Dems Big Push for 2014: Minimum Wage

[Duped]

Minimum wage is an entry level position - if you can't transend it, then that is all you deserve!

 

[BobPlumb]

Usually when minimum is raised, it is raised by an amount that has very little effect on the economy. Most of the fast food and grocery store jobs already pay those that stick around more than a few weeks more than what the new minimum wage will be. The new minimum wage will still not be a "living wage" which means the democrats will be playing the same song again when the politics work for it.

It the minimum wage is such a good idea, then it should be raised to at least $20 per hour so that everyone that works will be making a living wage........Right?

No, that's what the minimum wage would be if it had been adjusted for inflation.

Wouldn't increasing the minimum wage significantly increase inflation?

 

[Duped]

Fair is keeping those who can't aford children from having them. How can you justify having something you can't afford - then burdening others to pay for them

Oh, and how do you keep people from having children, oh fascist one?

Through education, and personal responsibility / penalty! The dumbest, least educated, and poorest have the most children. Instead of telling people that the Government ( working people ) will pay for them, we must promote personal responsibility! " It is not what your country can do for you, but what you can do for you country." " Give a man a fish you will feed him for a day - teach a man..." Don't burden me with the irresponsibility of others!

 

[Seawytch]

Fair is keeping those who can't aford children from having them. How can you justify having something you can't afford - then burdening others to pay for them

Oh, and how do you keep people from having children, oh fascist one?

Through education, and personal responsibility / penalty! The dumbest, least educated, and poorest have the most children. Instead of telling people that the Government ( working people ) will pay for them, we must promote personal responsibility! " It is not what your country can do for you, but what you can do for you country." " Give a man a fish you will feed him for a day - teach a man..." Don't burden me with the irresponsibility of others!

A penalty? For example?

 

[Lonestar_logic]

Fair is what is good for the people.

Fair, for example, is having an educational system where every child gets an opportunity to go to school,

even if his parents cannot afford to pay 'fair market value'.

You would call that unfair. Fair to you would be, if you want your kids to go to school, you pay the 'fair market value' for an education, out of your own pocket,

and if you can't afford it, too bad. Your inability to afford it is part of what you would call the fairness of a market based system.

Who the hell is unable to go to school?

Who the hell can't afford a free education?

No one, but that's only because we don't let the market decide who can or cannot afford school.

Government intervention in the so-called free market lets the poor get an education.

Is that unfair?

And the government has done so well in public education.

Public education should be the responsibility of the state and not the feds.

The same with environmental, energy, healthcare, welfare issues etc.....

 

[Seawytch]

Usually when minimum is raised, it is raised by an amount that has very little effect on the economy. Most of the fast food and grocery store jobs already pay those that stick around more than a few weeks more than what the new minimum wage will be. The new minimum wage will still not be a "living wage" which means the democrats will be playing the same song again when the politics work for it.

It the minimum wage is such a good idea, then it should be raised to at least $20 per hour so that everyone that works will be making a living wage........Right?

No, that's what the minimum wage would be if it had been adjusted for inflation.

Wouldn't increasing the minimum wage significantly increase inflation?

Has it? We've raised the minimum wage before have we not? Individual states have raised the minimum wage. Any floods or famine?

 

[The Rabbi]

A recent recent study [pdf] by economists at the University of California examined every state and federal minimum wage increase over the past two decades and found that they did not lead to declines in teen employment. Their analysis included an in-depth examination of minimum wage increases during times of high unemployment—including the Great Recession of 2007-2009— and found that even in these difficult economic periods, increases in the minimum wage did not cause job loss or slow rehiring.

Do Minimum Wages Really Reduce Teen Employment? Accounting for Heterogeneity and Selectivity in State Panel Data

If that were the case, why not $20/hr min wage? As often as this point is made libs have no, zero, answer for it. If 12/hr is good and 15/hr is better and neither has an effect on unemployment or anything else then why not 50/hr?

 

[The Rabbi]

Who the hell is unable to go to school?

Who the hell can't afford a free education?

No one, but that's only because we don't let the market decide who can or cannot afford school.

Government intervention in the so-called free market lets the poor get an education.

Is that unfair?

It's not fair that people that don't pay any taxes get protected by the same military us taxpayers get protected by.

