Great Question For Us Conservatives.The Extreme Heat.So,How Are Solar Panels&Wind Mills Going To Cool Down Thousands Of Homes This Summer?

[White 6]

making bank, on government subsidies while the electric rates for consumer's skyrocket

I would not know about skyrocketing electric rates, as our electricity is sold by TVA to local distributors and TVA always turns money (profits) back into Federal coffers yearly, but have not had a need to dramatically change rates, so neither has our local distributor, Jackson Energy Authority, as they were likewise a local government investment in the community. I have lived in Kentucky and Tennessee, so not familiar with the gouging you may be experiencing by your local privately owned distributorships or the privately own for ownership profit producers.

 

[Donald H]

Today, Wind Turbines are emitting 70,000 tons of CO2 into the atmosphere.

What proportion is 70,000 compared to the amount prevented?

Shut up for dog sake. The world isn't listening to the denial anymore.

 

[Donald H]

I would not know about skyrocketing electric rates, as our electricity is sold by TVA to local distributors and TVA always turns money (profits) back into Federal coffers yearly, ......................

Socially responsible policy that hasn't been discussed on this board before now.

They can find another name for it but it doesn't change the fact. Is it being kept clean or is it being skimmed by the politicians?

 

[elektra]

What proportion is 70,000 compared to the amount prevented?

Shut up for dog sake. The world isn't listening to the denial anymore.

there is no amount prevented,

You could claim an amount was prevented if the manufacturing of wind turbines and solar panels stopped and we needed no other ways to produce electricity. That facts are much different.

Wind Turbine and Solar panel manufacturing is 24 hours a day, forever.

Wind and Solar energy is so inefficient, other ways to produce electricity are being built right now to meet demand.

Wind and Solar, will never meet demand, nor meet just the increased demand. California is a great example. After 40 years of installing wind and solar projects, California must import electricity from other states.

 

[elektra]

I would not know about skyrocketing electric rates, as our electricity is sold by TVA to local distributors and TVA always turns money (profits) back into Federal coffers yearly, but have not had a need to dramatically change rates, so neither has our local distributor, Jackson Energy Authority, as they were likewise a local government investment in the community. I have lived in Kentucky and Tennessee, so not familiar with the gouging you may be experiencing by your local privately owned distributorships or the privately own for ownership profit producers.

Well, now that I have told you, you do know. The private utilities are forced to raise rates to pay for government mandated solar and wind electricity.

Block Island wind in Rhode Island is a great example. They now pay twice as much for electricity and that rate is ruled and regulated to go up every year.

 

[White 6]

Socially responsible policy that hasn't been discussed on this board before now.

They can find another name for it but it doesn't change the fact. Is it being kept clean or is it being skimmed by the politicians?

TVA used to be attacked all the time by politicians, influenced by people that would like to participate in ownership for profits or ownership outright. But, it is a good model of government involvement in creation of supporting infrastructure over a vast area, that benefit private enterprise by it's output and presence, but not individual or corporate direct profits, while providing good management of resources, production and stewardship over a large diverse area, with profits beyond production, maintenance and expansion going back to the treasury that funded its creation.
Some government programs, just work, contrary to what pure capitalist would lead you to believe.

 

[Concerned American]

wind turbines disturb the natural flow of wind on earth, elevating the temperature of the surrounding

solar panels get hot as hell, radiating heat creating un-natural hot spots

both are extremely expensive

solar never works at night, wind dies down to next to nothing many nights

Solar and Wind are inefficient, only built because of the generous subsidies

Solar and Wind manufacturing increase the amount of CO2 in the air. The opposite of what we are told to believe.

The new man-made forest--I am not impressed.

 

[Donald H]

TVA used to be attacked all the time by politicians, influenced by people that would like to participate in ownership for profits or ownership outright. But, it is a good model of government involvement in creation of supporting infrastructure over a vast area, that benefit private enterprise by it's output and presence, but not individual or corporate direct profits, while providing good management of resources, production and stewardship over a large diverse area, with profits beyond production, maintenance and expansion going back to the treasury that funded its creation.
Some government programs, just work, contrary to what pure capitalist would lead you to believe.

