How is investigating Burisma investigating Joe Biden and interfering in the 2020 election?

[BWK]

Why would oppose no new evidence be admitted?

The House either has a valid case for impeachment or not, as written.
Its just making the Senate rules favorable to the president, the same way the House made their rules unfair to the president.

What was unfair about the House rules?

1. The GOP couldn't call all the witnesses they wanted, such as Ciaramella, Hunter Biden, Chalupa, etc.
2. The Chair told witnesses not to answer GOP many questions
3. The GOP wasn't allowed to issue subpoenas.
4. The democrats did not follow the same protocols for impeachment that were used previously, such as allowing "hearsay" evidence.

1. none of those are fact witnesses to Trump’s actions. You don’t get to hijack the proceeding to chase down an unrelated matter.
2. The Chair told a few witnesses not to answer questions intended to unmask a whistleblower and were irrelevant to the matter
3. That’s how all committees work. The minority doesn’t get to issue subpoenas unless agreed to by the majority.
4. Hearsay evidence is very often admissible. There are plenty of rules governing it.

1. If the GOP wants to prove that there is a conspiracy against Trump they need to call their witnesses. Trump does get to mount a defense, especially if a conspiracy is involved.
2. The whistleblower does not get his identity protected according to the law. That the WB is a CIA plant, and a Biden supporter is relevant.
3. The minorities in prior impeachments did get to issue subpoenas, but not for this kangaroo court.
4. True, "hearsay" can be admissible, but the senate rules should make hearsay evidence inadmissible, because they can.

I hope the senate "rules" for the impeachment trial have the following:
1. No new evidence can be admitted
2. No hearsay evidence is allowed

If those are in effect the dems have no case.

Why would oppose no new evidence be admitted?

The House either has a valid case for impeachment or not, as written.
Its just making the Senate rules favorable to the president, the same way the House made their rules unfair to the president.

What was unfair about the House rules?

Republicans couldn't call witnesses.

And Trump blocked the Dems, proving obstruction of an investigation.

 

[HenryBHough]

The whole thing has nothing to with the 2020 election as Gropey Joey will not be a candidate. The fix is in for Hillary but the Democrat Elite don't want you mere peons to know that yet.

 

[BWK]

Biden needs to be investigated.

He already was and was cleared.

 

[BWK]

I hope the senate "rules" for the impeachment trial have the following:
1. No new evidence can be admitted
2. No hearsay evidence is allowed

If those are in effect the dems have no case.

Why would oppose no new evidence be admitted?

The House either has a valid case for impeachment or not, as written.
Its just making the Senate rules favorable to the president, the same way the House made their rules unfair to the president.

What was unfair about the House rules?

1. The GOP couldn't call all the witnesses they wanted, such as Ciaramella, Hunter Biden, Chalupa, etc.
2. The Chair told witnesses not to answer GOP many questions
3. The GOP wasn't allowed to issue subpoenas.
4. The democrats did not follow the same protocols for impeachment that were used previously, such as allowing "hearsay" evidence.

What does Hunter Biden have to do with Trump conspiring to defraud the US from free and fair elections? Hunter Biden has zero to do with the criminal actions by Trump.

 

[BS Filter]

The House either has a valid case for impeachment or not, as written.
Its just making the Senate rules favorable to the president, the same way the House made their rules unfair to the president.

What was unfair about the House rules?

1. The GOP couldn't call all the witnesses they wanted, such as Ciaramella, Hunter Biden, Chalupa, etc.
2. The Chair told witnesses not to answer GOP many questions
3. The GOP wasn't allowed to issue subpoenas.
4. The democrats did not follow the same protocols for impeachment that were used previously, such as allowing "hearsay" evidence.

1. none of those are fact witnesses to Trump’s actions. You don’t get to hijack the proceeding to chase down an unrelated matter.
2. The Chair told a few witnesses not to answer questions intended to unmask a whistleblower and were irrelevant to the matter
3. That’s how all committees work. The minority doesn’t get to issue subpoenas unless agreed to by the majority.
4. Hearsay evidence is very often admissible. There are plenty of rules governing it.