Yes, and the people who pay no taxes are generally the bottom 47% of wage earners. Nice to see you agreeing with Mitt Romney.

 

[The Rabbi]

Oh, and how do you keep people from having children, oh fascist one?

Through education, and personal responsibility / penalty! The dumbest, least educated, and poorest have the most children. Instead of telling people that the Government ( working people ) will pay for them, we must promote personal responsibility! " It is not what your country can do for you, but what you can do for you country." " Give a man a fish you will feed him for a day - teach a man..." Don't burden me with the irresponsibility of others!

A penalty? For example?

I dunno. A per child penalty. Kind of like the individual mandate in Obamacare, right?

 

[Stephanie]

In this economy and with over 7% unemployment lets do something else to hurt businesses and cause them to downsize jobs to pay more an hour

Do Democrats do this intentionally or are they really this stupid?

do they frikken give a shit?

 

[TooTall]

http://www.nytimes.com/2013/12/30/u...rn-to-minimum-wage-as-2014-strategy.html?_r=0

The effort to take advantage of growing populism among voters in both parties is being coordinated by officials from the White House, labor unions and liberal advocacy groups.

In a series of strategy meetings and conference calls among them in recent weeks, they have focused on two levels: an effort to raise the federal minimum wage, which will be pushed by President Obama and congressional leaders, and a campaign to place state-level minimum wage proposals on the ballot in states with hotly contested congressional races.

With polls showing widespread support for an increase in the $7.25-per-hour federal minimum wage among both Republican and Democratic voters, top Democrats see not only a wedge issue that they hope will place Republican candidates in a difficult position, but also a tool with which to enlarge the electorate in a nonpresidential election, when turnout among minorities and youths typically drops off.

“It puts Republicans on the wrong side of an important value issue when it comes to fairness,” said Dan Pfeiffer, the president’s senior adviser. “You can make a very strong case that this will be a helpful issue for Democrats in 2014. But the goal here is to actually get it done. That’s why the president put it on the agenda.”

That's certainly going to make the 2014 elections interesting.

It might backfire if the minimum wage was raised to $15. A small business man that hires two people for $7.50 an hour could only hire one person for $15 an hour. The person that didn't get hired or got laid off can blame the Democrats.

I suggest that by the end of this year MOST of the states will have raised the minimum raise higher than the present $7.25 that is set by the federal government.

 

[Lonestar_logic]

Fair is keeping those who can't aford children from having them. How can you justify having something you can't afford - then burdening others to pay for them

Oh, and how do you keep people from having children, oh fascist one?

For one thing you don't reward them for having more children that they can't afford.

Every state needs to have a "family cap" a policy that denies additional benefits to children conceived and born while their mothers are receiving public assistance. So far 19 states have instituted this policy.

 

[BobPlumb]

No, that's what the minimum wage would be if it had been adjusted for inflation.

Wouldn't increasing the minimum wage significantly increase inflation?

Has it? We've raised the minimum wage before have we not? Individual states have raised the minimum wage. Any floods or famine?

As your chart shows, when adjusted to inflation, the minimum wage has not been increased significantly. But if the minimum wage were increased significantly, would it be reasonable to expect that increase to drive inflation higher? Isn't that one reason we are not going to just bump the wage up to $20 per hour?

 

[Duped]

Oh, and how do you keep people from having children, oh fascist one?

Through education, and personal responsibility / penalty! The dumbest, least educated, and poorest have the most children. Instead of telling people that the Government ( working people ) will pay for them, we must promote personal responsibility! " It is not what your country can do for you, but what you can do for you country." " Give a man a fish you will feed him for a day - teach a man..." Don't burden me with the irresponsibility of others!

A penalty? For example?

I am no expert on societal reform, but I do know that whatever you reward, you get more of! We are talking about gross negllegence, and child abuse. Sterilization, incarceration, restitution ... People must be held accountable for their actions. Why hold hard working tax payers responsible for the irresponsibility / assault from others without any ignominy or penalty attached thereto?

 

[TooTall]

Pretty smart move if the DEMS are willing to play the long game with it. The nation is ready for a higher FMW. The basic lie about it is that it will raise prices. Prices are rising anyway without the added benefit of additional pay for the workers so, at least, this will include that benefit.