Yes, it's capitalism working in step with social responsibility in government. But what makes this different is that it's been mentioned by you.

The idea can be put to the test here on this board, where others can consider the advantages or reject it as an evil of socialism creeping into America.

You've consigned yourself to be one of its proponents. Can you defend it now?

 

[Donald H]

The new man-made forest--I am not impressed.

That's very impressive! Is it along the Columbia river valley? It looks familiar!

 

[Concerned American]

TVA used to be attacked all the time by politicians, influenced by people that would like to participate in ownership for profits or ownership outright. But, it is a good model of government involvement in creation of supporting infrastructure over a vast area, that benefit private enterprise by it's output and presence, but not individual or corporate direct profits, while providing good management of resources, production and stewardship over a large diverse area, with profits beyond production, maintenance and expansion going back to the treasury that funded its creation.
Some government programs, just work, contrary to what pure capitalist would lead you to believe.

Grand Coulee Dam is another good example. It was built for irrigation of SE WA but it supplies power to 11 western states. The power generation is handled by a private company but they return a portion to the government.

 

[Donald H]

Grand Coulee Dam is another good example. It was built for irrigation of SE WA but it supplies power to 11 western states. The power generation is handled by a private company but they return a portion to the government.

No, it was built principally for power generation, but your intentions are good in mentioning it in a conversation in which power related issues are the topic!

And it's all a part of the overall topic of preventing more AGW!

 

[Concerned American]

Socially responsible policy that hasn't been discussed on this board before now.

They can find another name for it but it doesn't change the fact. Is it being kept clean or is it being skimmed by the politicians?

You make as much sense as your sister the VP, duck. Maybe you should add "word salad" to your handle.

 

[White 6]

Yes, it's capitalism working in step with social responsibility in government. But what makes this different is that it's been mentioned by you.

The idea can be put to the test here on this board, where others can consider the advantages or reject it as an evil of socialism creeping into America.

You've consigned yourself to be one of its proponents. Can you defend it now?

Proof is in the pudding, as they say. Nobody attacking now. I have written on the benefits and good management in the public interest, here many times. It is safe from corporate greed and profit taking. It is unlikely to be a model for other parts of the country at this stage of the game, as corporations in place do an equally good job of protecting turf they control by virtue of their investments where they are.

 

[Donald H]

Proof is in the pudding, as they say. Nobody attacking now. I have written on the benefits and good management in the public interest, here many times. It is safe from corporate greed and profit taking. It is unlikely to be a model for other parts of the country at this stage of the game, as corporations in place do an equally good job of protecting turf they control by virtue of their investments where they are.

I have been aware that you have good intentions but I find this to be much more applicable to begging the question on social policy.

It's been introduced and commented upon by C.A. and that's a start! Maybe a few others will take the bait and not ignore the obvious.

I'm trying to make it into a big deal but you sound like you might want to play it down as not all that important.

 

[elektra]

TVA used to be attacked all the time by politicians, influenced by people that would like to participate in ownership for profits or ownership outright. But, it is a good model of government involvement in creation of supporting infrastructure over a vast area, that benefit private enterprise by it's output and presence, but not individual or corporate direct profits, while providing good management of resources, production and stewardship over a large diverse area, with profits beyond production, maintenance and expansion going back to the treasury that funded its creation.
Some government programs, just work, contrary to what pure capitalist would lead you to believe.

Yes, some government programs do work. TVA today operates as a pure capitalist corporation. As it has since the early 1950's.

TVA's success is Coal Power Plants. The Power of Coal provided the profit so that TVA could be ran as a capitalist corporation.

 

[White 6]

I have been aware that you have good intentions but I find this to be much more applicable to begging the question on social policy.

It's been introduced and commented upon by C.A. and that's a start! Maybe a few others will take the bait and not ignore the obvious.

I'm trying to make it into a big deal but you sound like you might want to play it down as not all that important.

