Hows that Sanctuary State worken for ya California?

[danielpalos]

Yes, like live in poverty because blue-collar jobs no longer pay anything more than minimum wage. You have this rose colored glasses look on these foreigners while ignoring all the negatives they bring to this country with them. This is our country, not the worlds country. If the rest of the world wants to live as good as we do in the US, let them fix their country instead of leaving it to to hell and come here.

Spoken like a true entitled spoiled brat. Have you spent any time traveling the world? Done any charity work? Seen how people live in third world countries first hand? Your comments sound like they are coming from a place of ignorance and selfishness. That’s not how I like to think.

Of course you don’t. You like to think since we have it so good, we are obligated to share our country with the rest of the world.


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You know it wouldn't be so bad if they at least appreciated it. Indeed they come here with preprogrammed hatred and a determination to hurt as many Americans as they possibly can.

Jo

According to Fox News and Rush etc and no one else, super duper. All they want to do is work and raise families...the ones who are here and keep their noses clean are not going to be thrown out no matter what racist brainwashed GOP voters and base thank. Pass a national ID card and strict enforcement and end this stupid BS once and for all.

I'm fine with national ID.... Fine with clean noses too. Not fine with cop killers, pedophiles or murderers though....got enough of those already. I have said on many occaisions ... Get rid of payroll tax and go over to consumption based tax collected at the cash register and you will eliminate the whole idea of illegal immigration....suddenly everyone will be legal.

Jo

Capitalism; What is That, Sayeth the Right Wing.

 

[Papageorgio]

I know, you like it when cops are killed. Congrats, you win one.

red herrings from the right wing; y'all care about natural rights even less. i don't take y'all seriously in abortion threads anymore.

If nuts like you don't take me seriously, then why do you respond, sounds to me like you are lying in that regard.

the right wing wants to mine the border. how serous can you be.

What does that have to do with you lying about taking someone seriously?

natural rights; you either believe in them or you don't.

That has nothing to do with what you said previously, it looks like you are just trolling along again.

 

[justoffal]

red herrings from the right wing; y'all care about natural rights even less. i don't take y'all seriously in abortion threads anymore.

If nuts like you don't take me seriously, then why do you respond, sounds to me like you are lying in that regard.

the right wing wants to mine the border. how serous can you be.

What does that have to do with you lying about taking someone seriously?

natural rights; you either believe in them or you don't.

That has nothing to do with what you said previously, it looks like you are just trolling along again.

The demonstrably insane and unsolvable paradox facing the left wing is how they can claim to be champions of individual rights
while simultaneously basing their entire
motive force on the platform of removing those very same rights. I guess it's just a matter of who benefits with them lending even greater Credence to the accusation that they are all about identity politics. Just about as shallow as you can get.

Jo

 

[francoHFW]

Yes, like live in poverty because blue-collar jobs no longer pay anything more than minimum wage. You have this rose colored glasses look on these foreigners while ignoring all the negatives they bring to this country with them. This is our country, not the worlds country. If the rest of the world wants to live as good as we do in the US, let them fix their country instead of leaving it to to hell and come here.

Spoken like a true entitled spoiled brat. Have you spent any time traveling the world? Done any charity work? Seen how people live in third world countries first hand? Your comments sound like they are coming from a place of ignorance and selfishness. That’s not how I like to think.

Of course you don’t. You like to think since we have it so good, we are obligated to share our country with the rest of the world.


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You know it wouldn't be so bad if they at least appreciated it. Indeed they come here with preprogrammed hatred and a determination to hurt as many Americans as they possibly can.

Jo

According to Fox News and Rush etc and no one else, super duper. All they want to do is work and raise families...the ones who are here and keep their noses clean are not going to be thrown out no matter what racist brainwashed GOP voters and base thank. Pass a national ID card and strict enforcement and end this stupid BS once and for all.

I'm fine with national ID.... Fine with clean noses too. Not fine with cop killers, pedophiles or murderers though....got enough of those already. I have said on many occaisions ... Get rid of payroll tax and go over to consumption based tax collected at the cash register and you will eliminate the whole idea of illegal immigration....suddenly everyone will be legal.

Jo

Sounds great if you want to have 500 million people living here. Another flat tax to screw the non Rich...

