"I Had an Abortion"

[Noomi]

You have a civil liberty to kill someone what f****** country do you live in ?

A fetus is not a 'someone'.

Even at 8 months and 15 days

Not until it is born and has taken a breath.

 

[Vox]

Fetal homicide laws have never applied to abortion.

Try again.

Not yet.

they will be.

black people were considered property at some point of time as well.

so - try again

Slaves have nothing to do with abortion.

Oh wait, yes they do - you lot want to make women into slaves.

slaves were not considered human and people and persons by law, although unborn babies ARE considered human and persons in some cases of the law - so extension it to all cases will be much easier.

 

[Neotrotsky]

Fetal homicide laws have never applied to abortion.

Try again.

Not yet.

they will be.

black people were considered property at some point of time as well.

so - try again

Slaves have nothing to do with abortion.

Oh wait, yes they do - you lot want to make women into slaves.

Well the descendants of slaves have something to do with abortion

 

[thanatos144]

Fetal homicide laws have never applied to abortion.

Try again.

Not yet.

they will be.

black people were considered property at some point of time as well.

so - try again

Slaves have nothing to do with abortion.

Oh wait, yes they do - you lot want to make women into slaves.

The only people doing that two women are you and your kind

 

[thanatos144]

A fetus is not a 'someone'.

a human being or a baby inside the woman's body is a legal person and one can be prosecuted for killing that baby, even if they did not killed the mother - as Ariel castro was.

so that baby is not "someone" - she is a defined person

PROVE a fetus is a legal person then!!!

I am still waiting!

You already did that

 

[C_Clayton_Jones]

somebody being born or not being born does not change anything - a baby inside woman's body is as human a person as is that woman.

No it isn't.

yes she is - a baby inside the woman's body is as human as is that woman.

and a person.

In your personal, subjective opinion, not as a fact of law.

Consequently, the courts have wisely left that determination to each individual to make in accordance with one’s own good conscience, free from interference by the state.

This is also a fundamental tenet of traditional conservative political dogma – that the individual knows best, as opposed to government; if the government mustn’t dictate to individuals whether they should have healthcare or not, or whether or not one may own a certain type of firearm, so too is the government ill-equipped to dictate to a citizen whether or not she may bear a child.

The inconsistency of the social right is the bane of traditional conservatism.

 

[Neotrotsky]

A fetus is not a 'someone'.

Even at 8 months and 15 days

Not until it is born and has taken a breath.

So at 8 months 29 days 23 hours and 59 minutes
if a women wants abortion for no medical reason to herself
or the "fetus" - that is ok with you

 

[Vox]

A fetus is not a 'someone'.

Even at 8 months and 15 days

Not until it is born and has taken a breath.

since the baby is conceived - she is a person by law.

if you attempt to induce an abortion even at few weeks of gestational age - you will face criminal charges - and rightfully so:

Baby Dies After Man Allegedly Tricks Girlfriend Into Taking an Abortion Pill | Video | TheBlaze.com

Welden could face life behind bars without parole if he is found guilty of murder under the “Protection of Unborn Children Act,” a federal statute.

here you go - a federal LAW

 

[Vox]

Even at 8 months and 15 days

Not until it is born and has taken a breath.

So at 8 months 29 days 23 hours and 59 minutes
if a women wants abortion for no medical reason to herself
or the "fetus" - that is ok with you

look, this abortion nazi vagina would murder babies in the fifth trimester , so talking reason to her is useless

 

[Neotrotsky]

A fetus is not a 'someone'.

a human being or a baby inside the woman's body is a legal person and one can be prosecuted for killing that baby, even if they did not killed the mother - as Ariel castro was.

so that baby is not "someone" - she is a defined person

PROVE a fetus is a legal person then!!!

I am still waiting!

November 12, 2004 - Peterson is found guilty of 1st degree murder for Laci's death and 2nd degree murder for son Conner's death.

She was still pregnant with Conner at the time of her murder

 

[Noomi]

a human being or a baby inside the woman's body is a legal person and one can be prosecuted for killing that baby, even if they did not killed the mother - as Ariel castro was.

so that baby is not "someone" - she is a defined person

PROVE a fetus is a legal person then!!!

I am still waiting!

You already did that

No, you didn't. You brought up fetal homicide laws, which don't apply to abortion.

