Conservatives waking up to climate change

[CrusaderFrank]

Can you show us in a lab how a 200ppm increase in CO2 increases the temperature?

 

[kwc57]

Why would anyone consider any rep from you significant of anything, good or bad? You are irrelevant in every way.

Tissue.....bitch?

Are you actually poster GSlack? He seems to care a great deal about reps and managed to single-handedly turn every liberal poster's rep incarnadine. Is that you?

Really? Gslack turned every liberal poster's rep red single-handedly. Pretty neat trick for someone with 240 rep points. Dumbass.....but then you are a liberal, so it goes without saying doesn't it?

 

[PMZ]

Tissue.....bitch?

Are you actually poster GSlack? He seems to care a great deal about reps and managed to single-handedly turn every liberal poster's rep incarnadine. Is that you?

Really? Gslack turned every liberal poster's rep red single-handedly. Pretty neat trick for someone with 240 rep points. Dumbass.....but then you are a liberal, so it goes without saying doesn't it?

Liberals have science on their side. Conservatives only cheap politics. All you guys are stuck with only what you have. Ignorance and cheap tricks. At both the national level and this forum. Desperate is as desperate does.

 

[PMZ]

Can you show us in a lab how a 200ppm increase in CO2 increases the temperature?

Yes. With the math models that have been created by the IPCC.

You, however, can't, because you have no education and scientific resources.

 

[Saigon]

Gslack turned every liberal poster's rep red single-handedly. Pretty neat trick for someone with 240 rep points

It's also a fairly clear abuse of the system - particularly coming from a poster who has never once debated an actual topic.

 

[CrusaderFrank]

Are you actually poster GSlack? He seems to care a great deal about reps and managed to single-handedly turn every liberal poster's rep incarnadine. Is that you?

Really? Gslack turned every liberal poster's rep red single-handedly. Pretty neat trick for someone with 240 rep points. Dumbass.....but then you are a liberal, so it goes without saying doesn't it?

Liberals have science on their side. Conservatives only cheap politics. All you guys are stuck with only what you have. Ignorance and cheap tricks. At both the national level and this forum. Desperate is as desperate does.

Liberals have "Consensus", which is not how science is done

In Al Gore's peer reviewed Global Warming Bible "Earth in the Balance", he said that water vapor was responsible for the warming

 

[CrusaderFrank]

Can you show us in a lab how a 200ppm increase in CO2 increases the temperature?

Yes. With the math models that have been created by the IPCC.

You, however, can't, because you have no education and scientific resources.

"But one must say clearly that we redistribute de facto the world’s wealth by climate policy. Obviously, the owners of coal and oil will not be enthusiastic about this. One has to free oneself from the illusion that international climate policy is environmental policy." -- IPCC is admitting AGW has nothing to do with the climate

 

[CrusaderFrank]

Can you show us in a lab how a 200ppm increase in CO2 increases the temperature?

Yes. With the math models that have been created by the IPCC.

You, however, can't, because you have no education and scientific resources.

Bernie Madoff had computer models showing how his investors were making 10% annually.

See how that works?

 

[Saigon]

Ok, maybe we can get back on topic now...

Here are some points from the UK Conservative govt that conservatives here might find interesting:

• We have published ambitious targets to reduce carbon emissions, setting an example to our competitors in Europe. However, we will not put British industry at risk, so we will revisit the targets we have set if other countries fail to match our ambition.

• At the Durban climate conference in December 2011, we were instrumental in delivering a ground breaking global agreement on climate change. More than 120 countries formed a 'coalition of high ambition' in support of a roadmap to a legally-binding deal, to be in place by 2015.

• By 2015, we will have invested £3 billion of public money in the Green Investment Bank, unleashing a further £15 billion of private investment.

• We will work towards a global deal on climate change to be agreed no later than 2015.

• The Carbon Price Floor will take effect from April 2013, incentivising low-carbon energy.

The Conservative Party | Policy | Where we stand | Climate Change and Energy

Frank-

In Al Gore's peer reviewed Global Warming Bible "Earth in the Balance", he said that water vapor was responsible for the warming

Al Gore is NOT a scientist. His book was NOT peer-reviewed.

 

[PMZ]

Can you show us in a lab how a 200ppm increase in CO2 increases the temperature?

Yes. With the math models that have been created by the IPCC.

You, however, can't, because you have no education and scientific resources.

