Gay Marriage - Question.....

[Syriusly]

Let me put this another way.

It makes no more sense to me why Christians would object to homosexuals any more than they would Hindu's.

Based upon the Bible.

 

[Syriusly]

... if you are not a Christian, or don't believe the Bible, why is it important to you to try to make it sound like God and/or the Bible is /does not condemn homosexuality?

If you don't believe, it should be irrelevant to you.

Now that gay people have the right to marry, you're right it IS completely irrelevent

Marriage is the Joining of One Man and One Woman.

In all 50 states- marriage is the joining of one person with one person.

 

[Where_r_my_Keys]

Why is it important to you that homos not collect the exact same government cash and prizes you do for being married?

Because Marriage is the Joining of One Man and One Woman.

And it serves the interests of "WE THE PEOPLE..." (this excludes the ranks of the sub-human among the Ideological Left and other expressions of Evil) to promote SOUND FAMILIES.

 

[TyroneSlothrop]

Westboro Baptist Church trumps our Constitution ...forward Christian soldiers........

 

[C_Clayton_Jones]

... if you are not a Christian, or don't believe the Bible, why is it important to you to try to make it sound like God and/or the Bible is /does not condemn homosexuality? If you don't believe, it should be irrelevant to you.

True. What the Bible says should be irrelevant, since the 1st amendment protects us from religious intrusion into our lives.

that's moronic.

People are free to base their political positions and votes on whatever they desire.

IF they choose to base it on their religious beliefs that is their right and not a violation of the 1st amendment.

It does violate the First Amendment when theists seek to codify their religious dogma into secular law.

 

[Correll]

... if you are not a Christian, or don't believe the Bible, why is it important to you to try to make it sound like God and/or the Bible is /does not condemn homosexuality? If you don't believe, it should be irrelevant to you.

True. What the Bible says should be irrelevant, since the 1st amendment protects us from religious intrusion into our lives.

that's moronic.

People are free to base their political positions and votes on whatever they desire.

IF they choose to base it on their religious beliefs that is their right and not a violation of the 1st amendment.

It does violate the First Amendment when theists seek to codify their religious dogma into secular law.

NO, it does not.

All citizens have the right to try to "codify" their positions on the issues into secular law.

That is what democracy is all about.

YOu do not have the right to decide that a group that is different from you has to operate under different rules.

That is discrimination based on religion, and is a violation of the 1st amendment.

On your part.

Their belief system is not inferior to yours just because it is religiously inspired.

 

[Where_r_my_Keys]

... if you are not a Christian, or don't believe the Bible, why is it important to you to try to make it sound like God and/or the Bible is /does not condemn homosexuality? If you don't believe, it should be irrelevant to you.

True. What the Bible says should be irrelevant, since the 1st amendment protects us from religious intrusion into our lives.

that's moronic.

People are free to base their political positions and votes on whatever they desire.

IF they choose to base it on their religious beliefs that is their right and not a violation of the 1st amendment.

It does violate the First Amendment when theists seek to codify their religious dogma into secular law.

Now Reader, where you see a Relativist using the word "Secular"... they're using that word to impart ANTI-THEISM; wherein they need you to believe that the US Constitution is "Secular"; thus ANTI-THEISTIC.

In reality, the US Constitution rests ENTIRELY upon the Charter of American Principles, which specifically declared above the signatures of our reprentatives, codified as our collective declaration, that 'Nature's God; The Creator' as the origin of humanity and that the rights endowed to humanity are so endowed directly FROM GOD and, GOD: as the point from which ALL MEN ARE CREATED EQUAL.

What's more, "The RIGHT TO FREELY EXERCISE" one's Religion IS the FIRST and HIGHEST PRIORITY of the US Constitution.

Thus the US Constitution is NOT secular; which simply means: denoting attitudes, activities, or other things that have no religious or spiritual basis. The US Constitution provides for acceptance of all Religions... where such provide the recognition that God is the Creator and Lord of the Universe.