Again, when you have a consumer based economy and wages for the consumers remain flat, you're going to have some economic problems since your engine isn't getting any fuel. At the very least, this will be fuel for the engine. I doubt the engine will go very far at the outset because a lot of the new monies will go toward debt reduction but after that, you'll see some real growth.

THey just raised the min wage what, 2 years ago? Tell me how everyone is better off today. Yeah, that didnt happen. Why is it going to be different this time?
The min wage is not a free lunch. There isn't some huge fund of money out there that employers can tap to pay higher wages. Of course Democrats don't understand this, never having met a payroll in their lives.

Apparently it was 2009, not 2 years ago.

Federal Minimum Wage plus 2013 State Minimum Wage Increase Rates from LaborLawCenter.com

It's time to raise it again regardless of the politics.

Politically it's the right thing to do for the Democrats.
Whether the GOP wants to oppose it in an election year is up to them.

From your article:

With the current Federal Minimum Wage at $7.25, 26 other states have already increased their state's minimum wage and essentially adopted a minimum wage rate that is higher than the Federal Minimum Wage rate to adjust to the cost of living and meet the needs of citizens of their state. As talks to raise the Federal Minimum Wage increase, other states will possibly look into raising their minimum wage.

- See more at: Federal Minimum Wage plus 2013 State Minimum Wage Increase Rates from LaborLawCenter.com

I suggest that a lot more states will do the same thing this year.

 

[The Rabbi]

http://www.nytimes.com/2013/12/30/u...rn-to-minimum-wage-as-2014-strategy.html?_r=0

The effort to take advantage of growing populism among voters in both parties is being coordinated by officials from the White House, labor unions and liberal advocacy groups.

In a series of strategy meetings and conference calls among them in recent weeks, they have focused on two levels: an effort to raise the federal minimum wage, which will be pushed by President Obama and congressional leaders, and a campaign to place state-level minimum wage proposals on the ballot in states with hotly contested congressional races.

With polls showing widespread support for an increase in the $7.25-per-hour federal minimum wage among both Republican and Democratic voters, top Democrats see not only a wedge issue that they hope will place Republican candidates in a difficult position, but also a tool with which to enlarge the electorate in a nonpresidential election, when turnout among minorities and youths typically drops off.

“It puts Republicans on the wrong side of an important value issue when it comes to fairness,” said Dan Pfeiffer, the president’s senior adviser. “You can make a very strong case that this will be a helpful issue for Democrats in 2014. But the goal here is to actually get it done. That’s why the president put it on the agenda.”

That's certainly going to make the 2014 elections interesting.

It might backfire if the minimum wage was raised to $15. A small business man that hires two people for $7.50 an hour could only hire one person for $15 an hour. The person that didn't get hired or got laid off can blame the Democrats.

I suggest that by the end of this year MOST of the states will have raised the minimum raise higher than the present $7.25 that is set by the federal government.

More likely the business will cease entirely.

 

[Soggy in NOLA]

If you goofs can't see that there is a real problem when you have so many people trying to live on MW that there's a push to substantially bump it up and it gets real traction... and this coupled with never ending UI, 30% increases in food stamps, etc.

 

[NLT]

Because the were too busy taking everyone's insurance away. They're all like, "who cares about minimum wage or unemployment benefits, we have our crowning achievement, Obamacare!"

Has your insurance been taken? Mine hasn't.

Yeah TK...has your employer paid insurance been taken?

Neither has mine.

Let me guess...it's right around the corner (along with the proof of thermite at ground zero and the real birth certificate)

my employer insurance is in place but the premiums have doubled...wheres my $2500 savings obama promised?

 

[ShawnChris13]

This issue has only been propagated into the limelight in order to distract the large numbers of registered votes living on minimum wage. If those same voters were informed of the attacks on the bill of rights being perpetrated by both parties there would be riots in the streets. Push the kiddies a bowl of cereal across the table while the adults discuss the children's' bed time.

 

[Samson]

If you goofs can't see that there is a real problem when you have so many people trying to live on MW that there's a push to substantially bump it up and it gets real traction... and this coupled with never ending UI, 30% increases in food stamps, etc.

This is a long-running thread....could be combined with countless other MW treads.....the issue never gets old.

A small bump in MW has been demonstrated to have little economic impact on anyone: Employees and Employers......If the Soma keeps the hamburger-flippers, and other Epslons from Orwell's 1984 happy for a few years, then why not give it to them?