Hidden welfare

[The Infidel]

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here, have a complimentary beverage,

to that taste of shoe leather out of your mouth......

You might want to learn how to quote a post AND have an actual point next time. It sort of helps.

Yeah... why dont you teach us a thingie or two

 

[RDD_1210]

Lol..are you the person to teach that valuable internet posting lesson, RD?

Honestly, I'd be willing to bet I know at least a tiny bit more about this stuff than 99% of the people on this site.

What can you teach me? How to neg rep and lob insults?

 

[AllieBaba]

What a pontificating twit you are.

While I'm certain you're a giant in your own mind, I will opt out of whatever lessons you suppose you are qualified to give.

 

[RDD_1210]

What a pontificating twit you are.

While I'm certain you're a giant in your own mind, I will opt out of whatever lessons you suppose you are qualified to give.

LOL. Don't be so threatened. My job that I've been doing all my professional life deals directly with technology and the internet. So there's a lot I don't know about, but this kind of stuff which I do for a living is right in my wheel house.

Why wouldn't you "opt out" of lessons. You don't seem to be very educated with anything else, why start now?

 

[The Infidel]

Aww, little miss cut 'n run Allie Babba just had to give me a neg rep, too chicken shit to post her comment where everyone could see.

She is one of the select few that is too dumb to come up with a response so she resorts to neg repping....usually an insult is included. That's what you get when you try and have a discussion with uneducated people who don't work and don't have any interest in open discussion.

Aww, little miss cut 'n run Allie Babba just had to give me a neg rep, too chicken shit to post her comment where everyone could see.

She is one of the select few that is too dumb to come up with a response so she resorts to neg repping....usually an insult is included. That's what you get when you try and have a discussion with uneducated people who don't work and don't have any interest in open discussion.

Right on cue. I get neg rep'd for my post. These people are beyond predictable.

Right on cue. I get neg rep'd for my post. These people are beyond predictable.

STOP WHINING BITCH!


Try proving your point and stop crying....

LOL. Every time you post, you prove my point further.

""

here, have a complimentary beverage,

to that taste of shoe leather out of your mouth......

You might want to learn how to quote a post AND have an actual point next time. It sort of helps.

Lol..are you the person to teach that valuable internet posting lesson, RD?

Honestly, I'd be willing to bet I know at least a tiny bit more about this stuff than 99% of the people on this site.

What can you teach me? How to neg rep and lob insults?

Holy shit.....


Have you went back and just looked at your stupid posts?

You have brought NOTHING to the table but insults and ignorance.... there is NO WAY you know more than 99% here at USMB. Maybe more than TM & PF, but 99%...!

Like I said before ... how about you bring some proof for your points or just shut the fuck up and go play hotwheels or something

 

[KissMy]

Deficit Spending is the hidden welfare!
Deficit Spending is taxing all savers & rewarding all spenders!

You can't save for emergencies or retirement because your savings is worthless when you need it. This has forced this nation into paycheck to paycheck consumers & government dependants. It is nearly impossible to retire without being a government dependent when your savings are destroyed. Currency devaluation is forced socialism.

 

[RDD_1210]

Aww, little miss cut 'n run Allie Babba just had to give me a neg rep, too chicken shit to post her comment where everyone could see.

She is one of the select few that is too dumb to come up with a response so she resorts to neg repping....usually an insult is included. That's what you get when you try and have a discussion with uneducated people who don't work and don't have any interest in open discussion.

Lol..are you the person to teach that valuable internet posting lesson, RD?

Honestly, I'd be willing to bet I know at least a tiny bit more about this stuff than 99% of the people on this site.

What can you teach me? How to neg rep and lob insults?

Holy shit.....


Have you went back and just looked at your stupid posts?

You have brought NOTHING to the table but insults and ignorance.... there is NO WAY you know more than 99% here at USMB. Maybe more than TM & PF, but 99%...!

Like I said before ... how about you bring some proof for your points or just shut the fuck up and go play hotwheels or something

I know which posters on this site are able to have a discussion and which ones would rather neg rep and run from threads. You and Allie fit nicely in to the first group. No point in even attempting to have a rational discussion with irrational people.

 

[The Infidel]

I know which posters on this site are able to have a discussion and which ones would rather neg rep and run from threads. You and Allie fit nicely in to the first group. No point in even attempting to have a rational discussion with irrational people.

You fuckin pussy.... You havent even tried to debate us with the merit of your own arguements, or points. Instead, as I pointed out, you just like to insult and ridicule your opponents in the arena of ideas. Ive asked you to prove your point and you refuse to.

You lose.... and you cant say I didnt try and bring it to you either. Your a coward.

 

[Intense]

To listen to the right, Americans are demanding that budget cuts be made in social programs to lower the deficit. Ironically, however, they don't want their taxes raised (or touched) that disguise other forms of "welfare" for which they are huge beneficiaries:

Americans Oppose Eliminating Income Tax Deductions

We also hear a constant refrain from the right that 45% pay no taxes at all, attempting to blame the low-income people alone, when in fact that 45% includes many wealthy people who use the existing tax loopholes to either pay no income taxes, or at least lower their tax obligations to near zero.