Illegal immigrants are less criminal than citizens. Back to taxing the rich their fair share, back to JFK top tax rate. Reagan's tax rates are killing the country. Even worse with Trump's tax cuts.

 

[Papageorgio]

Spoken like a true entitled spoiled brat. Have you spent any time traveling the world? Done any charity work? Seen how people live in third world countries first hand? Your comments sound like they are coming from a place of ignorance and selfishness. That’s not how I like to think.

Of course you don’t. You like to think since we have it so good, we are obligated to share our country with the rest of the world.


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You know it wouldn't be so bad if they at least appreciated it. Indeed they come here with preprogrammed hatred and a determination to hurt as many Americans as they possibly can.

Jo

According to Fox News and Rush etc and no one else, super duper. All they want to do is work and raise families...the ones who are here and keep their noses clean are not going to be thrown out no matter what racist brainwashed GOP voters and base thank. Pass a national ID card and strict enforcement and end this stupid BS once and for all.

I'm fine with national ID.... Fine with clean noses too. Not fine with cop killers, pedophiles or murderers though....got enough of those already. I have said on many occaisions ... Get rid of payroll tax and go over to consumption based tax collected at the cash register and you will eliminate the whole idea of illegal immigration....suddenly everyone will be legal.

Jo

Sounds great if you want to have 500 million people living here. Another flat tax to screw the non Rich...

Illegal immigrants are less criminal than citizens. Back to taxing the rich their fair share, back to JFK top tax rate. Reagan's tax rates are killing the country. Even worse with Trump's tax cuts.

All illegal immigrants are criminals, numbnuts.

Until the debt is gone we should not cut or lower taxes, we need to raise taxes and cut sending until the debt is paid. Can't get either party to be responsible when it comes to the debt.

 

[francoHFW]

Of course you don’t. You like to think since we have it so good, we are obligated to share our country with the rest of the world.


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You know it wouldn't be so bad if they at least appreciated it. Indeed they come here with preprogrammed hatred and a determination to hurt as many Americans as they possibly can.

Jo

According to Fox News and Rush etc and no one else, super duper. All they want to do is work and raise families...the ones who are here and keep their noses clean are not going to be thrown out no matter what racist brainwashed GOP voters and base thank. Pass a national ID card and strict enforcement and end this stupid BS once and for all.

I'm fine with national ID.... Fine with clean noses too. Not fine with cop killers, pedophiles or murderers though....got enough of those already. I have said on many occaisions ... Get rid of payroll tax and go over to consumption based tax collected at the cash register and you will eliminate the whole idea of illegal immigration....suddenly everyone will be legal.

Jo

Sounds great if you want to have 500 million people living here. Another flat tax to screw the non Rich...

Illegal immigrants are less criminal than citizens. Back to taxing the rich their fair share, back to JFK top tax rate. Reagan's tax rates are killing the country. Even worse with Trump's tax cuts.

All illegal immigrants are criminals, numbnuts.

Until the debt is gone we should not cut or lower taxes, we need to raise taxes and cut sending until the debt is paid. Can't get either party to be responsible when it comes to the debt.

The GOP basically invites illegals to come in and work, distract You dupes with BS about useless walls and unconstitutional harassment laws. The debt should not be allowed to grow, and Republicans should not be allowed control of our financial system, the corrupt swine. It's almost time you idiots figured that out... Reagan Trump and George W bush add to the debt in Good Times, a total scam. Obama's is totally to avert another GOP great depression and assist the victims.

 

[francoHFW]

If nuts like you don't take me seriously, then why do you respond, sounds to me like you are lying in that regard.

the right wing wants to mine the border. how serous can you be.

What does that have to do with you lying about taking someone seriously?

natural rights; you either believe in them or you don't.

That has nothing to do with what you said previously, it looks like you are just trolling along again.

The demonstrably insane and unsolvable paradox facing the left wing is how they can claim to be champions of individual rights
while simultaneously basing their entire
motive force on the platform of removing those very same rights. I guess it's just a matter of who benefits with them lending even greater Credence to the accusation that they are all about identity politics. Just about as shallow as you can get.

Jo

Removing what rights, super duper? Nothing intelligent or civilized I'm sure...