But how cool is it to see people come into a public forum and simply DENY THE OBVIOUS, OKA: the self-evident truth.

 

[Where_r_my_Keys]

... if you are not a Christian, or don't believe the Bible, why is it important to you to try to make it sound like God and/or the Bible is /does not condemn homosexuality? If you don't believe, it should be irrelevant to you.

True. What the Bible says should be irrelevant, since the 1st amendment protects us from religious intrusion into our lives.

that's moronic.

People are free to base their political positions and votes on whatever they desire.

IF they choose to base it on their religious beliefs that is their right and not a violation of the 1st amendment.

It does violate the First Amendment when theists seek to codify their religious dogma into secular law.

NO, it does not.

All citizens have the right to try to "codify" their positions on the issues into secular law.

That is what democracy is all about.

YOu do not have the right to decide that a group that is different from you has to operate under different rules.

That is discrimination based on religion, and is a violation of the 1st amendment.

On your part.

Their belief system is not inferior to yours just because it is religiously inspired.

Well the natural standard of Marriage doesn't cause anyone to be treated differently from anyone else. It never has and never will.

Assertions to the contrary merely expose the "assertee" to be ignorant of and otherwise immune to the viability inducing principles of objective reason.

 

[TheOldSchool]

... if you are not a Christian, or don't believe the Bible, why is it important to you to try to make it sound like God and/or the Bible is /does not condemn homosexuality?

If you don't believe, it should be irrelevant to you.

Now that gay people have the right to marry, you're right it IS completely irrelevent

Marriage is the Joining of One Man and One Woman.

Don't worry little buddy things will be okay

 

[g5000]

Marriage is the Joining of One Man and One Woman...

...of the Same Race. Same Bullshit, Different Decade.

Whatever the definition of marriage is inside your house has nothing to do with government marriage benefits. In that case, the State decides, not your definition of God.

 

[Skylar]

Now Reader, where you see a Relativist using the word "Secular"... they're using that word to impart ANTI-THEISM; wherein they need you to believe that the US Constitution is "Secular"; thus ANTI-THEISTIC.

And by the 'reader', you mean you talking to you?

Secular is merely void of theism.

In reality, the US Constitution rests ENTIRELY upon the Charter of American Principles, which specifically declared above the signatures of our reprentatives, codified as our collective declaration, that 'Nature's God; The Creator' as the origin of humanity and the rights endowed to humanity directly FROM GOD and as the point from which ALL MEN ARE CREATED EQUAL.

And by 'Charter of American Principles' you mean what exactly? Or is this another one of those Appeals to Authority where you make up your source as well?

And the Constitution makes no mention of 'nature's god'.

What's more, "The RIGHT TO FREELY EXERCISE" one's Religion IS the FIRST and HIGHEST PRIORITY of the US Constitution.

Says who? And free practice of religion isn't the same thing as codifying religious dogma into secular law.

Thus the US Constitution is NOT secular; which simply means: denoting attitudes, activities, or other things that have no religious or spiritual basis. The US Constitution provides for acceptance of all Religions... where such provide the recognition that God is the Creator and Lord of the Universe.

The Constitution makes no mention of god or a creator. Nixing your entire argument.

 

[Moonglow]

... if you are not a Christian, or don't believe the Bible, why is it important to you to try to make it sound like God and/or the Bible is /does not condemn homosexuality?

If you don't believe, it should be irrelevant to you.

The Bible does condemn the act of men lying with men as they would a woman. But does not condemn the sinner...

 

[Skylar]

Why is it important to you that homos not collect the exact same government cash and prizes you do for being married?

Because Marriage is the Joining of One Man and One Woman.

Or one man and one man. Or one woman and one woman.

Exactly as I told you it would be. As marriage is our invention. And is what we say it is.

 

[PratchettFan]

... if you are not a Christian, or don't believe the Bible, why is it important to you to try to make it sound like God and/or the Bible is /does not condemn homosexuality?

