Emma
Evil Liberal Leftist
Putting aside the flu vaccine for a moment, do your children receive the recommended routine immunizations (DTaP, MMR, varicella, etc.)?
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Putting aside the flu vaccine for a moment, do your children receive the recommended routine immunizations (DTaP, MMR, varicella, etc.)?
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Good read, though not specific to the flu vaccine.
It's true that here in Australia H1N1 wasn't as virulent as we had feared. And it is true that there was no vaccine for us. The vaccine is available now and it is being distributed at no cost to the consumer (may have to pay doc fee for the injection of course).
It is also true that most of the deceased were people with underlying or chronic conditions. It's also true that some people in isolated indigenous communities died from the disease.
It's true that we're expecting to be visited by H1N1 during our next flu season (our winter months are June/July/August) and we are really hoping that it hasn't developed into a more virulent form, hence the hurried production of the vaccine.
I spent several months delivering training in influenza awareness in my department discussing the background to influenza and explaining what happened during the 1918-1919 pandemic and the several pandemics since that period. I also went through basic hygiene information with our employees. People have now got into the habit of using antibacterial hand liquids immediately they get into work and during the day.
As is my wont I did a bit of reading on influenza but only as a lay person, I've got no medical expertise beyond applying a Band Aid. I don't panic easy but I do caution easy and I'm going to head off to the doc early next week to get my H1N1 vaccination, my wife has already had hers before she went offshore.
I can't discuss statistics and the like, but I did read about that cytokine storm phenomenon (as I understand it it's a bit controversial but some of the anecdotal stuff I read from back in the 1918-1919 pandemic squared with what I'd read about the cytokine storm. I remember reading about a British military artist who painted a portrait (hurriedly) of a British soldier dying from Spanish Flu who was displaying signs of "heliotropic cyanosis", where he was literally being killed by his own immune system. The artist didn't make either.
I'm damned if I know how something like this can be given an ideological slant though. I'd just suggest that folks get immunised and that's all I know.
Come back in a few weeks and let's see if this terrible swine flu was as bad you would wish for others to believe.[/QUOTE]
Come back in a few weeks and let's see if this terrible swine flu was as bad you would wish for others to believe.[/QUOTE]
Stop being an asshole. Since I am in a hospital every day, I don't want this be as virulent as I fear it might be, because I am going to be exposed to it.
At any rate, my ego is not so fragile that I can't take being wrong about this.
I am not sure what that will prove. No one on here has claimed this is the "superflu" from "The Stand".
We have stated this is a serious public health concern that should be taken seriously and that this is not the same as the seasonal flu.
The only person here making radical claims is you.
Statistics are easily doctored and they all do it anyway.
Please provide you own statistical analysis that shows how these numbers are doctored.
Feel free to incorporate a p value in there to support your hypothesis.
Until then;
Shut the fuck up.
There is no need to doctor the numbers - the numbers speak for themselves.
Its mostly hysteria - this flu season is looking to be quite mild compared to past seasons. As the health official I quoted previously said - if you get the swine flu - you're lucky it's not the "regular" flu!
Please provide you own statistical analysis that shows how these numbers are doctored.
Feel free to incorporate a p value in there to support your hypothesis.
Until then;
Shut the fuck up.
There is no need to doctor the numbers - the numbers speak for themselves.
Its mostly hysteria - this flu season is looking to be quite mild compared to past seasons. As the health official I quoted previously said - if you get the swine flu - you're lucky it's not the "regular" flu!
For the 500th time. They aren't tracking the numbers of ppl who have swine flu. They are only recording swine flu cases who go to hospital. So there's no way to tell how fatal it is. Thank you CDC, always thinking of how best to serve the people.
So there are no stats to support what you're saying.
Missed the point again, genius.
Perhaps the ONLY people who get H1N1 are going to the hospital. Or perhaps one in 2 end up in the hospital.
There's no way to know, because the clinics aren't testing them.
For the 500th time. They aren't tracking the numbers of ppl who have swine flu. They are only recording swine flu cases who go to hospital. So there's no way to tell how fatal it is. Thank you CDC, always thinking of how best to serve the people.
So there are no stats to support what you're saying.
Well, most of the research I've been able to scare up shows that it may be widespread, but isn't particularly dangerous to otherwise healthy individuals.
Anybody know differently?
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In addition, regarding how fatal it is, seasonal flu deaths are 90% over the age of 65. H1N1 is killing 90% below the age of 65. While the absolute total deaths from H1N1 is not as high as seasonal flu, the relative rate of young person deaths prove that H1N1 is more deadly for younger people.
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In addition, regarding how fatal it is, seasonal flu deaths are 90% over the age of 65. H1N1 is killing 90% below the age of 65. While the absolute total deaths from H1N1 is not as high as seasonal flu, the relative rate of young person deaths prove that H1N1 is more deadly for younger people.
So...the flu's killing 90% over the age of 65?
And H1N1 is killing 90% below the age of 65?
I'm sorry..I can't follow.
90% of the people who get it??
Huh??
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In addition, regarding how fatal it is, seasonal flu deaths are 90% over the age of 65. H1N1 is killing 90% below the age of 65. While the absolute total deaths from H1N1 is not as high as seasonal flu, the relative rate of young person deaths prove that H1N1 is more deadly for younger people.
So...the flu's killing 90% over the age of 65?
And H1N1 is killing 90% below the age of 65?
I'm sorry..I can't follow.
90% of the people who get it??
Huh??
well, most of the research i've been able to scare up shows that it may be widespread, but isn't particularly dangerous to otherwise healthy individuals.
Anybody know differently?
well, most of the research i've been able to scare up shows that it may be widespread, but isn't particularly dangerous to otherwise healthy individuals.
Anybody know differently?
yes! It's dangerous to children! Read the thread and the other 20 threads on the topic!
This one apparently has quite a high mortality rate among those who are healthy. Nothing is certain, but it's a good bet that this flu causes a hyperimmune response (immune system responds by over expressing an immune response with the release of various types of cytokines - potentially lethal) because of the mortality rate of the healthy. This is the mechanism which caused such a high mortality rate of the Spanish flu, by the way.well, most of the research i've been able to scare up shows that it may be widespread, but isn't particularly dangerous to otherwise healthy individuals.
Anybody know differently?
yes! It's dangerous to children! Read the thread and the other 20 threads on the topic!
If you wish to utilize the number of cases of kids who have died from swine flu as indication of its great danger to children, then you must also state that parents are at least twice as dangerous to children - based upon parental murder rates of kids in the U.S.
And then of course, cars are even far more dangerous to children - like off the chart dangerous when compared to pig flu.
Come back in a few weeks pard - let's see how bad the flu is progressing then...
well, most of the research i've been able to scare up shows that it may be widespread, but isn't particularly dangerous to otherwise healthy individuals.
Anybody know differently?
yes! It's dangerous to children! Read the thread and the other 20 threads on the topic!
If you wish to utilize the number of cases of kids who have died from swine flu as indication of its great danger to children, then you must also state that parents are at least twice as dangerous to children - based upon parental murder rates of kids in the U.S.
And then of course, cars are even far more dangerous to children - like off the chart dangerous when compared to pig flu.
Come back in a few weeks pard - let's see how bad the flu is progressing then...