Cons say the government doesn't create jobs....

[thereisnospoon]

...Cons say Obama doesn't deserve credit for cutting unemployment in have, because the government can't create jobs.

But now Jeb Bush is promising to create 19 million jobs. And Trump is promising to create the most jobs of any previous POTUS.

Hypocrisy IS the GOP.

You are as usual, confused.

The government does NOT create jobs and both Bush and Trump would tell you that. If you had a functioning brain cell to your name, you'd know what they meant but you are an idiot so it has to be explained to you.

What they mean is to create an environment where private businesses can create jobs. Like reducing taxes, giving tax incentives, cutting regulations, and basically getting the goverent out if the way.

Another ignorant left wing nut thread killed. My job is done here.

Who created the millions of jobs in the defense department? Including the men and women in uniform?

Who created public school teaching and non-teaching jobs?

Who created the jobs in law enforcement?

Who created the jobs for every business that has business with the government?

The military as well as the expenditures to equip them are essential functions of government. Doesn't apply to your argument.
Public safety and education are all essential functions of government.

 

[Stephanie]

And if you think the gov builds all roads you're an idiot.

Exactly! I get so fed up with the stupid liberal meme about the fucking roads and bridges! Anywhere a road or bridge is needed, the town, county or state vote to use state funds to build it. That's what the state and local governments do, not the federal government. Reason being, it's not fair for me (in Alabama) to pay for a bridge or road in Michigan or Alaska. I'm not going to receive any benefit from that and I shouldn't be obligated to pay for it. If the people of Michigan or Alaska want a road or bridge, let them pay for one. If we need one here, we'll do the same.

Thank you. they've been told that over and over.

 

[Zander]

Liberals love Big, Fat, Expensive government programs that intrude on peoples lives. Why? Firstly, it's how they pay back their cronies that get them elected.Secondly, it's the only way they can force their unpopular programs onto the people. I mean, regular people are too stupid to make their own decisions, right? So the best way to help the "filthy unwashed masses" is to legislate mediocrity. Lastly, these rotten shitbird program can be constantly tweaked and toyed with to benefit whatever constituency the ruling class wants to reward or punish. It's ultimately about power and control.

The way the con works is as easy as A-B-C :

A) Promise anything and everything Use any sleazy trick to get the program passed! Promise even more FREE shit. Whatever it takes!!! to just get it done!!
B) Deliver a pile of stinking, rotten garbage to the people. Who cares if it doesn't work? The cronies are happy.
C) Declare the program a raving success!! Enlist media cronies to reinforce how "successful" the program is. Repeat endlessly, ad nauseum....Success!!

 

[HereWeGoAgain]

Say RW!! I want to hire you for a job.
The pay is 50k a year but so are your taxes. So when can I expect you to start?

I make twice that posting on this message board

You didn't make anything....
USMB made that possible..... heh hehh heh
How do you like that....

I made USMB what it is today

When I came here USMB was a two bit message board barely surviving
Today, they are bigger than Google

Following Lib logic Obama and his government made USMB what it is today and you support that.

I am Obamas paid representative on this board

I made it the mega billion dollar enterprise that it is today

I had no idea a fluffer was paid so much.
So was it difficult to keep Michelle up?

 

[thereisnospoon]

The Government creates millions of jobs

2 million federal employees, state and local employees, policemen, firemen, teachers....

The entire defense industry is created by the governement

So why don't we just make every worker in the country employed by government?

Because that would be an inappropriate balance

Does everything have to be all or nothing with conservatives?

Hey, that's straight out of the lib playbook. Its in the straw man argument chapter.
Since you opened the door, here's a question......If federal employment were doubled to over 4 million, would you be in support because you believe government creates jobs?

 

[Boss]

Roads and infrastructure help the economy
Police and fire help the economy
Schools help the economy

Show me a single country with a government that provides negligible services and protection that has a booming economy

Rapes and murders help the economy.
Burglary and theft help the economy.
Wars help the economy.
Catastrophes help the economy.
Serial killers help the economy.