Bernie Madoff had computer models showing how his investors were making 10% annually.

See how that works?

So you're saying that math is not to be trusted? Better lock yourself indoors because most everything else begins life with a finite element math model.

 

[PMZ]

Can you show us in a lab how a 200ppm increase in CO2 increases the temperature?

Yes. With the math models that have been created by the IPCC.

You, however, can't, because you have no education and scientific resources.

"But one must say clearly that we redistribute de facto the world’s wealth by climate policy. Obviously, the owners of coal and oil will not be enthusiastic about this. One has to free oneself from the illusion that international climate policy is environmental policy." -- IPCC is admitting AGW has nothing to do with the climate

Apparently you are of the mind that those who primarily caused, and benefitted from, AGW should pass the buck on to the poor nations of the world. TRUE conservatism.

 

[PMZ]

Ok, maybe we can get back on topic now...

Here are some points from the UK Conservative govt that conservatives here might find interesting:

• We have published ambitious targets to reduce carbon emissions, setting an example to our competitors in Europe. However, we will not put British industry at risk, so we will revisit the targets we have set if other countries fail to match our ambition.

• At the Durban climate conference in December 2011, we were instrumental in delivering a ground breaking global agreement on climate change. More than 120 countries formed a 'coalition of high ambition' in support of a roadmap to a legally-binding deal, to be in place by 2015.

• By 2015, we will have invested £3 billion of public money in the Green Investment Bank, unleashing a further £15 billion of private investment.

• We will work towards a global deal on climate change to be agreed no later than 2015.

• The Carbon Price Floor will take effect from April 2013, incentivising low-carbon energy.

The Conservative Party | Policy | Where we stand | Climate Change and Energy

Frank-

In Al Gore's peer reviewed Global Warming Bible "Earth in the Balance", he said that water vapor was responsible for the warming

Al Gore is NOT a scientist.

Right, but more so than Rush and his army of not so bright Dittoheads.

 

[S.J.]

S.J.

There are - obviously - IMMENSE amounts of proof.

I'd be more than happy to post, say, three studies produced in conservatively governed countries, and produced by agencies with fairly consevative reputations. Each on a slightly different aspect of climate change. Let's say one on glaciers, one of the Arctic, and one on the link between CO2 & temperature.

Are you willing to commit to reading and thinking about them with an open mind?

If it was "IMMENSE' amounts of proof, there would be no need systematically to hide contrary evidence.

 

[westwall]

Yes. With the math models that have been created by the IPCC.

You, however, can't, because you have no education and scientific resources.

"But one must say clearly that we redistribute de facto the world’s wealth by climate policy. Obviously, the owners of coal and oil will not be enthusiastic about this. One has to free oneself from the illusion that international climate policy is environmental policy." -- IPCC is admitting AGW has nothing to do with the climate

Apparently you are of the mind that those who primarily caused, and benefitted from, AGW should pass the buck on to the poor nations of the world. TRUE conservatism.

AGW is a fraud. If it weren't you could present a measurable metric for real scientists to test. That IS how science works you know. You should look up the SCIENTIFIC METHOD some day and you will see that one aspect of REAL science is REPEATABILITY...by ANYONE.

Climatologists are the only "scientists" who refuse to hand over their work so others can test it. I wonder why

 

[BDBoop]

Interesting to see science data quietly commissioned by the conservative government in New Zealand offering immense detail as to how climate change has impacted New Zealand's vital farming sector...I think this is interesting because it details how localised some climate impacts will be, something that often seems to confuse right-wingers here, who seem to think the entire world should experience the same impacts.

Note that the report does highlight some positives - and also notes that many of the impacts have already occured:

A new report has spelled out our future under climate change - but warns there is still much to learn over what it will mean for extreme events, diseases, pests and other impacts.

The report, published by the Office of the Chief Science Adviser yesterday, also says more work is needed to understand what 2C of change over the next century will mean for different regions.

There would be less rainfall in summer and autumn over the west of the North Island - but rates could increase by 5 per cent in winter and spring.

The picture was again different on the other side of the island; the Gisborne and Hawkes Bay regions stood to lose up to 10 per cent of its winter and spring rainfall.

Extreme weather on the horizon - National - NZ Herald News

The true bottom line is that if they are starting to change their minds, then they are not actually conservatives.