 

[Noomi]

a human being or a baby inside the woman's body is a legal person and one can be prosecuted for killing that baby, even if they did not killed the mother - as Ariel castro was.

so that baby is not "someone" - she is a defined person

PROVE a fetus is a legal person then!!!

I am still waiting!

November 12, 2004 - Peterson is found guilty of 1st degree murder for Laci's death and 2nd degree murder for son Conner's death.

She was still pregnant with Conner at the time of her murder

Fetal homicide laws do not apply to abortion.

Try again.

 

[Noomi]

Even at 8 months and 15 days

Not until it is born and has taken a breath.

So at 8 months 29 days 23 hours and 59 minutes
if a women wants abortion for no medical reason to herself
or the "fetus" - that is ok with you

No woman would ever have an abortion that late. Stop pretending they do.

 

[Noomi]

Even at 8 months and 15 days

Not until it is born and has taken a breath.

since the baby is conceived - she is a person by law.

if you attempt to induce an abortion even at few weeks of gestational age - you will face criminal charges - and rightfully so:

Baby Dies After Man Allegedly Tricks Girlfriend Into Taking an Abortion Pill | Video | TheBlaze.com

Welden could face life behind bars without parole if he is found guilty of murder under the “Protection of Unborn Children Act,” a federal statute.

here you go - a federal LAW

He is in trouble because he caused an abortion without his girlfriends permission. That's assault, and bodily harm. It isn't murder, because no one was murdered.

 

[C_Clayton_Jones]

You can't show me a law, can you?

He cannot.

As no such law exists.

yes, it does. the one which Lacy petersen husband was charged with

Wrong.

You confuse civil law (substantive due process) concerning privacy rights, with criminal law (procedural due process) concerning murder – they are not the same.

 

[Neotrotsky]

PROVE a fetus is a legal person then!!!

I am still waiting!

November 12, 2004 - Peterson is found guilty of 1st degree murder for Laci's death and 2nd degree murder for son Conner's death.

She was still pregnant with Conner at the time of her murder

Fetal homicide laws do not apply to abortion.

Try again.

Your questions states
Prove a fetus is a legal person

In Conner's case, a fetus, they were a legal person
I answered the question

 

[Noomi]

Lifers are so stupid sometimes. The intelligent ones appear to have left this thread.

 

[Noomi]

November 12, 2004 - Peterson is found guilty of 1st degree murder for Laci's death and 2nd degree murder for son Conner's death.

She was still pregnant with Conner at the time of her murder

Fetal homicide laws do not apply to abortion.

Try again.

Your questions states
Prove a fetus is a legal person

In Conner's case, a fetus, they were a legal person
I answered the question

We are talking about all fetus's, not just one fetus.

 

[Neotrotsky]

Fetal homicide laws do not apply to abortion.

Try again.

Your questions states
Prove a fetus is a legal person

In Conner's case, a fetus, they were a legal person
I answered the question

We are talking about all fetus's, not just one fetus.

The point is that law does allow at times
for fetuses to be considered, legally, people.

 

[Vox]

No it isn't.

yes she is - a baby inside the woman's body is as human as is that woman.

and a person.

In your personal, subjective opinion, not as a fact of law.

Consequently, the courts have wisely left that determination to each individual to make in accordance with one’s own good conscience, free from interference by the state.

This is also a fundamental tenet of traditional conservative political dogma – that the individual knows best, as opposed to government; if the government mustn’t dictate to individuals whether they should have healthcare or not, or whether or not one may own a certain type of firearm, so too is the government ill-equipped to dictate to a citizen whether or not she may bear a child.

The inconsistency of the social right is the bane of traditional conservatism.

it is the law. there is even the federal statute which I just posted in the previous post.'

all it take is change the angle of the discussion in the abortion - from idiotic "privacy" which has nothing to do with privacy to the reality of murder.

If there are already the laws which protect the unborn children - that task is even easier.

and it will be achieved.
in time. it is inevitable.

It would be even faster eliminated from the other end - when rvw passed in 1973 the vast majority of the abortions was performed by physicians - and today very small amount of physicians are willing to do it or provide any additional care for it - so are nurses and techs.
People know that they participate in the murder - unlike the stupid brainwashed public - they see what they are doing.
It is already an unspoken truth that the self-respecting doctors won't do it.
you can go through 4 year residency in OB/GYN and never perform it - and this is GOOD.

It will take time. But it will be recognized as it is - a murder of an innocent baby.