No one here has suggested "negligible services and protection" so where the fuck are you getting that? Why is it that when people disagree with you turning us into Socialists, you start crying about us wanting to disband government entirely and not have one? No one said that, no one implied it. I've said all along, the Constitution has a specific role for the Federal government. I believe in the Constitution and think we ought to abide by it. It doesn't call for banning all government services and protection... it specifically outlines the enumerated powers of Federal government, which I have absolutely NO problem with whatsoever.

Your perspective on the Constitution is not supported by two hundred years of rulings

But AGAIN... The Constitution does not grant the court the power to rewrite the Constitution. We have a process for amending it if there is something you want to change. The SCOTUS has a very long history of making really bad and stupid decisions, like slaves being property for example. We are not bound by the Constitution to accept what the Court decides.

 

[Boss]

Eight million jobs since 2009

Doesn't look like he has hurt job growth
Want to tell us about all the jobs created by trickle down?

Okay... so this is kind of like, if I hired you to make widgets and I come back in a week to find a bunch of empty Walmart bags where you've gone out and bought a pile of widgets and and you point to those as what you've done for me this week! You didn't "make" anything, you bought a bunch of things at retail price and I paid for them... now I have to try and sell them for a profit.

Sure he boasts of 8-million "mythical" jobs, but the vast majority of them are government jobs we didn't need to add. They are costing us money, not helping the economy.

 

[francoHFW]

And if you think the gov builds all roads you're an idiot.

Exactly! I get so fed up with the stupid liberal meme about the fucking roads and bridges! Anywhere a road or bridge is needed, the town, county or state vote to use state funds to build it. That's what the state and local governments do, not the federal government. Reason being, it's not fair for me (in Alabama) to pay for a bridge or road in Michigan or Alaska. I'm not going to receive any benefit from that and I shouldn't be obligated to pay for it. If the people of Michigan or Alaska want a road or bridge, let them pay for one. If we need one here, we'll do the same.

Thank you. they've been told that over and over.

Oh stfu, morons. THEY get most of the money from the federal gov't. Which is why we have the worst infrastructure in the modern world...

Also, right now there are 3-4 million tech jobs going begging because Pubs won't allow programs to train people for them. STUPID, hater dupes. Like free community college.

 

[bripat9643]

Personally, I don't get all butt hurt over the level of Government that performs a function. Just determine where the function is most efficient and do it at that level.

Just because you do not benefit personally from a particular infrastructure does not mean you should not have to pay for it
A road, or bridge or dam on the other side of the country may not be doing you any good...but we, as a country benefit from having it

Again, if we are to be The State of America, we need to dissolve state governments. No need in having both to do the same things. It's just a stupid waste... like having a Senate and House. We should get rid of one of them... I'll be liberal and go with getting rid of the Senate since we won't have states anymore.

A road, or bridge or dam on the other side of the country may not be doing you any good...but we, as a country benefit from having it.

You've been out in the sun too long, you're not making sense. How does the country benefit from a road in California? That's my whole point... we don't benefit from it, as a country or individuals. The people of California do... in fact, it's a pretty sweet deal for them, they get the road and all the benefits but someone else is paying for it!

A first class road system benefits all states. Business in your state may want to ship to businesses in California. Those roads may help you even if you do not realize it
Some states are not as wealthy as others. They may not be able to finance a major dam, bridge or tunnel without federal aid. We are a United States not just a bunch of states that are united.
Collectively, our country does better than a bunch of individual states existing on their own

Actually, the later is the case - at least that was the original intention. However, the tyrant Lincoln turn this collection of sovereign states into an empire of subjects.

 

[HereWeGoAgain]

And if you think the gov builds all roads you're an idiot.