1. If the GOP wants to prove that there is a conspiracy against Trump they need to call their witnesses. Trump does get to mount a defense, especially if a conspiracy is involved.
2. The whistleblower does not get his identity protected according to the law. That the WB is a CIA plant, and a Biden supporter is relevant.
3. The minorities in prior impeachments did get to issue subpoenas, but not for this kangaroo court.
4. True, "hearsay" can be admissible, but the senate rules should make hearsay evidence inadmissible, because they can.

I hope the senate "rules" for the impeachment trial have the following:
1. No new evidence can be admitted
2. No hearsay evidence is allowed

If those are in effect the dems have no case.

Why would oppose no new evidence be admitted?

The House either has a valid case for impeachment or not, as written.
Its just making the Senate rules favorable to the president, the same way the House made their rules unfair to the president.

What was unfair about the House rules?

Republicans couldn't call witnesses.

And Trump blocked the Dems, proving obstruction of an investigation.

Bullshit

 

[kyzr]

The democrats are accusing Trump of soliciting "foreign interference" in the 2020 election by asking the Ukraine to investigate Burisma. How is investigating Burisma the same as investigating Joe Biden? I'm not seeing the connection. No wonder the voters are rejecting the democrat's inane coup plot, and as Professor Turley explained, it is the democrats in the House that are abusing their power, not Trump.

House Democrats' impeachment report accuses Trump of obstruction, other misconduct
Democrats on Tuesday publicly released a new report accusing President Donald Trump of soliciting Ukraine to interfere in the 2020 election for his benefit and obstructing the impeachment inquiry in the House of Representatives.

The 300-page report alleges a quid pro quo scheme in which Trump “conditioned official acts on a public announcement by the new Ukrainian President, Volodymyr Zelensky, of politically-motivated investigations” into former Vice President Joe Biden — a top Democratic presidential candidate — and his son Hunter.

“In pressuring President Zelensky to carry out his demand, President Trump withheld a White House meeting desperately sought by the Ukrainian President, and critical U.S. military assistance to fight Russian aggression in eastern Ukraine,” the report says.

Here's another article with the same accusation:
House Democrats conclude Trump solicited foreign interference in 2020
WASHINGTON – Three House committees investigating the potential impeachment of President Donald Trump uncovered a months-long effort "to use the powers of his office to solicit foreign interference on his behalf in the 2020 election," according to their draft report released Tuesday.

Let's take a poll....

Political dirt you idiot.

If Biden did nothing wrong, then what political dirt are they worried about?

I never said Biden was worried about anything. That's not the issue. The issue is that Trump committed a conspiracy to defraud the US from a free and fair election.

1. Please provide a link that agrees with your point, like the Federal Election Commission, because I call bullshit.
2. Like the OP title says, investigating Burisma has nothing to do with Joe Biden, or the election, or does it?
3. What if senile Joe isn't the democrat nominee? Then your conspiracy falls apart.
4. Investigating corruption in the Ukraine shouldn't have anything to do with a US election, but any excuse is better than none.

 

[DJT for Life]

Exactly the point I'm trying to make in the OP.
There is no connection between Biden and Burisma, unless there is a crime involved.

Your point is pointless, because Biden and burisma were brought up in the sworn testimony from a dozen or so witnesses, plus three legal scholars cementing the validity of the crimes as pointed out by the witnesses.

And none of them, including the radical scholars, would admit that a crime had been committed.

Negative! The witnesses did testify under sworn testimony that crimes were committed. It wasn't the job of the scholars to decide. They just confirmed that what the witnesses said are confirmed, they were all impeachable offenses. There is zero defense. Stop being so pitifully desperate.

You've got one typo that is a mistake.

They just confirmed that what the witnesses said "were" confirmed, they were all impeachable offenses.

That's the issue. What the witnesses said was not confirmed or proven.

What the witnesses confirmed aligns with the physical evidence of Trumps own big mouth.

You've been voted down by the Dem party. They aren't going anywhere near the Ukraine for impeachment
purposes.

They have zero proof/evidence of a quid pro quo

 

[Syriusly]

The democrats are accusing Trump of soliciting "foreign interference" in the 2020 election by asking the Ukraine to investigate Burisma. How is investigating Burisma the same as investigating Joe Biden? .

