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Civil Servants Foment Civil Insurrection Against Trump

Nice authoritarian rant. You want loyalty to a dictator.

However, civil service employee take an oath to serve the nation, not the president, so you're failing on both a moral and legal level.
The government is to be run by the president. Civil service workers must follow his directives.

Federal employees take the same oath of office as Congress, by which they swear to support and defend the Constitution of the United States of America. ... All officers of the seven Uniformed services of the United States take swear or affirm an oath of office upon commissioning.
The Oaths of Office | Two Thirds of Us

They swear to obey the lawful orders of those appointed above them as well. Leaking is a criminal activity subject to court proceedings as well as termination.
Yes, the lawful orders. And leaking that unlawful orders are being given is a duty for them. It is not 'leaking', it is their Constitutional duty.

Again, you are confusing lawful with "I don't like his order politically so I'm gonna be an ass about it"

The civil service is supposed to be apolitical. Right now, it isn't an must be reformed.
In other words, purged. LOL You people resemble Stalinists more every day. No, that will not happen. We have laws that protect civil servants from political hacks.

If they no longer resemble the organization as intended by the original Civil Service reform, which was an apolitical organization that was to execute the political will of the elected officials, then they have to go.

When the civil servants themselves become political hacks, the system is broken. You just like it because it is broken in your favor.
 
The faceless, almost unaccountable, entrenched bureaucrats who live in their own little worlds, ruled by the insatiable hunger for advancement – at all costs. They are everywhere at all levels of government from local to The White House....

The author has hit the nail on the head – to use an over worked adage. The only way to change this is for Congress to make some major changes to the Civil Service laws and to enact a law barring unions from representing government employees. Until that time, there is little upper level managers can do much to actually “drain the swamp.”

Oh yes, they infect the legislative and judicial branches as well.

Full essay @ Civil Servants Foment Civil Insurrection Against Trump

I'm glad we have the civil servant who understand the law and constitution and are protecting us from the Whims of the Trumpenfuhrer...

The real problem is, Trump has no idea how government actually works.

again, he's gone in a year, and they'll all still be there.
Will he take Rush's advertisers with him?
 
Nice authoritarian rant. You want loyalty to a dictator.

However, civil service employee take an oath to serve the nation, not the president, so you're failing on both a moral and legal level.
They all also sign a 'Confidentiality Clause'.
Break that clause? You're fired and or worse.
 
Nice authoritarian rant. You want loyalty to a dictator.

However, civil service employee take an oath to serve the nation, not the president, so you're failing on both a moral and legal level.
You are suggesting that each employee has an independent right to evaluate every instruction they are given and determine whether they should obey it or not.

No.
 
You are suggesting that each employee has an independent right to evaluate every instruction they are given and determine whether they should obey it or not.

No.

Well, yes. For example, in the military, we were specifically instructed to not obey illegal orders.

You want civil service employees to break the law just because a dictator tells them to.

That's not how the system works, nor how it should work.
 
You are suggesting that each employee has an independent right to evaluate every instruction they are given and determine whether they should obey it or not.

No.

Well, yes. For example, in the military, we were specifically instructed to not obey illegal orders.

You want civil service employees to break the law just because a dictator tells them to.

That's not how the system works, nor how it should work.
The employees do not get to decide whether the order is lawful or not.

Everytime a Republican dictator is president democrat civil service employees can declare (in their opinion) all orders and instructions illegal and refuse to follow them.

Everytime a democrat dictator is president, republican civil service employees can declare (in their opinion) all orders and instructions are illegal and refuse to follow them.
 
Nice authoritarian rant. You want loyalty to a dictator.

However, civil service employee take an oath to serve the nation, not the president, so you're failing on both a moral and legal level.
The government is to be run by the president. Civil service workers must follow his directives.
Like fucking hell! You have the right to refuse any illegal order, even in the military. And if the President gives an illegal order, then civil servants have the right and duty to disobey it, and bring the situation to the attention of the public.
president Trump has never issued an illegal order unlike the boy king.
 
Nice authoritarian rant. You want loyalty to a dictator.

However, civil service employee take an oath to serve the nation, not the president, so you're failing on both a moral and legal level.


NO, they are violating their oath and deserve to be purged. At least.
 
You are suggesting that each employee has an independent right to evaluate every instruction they are given and determine whether they should obey it or not.

No.

Well, yes. For example, in the military, we were specifically instructed to not obey illegal orders.

You want civil service employees to break the law just because a dictator tells them to.

That's not how the system works, nor how it should work.
The employees do not get to decide whether the order is lawful or not.

Everytime a Republican dictator is president democrat civil service employees can declare (in their opinion) all orders and instructions illegal and refuse to follow them.

Everytime a democrat dictator is president, republican civil service employees can declare (in their opinion) all orders and instructions are illegal and refuse to follow them.


There you go with that crazy talk of the same rules being applied to different groups of people.


Do you understand that is not the way the liberal mind works?

What is fine when they do it, is pure Evul-ness if republicans do it.
 
No, it was an electoral fluke. And the clown has demonstrated his incompetence on a daily basis since then. I would not be at all surprised to see his Presidency terminated by the the 25th Amendment. And you know who would be involved in that.
 
Nice authoritarian rant. You want loyalty to a dictator.

However, civil service employee take an oath to serve the nation, not the president, so you're failing on both a moral and legal level.
i never took an oath....i had to sign a no strike paper ...but no oath.....
 
Nice authoritarian rant. You want loyalty to a dictator.

However, civil service employee take an oath to serve the nation, not the president, so you're failing on both a moral and legal level.
The government is to be run by the president. Civil service workers must follow his directives.

Federal employees take the same oath of office as Congress, by which they swear to support and defend the Constitution of the United States of America. ... All officers of the seven Uniformed services of the United States take swear or affirm an oath of office upon commissioning.
The Oaths of Office | Two Thirds of Us

They swear to obey the lawful orders of those appointed above them as well. Leaking is a criminal activity subject to court proceedings as well as termination.
nope never took that oath....
 
Nice authoritarian rant. You want loyalty to a dictator.

However, civil service employee take an oath to serve the nation, not the president, so you're failing on both a moral and legal level.
You are suggesting that each employee has an independent right to evaluate every instruction they are given and determine whether they should obey it or not.

No.
in the PO you can.....you dont have to work in the dark if you think its unsafe....no matter what the upper management says.....
 
No, it was an electoral fluke. And the clown has demonstrated his incompetence on a daily basis since then. I would not be at all surprised to see his Presidency terminated by the the 25th Amendment. And you know who would be involved in that.


raw
 
I'm going to say it again.

Shut down the fbi, shut down the cia. Shut down the EPA the DEQ and the fucking bureau of land management, the national park service, and the forest service

Unconstitutional agencies whose primary purpose is to facilitate criminal acts by the government.

The treasonous, criminal culture is endemic to the agencies, just close them and fire all the little troll asshats who think they're above the law because they're paid by the feds to break it.
 

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