Super rich see federal taxes drop dramatically - Yahoo! News

So I question whether anyone is really serious about paying down the debt, which will require sacrifice and pain at all levels. The common answer seen in poll after poll after poll is NO.

How about a 100 Page Tax Code. Throw the Abomination out and restructure from scratch. Government needs to get out of picking the winners and losers and try for the first time in It's history to maintain a fair playing field. Why encourage Monopoly? That's really State Funded Capitalism or State Capitalism in Disguise. The Power has become an abused Trust, 3 Card Monty, with the force of law behind it and Penalty for anyone that looks to closely or asks embarrassing questions. For Each Exception, for Each Waiver, a Rational Person should question the Injustice, the lack of Impartiality, the threat of Corruption, Contamination, the Why?

 

[AllieBaba]

She is one of the select few that is too dumb to come up with a response so she resorts to neg repping....usually an insult is included. That's what you get when you try and have a discussion with uneducated people who don't work and don't have any interest in open discussion.

Honestly, I'd be willing to bet I know at least a tiny bit more about this stuff than 99% of the people on this site.

What can you teach me? How to neg rep and lob insults?

Holy shit.....


Have you went back and just looked at your stupid posts?

You have brought NOTHING to the table but insults and ignorance.... there is NO WAY you know more than 99% here at USMB. Maybe more than TM & PF, but 99%...!

Like I said before ... how about you bring some proof for your points or just shut the fuck up and go play hotwheels or something

I know which posters on this site are able to have a discussion and which ones would rather neg rep and run from threads. You and Allie fit nicely in to the first group. No point in even attempting to have a rational discussion with irrational people.

Really? It sounds to me like you are describing yourself precisely.

What a loon.

 

[Sense]

Here's the question, why should I have to pay for Bob's healthcare? It's his responsibility to get Insurance! We ain't Canada, Healthcare should not be paid for by the Government.

 

[auditor0007]

To listen to the right, Americans are demanding that budget cuts be made in social programs to lower the deficit. Ironically, however, they don't want their taxes raised (or touched) that disguise other forms of "welfare" for which they are huge beneficiaries:

Americans Oppose Eliminating Income Tax Deductions

We also hear a constant refrain from the right that 45% pay no taxes at all, attempting to blame the low-income people alone, when in fact that 45% includes many wealthy people who use the existing tax loopholes to either pay no income taxes, or at least lower their tax obligations to near zero.

Super rich see federal taxes drop dramatically - Yahoo! News

So I question whether anyone is really serious about paying down the debt, which will require sacrifice and pain at all levels. The common answer seen in poll after poll after poll is NO.

Obviously the more one makes, the bigger their deductions are likely to be. Who gets the biggest benefit from the home mortgage deduction? It certainly isn't the owner of the $150,000 home. It's the owner of the $500,000 plus home, unless they paid cash. As for the 45% who pay no income tax, they still pay SS/Medicare taxes, excise taxes, sin taxes, and much more on the local level. Generally speaking, those in the lower income brackets pay a much larger percentage of their income in local taxes than the wealthy.

Last of all, the wealthy are much more likely to pay no taxes on a larger amount of income than someone making much less. By the time they are done with their deductions, they may not pay any taxes on a good portion of their income due to deductions. Now I really don't have a problem with that, but the bitching that they are the only ones to pay taxes really irks me, because it is just BS.

 

[auditor0007]

Here's the question, why should I have to pay for Bob's healthcare? It's his responsibility to get Insurance! We ain't Canada, Healthcare should not be paid for by the Government.

I will give you one very good reason. Because when you are born, you don't know whether or not you will be Bob. And that does not mean Bob should not pay anything. But you and I subsidizing Bob isn't the worst thing in the world. And if Bob benefits by staying healthier and contributing more to society due to our supporting his better health, then everyone benefits in the long run.

 

[Sense]

Here's the question, why should I have to pay for Bob's healthcare? It's his responsibility to get Insurance! We ain't Canada, Healthcare should not be paid for by the Government.

I will give you one very good reason. Because when you are born, you don't know whether or not you will be Bob. And that does not mean Bob should not pay anything. But you and I subsidizing Bob isn't the worst thing in the world. And if Bob benefits by staying healthier and contributing more to society due to our supporting his better health, then everyone benefits in the long run.

You are right I don't know if I'll be Bob so what do I do? Buy insurance. The 13th most powerful company in the world is an insurance company. It's their job to take money from everyone and pay for bob. Not the Government. Why? Because that way If people get annoyed with the insurance company they can leave it unlike the Government.

 

[AllieBaba]

Here's the question, why should I have to pay for Bob's healthcare? It's his responsibility to get Insurance! We ain't Canada, Healthcare should not be paid for by the Government.

I will give you one very good reason. Because when you are born, you don't know whether or not you will be Bob. And that does not mean Bob should not pay anything. But you and I subsidizing Bob isn't the worst thing in the world. And if Bob benefits by staying healthier and contributing more to society due to our supporting his better health, then everyone benefits in the long run.

