Educating Democrats: Economics

[Redfish]

I'm a veteran who doesn't take or need handouts and who knows the military is not going to cross the line against civilian control.

If it ever came to the people vs the govt, the military would side with the people---no question about it.

You aren't the people, you're kooks and if it ever comes to you kooks trying to take over this government, you better hope the government gets their hands on you before we do. We aren't going to waste time giving you fools a trial.

sorry dude, but there are a lot more of us than there are of you, and most of the military are us.

 

[Redfish]

What does the disability scam have to do with Democrats, though? Around these parts--the rural Midwest--nearly everyone is on disability, on social security, or they're farmers that collect federal subsidy checks. And nearly all are Republicans.

Welfare abuse, from what I see, is a Republican habit.

My brother reported the same thing when he move to South Carolina. It's the red states that have a high percentage of their people getting disability benefits and here is census data by states to back my observation:

http://www.census.gov/prod/2011pubs/fas-10.pdf

http://www.census.gov/prod/2011pubs/cffr-10.pdf

When it comes to sucking the government's tit dry, it's the red states that do it and that has to be changed. It's time for federal spending to be removed from states that aren't contributing taxes to pay for the spending and reward the states that pay the taxes to the federal government by spending the money in those states. We can start by moving nearly all the military bases and military spending out of the many southern states that recieve much more in federal spending than they contribute in taxes to the federal government. Let's see how much they love military spending then!

Now, THERE'S AN IDEA--let's let the states each support their own "freeloaders." We shall soon see the utter collapse of the entire southeastern United States, Arizona, Kansas, Nebraska, both Dakotas, and Oklahoma.

wrong, the states that wold collapse would be california, new york, illinois, michigan, new jersey, mass, RI, Conn----------some of them are already collapsing due to their stupid libtarded policies.

 

[Dubya]

When it comes to sucking the government's tit dry, it's the red states that do it !

when it comes to thinking it is Republicans, not Democrats, who sign the pledge not to raise taxes for more and more welfare programs. So if you want the sucking to stop in every state you must support Republicans??


See why we are 100% positive a liberal will be slow, so very very slow.

Those census links I posted have the amount of money spent on social programs, so let me see you be the first right-winger to report the amount spent! I've challenged hundreds of right-wingers to back their case against social programs with the facts from the actual data, but they all declined. Why is that?

 

[Dubya]

If it ever came to the people vs the govt, the military would side with the people---no question about it.

You aren't the people, you're kooks and if it ever comes to you kooks trying to take over this government, you better hope the government gets their hands on you before we do. We aren't going to waste time giving you fools a trial.

sorry dude, but there are a lot more of us than there are of you, and most of the military are us.

We've heard the threats, but the frogs aren't jumping, are they? Try starting your revolution and get it over, so we don't have to hear from your kind again! Ted only has two more months left and shitting his pants isn't going to help him now.

 

[EdwardBaiamonte]

I've challenged hundreds of right-wingers to back their case against social programs with the facts from the actual data, but they all declined. Why is that?

The Jefferson Republican objection to Federal social programs is that they are anti-American, lead to dependency, and diminish the incentive to work and contribute on the part of both giver and taker.

 

[Toronado3800]

I've challenged hundreds of right-wingers to back their case against social programs with the facts from the actual data, but they all declined. Why is that?

The Jefferson Republican objection to Federal social programs is that they are anti-American, lead to dependency, and diminish the incentive to work and contribute on the part of both giver and taker.

So him and you would be against the Homestead Act and that Transcontinental Railroad thing?

 

[Dubya]

I've challenged hundreds of right-wingers to back their case against social programs with the facts from the actual data, but they all declined. Why is that?

The Jefferson Republican objection to Federal social programs is that they are anti-American, lead to dependency, and diminish the incentive to work and contribute on the part of both giver and taker.

Did you back it up with statistics? No, because the statistics or data about how much money is spent on social services isn't something your kind wants to use to support your case. The true figures on what is spent makes you look ridiculous and you can find easier ways to do that.

Jefferson would be laying a luggie on you, too! He was never into the rabble.

 

[EdwardBaiamonte]

I've challenged hundreds of right-wingers to back their case against social programs with the facts from the actual data, but they all declined. Why is that?

The Jefferson Republican objection to Federal social programs is that they are anti-American, lead to dependency, and diminish the incentive to work and contribute on the part of both giver and taker.

So him and you would be against the Homestead Act and that Transcontinental Railroad thing?

Jefferson liked the homestead act cause it was a good way to distribute property and keep people out of liberal cities. The Railroad of course was not a social program, although it is important to note that James J Hill built well quickly and profitably while the government sponsored lines were a bankrupt Solyndra soviet socialist nightmare.

 

[Dubya]

The Jefferson Republican objection to Federal social programs is that they are anti-American, lead to dependency, and diminish the incentive to work and contribute on the part of both giver and taker.

So him and you would be against the Homestead Act and that Transcontinental Railroad thing?

Jefferson liked the homestead act cause it was a good way to distribute property and keep people out of liberal cities. The Railroad of course was not a social program, although it is important to note that James J Hill built well quickly and profitably while the government sponsored lines were a bankrupt Solyndra soviet socialist nightmare.