Exactly! I get so fed up with the stupid liberal meme about the fucking roads and bridges! Anywhere a road or bridge is needed, the town, county or state vote to use state funds to build it. That's what the state and local governments do, not the federal government. Reason being, it's not fair for me (in Alabama) to pay for a bridge or road in Michigan or Alaska. I'm not going to receive any benefit from that and I shouldn't be obligated to pay for it. If the people of Michigan or Alaska want a road or bridge, let them pay for one. If we need one here, we'll do the same.

Thank you. they've been told that over and over.

Oh stfu, morons. THEY get most of the money from the federal gov't. Which is why we have the worst infrastructure in the modern world...

Also, right now there are 3-4 million tech jobs going begging because Pubs won't allow programs to train people for them. STUPID, hater dupes. Like free community college.

You're going to have to prove to me how the GOP stopped college students from taking classes that apply to todays job market.
Maybe if liberals stopped getting liberal arts and underwater basket weaving degrees it might help.

 

[Stephanie]

And if you think the gov builds all roads you're an idiot.

Exactly! I get so fed up with the stupid liberal meme about the fucking roads and bridges! Anywhere a road or bridge is needed, the town, county or state vote to use state funds to build it. That's what the state and local governments do, not the federal government. Reason being, it's not fair for me (in Alabama) to pay for a bridge or road in Michigan or Alaska. I'm not going to receive any benefit from that and I shouldn't be obligated to pay for it. If the people of Michigan or Alaska want a road or bridge, let them pay for one. If we need one here, we'll do the same.

Thank you. they've been told that over and over.

Oh stfu, morons. THEY get most of the money from the federal gov't. Which is why we have the worst infrastructure in the modern world...

Also, right now there are 3-4 million tech jobs going begging because Pubs won't allow programs to train people for them. STUPID, hater dupes. Like free community college.

You're going to have to prove to me how the GOP stopped college students from taking classes that apply to todays job market.
Maybe if liberals stopped getting liberal arts and underwater basket weaving degrees it might help.

ole Franco. he doesn't need to show any proof of his lies. he KNOWS IT ALL. It's always ABOUT taking more of OUR MONIES with the losers

 

[BluesLegend]

...Cons say Obama doesn't deserve credit for cutting unemployment in have, because the government can't create jobs.

But now Jeb Bush is promising to create 19 million jobs. And Trump is promising to create the most jobs of any previous POTUS.

Hypocrisy IS the GOP.

You fools never get this right. Obama's policies have hurt jobs growth, yet jobs are being created in spite of the idiot's policies, he doesn't get to claim credit for that. These candidates are saying their policies will encourage jobs growth, learn the difference.

Eight million jobs since 2009

Doesn't look like he has hurt job growth
Want to tell us about all the jobs created by trickle down?

That is because you are an idiot. I fear it will be a lifelong handicap for you.

 

[rightwinger]

The Government creates millions of jobs

2 million federal employees, state and local employees, policemen, firemen, teachers....

The entire defense industry is created by the governement

And there are FAR too many government employees.
Half the federal payroll could be slashed.
As for municipal government, its OVER.....
Even steadfast don't fuck with my job union states like NJ towns are laying off municipal employees and farming out work to private contractors.
In the past, this was unheard of and would have been met with very angry reactions. Now the taxpayers are demanding towns look for ways to not spend money...Eliminating unnecessary services or farming them out to the private sector is one of them.

Federal Government employment has been steady for the last 30 years
There are fewer Government employees than when JFK was president

 

[Socialist]

The Government creates millions of jobs

2 million federal employees, state and local employees, policemen, firemen, teachers....

The entire defense industry is created by the governement

And there are FAR too many government employees.
Half the federal payroll could be slashed.
As for municipal government, its OVER.....
Even steadfast don't fuck with my job union states like NJ towns are laying off municipal employees and farming out work to private contractors.
In the past, this was unheard of and would have been met with very angry reactions. Now the taxpayers are demanding towns look for ways to not spend money...Eliminating unnecessary services or farming them out to the private sector is one of them.