That's a big IF.

 

[Blagger]

After reading some of the threads that's premise ignores reality by suggesting that higher earners' reluctance to contribute to a tax bracket that's relative to their income in some way be interpretted to the effect that they're willfully avoiding/ignoring the financial relief of lower earners is and are benefitting from an arrangement that would in more financially stable circumstances be universally accepted by left and right as fair is preposterous to say the least.

Benefit/welfare/the dole are a safety net payed for by the state. Taxes levied on citizens are compulsory payments demanded of those who wish to continue living in a relatively safe and stable environment. Taxes essentially pay for what the left generally take for granted.

Hiking tax rates against the more well off in society to act as a financial catalyst to the deppression can legally be defined as inequality. It's the equivelent of proclaiming that blacks are more likely to carry an illegally held firearm, so to counter act the risk you prohibit all black men and women from holding a firearms licence. Perhaps those dependent on welfare should shoulder some responsibility by examining their spending habits and identifying what they do and do not need.

You could, of course, reverse the situation by theoretically putting yourslef in the shoes of someone that earns more than you do. Then ask yourself how you'd instinctively react if you were told you had to pay more to enjoy the protection and comfort payed for by the state because, through your hard work, trepidation and perseverance you earn more than the people that live a few blocks away.

At the end of the day, what we're discussing boils down to basic survival instincts. And no, incase you were wondering, I'm not fabulously wealthy. I'm just a realist that respects privacy and the results and subsequently enhanced quality of living that comes from hard work.

 

[MaggieMae]

To listen to the right, Americans are demanding that budget cuts be made in social programs to lower the deficit. Ironically, however, they don't want their taxes raised (or touched) that disguise other forms of "welfare" for which they are huge beneficiaries:

Americans Oppose Eliminating Income Tax Deductions

We also hear a constant refrain from the right that 45% pay no taxes at all, attempting to blame the low-income people alone, when in fact that 45% includes many wealthy people who use the existing tax loopholes to either pay no income taxes, or at least lower their tax obligations to near zero.

Super rich see federal taxes drop dramatically - Yahoo! News

So I question whether anyone is really serious about paying down the debt, which will require sacrifice and pain at all levels. The common answer seen in poll after poll after poll is NO.

a)

To listen to the right, Americans are demanding that budget cuts be made in social programs to lower the deficit. Ironically, however, they don't want their taxes raised (or touched) that disguise other forms of "welfare"

can you link to this please?


b)

We also hear a constant refrain from the right that 45% pay no taxes at all, attempting to blame the low-income people alone,

can you link to this please?

Those were my comments with reference to the links. If I quote something from a link, I put it in quotes; otherwise you may assume the words are my own.

 

[DiamondDave]

To listen to the right, Americans are demanding that budget cuts be made in social programs to lower the deficit. Ironically, however, they don't want their taxes raised (or touched) that disguise other forms of "welfare" for which they are huge beneficiaries:

Americans Oppose Eliminating Income Tax Deductions

We also hear a constant refrain from the right that 45% pay no taxes at all, attempting to blame the low-income people alone, when in fact that 45% includes many wealthy people who use the existing tax loopholes to either pay no income taxes, or at least lower their tax obligations to near zero.

Super rich see federal taxes drop dramatically - Yahoo! News

So I question whether anyone is really serious about paying down the debt, which will require sacrifice and pain at all levels. The common answer seen in poll after poll after poll is NO.

You assume that those already carrying the tax burden are not sacrificing already

 

[MaggieMae]

Its called incentive to better yourself.... get to it and stop whining!

What is?

Having money in your bank acct, and not being dependent on a gov't HANDOUT.
Clear enough for ya?

Aww, little miss cut 'n run Allie Babba just had to give me a neg rep, too chicken shit to post her comment where everyone could see.

Sometimes its best to say "aww FUCKET, some folks will never learn"

Some libs are just too bullheaded to listen and learn

Kudos to you if you're able to take advantage of tax loopholes, but millions of people are barred because they don't meet the income-deduction formula.

My point, which you obviously missed completely, is that people like you bitch and moan about low-income people paying no taxes at all, but never bitch and moan about wealthy people who also manipulate their tax liabilty so that they too owe zero in taxes. Ironically, both scenarios are about "having more in your bank account," or is that too difficult for you and Mz. Babble to grasp?

 

[MaggieMae]

Aww, little miss cut 'n run Allie Babba just had to give me a neg rep, too chicken shit to post her comment where everyone could see.

She is one of the select few that is too dumb to come up with a response so she resorts to neg repping....usually an insult is included. That's what you get when you try and have a discussion with uneducated people who don't work and don't have any interest in open discussion.

Right on cue. I get neg rep'd for my post. These people are beyond predictable.

Acceptable illiteracy has become the norm in this country. I have a whole list of posters who have nothing to contribute, ever, except insults. Such pathetic people thrive on feeling smug. It's sad, really.