You are either
a) ignorant or
b) a liar

Lets go with Trump's actual words- shall we?

"There's a lot of talk about Biden's son, that Biden stopped the prosecution and a lot of people want to find out about that so whatever you can do with the Attorney General would be great. Biden went around bragging that he stopped the prosecution so if you can look into it ... It sounds horrible to me," Trump says, according to the document.

Trump didn't ask Ukraine to investigate Burisma- never mentioned Burisma-
Trump made a secret call to Ukraine asking them to investigate the Biden's.
Then Trump's lackeys pressured the President of the Ukraine to make a public announcement that Ukraine was investigating the Biden's.

Now that we have established that your premise is a false- were you lying? Or just grossly ignorant?

 

[Syriusly]

Unless he has something to hide...

What is Trump trying to hide?

After all, Trump is the one who specifically took efforts to keep Americans from knowing what happened in Ukraine.

 

[Syriusly]

Unless he has something to hide...

Clearly the crime Trump is guilty of is investigating Democrats that have committed criminal acts.

What criminal acts did the Biden's commit? Specifically?

Because so far there is not a single bit of evidence of any crime.

 

[Syriusly]

Unless he has something to hide...

Clearly the crime Trump is guilty of is investigating Democrats that have committed criminal acts.

Exactly the point I'm trying to make in the OP.
There is no connection between Biden and Burisma, unless there is a crime involved.

Trump didn't call for an investigation of Burisma- he called for an investigation of the Biden's.

But you knew that.

 

[Syriusly]

The democrats are accusing Trump of soliciting "foreign interference" in the 2020 election by asking the Ukraine to investigate Burisma. How is investigating Burisma the same as investigating Joe Biden? I'm not seeing the connection. No wonder the voters are rejecting the democrat's inane coup plot, and as Professor Turley explained, it is the democrats in the House that are abusing their power, not Trump.

House Democrats' impeachment report accuses Trump of obstruction, other misconduct
Democrats on Tuesday publicly released a new report accusing President Donald Trump of soliciting Ukraine to interfere in the 2020 election for his benefit and obstructing the impeachment inquiry in the House of Representatives.

The 300-page report alleges a quid pro quo scheme in which Trump “conditioned official acts on a public announcement by the new Ukrainian President, Volodymyr Zelensky, of politically-motivated investigations” into former Vice President Joe Biden — a top Democratic presidential candidate — and his son Hunter.

“In pressuring President Zelensky to carry out his demand, President Trump withheld a White House meeting desperately sought by the Ukrainian President, and critical U.S. military assistance to fight Russian aggression in eastern Ukraine,” the report says.

Here's another article with the same accusation:
House Democrats conclude Trump solicited foreign interference in 2020
WASHINGTON – Three House committees investigating the potential impeachment of President Donald Trump uncovered a months-long effort "to use the powers of his office to solicit foreign interference on his behalf in the 2020 election," according to their draft report released Tuesday.

Let's take a poll....

Political dirt you idiot.

Please define "political dirt". We generally call them "crimes", or "corruption".

What 'crimes'? What 'corruption'?

Lets look again at what Trump said to Ukraine:

"There's a lot of talk about Biden's son, that Biden stopped the prosecution and a lot of people want to find out about that so whatever you can do with the Attorney General would be great. Biden went around bragging that he stopped the prosecution so if you can look into it ... It sounds horrible to me," Trump says, according to the document.

And then Trump had his lackeys demand that Ukraine make a public announcement that they were investigating the Biden's.

And yes- that is calling for 'political dirt'

 

[Syriusly]

There is nothing wrong with investigating Joe Biden's role, if any, in securing a cushy $80K/month sinecure for his son Hunter, from a Ukrainian Gas company at the same time that Joe Biden was the VP and oversaw all things Ukrainian.

There should be a full investigation as to how his sleazy drug using son managed to become a multi-millionaire thanks to his Father. Joe Biden is not immune to investigation simply because he is running for POTUS.

It stinks to high heaven.

I have no problem with either Biden being investigated if there is any evidence of any crime.

That is what we have the FBI for.

I have a problem Trump making a secret call to a foreign country and asking them to dig up dirt on a political rival- which is what Trump did- rather than have the FBI investigate any accusations against the Bidens.