Federal Government employment has been steady for the last 30 years
There are fewer Government employees than when JFK was president

Quit talking about facts, you're scaring them.

 

[rightwinger]

...Cons say Obama doesn't deserve credit for cutting unemployment in have, because the government can't create jobs.

But now Jeb Bush is promising to create 19 million jobs. And Trump is promising to create the most jobs of any previous POTUS.

Hypocrisy IS the GOP.

You fools never get this right. Obama's policies have hurt jobs growth, yet jobs are being created in spite of the idiot's policies, he doesn't get to claim credit for that. These candidates are saying their policies will encourage jobs growth, learn the difference.

Eight million jobs since 2009

Doesn't look like he has hurt job growth
Want to tell us about all the jobs created by trickle down?

That is because you are an idiot. I fear it will be a lifelong handicap for you.

I imagine name calling is the best you can do

However, the employment figures are a matter of record. You can play games and claim that the numbers would be higher without Obama, but Obamas employment numbers exceed Bush's by over five million

 

[Socialist]

Personally, I don't get all butt hurt over the level of Government that performs a function. Just determine where the function is most efficient and do it at that level.

Just because you do not benefit personally from a particular infrastructure does not mean you should not have to pay for it
A road, or bridge or dam on the other side of the country may not be doing you any good...but we, as a country benefit from having it

Again, if we are to be The State of America, we need to dissolve state governments. No need in having both to do the same things. It's just a stupid waste... like having a Senate and House. We should get rid of one of them... I'll be liberal and go with getting rid of the Senate since we won't have states anymore.

A road, or bridge or dam on the other side of the country may not be doing you any good...but we, as a country benefit from having it.

You've been out in the sun too long, you're not making sense. How does the country benefit from a road in California? That's my whole point... we don't benefit from it, as a country or individuals. The people of California do... in fact, it's a pretty sweet deal for them, they get the road and all the benefits but someone else is paying for it!

A first class road system benefits all states. Business in your state may want to ship to businesses in California. Those roads may help you even if you do not realize it
Some states are not as wealthy as others. They may not be able to finance a major dam, bridge or tunnel without federal aid. We are a United States not just a bunch of states that are united.
Collectively, our country does better than a bunch of individual states existing on their own

Actually, the later is the case - at least that was the original intention. However, the tyrant Lincoln turn this collection of sovereign states into an empire of subjects.

"However, the tyrant Lincoln" You can't honestly believe the shit you're spewing.

 

[rightwinger]

Liberals love Big, Fat, Expensive government programs that intrude on peoples lives. Why? Firstly, it's how they pay back their cronies that get them elected.Secondly, it's the only way they can force their unpopular programs onto the people. I mean, regular people are too stupid to make their own decisions, right? So the best way to help the "filthy unwashed masses" is to legislate mediocrity. Lastly, these rotten shitbird program can be constantly tweaked and toyed with to benefit whatever constituency the ruling class wants to reward or punish. It's ultimately about power and control.

The way the con works is as easy as A-B-C :

A) Promise anything and everything Use any sleazy trick to get the program passed! Promise even more FREE shit. Whatever it takes!!! to just get it done!!
B) Deliver a pile of stinking, rotten garbage to the people. Who cares if it doesn't work? The cronies are happy.
C) Declare the program a raving success!! Enlist media cronies to reinforce how "successful" the program is. Repeat endlessly, ad nauseum....Success!!

Liberals love the right sized government

Capable of providing necessary services but within budget
Liberals will tax and spend
Conservatives cut taxes and spend

 

[francoHFW]

And if you think the gov builds all roads you're an idiot.

Exactly! I get so fed up with the stupid liberal meme about the fucking roads and bridges! Anywhere a road or bridge is needed, the town, county or state vote to use state funds to build it. That's what the state and local governments do, not the federal government. Reason being, it's not fair for me (in Alabama) to pay for a bridge or road in Michigan or Alaska. I'm not going to receive any benefit from that and I shouldn't be obligated to pay for it. If the people of Michigan or Alaska want a road or bridge, let them pay for one. If we need one here, we'll do the same.