If you don't believe, it should be irrelevant to you.

The Bible does condemn the act of men lying with men as they would a woman. But does not condemn the sinner...

That particular part is Leviticus and I believe it requires the sinner be put to death. Kind of hard not to call that condemning. Of course, it also requires adulterers be put to death.

 

[Moonglow]

... if you are not a Christian, or don't believe the Bible, why is it important to you to try to make it sound like God and/or the Bible is /does not condemn homosexuality?

If you don't believe, it should be irrelevant to you.

The Bible does condemn the act of men lying with men as they would a woman. But does not condemn the sinner...

That particular part is Leviticus and I believe it requires the sinner be put to death. Kind of hard not to call that condemning. Of course, it also requires adulterers be put to death.

So Christians have already compromised their required beliefs in the Bible,,,heretics and apostates...

 

[hazlnut]

... if you are not a Christian, or don't believe the Bible, why is it important to you to try to make it sound like God and/or the Bible is /does not condemn homosexuality?

If you don't believe, it should be irrelevant to you.

The same reason we try ton convince Islamic terrorist not to blow up buildings -- it's not really part of their faith.

Homophobia justified by quoting scripture out of context is still just homophobia.

Stop calling yourselves "Christian" if you are not practicing Christ's simple message of love and tolerance. Anything beyond that is your "Pastor" putting his ideas into your head.

 

[Faun]

Romans 1: 26-7 declares homosexual desires and actions to be shameful, unnatural, lustful, and indecent. I Corinthians 6:9 states that homosexuals are unrighteous and will not inherit the kingdom of God. Since both homosexual desires and actions are condemned in the Bible, it is clear that homosexuals “marrying” is not God’s will, and would be, in fact, sinful.
It's not about having an excuse to be bigoted. Saying that is just trying to put Christian's in a negative light and is a generalization.

There ARE bigoted people out there (Christian and non-Christian).
TRUE Christian's know God's way is the ONLY way, and more importantly the BEST (perfect) way.

The Bible also says wealthy people can't get into heaven.

When are you going to start up some threads here pushing to ban wealthy people from getting married?

 

[Correll]

Marriage is the Joining of One Man and One Woman...

...of the Same Race. Same Bullshit, Different Decade.

Whatever the definition of marriage is inside your house has nothing to do with government marriage benefits. In that case, the State decides, not your definition of God.

For all of this nations history, the state decided one man, one woman.

Even those who were against interracial marriage did not pretend that the meaning of the word was what they wanted.

 

[PratchettFan]

... if you are not a Christian, or don't believe the Bible, why is it important to you to try to make it sound like God and/or the Bible is /does not condemn homosexuality?

If you don't believe, it should be irrelevant to you.

The Bible does condemn the act of men lying with men as they would a woman. But does not condemn the sinner...

That particular part is Leviticus and I believe it requires the sinner be put to death. Kind of hard not to call that condemning. Of course, it also requires adulterers be put to death.

So Christians have already compromised their required beliefs in the Bible,,,heretics and apostates...

That depends upon their belief. I am under the impression the only belief actually required for a Christian is belief in God.

 

[C_Clayton_Jones]

Adults have to want advice. Children are a totally different story. Mine are my responsibility. Other peoples', as long as there isn't abuse involved, are their parents' responsibility.

Either way, allowing others to go down a destructive path is not love. We have an obligation as Christian's to warn them. And, everyone has free will choice to accept or reject God.

Warn all you want. My objection is to discrimination in the public arena. As long as no one is being harmed, your views are no better than anyone else's. Some denominations are opposed to certain medical practices. Should they be able impose them on the rest of us?

Your position is that, because her views are founded on religious beliefs, that they are INFERIOR to everyone else's.

You are the one trying to violate the constitution here, not her.

Wrong.

Religion is subjective and legally irrelevant. And private citizens who are critical of religion are not violating anyone's rights.