 

[danielpalos]

If nuts like you don't take me seriously, then why do you respond, sounds to me like you are lying in that regard.

the right wing wants to mine the border. how serous can you be.

What does that have to do with you lying about taking someone seriously?

natural rights; you either believe in them or you don't.

That has nothing to do with what you said previously, it looks like you are just trolling along again.

The demonstrably insane and unsolvable paradox facing the left wing is how they can claim to be champions of individual rights
while simultaneously basing their entire
motive force on the platform of removing those very same rights. I guess it's just a matter of who benefits with them lending even greater Credence to the accusation that they are all about identity politics. Just about as shallow as you can get.

Jo

some new right wing propaganda and rhetoric; pray tell.

 

[danielpalos]

Of course you don’t. You like to think since we have it so good, we are obligated to share our country with the rest of the world.


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You know it wouldn't be so bad if they at least appreciated it. Indeed they come here with preprogrammed hatred and a determination to hurt as many Americans as they possibly can.

Jo

According to Fox News and Rush etc and no one else, super duper. All they want to do is work and raise families...the ones who are here and keep their noses clean are not going to be thrown out no matter what racist brainwashed GOP voters and base thank. Pass a national ID card and strict enforcement and end this stupid BS once and for all.

I'm fine with national ID.... Fine with clean noses too. Not fine with cop killers, pedophiles or murderers though....got enough of those already. I have said on many occaisions ... Get rid of payroll tax and go over to consumption based tax collected at the cash register and you will eliminate the whole idea of illegal immigration....suddenly everyone will be legal.

Jo

Sounds great if you want to have 500 million people living here. Another flat tax to screw the non Rich...

Illegal immigrants are less criminal than citizens. Back to taxing the rich their fair share, back to JFK top tax rate. Reagan's tax rates are killing the country. Even worse with Trump's tax cuts.

All illegal immigrants are criminals, numbnuts.

Until the debt is gone we should not cut or lower taxes, we need to raise taxes and cut sending until the debt is paid. Can't get either party to be responsible when it comes to the debt.

we don't have an immigration clause it is a naturalization clause.

 

[Flash]

Maybe that asshole outgoing Democrat government of Commie Kalifornia will be a jackass like the Governor of Commie New York and pardon a bunch off Illegal murderers. You know, for social justice reasons and to spite Trump.

Democarts are the party of scumbags.

 

[basquebromance]

Nearly every Republican presidential candidate tried to con voters with these meaningless catchphrases about "border security."

Here are The Des Moines Register's summaries of some of the candidates' positions on immigration a few weeks before the 2016 Iowa caucus:

Jeb Bush: "has called for enhanced border security."

Marco Rubio: "proposes ... improved security on the border."

John Kasich: "believes border security should be strengthened."

Chris Christie: "urges ... using technology to improve border surveillance ..."

Rand Paul: "would secure the border immediately."

Carly Fiorina: "would secure the border, which she says requires only money and manpower."

They all lost.

The guy who won: "Trump has said many illegal immigrants are rapists and are bringing drugs and crime to the United States. He has called for building a wall along the southern border, and has said he would make Mexico pay for it. He said he would immediately terminate President Barack Obama's 'illegal executive order on immigration. Trump got more votes than any other Republican in the history of presidential primaries. No one was falling for "border security" then, and they aren't now. '"

 

[Papageorgio]

You know it wouldn't be so bad if they at least appreciated it. Indeed they come here with preprogrammed hatred and a determination to hurt as many Americans as they possibly can.

Jo

According to Fox News and Rush etc and no one else, super duper. All they want to do is work and raise families...the ones who are here and keep their noses clean are not going to be thrown out no matter what racist brainwashed GOP voters and base thank. Pass a national ID card and strict enforcement and end this stupid BS once and for all.

I'm fine with national ID.... Fine with clean noses too. Not fine with cop killers, pedophiles or murderers though....got enough of those already. I have said on many occaisions ... Get rid of payroll tax and go over to consumption based tax collected at the cash register and you will eliminate the whole idea of illegal immigration....suddenly everyone will be legal.

Jo

Sounds great if you want to have 500 million people living here. Another flat tax to screw the non Rich...