 

[PMZ]

"But one must say clearly that we redistribute de facto the world’s wealth by climate policy. Obviously, the owners of coal and oil will not be enthusiastic about this. One has to free oneself from the illusion that international climate policy is environmental policy." -- IPCC is admitting AGW has nothing to do with the climate

Apparently you are of the mind that those who primarily caused, and benefitted from, AGW should pass the buck on to the poor nations of the world. TRUE conservatism.

AGW is a fraud. If it weren't you could present a measurable metric for real scientists to test. That IS how science works you know. You should look up the SCIENTIFIC METHOD some day and you will see that one aspect of REAL science is REPEATABILITY...by ANYONE.

Climatologists are the only "scientists" who refuse to hand over their work so others can test it. I wonder why

I can't imagine what planet you're reporting from.

Go to the Scienceofdoom.com website for one of many. Or the IPCC Web site. But you have to actually study them.

 

[idb]

Interesting to see science data quietly commissioned by the conservative government in New Zealand offering immense detail as to how climate change has impacted New Zealand's vital farming sector...I think this is interesting because it details how localised some climate impacts will be, something that often seems to confuse right-wingers here, who seem to think the entire world should experience the same impacts.

Note that the report does highlight some positives - and also notes that many of the impacts have already occured:

A new report has spelled out our future under climate change - but warns there is still much to learn over what it will mean for extreme events, diseases, pests and other impacts.

The report, published by the Office of the Chief Science Adviser yesterday, also says more work is needed to understand what 2C of change over the next century will mean for different regions.

There would be less rainfall in summer and autumn over the west of the North Island - but rates could increase by 5 per cent in winter and spring.

The picture was again different on the other side of the island; the Gisborne and Hawkes Bay regions stood to lose up to 10 per cent of its winter and spring rainfall.

Extreme weather on the horizon - National - NZ Herald News

The true bottom line is that if they are starting to change their minds, then they are not actually conservatives.

Yep, quite right.
True conservatives will never change their minds.

 

[westwall]

Apparently you are of the mind that those who primarily caused, and benefitted from, AGW should pass the buck on to the poor nations of the world. TRUE conservatism.

AGW is a fraud. If it weren't you could present a measurable metric for real scientists to test. That IS how science works you know. You should look up the SCIENTIFIC METHOD some day and you will see that one aspect of REAL science is REPEATABILITY...by ANYONE.

Climatologists are the only "scientists" who refuse to hand over their work so others can test it. I wonder why

I can't imagine what planet you're reporting from.

Go to the Scienceofdoom.com website for one of many. Or the IPCC Web site. But you have to actually study them.

Oh, but I have dear silly person. There is not one single experiment that you can do that supports the idea that a 200 or 300 ppm increase in CO2 will do anything. Not one. If there is then by all means show it to us....

And by experiment I mean just that. No computer models are allowed.

 

[PMZ]

Interesting to see science data quietly commissioned by the conservative government in New Zealand offering immense detail as to how climate change has impacted New Zealand's vital farming sector...I think this is interesting because it details how localised some climate impacts will be, something that often seems to confuse right-wingers here, who seem to think the entire world should experience the same impacts.

Note that the report does highlight some positives - and also notes that many of the impacts have already occured:

A new report has spelled out our future under climate change - but warns there is still much to learn over what it will mean for extreme events, diseases, pests and other impacts.

The report, published by the Office of the Chief Science Adviser yesterday, also says more work is needed to understand what 2C of change over the next century will mean for different regions.

There would be less rainfall in summer and autumn over the west of the North Island - but rates could increase by 5 per cent in winter and spring.

The picture was again different on the other side of the island; the Gisborne and Hawkes Bay regions stood to lose up to 10 per cent of its winter and spring rainfall.

Extreme weather on the horizon - National - NZ Herald News

The true bottom line is that if they are starting to change their minds, then they are not actually conservatives.

Yep, quite right.
True conservatives will never change their minds.

Learning not being their strong suit.

 

[gslack]

Tissue.....bitch?

Are you actually poster GSlack? He seems to care a great deal about reps and managed to single-handedly turn every liberal poster's rep incarnadine. Is that you?

Really? Gslack turned every liberal poster's rep red single-handedly. Pretty neat trick for someone with 240 rep points. Dumbass.....but then you are a liberal, so it goes without saying doesn't it?

LOL, yep I got mad skills.. ROFL