING HERE!

 

[Penelope]

I do not see the connection between Judaism and Islam. I clearly see the connection in the history of Catholicism and Islam as many others do, Penelope.

Guno just gave links that jews can go to prayer in Mosques but not Churches.

 

[irosie91]

fyi

Pray in mosque, rabbi rules ((as has been acceptedd for centuries)
In response to concerned traveler who feels he can't concentrate on prayers at airport, Rabbi Efrati says 'best option' is to go to Muslim house of prayer

Either way, the rabbi ruled that if the traveler has trouble praying with meaning in the airport – he shouldn't pray there. In addition, he stressed that praying in churches was completely and strictly forbidden. In fact, it is forbidden to step into a church, he said.

Ynetnews Jewish Scene - Pray in mosque, rabbi rules

In its advocacy for monotheism, the Torah warns of the spiritual perils of idolatry.

May a Jew enter a non-Jewish house of worship?

I rest my case, Judaism and Islam are more closely related.

you never had a case-----the only reason a mosque is better than a church (at least an RC church <gasp,,godforbid> is because mosques don't have idols. This discussion goes all they way back to Maimonides---before Martin Luther. A quaker church would be better than a mosque---but there were
no quaker churches around where and when Maimonides lived. You seem to have missed the "as has been accepted
for centuries..." ie long before the quakers hit

 

[irosie91]

thanks rodi----it's gotta be that GALL NUT thing------good news---
I thought we would have to travel to Ein Gedi to gut the things hubby described as a "kind of nut"-----gall nuts ---according to google are ALL OVER the world between leaf stem and twig---something like a pimple

I like painting with oils the best but have used acrylics from time to time. I decided I like sculpting and the effects one can get with fired glazes the best though. I tried inks when I was back in school but they seemed way to messy for me.

SHEEESH you is an artista like hubby-------he likes to make his own stuff-----even paper on a screen-----thingy. -----and he does gesso on linen and all that stuff------and cooks up the eggs. Lately not so much----poor guy is OLD. He has a small kiln-----I have not seen it for years------now into his---uhm---?? uhm-----the print thing to make etchings---with the plates and lethal acids

We have a large very nice kiln but have not had the money to pay a huge electric bill yet it would take to operate it. My mom has a kiln so whenever I go there (1300 miles away) I try to do some things.

oh----it takes a lot of electricity? well his is tiny------should I be glad that it got "misplaced"?

My is very large so yes it would take a lot. The smaller ones not too bad but generally I do larger projects.

I do not recall hubby ever using his kiln------but I have known him only about 30 years. I WANNA USE IT.........but I don't know how

 

[RodISHI]

I like painting with oils the best but have used acrylics from time to time. I decided I like sculpting and the effects one can get with fired glazes the best though. I tried inks when I was back in school but they seemed way to messy for me.

SHEEESH you is an artista like hubby-------he likes to make his own stuff-----even paper on a screen-----thingy. -----and he does gesso on linen and all that stuff------and cooks up the eggs. Lately not so much----poor guy is OLD. He has a small kiln-----I have not seen it for years------now into his---uhm---?? uhm-----the print thing to make etchings---with the plates and lethal acids

We have a large very nice kiln but have not had the money to pay a huge electric bill yet it would take to operate it. My mom has a kiln so whenever I go there (1300 miles away) I try to do some things.

oh----it takes a lot of electricity? well his is tiny------should I be glad that it got "misplaced"?

My is very large so yes it would take a lot. The smaller ones not too bad but generally I do larger projects.

I do not recall hubby ever using his kiln------but I have known him only about 30 years. I WANNA USE IT.........but I don't know how

They are generally very easy to use. Just get some clay and play with it. Find the temperature setting for the clay you choose and cook it. A timer comes in handy for the older kilns as it takes x amount of time to get the clay cooked to the temps needed to harden it properly. Just make sure you don't have any enclosed air pockets in whatever you put together when it is finished to the product you want and make sure the clay is fully dried. If you leave air pockets in the clay your project will explode in the kiln.

 

[irosie91]

SHEEESH you is an artista like hubby-------he likes to make his own stuff-----even paper on a screen-----thingy. -----and he does gesso on linen and all that stuff------and cooks up the eggs. Lately not so much----poor guy is OLD. He has a small kiln-----I have not seen it for years------now into his---uhm---?? uhm-----the print thing to make etchings---with the plates and lethal acids

We have a large very nice kiln but have not had the money to pay a huge electric bill yet it would take to operate it. My mom has a kiln so whenever I go there (1300 miles away) I try to do some things.

oh----it takes a lot of electricity? well his is tiny------should I be glad that it got "misplaced"?

My is very large so yes it would take a lot. The smaller ones not too bad but generally I do larger projects.

I do not recall hubby ever using his kiln------but I have known him only about 30 years. I WANNA USE IT.........but I don't know how

They are generally very easy to use. Just get some clay and play with it. Find the temperature setting for the clay you choose and cook it. A timer comes in handy for the older kilns as it takes x amount of time to get the clay cooked to the temps needed to harden it properly. Just make sure you don't have any enclosed air pockets in whatever you put together when it is finished to the product you want and make sure the clay is fully dried. If you leave air pockets in the clay your project will explode in the kiln.

oh-----what about baking---uhm stuff to do ENAMEL?

 

[Book of Jeremiah]

I do not see the connection between Judaism and Islam. I clearly see the connection in the history of Catholicism and Islam as many others do, Penelope.

Guno just gave links that jews can go to prayer in Mosques but not Churches.

Jews have a free will. They can go to church if they want to. Your speaking of one rabbi who thinks every Jew will do what he tells them to do. I've seen Pastors attempt to do the same thing and it didn't work for them either, Penelope.