Illegal immigrants are less criminal than citizens. Back to taxing the rich their fair share, back to JFK top tax rate. Reagan's tax rates are killing the country. Even worse with Trump's tax cuts.

All illegal immigrants are criminals, numbnuts.

Until the debt is gone we should not cut or lower taxes, we need to raise taxes and cut sending until the debt is paid. Can't get either party to be responsible when it comes to the debt.

The GOP basically invites illegals to come in and work, distract You dupes with BS about useless walls and unconstitutional harassment laws. The debt should not be allowed to grow, and Republicans should not be allowed control of our financial system, the corrupt swine. It's almost time you idiots figured that out... Reagan Trump and George W bush add to the debt in Good Times, a total scam. Obama's is totally to avert another GOP great depression and assist the victims.

It's not just the GOP it is both, I don't care if a wall is built, however I know you have to believe your stupid BS.

If you feel the debt should be allowed to grow then why any taxes at all?

 

[Papageorgio]

You know it wouldn't be so bad if they at least appreciated it. Indeed they come here with preprogrammed hatred and a determination to hurt as many Americans as they possibly can.

Jo

According to Fox News and Rush etc and no one else, super duper. All they want to do is work and raise families...the ones who are here and keep their noses clean are not going to be thrown out no matter what racist brainwashed GOP voters and base thank. Pass a national ID card and strict enforcement and end this stupid BS once and for all.

I'm fine with national ID.... Fine with clean noses too. Not fine with cop killers, pedophiles or murderers though....got enough of those already. I have said on many occaisions ... Get rid of payroll tax and go over to consumption based tax collected at the cash register and you will eliminate the whole idea of illegal immigration....suddenly everyone will be legal.

Jo

Sounds great if you want to have 500 million people living here. Another flat tax to screw the non Rich...

Illegal immigrants are less criminal than citizens. Back to taxing the rich their fair share, back to JFK top tax rate. Reagan's tax rates are killing the country. Even worse with Trump's tax cuts.

All illegal immigrants are criminals, numbnuts.

Until the debt is gone we should not cut or lower taxes, we need to raise taxes and cut sending until the debt is paid. Can't get either party to be responsible when it comes to the debt.

we don't have an immigration clause it is a naturalization clause.

You are a moron, no clause needed.

 

[justoffal]

Of course you don’t. You like to think since we have it so good, we are obligated to share our country with the rest of the world.


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You know it wouldn't be so bad if they at least appreciated it. Indeed they come here with preprogrammed hatred and a determination to hurt as many Americans as they possibly can.

Jo

According to Fox News and Rush etc and no one else, super duper. All they want to do is work and raise families...the ones who are here and keep their noses clean are not going to be thrown out no matter what racist brainwashed GOP voters and base thank. Pass a national ID card and strict enforcement and end this stupid BS once and for all.

I'm fine with national ID.... Fine with clean noses too. Not fine with cop killers, pedophiles or murderers though....got enough of those already. I have said on many occaisions ... Get rid of payroll tax and go over to consumption based tax collected at the cash register and you will eliminate the whole idea of illegal immigration....suddenly everyone will be legal.

Jo

Sounds great if you want to have 500 million people living here. Another flat tax to screw the non Rich...

Illegal immigrants are less criminal than citizens. Back to taxing the rich their fair share, back to JFK top tax rate. Reagan's tax rates are killing the country. Even worse with Trump's tax cuts.

All illegal immigrants are criminals, numbnuts.

Until the debt is gone we should not cut or lower taxes, we need to raise taxes and cut sending until the debt is paid. Can't get either party to be responsible when it comes to the debt.

Can't say you're wrong but I don't think we will get there with payroll tax since it only hits about half the population and of that half only the top 20 % pay in anything that matters. Need a broader spectrum.

Jo

 

[justoffal]

I don’t think 2 billlion people would all apply at once but if they did then we would do what we can to process and accommodate as many as we can as quickly as we can. If a smart system is set up to process people then anything is possible. People coming with means looking to start businesses or retire would be easy ins. Same with people with family members or friends who would be willing to sponsor them. People looking for work can be admitted in numbers related to our unemployment rate so we aren’t making it impossible for our citizens to get work. There are a lot of things that we can do.