The first Homestead Act was legislated in 1860 and signed by Lincoln on May 20, 1862. Thomas Jefferson died July 4, 1826, so tell me again what he thought about it and how did you acquire his opinion?

 

[P@triot]

I've challenged hundreds of right-wingers to back their case against social programs with the facts from the actual data, but they all declined. Why is that?

The Jefferson Republican objection to Federal social programs is that they are anti-American, lead to dependency, and diminish the incentive to work and contribute on the part of both giver and taker.

Did you back it up with statistics? No, because the statistics or data about how much money is spent on social services isn't something your kind wants to use to support your case. The true figures on what is spent makes you look ridiculous and you can find easier ways to do that.

Jefferson would be laying a luggie on you, too! He was never into the rabble.

Ok, I have to ask - do you have any idea at all what is spent on unconstitutional social bullshit? I do - and the number is astounding. In fact, it's so astounding, you sould like an epic fool when you claim (and I quote) "the true figure makes you look ridiculous". I highly recommendn you look it up before you make yourself look any worse.

 

[Dubya]

The Jefferson Republican objection to Federal social programs is that they are anti-American, lead to dependency, and diminish the incentive to work and contribute on the part of both giver and taker.

Did you back it up with statistics? No, because the statistics or data about how much money is spent on social services isn't something your kind wants to use to support your case. The true figures on what is spent makes you look ridiculous and you can find easier ways to do that.

Jefferson would be laying a luggie on you, too! He was never into the rabble.

Ok, I have to ask - do you have any idea at all what is spent on unconstitutional social bullshit? I do - and the number is astounding. In fact, it's so astounding, you sould like an epic fool when you claim (and I quote) "the true figure makes you look ridiculous". I highly recommendn you look it up before you make yourself look any worse.

Then take the figures from the first link and post them!

http://www.census.gov/prod/2011pubs/fas-10.pdf

http://www.census.gov/prod/2011pubs/cffr-10.pdf

Food stamps isn't included in that data anymore, but you can get the monthly reports for that too.

Stop hiding behind generalities and rhetoric and be the first right-wing to use actual numbers to make your case!

 

[P@triot]

Did you back it up with statistics? No, because the statistics or data about how much money is spent on social services isn't something your kind wants to use to support your case. The true figures on what is spent makes you look ridiculous and you can find easier ways to do that.

Jefferson would be laying a luggie on you, too! He was never into the rabble.

Ok, I have to ask - do you have any idea at all what is spent on unconstitutional social bullshit? I do - and the number is astounding. In fact, it's so astounding, you sould like an epic fool when you claim (and I quote) "the true figure makes you look ridiculous". I highly recommendn you look it up before you make yourself look any worse.

Then take the figures from the first link and post them!

http://www.census.gov/prod/2011pubs/fas-10.pdf

http://www.census.gov/prod/2011pubs/cffr-10.pdf

Food stamps isn't included in that data anymore, but you can get the monthly reports for that too.

Stop hiding behind generalities and rhetoric and be the first right-wing to use actual numbers to make your case!

Who is hiding? I asked if you knew - you're silence is deafening...

3. In 2011, the total cost of federal and state means-tested welfare programs was $927 billion, an all-time high. That includes more than 80 federal programs but does not include spending on Social Security or Medicare. The amount is 16 times higher than it was in 1964 when the government began the “War on Poverty.”

Top 10 Heritage Charts and Info Graphics of 2012

 

[Dubya]

Ok, I have to ask - do you have any idea at all what is spent on unconstitutional social bullshit? I do - and the number is astounding. In fact, it's so astounding, you sould like an epic fool when you claim (and I quote) "the true figure makes you look ridiculous". I highly recommendn you look it up before you make yourself look any worse.

Then take the figures from the first link and post them!

http://www.census.gov/prod/2011pubs/fas-10.pdf

http://www.census.gov/prod/2011pubs/cffr-10.pdf

Food stamps isn't included in that data anymore, but you can get the monthly reports for that too.

Stop hiding behind generalities and rhetoric and be the first right-wing to use actual numbers to make your case!

Who is hiding? I asked if you knew - you're silence is deafening...

3. In 2011, the total cost of federal and state means-tested welfare programs was $927 billion, an all-time high. That includes more than 80 federal programs but does not include spending on Social Security or Medicare. The amount is 16 times higher than it was in 1964 when the government began the “War on Poverty.”

Top 10 Heritage Charts and Info Graphics of 2012

Payroll taxes pay for medical care, so how is that welfare? Have you ever heard of employers paying for unemployment benefits? How is that welfare? Either get the figures from the link or shut the fuck up!

http://www.census.gov/prod/2011pubs/fas-10.pdf

 

[EdwardBaiamonte]

So him and you would be against the Homestead Act and that Transcontinental Railroad thing?

Jefferson liked the homestead act cause it was a good way to distribute property and keep people out of liberal cities. The Railroad of course was not a social program, although it is important to note that James J Hill built well quickly and profitably while the government sponsored lines were a bankrupt Solyndra soviet socialist nightmare.