 

[RodISHI]

We have a large very nice kiln but have not had the money to pay a huge electric bill yet it would take to operate it. My mom has a kiln so whenever I go there (1300 miles away) I try to do some things.

oh----it takes a lot of electricity? well his is tiny------should I be glad that it got "misplaced"?

My is very large so yes it would take a lot. The smaller ones not too bad but generally I do larger projects.

I do not recall hubby ever using his kiln------but I have known him only about 30 years. I WANNA USE IT.........but I don't know how

They are generally very easy to use. Just get some clay and play with it. Find the temperature setting for the clay you choose and cook it. A timer comes in handy for the older kilns as it takes x amount of time to get the clay cooked to the temps needed to harden it properly. Just make sure you don't have any enclosed air pockets in whatever you put together when it is finished to the product you want and make sure the clay is fully dried. If you leave air pockets in the clay your project will explode in the kiln.

oh-----what about baking---uhm stuff to do ENAMEL?

Generally you bake the enamel on once an item is fired. Generally enamel fires at a much lower temp. Gold and overlays even lower than enamel. I have used enamel to make repairs on broken pieces before.

 

[irosie91]

I do not see the connection between Judaism and Islam. I clearly see the connection in the history of Catholicism and Islam as many others do, Penelope.

Guno just gave links that jews can go to prayer in Mosques but not Churches.

Jews have a free will. They can go to church if they want to. Your speaking of one rabbi who thinks every Jew will do what he tells them to do. I've seen Pastors attempt to do the same thing and it didn't work for them either, Penelope.

Jeremiah---the discussion of "best place to pray" actually goes back to the time of MAIMONIDES 12 th century AD. He lived first in Spain and thence to Morocco and thence to Egypt---and was sentenced to death a few times ----his problem was WHERE TO HIDE-----mosques were better than churches for
him------one could pray in them without running into a statue.
He even came up with --ways to do it in a mosque

 

[irosie91]

oh----it takes a lot of electricity? well his is tiny------should I be glad that it got "misplaced"?

My is very large so yes it would take a lot. The smaller ones not too bad but generally I do larger projects.

I do not recall hubby ever using his kiln------but I have known him only about 30 years. I WANNA USE IT.........but I don't know how

They are generally very easy to use. Just get some clay and play with it. Find the temperature setting for the clay you choose and cook it. A timer comes in handy for the older kilns as it takes x amount of time to get the clay cooked to the temps needed to harden it properly. Just make sure you don't have any enclosed air pockets in whatever you put together when it is finished to the product you want and make sure the clay is fully dried. If you leave air pockets in the clay your project will explode in the kiln.

oh-----what about baking---uhm stuff to do ENAMEL?

Generally you bake the enamel on once an item is fired. Generally enamel fires at a much lower temp. Gold and overlays even lower than enamel. I have used enamel to make repairs on broken pieces before.

oh------I have heard-----from listening to chit chat-----the enamel often DISAPPEARS in the kiln-----probably the temp was too high

 

[Penelope]

I do not see the connection between Judaism and Islam. I clearly see the connection in the history of Catholicism and Islam as many others do, Penelope.

Guno just gave links that jews can go to prayer in Mosques but not Churches.

Jews have a free will. They can go to church if they want to. Your speaking of one rabbi who thinks every Jew will do what he tells them to do. I've seen Pastors attempt to do the same thing and it didn't work for them either, Penelope.

RC's eat pork, Muslims and Jews do not, and they get circumcised, RC's do not , many do but not for any religious reasons. It goes without saying they are lunar worshippers, we are light , day , solar worshippers.

 

[Book of Jeremiah]

I do not see the connection between Judaism and Islam. I clearly see the connection in the history of Catholicism and Islam as many others do, Penelope.

Guno just gave links that jews can go to prayer in Mosques but not Churches.

Jews have a free will. They can go to church if they want to. Your speaking of one rabbi who thinks every Jew will do what he tells them to do. I've seen Pastors attempt to do the same thing and it didn't work for them either, Penelope.

RC's eat pork, Muslims and Jews do not, and they get circumcised, RC's do not , many do but not for any religious reasons. It goes without saying they are lunar worshippers, we are light , day , solar worshippers.

Mohammad copied what Jews did because he wanted to be received and endorsed by the Jews as a genuine prophet. They did not believe he was a genuine prophet, he then ordered the murder of 900 Jews (in that number may not be exact) for revenge. I worship Jesus Christ, the Son of God. Not the sun. Big difference. All that sun symbolism of Catholicism is from Constantine who was a sun god worshipper until day he died. Jews do not worship the moon. The King James Version Bible makes it clear that they worship G-d of Israel. If any fell into Baal worship because of foreigner influence God chastised them because they were his sons and daughters. You can't discipline the neighbors kids. Just your own. The idolaters are Satan's children. Not God's.

 

[RodISHI]

I do not see the connection between Judaism and Islam. I clearly see the connection in the history of Catholicism and Islam as many others do, Penelope.

Guno just gave links that jews can go to prayer in Mosques but not Churches.

Jews have a free will. They can go to church if they want to. Your speaking of one rabbi who thinks every Jew will do what he tells them to do. I've seen Pastors attempt to do the same thing and it didn't work for them either, Penelope.

RC's eat pork, Muslims and Jews do not, and they get circumcised, RC's do not , many do but not for any religious reasons. It goes without saying they are lunar worshippers, we are light , day , solar worshippers.

I have friends that are of Jewish faith and they love bacon. Many Muslims also raise pigs and eat pork. It depends on the sect just like any other religion.