Yes, like live in poverty because blue-collar jobs no longer pay anything more than minimum wage. You have this rose colored glasses look on these foreigners while ignoring all the negatives they bring to this country with them. This is our country, not the worlds country. If the rest of the world wants to live as good as we do in the US, let them fix their country instead of leaving it to to hell and come here.

Spoken like a true entitled spoiled brat. Have you spent any time traveling the world? Done any charity work? Seen how people live in third world countries first hand? Your comments sound like they are coming from a place of ignorance and selfishness. That’s not how I like to think.

Of course you don’t. You like to think since we have it so good, we are obligated to share our country with the rest of the world.


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You know it wouldn't be so bad if they at least appreciated it. Indeed they come here with preprogrammed hatred and a determination to hurt as many Americans as they possibly can.

Jo

According to Fox News and Rush etc and no one else, super duper. All they want to do is work and raise families...the ones who are here and keep their noses clean are not going to be thrown out no matter what racist brainwashed GOP voters and base thank. Pass a national ID card and strict enforcement and end this stupid BS once and for all.

Bullshit.... You obviously don't listen to Rush very closely.

 

[justoffal]

Spoken like a true entitled spoiled brat. Have you spent any time traveling the world? Done any charity work? Seen how people live in third world countries first hand? Your comments sound like they are coming from a place of ignorance and selfishness. That’s not how I like to think.

Of course you don’t. You like to think since we have it so good, we are obligated to share our country with the rest of the world.


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You know it wouldn't be so bad if they at least appreciated it. Indeed they come here with preprogrammed hatred and a determination to hurt as many Americans as they possibly can.

Jo

According to Fox News and Rush etc and no one else, super duper. All they want to do is work and raise families...the ones who are here and keep their noses clean are not going to be thrown out no matter what racist brainwashed GOP voters and base thank. Pass a national ID card and strict enforcement and end this stupid BS once and for all.

I'm fine with national ID.... Fine with clean noses too. Not fine with cop killers, pedophiles or murderers though....got enough of those already. I have said on many occaisions ... Get rid of payroll tax and go over to consumption based tax collected at the cash register and you will eliminate the whole idea of illegal immigration....suddenly everyone will be legal.

Jo

Sounds great if you want to have 500 million people living here. Another flat tax to screw the non Rich...

Illegal immigrants are less criminal than citizens. Back to taxing the rich their fair share, back to JFK top tax rate. Reagan's tax rates are killing the country. Even worse with Trump's tax cuts.

Don't quit your day job ... Marxism will never get you a balanced budget just ask Joe Stalin.

Your total obsession with taxing the rich and making them pay their fair share is a complete and utter false Dream. It does tell me something about your income bracket though. Truth is under the current system there's no way to estimate just how much the rich do support the rest of the country. I can tell you this... You will never get them to pay any more than they are already paying. Do you think the former 90% taxation system went away all by itself? The people that put it to sleep are still here or at least their descendants are. You might be surprised that there's some of your favorite Democratic heroes.

Consumption taxation is the only way under a system like that we could fit 700 million people the more the merrier.

Jo

 

[Ray From Cleveland]

It is the state of California’s fault that this lunatic is there in the first place.

That’s like saying it’s the gun manufactures fault or a gun stores fault for a mass shooter having a gun and killing people. Idiot logic

Gun manufacturers never invited criminals to use their products. California makes it easy for criminals to harbor there by being a sanctuary state. This cop killer was deported before and arrested on DUI"s before. California law prohibits law enforcement from contacting ICE where they could have gotten rid of this guy before he killed that police officer, so your comparison is way off.

Look right there... you said him manufactirers never invited criminals to use their products. Ok well California’s never invited a killer to shoot a cop. It’s a dumb arguement to make.

California still arrays and jails people for committing crimes. They have decided to not be in the deportation business. That’s an enforcement decision not an invitation.

Oh yes, it is an invitation. Come to our state and commit crimes, and you won’t be deported like in other states. You don’t think that’s an invitation?


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No I don’t. Crimes are still punished are they not? Just because deportation isn’t the punishment that doesn’t mean there are no consequences

So if an illegal is going to commit a crime, and he has two cities next to each other to choose from, one is sanctuary and one is not, which one do you suppose he'd choose if he's going to steal a woman's purse?