Thank you. they've been told that over and over.

Oh stfu, morons. THEY get most of the money from the federal gov't. Which is why we have the worst infrastructure in the modern world...

Also, right now there are 3-4 million tech jobs going begging because Pubs won't allow programs to train people for them. STUPID, hater dupes. Like free community college.

You're going to have to prove to me how the GOP stopped college students from taking classes that apply to todays job market.
Maybe if liberals stopped getting liberal arts and underwater basket weaving degrees it might help.

What we need is programs for the UNEMPLOYED to get training for 3-4 MILLION tech jobs going begging, dear.

If wwe had more students getting some liberal arts, we wouldn't have such stupid, gullible voters like you lol. History, poli-sci are important for good citizenship, not Fox Noise and Rush Limbaugh.

 

[rightwinger]

Personally, I don't get all butt hurt over the level of Government that performs a function. Just determine where the function is most efficient and do it at that level.

Just because you do not benefit personally from a particular infrastructure does not mean you should not have to pay for it
A road, or bridge or dam on the other side of the country may not be doing you any good...but we, as a country benefit from having it

Again, if we are to be The State of America, we need to dissolve state governments. No need in having both to do the same things. It's just a stupid waste... like having a Senate and House. We should get rid of one of them... I'll be liberal and go with getting rid of the Senate since we won't have states anymore.

A road, or bridge or dam on the other side of the country may not be doing you any good...but we, as a country benefit from having it.

You've been out in the sun too long, you're not making sense. How does the country benefit from a road in California? That's my whole point... we don't benefit from it, as a country or individuals. The people of California do... in fact, it's a pretty sweet deal for them, they get the road and all the benefits but someone else is paying for it!

A first class road system benefits all states. Business in your state may want to ship to businesses in California. Those roads may help you even if you do not realize it
Some states are not as wealthy as others. They may not be able to finance a major dam, bridge or tunnel without federal aid. We are a United States not just a bunch of states that are united.
Collectively, our country does better than a bunch of individual states existing on their own

Actually, the later is the case - at least that was the original intention. However, the tyrant Lincoln turn this collection of sovereign states into an empire of subjects.

Lincoln took a bunch of states that were united and turned them into the UNITED STATES

 

[Socialist]

Personally, I don't get all butt hurt over the level of Government that performs a function. Just determine where the function is most efficient and do it at that level.

Just because you do not benefit personally from a particular infrastructure does not mean you should not have to pay for it
A road, or bridge or dam on the other side of the country may not be doing you any good...but we, as a country benefit from having it

Again, if we are to be The State of America, we need to dissolve state governments. No need in having both to do the same things. It's just a stupid waste... like having a Senate and House. We should get rid of one of them... I'll be liberal and go with getting rid of the Senate since we won't have states anymore.

A road, or bridge or dam on the other side of the country may not be doing you any good...but we, as a country benefit from having it.

You've been out in the sun too long, you're not making sense. How does the country benefit from a road in California? That's my whole point... we don't benefit from it, as a country or individuals. The people of California do... in fact, it's a pretty sweet deal for them, they get the road and all the benefits but someone else is paying for it!

A first class road system benefits all states. Business in your state may want to ship to businesses in California. Those roads may help you even if you do not realize it
Some states are not as wealthy as others. They may not be able to finance a major dam, bridge or tunnel without federal aid. We are a United States not just a bunch of states that are united.
Collectively, our country does better than a bunch of individual states existing on their own

Actually, the later is the case - at least that was the original intention. However, the tyrant Lincoln turn this collection of sovereign states into an empire of subjects.

Lincoln took a bunch of states that were united and turned them into the UNITED STATES

I'm pretty sure bribat is defending the "freedom" of slave owning capitalists who relied on the hard labor and enslavement of blacks.