 

[Syriusly]

The democrats are accusing Trump of soliciting "foreign interference" in the 2020 election by asking the Ukraine to investigate Burisma. How is investigating Burisma the same as investigating Joe Biden? I'm not seeing the connection. No wonder the voters are rejecting the democrat's inane coup plot, and as Professor Turley explained, it is the democrats in the House that are abusing their power, not Trump.

House Democrats' impeachment report accuses Trump of obstruction, other misconduct
Democrats on Tuesday publicly released a new report accusing President Donald Trump of soliciting Ukraine to interfere in the 2020 election for his benefit and obstructing the impeachment inquiry in the House of Representatives.

The 300-page report alleges a quid pro quo scheme in which Trump “conditioned official acts on a public announcement by the new Ukrainian President, Volodymyr Zelensky, of politically-motivated investigations” into former Vice President Joe Biden — a top Democratic presidential candidate — and his son Hunter.

“In pressuring President Zelensky to carry out his demand, President Trump withheld a White House meeting desperately sought by the Ukrainian President, and critical U.S. military assistance to fight Russian aggression in eastern Ukraine,” the report says.

Here's another article with the same accusation:
House Democrats conclude Trump solicited foreign interference in 2020
WASHINGTON – Three House committees investigating the potential impeachment of President Donald Trump uncovered a months-long effort "to use the powers of his office to solicit foreign interference on his behalf in the 2020 election," according to their draft report released Tuesday.

Let's take a poll....

There’s nothing to ‘investigate’ – that an ‘investigation’ is ‘warranted’ is a lie.

The right’s propaganda campaign of lies, misinformation, and fake news – such as the lie that Biden was involved in ‘wrongdoing’ concerning Ukraine – is intended to mislead and misinform voters in an effort to turn the voters against Biden.

The lies contrived and propagated by Russia and other foreign entities – with rightists in the United States doing their bidding – are part of Russia’s ongoing interference in the 2020 General Election, and the American political process overall.

Russia preparing ‘perfect storm’ of 2020 election interference, officials warn

2017 Lie of the Year: Russian election action is a hoax

Then Biden shouldn't be afraid to CLEAR HIS NAME THEN............using the same words your side uses all the time.

So let's say..........we are investigating to CLEAR JOE BIDEN...........to once and for all put that he's not really the sleezeball everyone thinks he is........

Sound good.............good.......

Wow- wouldn't it be amazing if you held Trump to the same standard?

Why is Trump afraid to clear his name?

Trump told State Department and White House employees not to testify.
Trump told his attorney not to testify.
Trump told the Secretary of State and Secretary of Energy not to testify.
Trump refused to provide documents to the House investigation.

What is Trump trying to hide? Why doesn't Trump want to clear his name?

If there really was no quid pro quo- why doesn't he let Mulvaney appear before the House and testify to that specific issue?

What is Trump afraid of?

 

[Syriusly]

The whole thing has nothing to with the 2020 election as Gropey Joey will not be a candidate. The fix is in for Hillary but the Democrat Elite don't want you mere peons to know that yet.

Candidate Trump sure thought Biden was one of his chief rivals back in July when he made his secret call to Ukraine asking them to investigate his political rival.

 

[Syriusly]

The democrats are accusing Trump of soliciting "foreign interference" in the 2020 election by asking the Ukraine to investigate Burisma. How is investigating Burisma the same as investigating Joe Biden? I'm not seeing the connection. No wonder the voters are rejecting the democrat's inane coup plot, and as Professor Turley explained, it is the democrats in the House that are abusing their power, not Trump.

House Democrats' impeachment report accuses Trump of obstruction, other misconduct
Democrats on Tuesday publicly released a new report accusing President Donald Trump of soliciting Ukraine to interfere in the 2020 election for his benefit and obstructing the impeachment inquiry in the House of Representatives.

The 300-page report alleges a quid pro quo scheme in which Trump “conditioned official acts on a public announcement by the new Ukrainian President, Volodymyr Zelensky, of politically-motivated investigations” into former Vice President Joe Biden — a top Democratic presidential candidate — and his son Hunter.