 

[Ray From Cleveland]

Yeah, about two billion people. Then what?

I don’t think 2 billlion people would all apply at once but if they did then we would do what we can to process and accommodate as many as we can as quickly as we can. If a smart system is set up to process people then anything is possible. People coming with means looking to start businesses or retire would be easy ins. Same with people with family members or friends who would be willing to sponsor them. People looking for work can be admitted in numbers related to our unemployment rate so we aren’t making it impossible for our citizens to get work. There are a lot of things that we can do.

Yes, like live in poverty because blue-collar jobs no longer pay anything more than minimum wage. You have this rose colored glasses look on these foreigners while ignoring all the negatives they bring to this country with them. This is our country, not the worlds country. If the rest of the world wants to live as good as we do in the US, let them fix their country instead of leaving it to to hell and come here.

Spoken like a true entitled spoiled brat. Have you spent any time traveling the world? Done any charity work? Seen how people live in third world countries first hand? Your comments sound like they are coming from a place of ignorance and selfishness. That’s not how I like to think.

Of course you don’t. You like to think since we have it so good, we are obligated to share our country with the rest of the world.


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I was raised with values to give back to society and especially the less fortunate. I don’t categorize that based on nationality or anything else. Our nation has also reflected those values for generations and we have become world leaders. I advocate keeping and growing those values not retreating into the selfish nationalist blackhole that you advocate for.

Giving away what others have worked for or forcing them to sacrifice is not charity, it's theft.

You want to help these people? Fly to Guatemala and help them. Don't bring them here.

 

[Ray From Cleveland]

NEGATIVE
That’s pathetic, desperate and far reaching foolishness...There is no comparison there...the framers of our great Constitution gave us the right to bear arms thus creating a demand for gun makers to supply....Our founders never gave wetbacks a right to be here...Against the will of the people, the treasonous, nutless unAmerican pieces of shits in Mexifornia did however.
(this is an opportunity for you to use logic and show you can be reasonable....this is where you say “fuck, you’re right.”)

Ok buddy so when I have opposing views and want to modify our laws I’m unpatriotic and against law and our constitution but when you say you want to tweak the laws it’s all good. Have a little more awareness of your critiques and hypocrisy.

There really isn't anything wrong with our laws with the exceptions they are not stringent enough and not enforced very heavily.

We let in more people than anywhere on the earth to take advantage of what we offer our citizens.
We allow more foreigners to become citizens of this country than any other in the world.
We NEED to limit the amount of people so they don't ruin our economy, change our way of life, and time to assimilate if they are permanently residing here.

We don't need to be anymore gracious than we already are.

That’s your opinion. I think we need serious reform

And serious reform means letting more of them in causing more problems.


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Not necessarily. It means fixing the system though so we can handle and process more if we decide to let more in. There are many areas that need reform

By "if we decide to let more in" you mean if Democrats get control and want to buy votes.

We don't need to let more in. We let way too many in already.

 

[francoHFW]

Yes, like live in poverty because blue-collar jobs no longer pay anything more than minimum wage. You have this rose colored glasses look on these foreigners while ignoring all the negatives they bring to this country with them. This is our country, not the worlds country. If the rest of the world wants to live as good as we do in the US, let them fix their country instead of leaving it to to hell and come here.

Spoken like a true entitled spoiled brat. Have you spent any time traveling the world? Done any charity work? Seen how people live in third world countries first hand? Your comments sound like they are coming from a place of ignorance and selfishness. That’s not how I like to think.

Of course you don’t. You like to think since we have it so good, we are obligated to share our country with the rest of the world.


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You know it wouldn't be so bad if they at least appreciated it. Indeed they come here with preprogrammed hatred and a determination to hurt as many Americans as they possibly can.

Jo

According to Fox News and Rush etc and no one else, super duper. All they want to do is work and raise families...the ones who are here and keep their noses clean are not going to be thrown out no matter what racist brainwashed GOP voters and base thank. Pass a national ID card and strict enforcement and end this stupid BS once and for all.

Bullshit.... You obviously don't listen to Rush very closely.

How so?