The first Homestead Act was legislated in 1860 and signed by Lincoln on May 20, 1862. Thomas Jefferson died July 4, 1826, so tell me again what he thought about it and how did you acquire his opinion?

Jefferson’s vision for America was that of a nation of small, independent farmers. He resisted what he viewed as any form of intrusion by a large6 powerful national government. He also disapproved of urbanization and hoped that America would always be a society and an economy based on agricultural pursuits. Jefferson’s dream of independent farmers making up the mass of the body politic came to be known as the “Jeffersonian ideal.” Though this ideal was never fully realized and America later industrialized and urbanized at a rapid pace6 the concept of everyone having the opportunity to own and work a piece of land took hold in the nation’s collective mind. It is in the Jeffersonian ideal that many historians find the intellectual roots of the free land idea that eventually culminated with the Homestead Act.


Commerative Stamp. 100 Years of the Homestead Act
Thomas Jefferson also greatly influenced the history of the Homestead Act while serving as President of the United States (1801-1809). In 1803, at his direction, the United States purchased the 820,000 square mile Louisiana Territory from the French for $15 million, or roughly three cents per acre. Not long after, Jefferson sent the Corps of Discovery under Captains Meriwether Lewis and William Clark into the vast Louisiana wilderness to explore and report their findings. Many of the lands through which they traveled were later made available as homestead lands. Without the foresight of Jefferson and the expertise of Lewis & Clark and the members of the Corps of Discovery, homesteading may never have existed due to a lack of suitable land. Instead, the vast midwestern and western territories became American soil and, six decades later, began to be broken by the plows of “free land” farmers.

 

[EdwardBaiamonte]

Payroll taxes pay for medical care, so how is that welfare? l]

Medicare and Medicaid have about $100 trillion in unfunded liabilities so the programs amount to nothing more than welfare!!

How slow can you be????????

 

[Dubya]

Jefferson liked the homestead act cause it was a good way to distribute property and keep people out of liberal cities. The Railroad of course was not a social program, although it is important to note that James J Hill built well quickly and profitably while the government sponsored lines were a bankrupt Solyndra soviet socialist nightmare.

The first Homestead Act was legislated in 1860 and signed by Lincoln on May 20, 1862. Thomas Jefferson died July 4, 1826, so tell me again what he thought about it and how did you acquire his opinion?

Jefferson’s vision for America was that of a nation of small, independent farmers. He resisted what he viewed as any form of intrusion by a large6 powerful national government. He also disapproved of urbanization and hoped that America would always be a society and an economy based on agricultural pursuits. Jefferson’s dream of independent farmers making up the mass of the body politic came to be known as the “Jeffersonian ideal.” Though this ideal was never fully realized and America later industrialized and urbanized at a rapid pace6 the concept of everyone having the opportunity to own and work a piece of land took hold in the nation’s collective mind. It is in the Jeffersonian ideal that many historians find the intellectual roots of the free land idea that eventually culminated with the Homestead Act.


Commerative Stamp. 100 Years of the Homestead Act
Thomas Jefferson also greatly influenced the history of the Homestead Act while serving as President of the United States (1801-1809). In 1803, at his direction, the United States purchased the 820,000 square mile Louisiana Territory from the French for $15 million, or roughly three cents per acre. Not long after, Jefferson sent the Corps of Discovery under Captains Meriwether Lewis and William Clark into the vast Louisiana wilderness to explore and report their findings. Many of the lands through which they traveled were later made available as homestead lands. Without the foresight of Jefferson and the expertise of Lewis & Clark and the members of the Corps of Discovery, homesteading may never have existed due to a lack of suitable land. Instead, the vast midwestern and western territories became American soil and, six decades later, began to be broken by the plows of “free land” farmers.

Did you say this:

Jefferson liked the homestead act cause it was a good way to distribute property and keep people out of liberal cities. The Railroad of course was not a social program, although it is important to note that James J Hill built well quickly and profitably while the government sponsored lines were a bankrupt Solyndra soviet socialist nightmare.

How does Jefferson like something that never existed in his lifetime?

 

[Dubya]

Payroll taxes pay for medical care, so how is that welfare? l]

Medicare and Medicaid have about $100 trillion in unfunded liabilities so the programs amount to nothing more than welfare!!

How slow can you be????????

Does the chart reflect the real costs?

Did the right-wing work to bring down medical costs or did they continue to support this corporate welfare?

 

[EdwardBaiamonte]

Does the chart reflect the real costs?

dear, I think most agree there are trillion and trillions in unfunded liabilities

Did the right-wing work to bring down medical costs or did they continue to support this corporate welfare?

too stupid. The right wants to reduce costs about 70% with capitalism, i.e., patients spending their own money and providers competing on basis of price and quality.


If you are not smart enough to be here why are you here?????

 

[EdwardBaiamonte]

How does Jefferson like something that never existed in his lifetime?

what did he like???????????????????????????????

 

[Mr Natural]

How does Jefferson like something that never existed in his lifetime?

what did he like???????????????????????????????

He liked the ol' in-out-in-out with the slave girls.