“In pressuring President Zelensky to carry out his demand, President Trump withheld a White House meeting desperately sought by the Ukrainian President, and critical U.S. military assistance to fight Russian aggression in eastern Ukraine,” the report says.

Here's another article with the same accusation:
House Democrats conclude Trump solicited foreign interference in 2020
WASHINGTON – Three House committees investigating the potential impeachment of President Donald Trump uncovered a months-long effort "to use the powers of his office to solicit foreign interference on his behalf in the 2020 election," according to their draft report released Tuesday.

Let's take a poll....

Political dirt you idiot.

If Biden did nothing wrong, then what political dirt are they worried about?

I never said Biden was worried about anything. That's not the issue. The issue is that Trump committed a conspiracy to defraud the US from a free and fair election.

1. Please provide a link that agrees with your point, like the Federal Election Commission, because I call bullshit..

Please provide a link where Trump asked Ukraine to investigate Burisma.

 

[eagle1462010]

Trump told State Department and White House employees not to testify.
Trump told his attorney not to testify.
Trump told the Secretary of State and Secretary of Energy not to testify.
Trump refused to provide documents to the House investigation.

It's called Executive powers from 2 equal branches of Gov't............I'll tell you the same thing he told your petty little Demwits in Congress,......You want it.........GO TO COURT...........

That is not obstruction of Congress.......that is the Executive powers that he has to tell you to STUFF IT.

 

[BS Filter]

Unless he has something to hide...

Clearly the crime Trump is guilty of is investigating Democrats that have committed criminal acts.

What criminal acts did the Biden's commit? Specifically?

Because so far there is not a single bit of evidence of any crime.

Why was the son of the American VP on a Ukranian board of a power company getting paid over $50,000 a month?

 

[Andylusion]

The democrats are accusing Trump of soliciting "foreign interference" in the 2020 election by asking the Ukraine to investigate Burisma. How is investigating Burisma the same as investigating Joe Biden? I'm not seeing the connection. No wonder the voters are rejecting the democrat's inane coup plot, and as Professor Turley explained, it is the democrats in the House that are abusing their power, not Trump.

House Democrats' impeachment report accuses Trump of obstruction, other misconduct
Democrats on Tuesday publicly released a new report accusing President Donald Trump of soliciting Ukraine to interfere in the 2020 election for his benefit and obstructing the impeachment inquiry in the House of Representatives.

The 300-page report alleges a quid pro quo scheme in which Trump “conditioned official acts on a public announcement by the new Ukrainian President, Volodymyr Zelensky, of politically-motivated investigations” into former Vice President Joe Biden — a top Democratic presidential candidate — and his son Hunter.

“In pressuring President Zelensky to carry out his demand, President Trump withheld a White House meeting desperately sought by the Ukrainian President, and critical U.S. military assistance to fight Russian aggression in eastern Ukraine,” the report says.

Here's another article with the same accusation:
House Democrats conclude Trump solicited foreign interference in 2020
WASHINGTON – Three House committees investigating the potential impeachment of President Donald Trump uncovered a months-long effort "to use the powers of his office to solicit foreign interference on his behalf in the 2020 election," according to their draft report released Tuesday.

Let's take a poll....

Well that is what is interesting to me.... is that the response from this has been so vile and intense, that it really has made me wonder if Joe Biden has more connections to this whole Hunter Burisma thing, than what we knew. I didn't actually believe that to start with.... but it seemed as though the response is out of proportion to the story.

 

[Syriusly]

Trump told State Department and White House employees not to testify.
Trump told his attorney not to testify.
Trump told the Secretary of State and Secretary of Energy not to testify.
Trump refused to provide documents to the House investigation.

It's called Executive powers from 2 equal branches of Gov't............I'll tell you the same thing he told your petty little Demwits in Congress,......You want it.........GO TO COURT...........

That is not obstruction of Congress.......that is the Executive powers that he has to tell you to STUFF IT.

Way to miss the point completely.

I was responding to the Trumpkin who claimed that Biden should be happy to be investigated if he has nothing to hide.

So should Trump.

Instead, Trump is afraid to let his own Chief of Staff testify before Congress.

I guess he can't be certain that Mulvaney will lie to protect his boss.