I made the points in passing, just responding to your thread, not intending a pro/con mandate thread on The Tennessee Valley Authority Act of 1933. That was fought, established fought and attacked some more and is pretty well beyond the fight now. If somebody thinks the 1933 model of legislation is of regional benefit elsewhere in the country, that region will have to take the lead through their legislators, just as was done 90 years ago. It should be note though, that was a time coming out of the depression, with corporatists not inclined to invest and certainly never having the vision to imagine, not only power production in a neglected largely unpowered region, but flood control, navigation controls and assistance, national park size recreation and steward ship if lands bought by forced eminent domain. I am not sure the model is as applicable today. It only serves as an example of what good, well thought out programs can and have in the past actually have done, though many attribute only failure, money loss, stifling business, and waste almost universally to government programs. Just one of the little ironies, as not really able to argue with results and sustainability, good for communities, region, tax payers and business interest alike.

 

[Concerned American]

No, it was built principally for power generation

Time to add history to your long list of subjects of which you are totally ignorant, duck. Grand Coulee has always been operated under the auspices of the US Bureau of Reclamation. It was designed primarily to irrigate arid se WA. Power generation was a secondary benefit to augment power generation projects further down river. Have you ever been to Grand Coulee? Have you ever taken a tour of the dam? I know you have never done either, otherwise you would know just how ignorant your statement is. Educate yourself moron, or better yet keep your uninformed commie Canadian viewpoints to yourself. SMFH.

Grand Coulee Dam Construction History | Bureau of Reclamation

Grand Coulee Dam, History, Bureau of Reclamation - Managing water and power in the West

usbr.gov

 

[Donald H]

It was designed primarily to irrigate arid se WA. Power generation was a secondary benefit to augment power generation projects further down river.

No my friend, google it with me together!

grand coulee was built for power generation - Bing

Intelligent search from Bing makes it easier to quickly find what you’re looking for and rewards you.

www.bing.com

I swam in Soap Lake when it was buoyant enough so that 6 year olds were swimming out in the middle of the lake. Then America's capitalism ruined it. AGW again.

Otherwise, it's none of my business and you're off topic again!

completed in1974 to increase power production........

 

[Concerned American]

No my friend, google it with me together!

grand coulee was built for power generation - Bing

Intelligent search from Bing makes it easier to quickly find what you’re looking for and rewards you.

www.bing.com

I swam in Soap Lake when it was buoyant enough so that 6 year olds were swimming out in the middle of the lake. Then America's capitalism ruined it. AGW again.

Otherwise, it's none of my business and you're off topic again!

I gave you the link to the government entity that built it and you give me a rebuttal from Bing. Try again you ignorant fuck. If it had been built for power generation primarily, why, pray tell, did they design it to pump water into Banks Lake--the "Grand Coulee" for irrigation. There is no better source of information on this subject than the department that designed, built and operates it. That is why you are ignorant on so many levels duck--you have no ability to determine fact from fiction.

 

[White 6]

Yes, some government programs do work. TVA today operates as a pure capitalist corporation. As it has since the early 1950's.

TVA's success is Coal Power Plants. The Power of Coal provided the profit so that TVA could be ran as a capitalist corporation

Yes, some government programs do work. TVA today operates as a pure capitalist corporation. As it has since the early 1950's.

TVA's success is Coal Power Plants. The Power of Coal provided the profit so that TVA could be ran as a capitalist corporation.

No. It runs as well or better than a capitalist corporation, but with out direct payment of profits beyond operation to corporate holders, so not profit motivated, just efficiency motivated in order to save money while providing the benefits, and the treasury money used to establish was not paid back in the 1950s, as some facilities, including whole lakes and hydroelectric dams not completed until the 60s such as Barkley Dam and lake. I used to live and camp up there and remember before the lake was full. I road the first train across Barkley Dam, and I was born in 1954.
TVA is phasing out it's coal fired plans, in favor on Nuclear and natural gas fired generating plant, expecting to be complete by 2035, 17 years from now.